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General : Is it okay to place kids in seclusion rooms at school
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 Message 1 of 16 in Discussion 
From: Jnp9  (Original Message)Sent: 12/17/2008 8:18 PM
I might be a horrible person
but i dont see whats wrong with locking a kid up in a room if hes being a brat

Students forced into cell-like seclusion rooms

A few weeks before 13-year-old Jonathan King killed himself, he told his parents that his teachers had put him in "time-out." But time-out in Jonathan's school meant spending time in something akin to a prison cell -- a concrete room latched from the outside, its tiny window obscured by paper. Called a seclusion room, it's where Jonathan hanged himself with a cord a teacher gave him to hold up his pants. full story

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 Message 2 of 16 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameSmigChickSent: 12/17/2008 8:27 PM
I see nothing wrong with that, either. As long as it's not too hot or too cold in there, what's the big deal?
We've turned into a world of kid-coddlers, imo, lol.

 Message 3 of 16 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameHiccup1Sent: 12/17/2008 8:29 PM
i don't think it's necessarily bad, especially when they teachers don't really get many options for discipline.

 Message 4 of 16 in Discussion 
From: Jnp9Sent: 12/17/2008 8:44 PM
they had a dr phil show about this abd dr phil was ranting how upset he was and the parents were like , omg we cant sleep, we are devasted ...
im like um your child cant behave in school what r they suppose to do, let them create havoc and smile at them?

 Message 5 of 16 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameSmigChickSent: 12/17/2008 8:55 PM
let them create havoc and smile at them
Well, this does help explain how we got where we are today with this crap. If a teacher just looks at a student cross-eyed, it's an offense.
I see the pendulum swinging back the other way soon though. I don't think my generation has done all that great a job with their 'role reversal' method of child-rearing, time for something that works, lol.

 Message 6 of 16 in Discussion 
From: Jnp9Sent: 12/17/2008 9:01 PM
my personal favorite is how in some schools they cant fail kids anymore and every kid wins medals and shit

 Message 7 of 16 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameLïlySent: 12/17/2008 9:15 PM
The only problem I have with it, is the door is locked and that is not OMGosh you locked my kid in but for fire or hazard reasons.
If they say he killed him because of that, I think there is more happening then they are willing to admit. (even with a locked door)

 Message 8 of 16 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameLïlySent: 12/17/2008 9:17 PM
J, it is better than that.... My sister was held back a year.... but when she was in grade 6, when the new "no holding kids back a grade" came forward, they bumped her a grade so she would be with her peers!?! WTF? She was already having problems with learning and she skipped a grade.

 Message 9 of 16 in Discussion 
From: TreeSent: 12/17/2008 9:39 PM
Time out doesn't work anyway, a co-worker has a 4 yr old son, Kevin. Another mother at his preschool told her that Kevin had been placed in "time out" for acting up in class.
Kevin however has figured out how to turn it around.... his time out is a chair in the corner, away from the rest of the kids, not in a locked room. So Kevin is in timeout, but he's teasing the other kids with comments of, "you wish you could come over here, but you can't!" He was also making faces at them when the teacher had her back to him, in other words he figured out how to take possession of the time out and make it a good thing in his eyes.
If I'd been his teacher I would have made a point of getting the class involved in something fun that he wanted to do, obviously the 'punishment' wasn't working as it was. At least chick is lucky and Kev is basically a good boy....but if he's got this figured out at age 4, can you imagine what he'll be pulling when he's 16?????

 Message 10 of 16 in Discussion 
From: ConradSent: 12/17/2008 9:45 PM
I got my butt paddled more than once in school and look how well I turned out.   lmao
I don't see a thing wrong with this, cept as Lily pointed out, the fire problem.

 Message 11 of 16 in Discussion 
From: Jnp9Sent: 12/17/2008 11:08 PM
empty concrete rooms dont burn

 Message 12 of 16 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameLïlySent: 12/17/2008 11:20 PM
Everything burns... however not the point. Smoke can kill.
Put the kid in the room just do not lock it.

(6 recommendations so far) Message 13 of 16 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameKellysgotanangelsvoiceSent: 12/18/2008 7:23 AM
Everything is wrong with this and as someone who works in education I can tell you that there are definitely alternatives that work and are not torture or abuse.

 Message 14 of 16 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameKittyMarthaPooSent: 12/18/2008 12:36 PM
I too work with children.
Smig - we've turned into a world of kid-coddlers imo, lol
Smig, I couldn't agree more with you on this. Our worst-behaved children are totally coddled by their parents who do nothing but make excuses for their child's poor behavior..and also offer little to no discipline at home.
Hiccup - teachers don't really get many options for discipline
No they don't, Hiccup. All we can do is offer lame "time-outs". It is VERY frustrating.
It is just a constant, ongoing battle with the worst kids. It just goes on & on. All we can do is give time-outs, write ups, a possible suspension (if the same behavior happens), or talk to the parents [who do nothing & just offer lame excuses]. And then the same behaviors just happen again & again.

 Message 15 of 16 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameLavender_Greenshadow©Sent: 12/18/2008 8:06 PM
Detention after school & forbidding of sports not in use anymore?
Suspension works well, too
Putting a child in a room alone, is just asking for trouble.  Whether by the child's hand or natural forces.
So, NO it's NOT ok to do so.
My sister is a teacher - she deals with the parents & if they don't like it, too bad.
She ever has a real problem, then she lets me I probably went to school with most of the parents.

(2 recommendations so far) Message 16 of 16 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameStephenYzedSent: 12/18/2008 11:33 PM
Generally the children who act out are the ones who are ignored/neglected the most. They want attention in any form, and it's because that's what they feel is missing. I can't think of a single instance where a child acted out because their parents were too attentive to their needs.

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