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| | From:  Jacobus1v (Original Message) | Sent: 3/19/2008 6:16 PM |
| If you haven't gotten your visit yet...the push for memorial attendance is in full swing now. Witnesses are going around inviting all they can to their memorial celebration...the only religious observance the Witnesses have. | Well the Christian world believe to be worthy but are not. The Jehovah witnesses believe they are not worthy but the are. So the time has come that God's people will not be God's people anymore..And those who are called not to be God's people will be called God's people And He will be their God. So Bible prophecy will be fulfilled. God will tell them I will be your God. Jack. |
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| | | From: mae | Sent: 3/25/2008 5:03 AM |
Just sounds like such alot of nonsense. Mae |
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| Just sounds like such allot of nonsense. Mae Let's solve this problem which Church keep the commandments of God? Not even one. If you not agree tell me which Church. So no one is worthy to the memorial service. Who according to the Christian world is not worthy. They all agree the Jehovah Witnesses. For what reason? They are not God's people because they doe not accept Jesus Christ as the Son of God but as the Son of man. Who is correct they are. But they don't keep the Sabbath Day Holy? They worship God every day and do good on the Sabbath day and proclaim the kingdom of God is at hand. Is this not Christians suppose to do. Yes it is. For this reason God will called his people not to be His people. And called those called not to be His people . They do the work the Christians suppose to have done but did not. So God will call them His people and they will call God their God. So this prophecy will also be fulfilled' Jack. | |
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I think He's applying Hosea 1:10 to the witnesses.
Ho 1:10
Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the
sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor
numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place
where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people,
there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the
living God.
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| I think He's applying Hosea 1:10 to the witnesses.
Ho 1:10
Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the
sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor
numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place
where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people,
there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the
living God.
All will be saved only not those who have known the truth but has not followed Jesus Christ the way God has intended that they should do. Matthew 22:8-9. "Who will not make it to the kingdom of God" Only those from the Church in Laodicia who has received the truth. But did not follow Jesus. Revelation 2:20-22. Jack. | |
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Mae is right Jack You are preaching a message and theory that you have dreamed up and have come to believe, but cannot really be sustained from scripture. You grasp at a few texts that you are convinced apply to sda. Most likely they don’t! Blessings Love-n-Grace |
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Hi Jack You said ,(speaking of the Jehovah Witnesses) �? For what reason? They are not God's people because they doe not accept Jesus Christ as the Son of God but as the Son of man. Who is correct they are.�? Matt 16 says�?/P> Vs 15 “Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, He was asking His disciples, "Who do people say that the Son of Man is?" Mat 16:14 And they said, "Some {say} John the Baptist; and others, Elijah; but still others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets." Mat 16:15 He *said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" Mat 16:16 Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Mat 16:17 And Jesus said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal {this} to you, but My Father who is in heaven. Why would you accept only half of the truth? This text clearly shows Jesus was both . The gospel of John chapter 1 is a good read as well to counteract this false teaching. Blessings Love-n-Grace |
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Hi Jack You said ,(speaking of the Jehovah Witnesses) �? For what reason? They are not God's people because they doe not accept Jesus Christ as the Son of God but as the Son of man. Who is correct they are.�? Can Jesus save us or can we be saved through Him? Through His mediate we can have excess to the Father who will lead us to salvation. John 14:15-17. We must obey the Spirit of God or we will be lost. Matt 16 says�?/P> Vs 15 “Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, He was asking His disciples, "Who do people say that the Son of Man is?" Mat 16:14 And they said, "Some {say} John the Baptist; and others, Elijah; but still others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets." Mat 16:15 He *said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" Mat 16:16 Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Mat 16:17 And Jesus said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal {this} to you, but My Father who is in heaven. His Father has revealed to Peter that Jesus was before the Son of God and able to save His people.came to this earth a a human being and will when the battle between Him and Satan is finished come back to this earth as the Son of God. Revelation 1:8. Why would you accept only half of the truth? This text clearly shows Jesus was both . The gospel of John chapter 1 is a good read as well to counteract this false teaching. If Jesus came as the Son of God Satan would not be able to tempt or even kill Jesus but He did. He could not be a example that we could follow but he was Revelation 3:20-22. If man was not able to overcome Satan and keep God's commandment Satan would have won the battle. Special when the false doctrine came in that Jesus was not truly fully human but have defeated Satan as the Son of God. This is the spirit of anti christ that has polluted the whole Christian world. Blessings Love-n-Grace Jack. | |
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Hi Jack! You said “His Father has revealed to Peter that Jesus was before the Son of God and able to save His people.came to this earth a a human being and will when the battle between Him and Satan is finished come back to this earth as the Son of God. Revelation 1:8. If Jesus came as the Son of God Satan would not be able to tempt or even kill Jesus but He did. He could not be a example that we could follow but he was Revelation 3:20-22. If man was not able to overcome Satan and keep God's commandment Satan would have won the battle. Special when the false doctrine came in that Jesus was not truly fully human but have defeated Satan as the Son of God. This is the spirit of anti christ that has polluted the whole Christian world. Jack�?/P> Jack ! I think have missed the point, Satan didn’t “kill Jesus�? Jesus crushed the serpents head when he embraced the cross, and He did it for you and me intentionally . You speak in your own theories rather than just trusting the Word of God. Jesus was and is the Son of man and the Son of God now, as He declared in Matt 16: 15-17. To make it even more clear: Luke 1 declares: “Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city in Galilee called Nazareth, Luk 1:27 to a virgin engaged to a man whose name was Joseph, of the descendants of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. Luk 1:28 And coming in, he said to her, "Greetings, favored one! The Lord {is} with you." Luk 1:29 But she was very perplexed at {this} statement, and kept pondering what kind of salutation this was. Luk 1:30 The angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary; for you have found favor with God. Luk 1:31 "And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus. Luk 1:32 "He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David; Luk 1:33 and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end." Luk 1:34 Mary said to the angel, "How can this be, since I am a virgin?" Luk 1:35 The angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God. For what reason Jack? Because the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary. It is right there in simple scripture Was your or my father the Holy Spirit Jack? No, you and have a physical father. The Holy Spirit becomes our Father when we are “born again�?Jesus was the “WORD�?made flesh. Son of Man and Son of God. Praise Him. The Gospel of John Chapter one makes it clear. Blessings Love-n-Grace |
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I think have missed the point, Satan didn’t “kill Jesus�? Jesus crushed the serpents head when he embraced the cross, and He did it for you and me intentionally . Jehovah Son of God and our creator Told Satan that the woman (His Church) will crushed Satan's head. If no man was able or willing to follow Jesus his sacrifice would have be in vain. Special when Satan was able to bring in the doctrine that Jesus was divine meaning has both natures at the same time. For this reason I ask you were was Jesus Christ when the world was created? He was not even created by his Father and He has not created himself.And was also not filed with the Spirit of His Father. This came to the same process as we can receive God's Holy Spirit. John 14:15-17. Next question were was the Son of God when Jesus was on earth and became our mediator between God and Man. Why was Jesus able to do the things when he was on earth? He could do nothing without the power of His Father. He was able to do those thing without His spirit Father his Father when he was the divine son of God in old testament times operation with His own spirit. Well both Spirit are the same Father and Son are one One The Father and The Son can't save mankind but only by Jehovah the Son of God or through the Son of Man Jesus Christ. So there is only one God who can throughly save us the divine Son of God. | |
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Jack Jesus is the LORD. you can degrade Him all you want. But your theories don’t make any coherent conclusion . Personally, I think you are seriously deluded Forget your past and just read the book. The Bible (if believed) will free you from all this strange foolish doctrine you hold to. God Bless you Jack! Love-n-Grace |
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Hi Jack, Based on your posts, it sounds like you are making the case that God has abandoned the SDA church in favor of the Jehovah's Witnesses church because their beliefs are currently more in line with His commandments. Am I understanding correctly? Bill |
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Hi all! Jack has asked where Jesus was at creation, and believes Jesus is the son of man only. John chapter one explains�?/P> John 1:1 �?/FONT>In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Jhn 1:2 He was in the beginning with God. Jhn 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. Jhn 1:4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. Jhn 1:5 The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. Vs 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. Jhn 1:11 He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him. Jhn 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, {even} to those who believe in His name, Jhn 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. Jhn 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. John the Baptist states in verse 34 �? "I myself have seen, and have testified that this is the Son of God." Peter states in Matt 16:16,17 �? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. Col 2 :8,9,and10 states:
See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ. Col 2:9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, Col 2:10 and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;
Blessings!! Love-n-Grace |
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Hi all! Jack has asked where Jesus was at creation, and believes Jesus is the son of man only. John chapter one explains�?/P> John 1:1 �?/FONT>In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Jhn 1:2 He was in the beginning with God. Jhn 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. Correct so who was by the creation of this world. According to the word of God The Father and His Son. Jesus came into existence 4000 years letter created by His Father. The Son of God was not created by His Father but brought forth from hid bosom. Was always with him. Jesus was a created with the submission of the Son of God to came to this world as the Son of man. He has before Jehovah the Son of God and able to save His creation. No need to go to the Father. This has changed when he became fully man to show His Father's love (God's love the Father and the Son) to this world. | So the answer to Question one was Jesus was not by the creation of this world but The son of God was. Where was the Son of God when Jesus was walking on this earth. Not in heaven and not on this earth. The things he did was with the Spirit of His Father and He was not able to same man anymore as through Him by His Father. Revelation 1:8 Explain this He was Jehovah the Son of God came to this world as the Son of Man but will return as the Son of God to judge this world. Jack. |
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Interesting theory Jack Personally I have not been able to find in scripture the concept of the “son of God �?in the old testament except for the few prophecy’s .regarding His coming. The way I am seeing it is:�? Was the “Word �?the son of God�?prior to the incarnation? I don’t think so .Luke 1 told us why He would be called the son of God . The Word became flesh as John told us . So the Word who created all things came to earth as Jesus . Jesus was not created 4000 years after creation as you state The Word came to earth and took on flesh approximately 4000 years after creation but He was still the “Word �?(God) who created all things and also took on flesh as John Chapter 1 testifies. . He was not created !! He was our creator. Remember this is precisely why Jesus was always in trouble . In the Hebrew culture the son of a singer was a singer, the son of a prophet was a prophet. The Son of God was God . That is why when he said it, they tried to stone Him for blasphemy Also , if Jesus was “created�?4000 years after creation as you say , than He must have been wrong when he said “Before Abraham I am �?( I don’t think He was wrong ) John 8:56 to 59 explains�? "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw {it} and was glad." Jhn 8:57 So the Jews said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?" Jhn 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am." Jhn 8:59 Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple. See Jack, Jesus pre existed according to His own words prior to Abraham . To say he was created when He appeared on earth as Jesus as you claim is just fleshly observation, and not believing the Bible at face value and trusting what it says . His name may have been different, but as Jesus Himself stated , “Before Abraham was born I am�?/P> Seems clear to me God bless Love-n-Grace |
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john 5:17-18 But Jesus answered them, "My Father has been working until now, and I have been working." Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God. |
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