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Bible Discussion : Galatians 3
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From: MSN Nicknamedesi56111  (Original Message)Sent: 5/1/2007 3:04 AM
Ga 3:1  Foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you not to obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was openly set forth among you as crucified?
Ga 3:2  I just want to learn this from you. Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by hearing of faith?
Ga 3:3  Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now completed in the flesh?
Ga 3:4  Did you suffer so many things in vain, if it is indeed in vain?
Ga 3:5  He therefore that supplies the Spirit to you, and works miracles among you, does he do it by the works of the law, or by hearing of faith?
Ga 3:6  Even as Abraham "believed God, and it was counted to him for righteousness."
Ga 3:7  Know therefore that those who are of faith, the same are sons of Abraham.
Ga 3:8  The scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "In you will all the nations be blessed."
Ga 3:9  So then, those who are of faith are blessed with the faithful Abraham.
Ga 3:10  For as many as are of the works of the law are under a curse. For it is written, "Cursed is everyone who doesn`t continue in all things that are written in the book of the law, to do them."
Ga 3:11  Now that no man is justified by the law before God is evident, for, "The righteous will live by faith."
Ga 3:12  The law is not of faith, but, "He that does them will live in them."
Ga 3:13  Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us. For it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree,"
Ga 3:14  that the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Christ Jesus; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Ga 3:15  Brothers, I speak like men. Though it is only a man`s covenant, yet when it has been confirmed, no one makes it void, or adds to it.
Ga 3:16  Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He doesn`t say, "To seeds," as of many, but as of one, "To your seed," which is Christ.
Ga 3:17  Now I say this. A covenant confirmed beforehand by God in Christ, the law, which came four hundred and thirty years after, does not annul, so as to make the promise of no effect.
Ga 3:18  For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no more of promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by promise.
Ga 3:19  What then is the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the seed should come to whom the promise has been made. It was ordained through angels by the hand of a mediator.
Ga 3:20  Now a mediator is not between one, but God is one.
Ga 3:21  Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could make alive, most assuredly righteousness would have been of the law.
Ga 3:22  But the scriptures shut up all things under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
Ga 3:23  But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, shut up to the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Ga 3:24  So that the law has become our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Ga 3:25  But now that faith is come, we are no longer under a tutor.
Ga 3:26  For you are all sons of God, through faith in Christ Jesus.
Ga 3:27  For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Ga 3:28  There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Ga 3:29  If you are Christ`s, then you are Abraham`s seed, heirs according to promise.


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 Message 83 of 97 in Discussion 
From: maeSent: 9/15/2007 4:01 AM
I forgot to say, Desi, in my last post, that I really am interested in what people here believe the 'blessing of Abraham' refers to. It seems important, in our study of the book of Galatians, since it is referred to so explicitly  in verse 14. 
Thanks, Shelter, for your contribution.
So do you have an opinion, Desi, as to what this might be?  I'm actually more interested in what you might think it is, rather than what it isn't.
Mae

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 Message 84 of 97 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nicknamedesi56111Sent: 9/16/2007 3:55 AM
sorry mae, if i was confussing i was responding to the question of "Where else would one look for the definition? " with "you'd be suprised" , with the various sources of "extra blibical" authority, that many hold such commentaries as 'insipred' works.
 
but my suggestion of the "blessing of Abraham" i would reference the following texts:
 
Acts 3:25 "Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed."
 
rom 4:9 "Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness."...(11) And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: (12) And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. (13) For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
 
gal 3:8-9 "And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
 
 
 

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 Message 85 of 97 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameShelter4u2Sent: 9/19/2007 11:28 AM
Thank-you Mae!
Desi wrote...
sorry mae, if i was confussing i was responding to the question of "Where else would one look for the definition? " with "you'd be suprised" , with the various sources of "extra blibical" authority, that many hold such commentaries as 'insipred' works.

Are you mocking my Clear Word Bible there Desi ?
I thought it gave a clear description and help to the study here in Galations.
The idea that we cannot learn or God cannot speak through anything but the Bible is not biblical. God still speaks through people. But that dosen't mean we should measure the Bible by what they are saying. On the contrary,we must measure what they are saying by the Bible. When I delve into the "Clear Word" I always have my KJV and other Bible's around for comparison...even to what you or anyone else are saying.
For the record...my Clear Bible is not inspired works as you call it..God forbid!..and sometimes extra biblical authority wouldn't hurt anyone....it's what we all need at times!

God bless.....


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 Message 86 of 97 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nicknamedesi56111Sent: 9/20/2007 3:38 AM
no shelter i was not "mocking" your Clear word bible, some examples  of "extra blibical authorities" could be considered the Aprophaca for the Roman Catholics, the Quran for the Muslims, the Book of MOrmon (pearl of great price, doctrine and covenents, and journal of discourses) for the LDS churches Gnostic gospels records for the new agers, ect.
 
I want 'mocking or making fun" of your clear word bible. i assume that is a study bible that you use, that has commentaries in it, and thats fine. But i dont know if thats what it is or not, cause i dont have one. I have/use study bible that have commentaries in them, but consider the "comments" for what they are. They can offer some insight in a view not considered before, and most have interesting notes,a nd cross references for ease of usage.
 
But when I say "youd be suprised where some extra blibical sources come from" its to the extent of using man's ideas *(non-inspired by God) and holding them to the level as scripture itself.
There is a thread concerning the SDA 'prophetess' writings as being 'inspired' or 'commentary' elsewheres, but being in an SDA site i have to understand that the SDA position concerning her writings, and the position of "IF" the canon is actually closed concerning such items of "Extra- blibical authorities." *(as above)
 
On most of the list above both the SDA and non-SDA would agree on the "non-authoritive" usage of such texts for bearing on any blibical topic.
Its like asking did God create everything in 6 days? and someone answer that the "quran says, ....." Obviouslty we both would reject the input from the "extra blibical authority" but if someone says "the bible says..., but this is what i think" the creditability is taken as such, from each of the 2 sources.

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 Message 87 of 97 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameShelter4u2Sent: 9/20/2007 11:54 AM
Phew!!! I can relax now! No mocking! Thanks bro Desi!

The Clear Word is paraphrased by Jack J.Blanco who is chair of the Religion Department of Southern Adventist University, near Chattanooga,Tennessee.He began writing this paraphrase by hand because he sought a deeper devotional experience.
Awesome!!
How far are we in Galations now?

Carry on bro Desi...You are doing well !!

Enjoy reading Mae's contribution also!

God bless....

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 Message 88 of 97 in Discussion 
From: love-n-graceSent: 9/21/2007 6:15 AM
Hi shelter
  I have some issues with the "clear word" and would be happy to talk about it  seeing as you seem very passionate about it. I Dont want to make it an issue here and interupt this thread, but" paraphrases verses real translations "might be a good new thread .
  God bless
  Love-n-Grace

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 Message 89 of 97 in Discussion 
From: love-n-graceSent: 9/21/2007 6:22 AM
OH I might add regarding my last post , a seemingly unrelated question.  Why do most contests ,Beauty contest, American idol, fall fairs, whatever type,of contest,  seem to use a panel of judges, rather than  only one judge?
 Love-n-Grace

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 Message 90 of 97 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nicknamedesi56111Sent: 9/22/2007 4:17 AM
(wo)men are corruptable , God is not.

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 Message 91 of 97 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameShelter4u2Sent: 9/22/2007 9:59 AM
Oh I don't feel the need love-n-grace for raising issues over "The Clear Word."
I always prefer my KJV and generally check out many other Bible translations to get an overall view if unsure of the meaning of any difficult texts. But with the help of the Holy Spirit one can discern what is counterfeit or not.

Isaiah 8:20 tells us..If they speak not according to this Word..there is no light in them.

Thus far Jack.J Blanco speaks according to His Word.

Can we please get back into Galatians...thank-you!

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 Message 92 of 97 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameShelter4u2Sent: 9/22/2007 10:06 AM
Appreciate your concern there love-n-grace....but hey I am aware of the dangers of Paraphrases.eg. The Living Bible for instance,isn't really a paraphrase---it's dangerous when you start calling the mark of the beast a tattoo.

Overall I prefer my KJV or NKJV.

So you can see I am well aware of the dangers...but once again thank-you.

God bless....

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 Message 93 of 97 in Discussion 
From: love-n-graceSent: 9/22/2007 7:00 PM

HI Shelter, you said:

“Oh I don't feel the need love-n-grace for raising issues over "The Clear Word."

Isaiah 8:20 tells us..If they speak not according to this Word..there is no light in them.

Thus far Jack.J Blanco speaks according to His Word.
But with the help of the Holy Spirit one can discern what is counterfeit or not.�?

I agree that the Holy Spirit will show us counterfeit, if we remain humbly open to Him. I can only assume that you have just begun reading the “clear word�? As you continue to compare it to a real Bible, the many errors will pop right up. Just continue to trust the Holy Spirit. You may feel the need to raise issues about the errors when you begin to find them.

Yes, let’s get back to Galatians. Any more discussion on the ‘clear word�?should be in a new thread.

God bless !

Love-n-Grace


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From: MSN Nicknamebluej_x_Sent: 9/22/2007 8:05 PM

Ga 3:15 Brothers, I speak like men. Though it is only a man`s covenant, yet when it has been confirmed, no one makes it void, or adds to it.

Ga 3:16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He doesn`t say, "To seeds," as of many, but as of one, "To your seed," which is Christ.

Ga 3:17 Now I say this. A covenant confirmed beforehand by God in Christ, the law, which came four hundred and thirty years after, does not annul, so as to make the promise of no effect.

Ga 3:18 For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no more of promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by promise.

Ga 3:19 What then is the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the seed should come to whom the promise has been made. It was ordained through angels by the hand of a mediator.

Verse 15:

Covenants, according to Paul, are stable once made. No modifications can be made to them nor can they be annulled.

Verse 16:

According to Paul, the particular promises spoken to Abraham were exclusive to Abraham and to his seed, singular, Jesus Christ.

Verse 17:

Paul is connecting the particular promises to a particular covenant.

That covenant was confirmed beforehand in Jesus, and was made 430 years before the "law" was given, the law has no effect on that covenant one way or another. That covenant remains in effect independent of the "law" that was given 430 years later.

There are two places where God mentions the word covenant to Abraham, Gen 15 and Gen 17. But there are many promises that God made to Abram/Abraham. The first one was in Gen 12:7, "Unto thy seed will I give this land:"

In Gen 15 God’s promises that Abram would have an heir from his own flesh and that His descendants would be as the stars of heaven for multitude. Abram believed and was declared righteous for believing, verses 1-6 (technically a covenant only because God covenants Himself in all His promises), and the covenant to deliver the Promised Land from Egypt to the Euphrates (essentially the same as the promise made in Gen 12:7) to Abram’s descendants after being afflicted 400 years in a land in which they would be strangers, see Gen 15:18.

Gen 17 speaks of another covenant God makes with Abram. God then says Abram would be the father of many nations and changes his name to Abraham. In this chapter God mentions that He would make His covenant with Abraham and his seed after him for an everlasting covenant again mentioning the land (essentially a repetition of the promise in Gen 12:7 and Gen 13:15, etc.) and establishes circumcision as Abraham’s and his descendants part of that covenant. God then changes Sarai’s name to Sarah and promises that she would be the one to give Abram the promised son.

Later God makes another promise to Abraham after nearly offering Isaac in sacrifice.

Ge 22:15 - ¶ And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time,

Ge 22:16 - And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:

Ge 22:17 - That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;

Ge 22:18 - And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

This is a reiteration of previous promises that we all can rejoice in since we, non ethnic Jews, are included in these promises. In fact, in what is literally referred to as a covenant, there are only a few promises that are mentioned; inheritance of the land, the multitude of Abrahams descendents, and Abraham becoming the father of many nations, and the blessing of all the nations of the earth through his seed.

So which covenant was Paul talking about? What is the inheritance Paul was talking about?

Our clue:

Ro 4:13 - For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Is it the one that Abraham believed and was declared righteous for believing?

Ge 15:4 - And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.

Ge 15:5 - And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.

Ge 15:6 - And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

Well, it seems that this is not speaking specifically of the one seed except in the promise of having a son out of his own flesh. I should say though that the promise of the multitude of descendents is certainly part of the promises and covenants Paul is referring to.

I personally think we should understand that all the promises made to Abraham are involved in the covenants Paul is referring to; inheritance of the land, the multitude of Abraham’s descendents, and Abraham becoming the father of many nations, and the blessing of all the nations of the earth through his seed.

Verse 18:

Verse 18 helps us to see that the reference in Paul’s thought is concerning the inheritance which Paul, in Rom 4:13, interestingly amplifies beyond the Middle East to the whole world.

This inheritance is the promise and the covenant that exists apart from the law given 430 later.

Verse 19:

The law was added because of transgression. Transgression of what? Paul says that where no law is, there is no transgression, Rom 4:15.

In a previous post, Hero made the suggestion, to which I agree, that a law existed before Sinai which forbade killing, adultery, and may have included the Sabbath. God made it clear that Abraham kept such a law.

Ge 26:5 - Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

The law that was introduced was instituted because of the transgression of an already existing law to deal with the transgression. That law Paul alludes to is the sacrificial system.


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From: MSN Nicknamedesi56111Sent: 9/23/2007 3:52 AM
we were at vs. 14. anyone want to "pick it up" again?

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From: MSN NicknameShelter4u2Sent: 10/27/2007 8:26 AM
Yeah I will pick up verse 14 Desi56 111 !!!

Christ died for us so the spiritual blessings that God promised to Abraham might come to Jews and Gentiles alike, including the promise of the Holy Spirit whom we also receive by faith.

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