: <NOBR>tall-mary</NOBR>

I hope this is not a silly question most of you know, but will someone explain what is the  time meanings on how people differ with pre tribulation, tribulation and etc.   I have no idea what they mean.  I do not know if I believe it comes then as I do not understand it.   Also why do some believe Jesus will rule on earth for 1000 years and some do not? On this I am referring before the very end of this time.  This is still a two way prophecy If the world will return to the commandments of God. God will reign on this earth and will convert this world. If not God will destroy this world and take the people home and the gospel Will be presented to the people by Jesus Christ and His so called 144.000. All the people who reach heaven will be converted only those who has rejected to wear the garment given by Jesus will be lost. Matthew 22:8-10. So SDA people be warned no excuse not to belong to God's special people called the 144.000. Going to war is sinning not only to the Ten Commandments of God but also the two special ones given by Jesus Christ. Jack. .

 

I wasnt by their 'cooking' skills, but by war.

: <NOBR>desi56111</NOBR>  in response to Message 6

Going to war is sinning not only to the Ten Commandments of God but also the two special ones given by Jesus Christ.   how do you figure, when God told Israel several times to "go and wipe everyone, and everything out"? I wasn't by their 'cooking' skills, but by war.

well nevermind then.  there are several things in the pervious post id have contention with:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

hardly. I would respond that the majority of the "war" that is going on today is not "Christian vs. Christian"  but rather its the     Christians/ Athiest/ Jewish/ Agnositics vs. 7th century Islam .  

but the 'political term' for the current conflicts are "war on terror".

 

yes killing another person is wrong, but God has given us permission to defend ourselves, and "turning the other cheek" does not mean, "let other man saw your head off, cause he doesnt like you."

you are right Desi,  Jesus never said anything about allowing our heads to be sawed off, but He did say "turn the other cheek'  after it has been struck on the other side.  This is a  hard  word  in the flesh,  but  these are  Jesus words. Few are there yet,  but Jesus calls us there. Do we believe His Words?

In a book about Paul's life,it declared that after he was stoned and thought dead and dragged out of the city, those who had been in agreement with his mission were so sad as they stood around his body.

 

Then he arose (battered and bloody) and began to praise God that he was allowed to suffer for Christ's sake! like those disciples/apostles who were battered before him taking it patiently. And imagine his thoughts as he recalled Stephen being stoned there in front of him while he watched over the garments of those officiating in the rock-fest!.. and thinking that he too was going out of this world so soon!

But no! God had work for his human agent to do!

 

God loves us all and is not willing that any should be lost!

He uses means such as these to show us that that Gospel commission is STILL on going!

 

May we ALL do what we can to spread the Good News of a Savior who forgives sin and recognizes the needs of each soul.

 

May we each do what we can to manifest Christ's character and purpose, to rescue the perishing, pray for the dieing.

 

Jesus is merciful!

Jesus WILL SAVE!

 

 

There was Timothy in the crowd then with Paul according to my reading of a book called "Acts of the Apostles" by a certain Ellen G. White. Timothy was accounted a young man in which a temple of the Living God could be built up.

And so it proved to be (in my humble opinion) as my reading of the Scriptures declare that he was given great duties, and specially assisted with them, by the humble instrumentation of Paul.

 

The work of the gospel progresses as men, men who will not be bought or sold, who are true to duty as the needle to the pole, do their duties.

 

We needn't wait for another to tell us what we should do!

 

All around us are souls perishing in sin, needing sympathy and care, and comfort.

Some of these will learn of this great salvation as each of us recognize the privilege of

of being part of the gospel ministry.

 

Each baptized member has work to do!

Be involved! and at least be kind.

Jobs are hard! But individuals need attention!

Be not afraid of persecution.

The work of the gospel is to spend time with Jesus and do as He commands!

 

Rescue the perishing!

Care for the dieing!

Jesus is merciful!

Jesus will save.

being struck on the cheek, is a far cry from the leaders of some middle eastern countrys stating , 'our purpose in life is to kill all the jews.'

 

our marching orders are "go into the world, make deciples, and baptize them in the Name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost."

 

If someone rejects that, that is their right, but it also my right to DEFEND myself, and my family from the guy who is "breaking into every house on the block, klilling everyone in the house, and then heads torwads my house."

 

no offence, but i dont think your going to sit by what some Islamic FUNDEMENTALIST says, "because you are a christians we're going to kill you, your family, in the name of allah."  

I will "turn the other cheek" but it will NOT be "my cheek" that gets turned.

you cannot 'reason' with someone like that because :

 

1corth 2:14

But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Hi again Desi!

  No offense taken. A colt 45 is always handy in my home to protect my  family from a deadly attack.  "Spiritual discernment"  should tell you that Jesus was talking about something very different when talking about turning the other cheek..

  P.S  sometimes for a change I keep the 44 mag handy,  Our God did  not have Israel take back the land by turning the other cheek!!  So what do you think Jesus meant, about turning the other cheek?   Using your spiritual discernment, of course.

  God bless !

 Love-n-Grace

Hi everybody,

I too have read the passages where Jesus told His followers to respond to the pain and insult of having their face slapped (on one cheek), by meekly turning his or her face, so as to allow the attacker to readily have access to slapping the opposite cheek as well. Similar to this command, is the one where He says that if someone takes your coat, well, then just let him take your shirt, too. Just let him have them both. Now, if one views these statements in a purely fleshly manner, they are really difficult to comprehend, let alone live by. Lots of Christians simply ignore these words of our Savior, because they are just plain hard, but mostly because they don't comprehend the difference between the spirit and the flesh.

A paradigm shift occurs when one begins to realize that although Jesus was a man, living in a flesh body just as we do, He did not live by the flesh, nor according to the demands of the physical issues of this life. He did not allow Himself to be controlled by His flesh. (I do wonder whether that was one of the purposes of His fourty day fast in the desert: to place His flesh in subjection to His Spirit). Desi, do you have any thoughts on this?

To Him, life in the Spirit was what mattered. Spiritual issues, issues of the heart, were what He considered important enough to comment upon. (This is not to say that He considered the fleshly of the people's needs, such as physical hunger, unimportant: as evidenced by the tremendous miracles of His multiplying the loaves and fishes upon more than one occasion).

If one believes, as Jesus said, that He and the Father are One, then one must of course come to the conclusion that He is the same God Who in earlier days commanded the children of Israel to go to war against their enemies, and is the same God Who Himself gave them the victory by  literally acting to work out the physical destruction of these enemies in various creative means and ways. Just think for a moment about the Egyptian army being drowned in the sea, and various other ways that God destroyed the enemies of Israel, as recorded in the Old Testament. (Hailstones, hornets, supernatural confusion, etc.).

I guess the point of all this is to realize  that if we  thinik  we  completely understand God and all His ways, we are probably being presumptuous. 

Just some of my thoughts.

Mae 

13)      P.S  sometimes for a change I keep the 44 mag handy,  Our God did  not have Israel take back the land by turning the other cheek!!  So what do you think Jesus meant, about turning the other cheek?   Using your spiritual discernment, of course.

 

14)   A paradigm shift occurs when one begins to realize that although Jesus was a man, living in a flesh body just as we do, He did not live by the flesh, nor according to the demands of the physical issues of this life. He did not allow Himself to be controlled by His flesh. (I do wonder whether that was one of the purposes of His fourty day fast in the desert: to place His flesh in subjection to His Spirit). Desi, do you have any thoughts on this?

 

 

   once i thought that was meant to "not them have the satifaction of such and such." but obviously that was based upon the fleshly discernment. but later understand that this is to "show however much of an a$$ some are, does not mean that we (Christians) have to be also." Of couse thats in a 'broad sence', but is relivant of that the Chidren of God, do not 'stoop' to that standard, and that we should understand that the 'natural man' is naturaly going to do such.

   It also has implyance of the dependance of the Father in the situation. Just as Christ was going through all the physical beatings, He relied upon the Father's will to do what Christ was to acomplish, just as His prayer...'not My will, but Yours."

 

I believe there was a 'real physical temptation' for fasting 40 days and then being tempted with "In so much you are the Son of God, turn these stones into bread."

but again Christ being both Devine, and in the flesh He had a temptation of "hunger, wearyness, and thirst"

(food, sleep, and drink.) thats not something the "God needs," but the body did. again reliance upon the Father was what He had oveer us, and is what we need to exercise in our lives making it trough our daily trials. *(physical enemies, emotional, and spritual needs.)

I will answer you on the part why do some believe Jesus will reign thousand years and some not.

 

First of all, the HOLY SPIRIT works active with what HE HIMSELF WROTE.

the bible is in a way written that only those that earnestly seek for the truth what God says and receive His Spirit they will know the secrets and things and intentions of God.

Some believe Jesus will be reigning on the planet.

Well this is a big study in revelation but they mingle all the sequences together.

How can one even puts in his mind that Jesus will come to live thousand years next to sinners here on earth, thats the silliest thing ever. but sadly many believes this.

thats the reason when you dont have the love of the truth God will send a strong delusion that you believe lies.

God said must be handled not I think or i look at it this way.

 

the bible says clearly satan will be left begin bounded at the earth.

 

Hi there, Kevin,

Could you please explain your comment, "the bible says clearly satan will be left begin bounded at the earth". What scripture do you base this on?  I'm not at all sure what it is you are saying here.  You invite all to send their questions to your private address but maybe others wonder the same thing I do. 

Thanks,

Mae

I'm confused why did Jesus say in the following to arm themselves the deciples had 2 swords.

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Luk 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Luk 22:37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

Luk 22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

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Work, for the night is coming.

(The morning comes, and also the night.)

 

often, when we are involved in struggles with life, we find ourselves in positions where we do not know who we are struggling with.

 

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities  and powers and rulers of darkness in high places."

 

When we enter a new place and think we understand what is going on, we must take heed (if we think we are standing) lest we fall.

 

One of the things that increases our awareness of propriety, is respect for civil powers.

 

When these powers are in conflict with the higher power of God, then we must choose to follow God or follow man.

 

In the daylight, we know who we are fighting with. When we are in struggles and night with unknown situations, then our training kicks in.  Even in the daylight our perceptions can be based on appearences and not realities.

 

Jesus did not accept His title of King of the country until the week of His crucifixion.

 

First he was a little baby in Bethlehem until about two. (My personal reckoning)

Then he was in Egypt for five more years.

Then back to Nazareth for five more.

Then He entered the temple after five more years.

Then eighteen years more continuing as a worker at the carpenter's shop.

And then three and a half year's public ministry preaching that the kingdom was at hand and to believe the gospel.  This was following up with John the Baptist message.

 

The struggle with the concept of weapons of violence and the use of scrip, entails the acknowledgement of  the use of force. And the use of words on paper has its effect as well.

 

When all the words are used up in situations where conflict resolution is attempted, then the force of arms is an avenue.

 

Hence, the choice of words used is so important and so many of us spend vast amounts of our resources learning to master some of the lessons learned in recorded history.

 

To resort to force quickly, yields much pain and sorrow to the initiator.  When the battle waxes thick, then it is that efforts must be put forth.  The great hope is that the cause we are on is the correct one.  If the influence of money and corporeal force are calculated for a good cause, then we are on the correct tract.

 

If on the other hand, we go to war too quickly, we could find ourselves fighting battles that damage but do not hurt to heal.

 

The world needs to learn of a God who was willing to use true words till blood.

First the sweating of great drops like blood at Gethsemane, and then the final result of that choice to pay the debt of sin for the whole human race.