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| | | From: mae (Original Message) | Sent: 12/22/2007 6:02 AM |
This is just a spin-off from another thread, and I thought I'd start another place to discuss what seems to be an emerging point of interest, judging from other posts. It seems that some are confused about (and seem to disbelieve) the fact that God is Spirit (I'm thinking here of recent discussions in another thread about the Trinity and how this relates to the Holy Spirit) and I wonder if there is generally a misunderstanding about the Spiritual nature of God, and man, who was created in His image. So I'm opening a discussion about the Spiritual nature of God, and man, who was created in His image. Mae |
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Hi Jack! Well I don’t know if this exchange is fruitful to anyone, because as you stated “you are willing to fight the whole church�?and by the sounds of it you are a “lone wolf�? By that I mean, not having a fellowship of believers that can agree with you. I think I can understand why, and it is simply because you have very strong theories, but do not provide scriptural teaching to show why your assumptions are true. I think I can see why no one came to your “party�?as you put it. However , having said that I think you are a child of God , and one who really wants to do what is right. It is my conviction that you have just gotten a bit off the path and God is calling you to just get real before Him (as we all must do), and stop seeing yourself as a “prophet to Israel�?/STRONG> and humbly ask God for you ,yourself to come to know the Holy Spirit, whom you have denied . God Bless you Jack Love-n-Grace |
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Hi Jack! Well I don’t know if this exchange is fruitful to anyone, because as you stated “you are willing to fight the whole church�?/P> I don't fight. Just talk plain Bible truth. That Jesus can to set us free from sin by the power of God's Spirit. He came to save us from our sins not in our sins. Not very well understand by many Christians even in the SDA Church. and by the sounds of it you are a “lone wolf�?/P> .Is this not what Jesus told us in the end of time? He will shorten the days of his return otherwise no flesh would survive. and all of us would be deceived. Look around in the world Christianity is loosing terrain instead of spreading. What is the reason. the power of God's spirit is lost because of unbelief and disobeying God's commandments. Is this not plain enough By that I mean, not having a fellowship of believers that can agree with you. I think I can understand why, and it is simply because you have very strong theories, but do not provide scriptural teaching to show why your assumptions are true. What is wrong with the word's of Jesus in Revelation 3:20-20. Not simple enough? The Bible state that the world will produce the 144.00 before the retutn of Jesus Christ Sorry I have fellowship with believers in many churches for many years I find good things in all of them. But the end results is not good enough for there salvation. I think I can see why no one came to your “party�?as you put it. It is not my party Jesus told us that the whole world will be against God's people nothing has changed over the years when Christ was on this earth. Was he not alone in his final battle. However , having said that I think you are a child of God , Thank you. and one who really wants to do what is right. It is my conviction that you have just gotten a bit off the path and God is calling you to just get real before Him (as we all must do), and stop seeing yourself as a “prophet to Israel�?/STRONG> and humbly ask God for you ,yourself to come to know the Holy Spirit, whom you have denied . Please tell this to your advent preacher's by prophecying against the world we live in reason they proclaim the gospel of damnation instead of the gospel of love. The gospel of unification instead of there gospel of damnation if not follow the teachings of the SDA Church. God Bless you Thanks God is with my all the way. Jack. |
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Hi Jack! Well I don’t know if this exchange is fruitful to anyone, because as you stated “you are willing to fight the whole church. But fight go a lot further the whole so called Christian world who all have disobey not only the Ten Commandments of God but special the two Jesus has re-instated the spiritual laws of God. This is the reason that I work in many churches. Even the SDA Church well have been given special instructions obeying God's 10 commandments are not upholding those Ten commandments. By not upholding those Ten commandments the church is operating without the power of God's Holy Spirit. So God calls us back to his Ten commandments and if the world but special the SDA Church is not going back to the simple Ten commandments the world will be lost. Only then we will understand the things about the God. John 14:15-17. and by the sounds of it you are a “lone wolf�? By that I mean, not having a fellowship of believers that can agree with you. I think I can understand why, and it is simply because you have very strong theories, but do not provide scriptural teaching to show why your assumptions are true. Is the explanation given by me in this message not plain enough? It is the Elijah message from God not a message or doctrine from me. I think I can see why no one came to your “party�? Not my party but the party of the wedding feast of the Son of God. as you put it. However , having said that I think you are a child of God , and one who really wants to do what is right. It is my conviction that you have just gotten a bit off the path and God is calling you to just get real before Him (as we all must do), and stop seeing yourself as a “prophet to Israel�?Who is calling this very important message to the world today and humbly ask God for you ,yourself to come to know the Holy Spirit, whom you have denied . I do not Deny the spirit of God who has clearly shown me the situation in the world today. People are speaking of peace but there is no peace only hate and war to solve the problems in this world. Even the SDA Church has followed this way of the world. God Bless you Jack Love-n-Grace |
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(kjv) Matthew 5:9 - Blessed are the peacemakers, For they shall be called children of God.
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Hi Jack! Well bless your heart! We may disagree on a lot of things but I can't dislike you . Yet I feel your past 3 posts make very clear your intent and agenda for posting here. I can’t agree with your judgemental attitude and I have no witness in my spirit that your “Elijah�?message is from God. I would like others in this church body to have their say as well. Still I care for you , and pray for a revelation of God’s Grace to come to you. Blessings Jack !! Love-n-Grace |
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| | | From: mae | Sent: 1/9/2008 5:49 AM |
Jack, I beg to differ with you when you say People are speaking of peace but there is no peace only hate and war to solve the problems in this world. If this is truly your view, it may be that you have been so entirely focused on your perception of negative situations that you have overlooked the powerful witness of so many people who have lived and died according to the principle of the the text quoted by Seek. One of the many that immediately comes to mind is the life of Mahatma Ghandi, who was instrumental in achieving the independence of India from Britian, through non-violence and peaceful means. (Just google his name, and you will learn about the accomplishments of this great man). Martin Luther King was another who believed great things could be achieved through peace. He lived (and died) for his commitment to peace. History testifies to the many honourable and brave men and women who gave their lives to accomplish great and good things for their fellow human beings. Each year thousands are martyred because they will not deny their Lord, and choose willingly to lay down their lives. Some would say nothing is achieved by their sacrifice, but their blood is as seed, and much springs forth from their witness. Those who are genuinely called by God as missionaries literally give themselves in love to those they serve, and many of them daily risk their lives to rescue orphans from the ravages of their war-torn countries. Jack, perhaps it's time you checked your perspective. If you feel you can see only "hate and war to solve the problems in this world", then it is time you read Phillipians 4:8, and really took it to heart. Think about it: this text is as much a command of God, as are the Ten Commandments. It is the remedy for those who can see only negative things in life. If someone is in this position, it is because he/she has been fixating on the wrong things. Phillipians 4:8 says: "Finally, bretheren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, let your mind dwell on these things". Blessings to you, Jack, Mae |
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Jack, I beg to differ with you when you say People are speaking of peace but there is no peace only hate and war to solve the problems in this world. If this is truly your view, it may be that you have been so entirely focused on your perception of negative situations that you have overlooked the powerful witness of so many people who have lived and died according to the principle of the the text quoted by Seek. One of the many that immediately comes to mind is the life of Mahatma Ghandi, who was instrumental in achieving the independence of India from Britian, through non-violence and peaceful means. (Just google his name, and you will learn about the accomplishments of this great man). Martin Luther King was another who believed great things could be achieved through peace. He lived (and died) for his commitment to peace. History testifies to the many honourable and brave men and women who gave their lives to accomplish great and good things for their fellow human beings. Each year thousands are martyred because they will not deny their Lord, and choose willingly to lay down their lives. Some would say nothing is achieved by their sacrifice, but their blood is as seed, and much springs forth from their witness. Those who are genuinely called by God as missionaries literally give themselves in love to those they serve, and many of them daily risk their lives to rescue orphans from the ravages of their war-torn countries. Those people you point out are those who follow the spiritual Laws of God.which will save.Not just the Ten commandments of God that will save no one but was given to lead us to God. Yes God will still have faithful people who follow the spirit of God like it was before the ten commandments were given to the disobedient people of God. Jack, perhaps it's time you checked your perspective. If you feel you can see only "hate and war to solve the problems in this world", then it is time you read Phillipians 4:8, and really took it to heart. Think about it: this text is as much a command of God, as are the Ten Commandments. It is the remedy for those who can see only negative things in life. If someone is in this position, it is because he/she has been fixating on the wrong things. Phillipians 4:8 says: "Finally, bretheren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, let your mind dwell on these things". I have pointed the position of the Christian faih solving the problems of this world by war actions this is against the spiritual law's of God. which will save.And was the position of the SDA Church untill the first world war started..Million and millions has been killed because we have disobeyed God. Blessings to you, Jack, Mae | |
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I have send two replay's can you tell me if you have received them because I am not sure. Jack. |
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| | From: anna | Sent: 1/9/2008 9:49 PM |
I AM ANN I HOPE THAT YOU ARE REALLY A PEACEMAKER.
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| | | From: mae | Sent: 1/19/2008 2:18 AM |
Hi Ann, Not sure to whom you're directing your comment, but I agree that making/keeping peace amongst ourselves is important. Although, I would qualify that statement by saying that speaking the truth of God must in all cases take priority over 'keeping the peace', if that peace comes at the expense of Biblical Truth. Just my thoughts, Mae |
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Hi Anna How can there be peace in the middle of a war when one is so concern about killing or being killed. How can there be peace after a war after all is done. One has to celebrated the death of its adversary. Therefore have joy in the midst of the other one pain. One should seek to unite so there will be peace and harmony in both side. There will be no defeat as both will be victorious. It is sad how we tend to accept victory to be the success over the destruction of another. Victory is that we both made it though in this world that has so much against us. that no one is left behind. Individually, is for us is to accept that we are a failure when we think that we can do better with out Jesus or that we know more than Jesus. He did not shine over anyone by throwing dust over them to make them shine less so His dim light will shine brighter. He shine for is the light and the source of all light and there is no other light that can shine like Him. When we proclaim the truth all that is not the truth will be seen as not being the truth with out ever it been called a lie. It will see itself as a lie on its own and not because it was called a lie. All who seek the truth will find the truth. It is the quest of man to find the truth. |
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God relationship to man are demonstrated in many way to reach us. he is spirit, so he needs to device nature help us understand that he's there, he created me and you. Though there are other things which we human can't just understand. He is spirit and not a Man in flesh. we figure him in a physical form in spirit. |
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Many didn't understand that God is like a Man. He is spirit, so we worship him in spirit.Idol worship is common because, they wanted to see god to be worship. A very wrong teaching. |
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| | From:  yo-nc | Sent: 2/14/2008 9:09 PM |
And , behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem [about] three-score furlongs {~seven miles?} And they talked together of all thse things which had happened. And it came to pass, that, while they communed [together] and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them. But their eyes were holden that they should not know him. And he said unto them, What manner of communications [are] thes that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad? And the one of them whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto Him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days? And he said unto them, What things? and they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people: And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him. But we trusted that it had been He which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done. Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre; And when they found not His body, they came, saying, that they had seen a vision of angels, which said that He was alive. And certain of them which were with us went to the supulchre, and found [it] even so as the women had said: but Him they saw not. Then He said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: Ought not Christ to have suffered thse things, and to enter into His glory? And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, He expounded unto them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself. And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and He made as though He would have gone further. But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And He went in to tarry with them. And it came to pass, as He sat at meat with them, He took bread, and blessed [it], and brake, and gave to them. And their eyes were opened, and they knew Him; and He vanished out of their sight. And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while He talked with us by the way, and while He opened to us the Scriptures? And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them, Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon. And they told what things [were done] in the way, and how He was known of them in breaking bread. And as they thus spake, Jesus Himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace [be] unto you. But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. And He said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it it I Myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see Me have. And when He had thus spoken, He shewed them [His] hands and [His] feet. And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, He said unto them, Have ye here any meat? And they gave Him a piece of broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. And He took [it], and did eat before them. And He said unto them, These the words (btw "these the words" is the hebrew name for the book of Deuteronomy") which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms concerning Me. (mostly found in Luke 24:13-44 from a KJV new testament..) |
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It was posted How can there be peace in the middle of a war when one is so concern about killing or being killed. How can there be peace after a war after all is done. One has to celebrated the death of its adversary. Therefore have joy in the midst of the other one pain. I'm reminded of scripture 1 Corinthians 15 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Does not Jesus' death and resurrection not fly into the face of your statement? We will celebrate the victorious fight against evil and death! We will never care about the pain of Satan in his defeat. I believe that Paul preached and tried to establish unity and order in the church, yet mankind as evidenced by the Catholic church and those that sprang forth from her cannot and will not ever be able to bring about unity or order. It is going to take a supernatural intervention to bring about what many write of and strive for. It is written Revelation 18:4-6 And I heard another voice from heaven saying, Come out of her, My people, that ye may not partakers of her sins, that ye receive not of her plagues.
For her sins have reached into heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her according to her works: In the cup which she hath filled fill to her double. There will be NO room in the kingdom of God for differing beliefs, traditions and rituals of the vast church denominations of this world. There will be only one ruler and one belief system so the arguement over who is right and who is wrong on this corrupt world is a mute point according to scripture in Revelation. We are to become the church of God and at this time in God's plan WE are not that church. |
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