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| From:  Kepiusaid1 (Original Message) | Sent: 9/22/2008 10:23 PM |
Hi all, I am just starting out and begining to understand a bit about how this works. I don not know if any of you know about paltalk or not but I have come across some SDA's that think a bit different about the trinity. From what research I have done, both in scripture and spirit of prophecy there is no direct reference to the trinity. I did find that EGW only mentions trio and nothing directly to trinity. Their arguement is that there is not trinity but one God. The one God I can agree with but as far as the trinity I don't see why they would say there is not a trinity or at least refer to God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. They use the text Eph 4:6 "One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." to say that there is no trinity. They do refer to the Godhead but wouldn't that only conferm the fact that there is a Trinity? I am still researching it but have not come up with a definet(pardon my spelling) answer. If anyone has a better answer or can direct my in some text that will at least help me understand this a bit more I would appreciate it. I'm not out to prove anyone right or wrong I just felt that the real issue is not the trinity per say but a relationship with God (Jesus)(Holy Spirit). Thanks and look forward to hearing from you. Jeff |
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Hiya Jeff,
Its good to hear from you and welcome to the group.
As SDA's I believe we need to be careful when chatting, as there are several other groups that are not SDA but if you ask them they will say they are SDA, but then teach things we dont believe , such as the teaching that there is no Trinity.
As far as i know the Paltalk SDA room is not SDA but a Davidian room pretending to be SDA.
The official SDA website has a page that has the 28 fundamental beliefs with Bible references and the Trinity is mentioned.
http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/fundamental/index.html
Amazing Facts is a great site and I would assume it will have a lesson on the Trinity.
http://www.amazingfacts.org/
I look at this verse as an expression of the Trinity.
NIV Matthew 28:19 - Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
God bless you Jeff,
Seek. |
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hiya kepiusaid, if i may, if you are looking for blibical references for the support of the doctrine *(teaching) of the Trinity *(Tri-United Nature of God), id forward the following: there is 1 God *(multiple references, eph 4:6, Ish 45:5, 14, 18, 21; 45:22, etc..) -The Father is called "God", *(Gal 1:1) -the Son (Jesus Christ) is called "God" *(jn 8:58, 20:28, titus 2:13, 2pet 1:1, etc) -the Holy Spirit is called God *(acts 5:3-4) -the Father is credited for the resurrection of Christ *(gal 1:1) -the Son is Credited for the ressurection of Himself *(john 2:19-22) -the Spirit is credited for the resurrection of Christ *(rom 8:11) -And "GOD" is credited for the resurrection of Jesus Christ *(acts 2:24, 32 ; 3:15, 26; 4:10, etc...) (Christ was not raised 4 times.) the Father, and the Son and the Holy Spirit are all linked together in "oneness" *(matt 28:19, 2corth 13:14) when Jesus Chist says "my Father is GREATER that I" (is in position) , NOT that "my Father is BETTER than I" (denotes Nature) both the Son and Father call Jesus Christ "God" *(john 8:58, heb 1:5-8) Both the Spirit and Son are given credit for Creation *(col 1:15-16, job 33:4) though the word "trinity" is not used in scripture, the teaching is there, just as the term "bible" is not in scriptures, we have no problem using it for identification purposes. hope this helps. |
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Hope this will help you Jeff...
I dug it out from one of Doug Batchelor's books relating to the Trinity.
The Bible tells us enough that God is one unit of three persons. "God"is a family word. He consists of God the Father,God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.In John 3:16 we see that God the Father sent God the Son in the form of a human that we might be forgiven.
At Jesus's baptism, you will see these individuals again. The Father speaks from Heaven saying, " This is my beloved son." The Spirit comes down in the form of a dove upon the Son.You've got the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit right there.
Some people are confused because Moses says,"Hear,O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord"(Deuteronomy 6:4). The Bible also says that "God said,Let us make man in our image"(Genesis 2:26). We need to understand the Hebrew context of oneness.Moses wrote, "A man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh"(Genesis 2:24 NKJV). Speaking of the apostles,Jesus prayed"that they all may be one;as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee,that they also may be one in us.(John 17:21). The word "one"in the Bible doesn't just mean one person; it can also mean one in unity,or in purpose.
Galations 4:4-6 states: But when the fullness of the time was come,God sent forth his Son....To redeem them that were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.And because we are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying Abba, Father.
Here you have God the Father sending the Son and sending the Spirit that we might reflect God the Son.There are many different titles used int eh Bible for God,but there is only one God who is united in His purpose for saving you and me.That's the Trinity.
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I have been reading from this site for a few years. I am a Berean believer with a christian rearing based in the SDA church for 25 yrs. I thank God that I was exposed to the Trinity at a young age and have been a believer for as long as I can remember. I think of the Trinity as being three seperate beings but God because of the stuff they are made up of. Omnipotant, Omnipresent and I can't remember the third omni----. They all three have the same qualities that no one else has making them God. I do think it is incorrect to have books written by a person EGW that is held up as important as the Bible. We are in a dispensation that does not have prophets. Thanks for allowing me to throw in my opinion. |
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| | | From: mae | Sent: 12/6/2008 4:37 AM |
Hi Maria, Could you further explain how you can be sure "we are in a dispensation that does not have prophets" ? Scripture indicates otherwise. Mae |
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The Bible says that the gifts of the Holy Spirit will continue on until Jesus comes. Ephesians 4:11-13
Rev 12:17 says God's last day people will have the testimoney of Jesus Christ.
Rev. 19:10 Says, the testimoney of Jesus Christ is the Spirit of Prophecy.
So, the prophetic gift which is given by the Holy Spirit will continue on. |
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Hello Jeff.... I just wanted to welcome you to the group!!! I hope you find as much of a blessing from this group as I have!!!
God Bless!!! |
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Thanks to everyone that has responded to this. There is a Text in 1 John 5:7 that pretty much says it for me, among other texts of course. |
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hiya kepiusaid, please do not rest on that 1 verse alone, because it is 'spurious', or "not in the greek texts". it is in the later greek manuscripts that the KJV translators used and other translations also, but the 'earlier greek manuscripts' do not have the text in it. finding that out and using it as a sole means of believing a doctrine, can come to be 'heart crushing'. though the teaching is well documented through out the OT and NT alike 1john 5:7 does not 'stand' becaus eof lack of creditability. though the "Trinity" is also not spoken in the bible, neither is "omnipresent, omniscience, or bible" mentioned yet we know that these terms are based upon multiple passages that bring the meaning to light. the Creation is attributed to the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit so also is the Ressurection, the proper Names "YHWH, and Adoni" are also attributed to all 3 also, along with "Who" 'seals us, saintifies, and indwells" us. with indivuadual texts that support this, and yet there is only 1 God. the only reason i bring this up is that 1john 5:7 is a "strawman" that is brought down real quick, with any textual criticism. |
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