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From: Conrad  (Original Message)Sent: 1/2/2007 6:45 PM
The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated... I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man.

Mahatma Gandhi


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From: ConradSent: 1/2/2007 6:50 PM
Wild animals never kill for sport. Man is the only one to whom the torture and death of his fellow creatures is amusing in itself.

James A. Froude (1818-1894)

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From: ConradSent: 1/2/2007 6:51 PM
In fact, if one person is unkind to an animal it is considered to be cruelty, but where a lot of people are unkind to animals, especially in the name of commerce, the cruelty is condoned and, once large sums of money are at stake, will be defended to the last by otherwise intelligent people.

Ruth Harrison, Animal Machines

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From: ConradSent: 1/2/2007 6:52 PM
Humanity's true moral test, its fundamental test, consists of its attitude toward those who are at its mercy: animals. And in this respect, human kind has suffered a fundamental debacle, a debacle so fundamental that all others stem from it.

Milan Kundera, The Unbearable Lightness of Being
 

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From: ConradSent: 1/2/2007 6:53 PM
It should not be believed that all beings exist for the sake of the existence of man. On the contrary, all the other beings too have been intended for their own sakes and not for the sake of anything else.
Rabbi Moses ben Maimon (1135-1204)
 

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From: ConradSent: 1/2/2007 6:55 PM
Until he extends the circle of compassion to all living things, man will not himself find peace.
Albert Schweitzer, The Philosophy of Civilisation
 

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From: MSN Nicknamebreeze_tiogaSent: 1/2/2007 7:17 PM
I totally don't agree with James A. Froude. 
 
I hate comments like that.

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From: MSN NicknameDede_springs_eternalSent: 1/2/2007 7:55 PM
I think that there is two types of hunting.  There is good hunting...where there is a high level of sport, yet respect not to waste what you've harvested or over harvest the species.  The other kind is where its all sport without any regard for nature or the remains of the animal that you've taken.  I know what kind of hunter you are, cause my dad was the same way. 

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From: MSN NicknameDede_springs_eternalSent: 1/2/2007 7:59 PM
In other words, you can be a hunter and have a great love and respect for nature.  Chances are the deer and turkey you've taken are killed much more humanely than alot of the animals that end up in the meat bin in the grocery store.

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From: ConradSent: 1/2/2007 8:07 PM
Breeze,
 
I don't know what the context was of the original quote but I put it here in the context of what Dede said.

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From: MSN Nicknamebreeze_tiogaSent: 1/3/2007 2:30 AM
Chances are the deer and turkey you've taken are killed much more humanely than alot of the animals that end up in the meat bin in the grocery store.
 
Ain't that the truth!  I just get mad a quotes like that because the anti-hunting extremists think we hunt just to kill... ya know?  I would much rather kill and process my own meat for my dining room table.  If anything, myself and all the hunters I know have a greater respect for wildlife, the environment, and nature in general. 
 
But I like all the other quotes here, lol.

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From: MSN NicknameSmigChickSent: 1/4/2007 7:00 PM
 
Love those quotes, Conrad! And this one, sadly, is sooooo true:
 
In fact, if one person is unkind to an animal it is considered to be cruelty, but where a lot of people are unkind to animals, especially in the name of commerce, the cruelty is condoned and, once large sums of money are at stake, will be defended to the last by otherwise intelligent people.
 
In fact, it could be applied to almost anything we humans do.
 
Breeze, I understood the context of that other quote to imply that people who are trophy hunters - not those looking to sustain life itself - are cruel.
 
But...evs (lol), y'all know my perspective on this subject. I'm personally against killing any mammal for my own sustenance, but I defend the right of anyone else to do what they need to do to survive. What I find far more appalling are those who "veal" animals into a horrible (however brief) existence just for the sake of putting tons of meat onto store shelves. I really do feel strongly that people should "have to" hunt for their own food. It's much more fair and humane, imho. It's like....the way things should be, I guess is what I'm trying to say.
 

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From: JagSent: 1/23/2007 12:29 PM
I think Froude's totally incorrect.
 
Film footage has been shot of baboons killing monkees just to do it, orcas attacking and playing with seals just to do it, and some dolphins killing, too, but that may be more about territory (can't remember which two, but two species hate each other and try to kill one another whenever possible)...  
 
A guy I used to know had almost 1/4 of his herd of something killed by a pack of wolves in Alaska over a few nights...  Only a few were actually eaten, and the rest were just kills, and were left intact, other than the fatal wounds.
 
So yeah... he's wrong. lol
 
Cool quotes otherwise, Conrad...  

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