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From: MSN NicknameжPђǒèńĭx§§Åяïşęñ3ж  (Original Message)Sent: 8/4/2008 2:24 PM
Hi baby. Happy Monday.... I love you, so very much.


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From: MSN NicknamekrissaeanSent: 8/5/2008 12:52 AM
I love you too, very much. Couple things love, going over what we tried to talk about earlier. First you mentioned doomed as in if we cant talk about things we are doomed, I agree, I always have told you that, we need to learn to be able to talk without all the negative stuff that ends up happening each time. Then another thing happened that is a classic example of doomed....when a couple has an issue or a problem, or one is hurt or upset, there is pain or just trouble, the right thing is that the couple comes closer together, they move closer to each other to help each other, to use eachothers strengths and use love to overcome the bad. The wrong thing is to slowly start backing away, both psysically (sp) and emotionally start to pull away, which is what happened today, the more upset you got, the more you moved away, not just physically in bed but emotionally shutting down, shutting me out, becoming withdrawn into your upsetness................of course everyone needs sometimes to back away from things, we both do and we both need that, but the operative word here is, sometimes. The rest of the time we have to try hard to not get so wrapped into our own personal feelings and upsetness that we lose sight of the fact that there are two of us and we are supposed to be a "one" in some regards and in that regard work together to get through difficult things, helping each other. I will work on this more too, but we cant just keep saying things and never doing them.
 
As for what the whole discussion was about, as I said, Im not going to keep wasting time, our time, fighting about something that in the end is stupid. I wont worry on it, I wont fight over it, Im NOT a stalker, Im your wife. But I will feel sad at times, I will wish for things to be different at times, I will hurt at times over it all. That doesnt mean its the end all of end alls, it just means your one way, Im another and as much as I wish so bad at times you felt differently, that I felt more important than such trivial stupid things, I cant make that come true, I cant make myself something Im not. I cant make you feel something you dont. Ive had to accept that and decide its not as terrible as I thought, I'll hurt...a lot sometimes and I'll always wish, my biggest wish ever, I'll always have a hard time understanding certain things when it comes to how deep is our love, but Im not going to crumble to nothing over it all, and Im definately not going to keep fighting a losing battle, one that is so miniscule in the scheme of our lives.
 
You are the way you are, I was wrong in assuming certain things about our love, or about the way love should be, I love you, I love you the way you are, I love you forever. I wont fight with you on this, but dont expect or ask me to not have times where you might see or sense my feeling very sad or unimportant, dont expect me to not wish to my grave that things were different in certain ways, I always will.
 
Neither of us is wrong here love, I hope you can not be dragged down by feeling defensive or attacked and see that I am NOT attacking you, or trying to make it seem like your wrong, or its wrong, or anything like that. Your not. But neither am I. We just see differently here and somehow we have to work through that together. Somehow we have to.
 
I love you, I always have, I always will. Your everything to me.
xxoo

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From: MSN NicknameжPђǒèńĭx§§Åяïşęñ3жSent: 8/14/2008 4:27 PM
 Hey babe, I read this post, and I read your e-mail wondering why I didn't respond. I'm sorry, and I hope you didn't think I was ignoring it. I'm sorry I didn't respond right away, but I read it and didn't think it required an immediate response.
 I know, and I agree that we need to be able to communicate without either of us getting upset or defensive, and I am working so hard on that sweety. I don't want us to be "doomed," and that's because I love you with all my heart, and there is nobody else in this world I want to spend my life with.
 I am so sorry you feel sad at times, and you wish things were different. I'm so very sorry at times you feel unimportant to me. I guess at this point, I'm just a little confused by some things, and I want to understand, desperately. I'm having to read your post over and over trying to wrap my head around it, and understand. You said you can't make me feel something I don't. What is it that you wish I felt, but don't? I am the way I am? You were wrong in assuming certain things about our love? When I hear or read things like this, it hurts me. I swear I'm not being defensive or mad, but it saddens me to know that deep down you feel like I don't love you deeply enough, or think that you are not so very important to me. I put you above all else. I am always here for you baby. I would give up anything in this world for you, and I would end my own, unimportant life for you. My life is nothing without you, and I have always hoped you would see and feel and know that.
 I would never dismiss the situation with looking at other women nude. I know, in my heart how you feel on this, and I respect it, and I have agreed with you on this. We've had this discussion and I know how it has made you feel, and I will forever regret that it ever happened... but at the same time with me realizing this, I have made changes, and keeping in mind just how much I love you and need to be with you, and not wanting to ever hurt you, I feel very confident that we can get beyond it, and be where we need to be in our relationship. There is nobody else in this world I desire to be with. You are the love of my life, and while I will say that old habits can be hard to break, it's not impossible, and I want nothing more in this world for you to feel in your heart and soul that you are the only woman in this world for me. I understand your struggles baby, and I always respect how you feel, and I want us to share each and every thoughts and feelings and beliefs and expectations when it comes to our life and love together. I know and understand you will have some down days, as I do too, but honestly, when you make a post like this I struggle with understanding exactly where it's coming from. I do feel like I have done something horrible, recently, to make you say you feel unimportant, or that our love is not what you expected. I know, sometimes when we discuss things, I get frustrated, and yes, I have to end it and walk away. It's not because I don't love you, or want to hear what you are saying, or that I don't agree with how you feel. It's literally because I simply get confused, and I get frustrated with myself and I feel like I should be able to understand, but for some reason I'm not. I know we need to work on communicating.... that's a fact, but it hurts deep down inside to hear you say you don't feel important to me, when everything I do on this earth is for you, and us, and the kids, and our lives together. Am I a perfect person? No way in hell. Do I have faults? Of course, but I am here, with you. And I am always behind you in anything you want to pursue, and I would always defend you when it came to anybody else in this world. I would kill for you, and I would die for you baby. I just hope you can some day realize this.
 I hate it, with a passion when we argue. It's a gut wrenching, horrible feeling. I want us to work on communicating better, and I try. It's very important for us, to ensure a nice, long and lovely life together. I need to work on understanding more, and not allowing myself to get frustrated. Please try and understand too though, that if at times I seem quiet during discussions, it's not from a lack of interest, or caring, but just trying to take it all in and understand, before just popping off with a response. I love you, and I just want to always be sensitive to your felings and thoughts, and I want and need to handle my responses delicately.
 I love you baby... with all my heart and soul and everything within me. I love you more with each passing day. I could never even imagine my life without you. I hope you know this. You are my soulmate, and I will always know this. There is nobody more important to me, than you are. I love you !!!

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From: MSN NicknamekrissaeanSent: 8/15/2008 1:19 AM
Im sorry I keep making you feel so bad love, its so not my intention and I dont know what I can say or do to get past being able to speak things without you feeling like your horrible or Im saying your wrong or anything like that. I had just wished so bad we could get to where we could talk about things, I could ask things, share feelings, work together. Im sorry I hurt you with my words......There is a lot I would like to say in response right now, try to explain things but Im worried....worried I wont say things right and you'll just come away hurt and confused again, worried that no matter how I try so hard to carefully say what I have on my mind, it still leads to bad feelings and hurt feelings and not understanding.
 
 
Honestly though, you dont know fully how certain things have made me feel love, when in the past we have tried to talk, so very quickly we before become defensive and dismissive and explaining instead of listening, and hurt so we hurt back and we barely started the conversation before its over already, lost to hurt and angry feelings. So how can you really know all my thoughts, my worriesm my feelings, my questions and more if we cant talk for more than a couple minutes about sensitive topics before we both get too upset to even hear the other person anymore?
 
So...god as bad as I want to discuss stuff, how much I would love to have my worries comforted by you, how bad I need to be reassured and heard...really heard and feel like what Im saying is important and matters more than other stupid crap and its not all nonsense and stupid things.....I want to....but I'll wait. Because Im still worried we are not at the place yet to approach difficult talks with love and with an open heart and mind and ears to helping each other.
 
Thank you for responding, I love you very much and Im so sorry were going to most likely lose our two entertainment things. Plus the car. It really does suck, but not too long we will have a car and after the holidays we will work on a computer and TV again. I just hate that we were so close and now they got almost two years of payments out of us and they will go and re-rent this same computer out to someone else and get even more money for it. They dont have to re-stock items, they just wait till someone is hurting and cant make the payments, take it back and rent it over again.
 
Gotta run to the school in the AM to get a couple flash drives and CDs to finish copying stuff, plus a few other runnings, drop off papers at food stamps, go by Josh's doctors.
 
I love you, Im sorry I dont say the right things....I do try....so very hard I try, but still fail right now.
 
All my love, Amber
xxoo

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