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Spiritual : Upstate New York
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 Message 1 of 49 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameAvidly  (Original Message)Sent: 10/13/2006 4:53 PM
Breeze, remember we had that discussion about how upstate New York has such a negative effect on people? We found the answer a few weeks ago at group. This one girl has been reading a book (damned if I cna remember the name now) about the Reptilian Aliens. They are horrible, nasty, and disturbing, and probably in charge of our government right now. (I mean, tell me Rumsfeld does NOT look like an ancient dinosaur?)

There are several portals throughout the world that these reptillians use to connect to our dimension, and upstate New York is home to one. The Denver area also has one. And... duh duh duh... the biggest one is in the Persian Gulf. Surprise surprise. According to this book, this war is not about oil, it's about ownership of that portal.

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 Message 35 of 49 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameAvidlySent: 5/1/2007 6:00 PM
Different cover than what i saw, but the content sounds the same.

 Message 36 of 49 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameSmigChickSent: 5/1/2007 6:18 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to find that reptilian aliens (or alien reptiles? lol) had everything to do with MK-ULTRA.

 Message 37 of 49 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nicknamebreeze_tiogaSent: 5/1/2007 6:21 PM
Here's another one...
Book Description
The roots of coincidence and conspiracy in American politics, crime, and culture are examined in this book that exposes new connections between religion, political conspiracy, and occultism. From ancient American civilization and the mysterious mound-builder culture to the Salem witch trials, the birth of Mormonism during a ritual of ceremonial magic by Joseph Smith, Jr., and Operations Paperclip and Bluebird. Though not a work of speculative history, this exposé is founded on primary source material and historical documents. Fascinating details are revealed, including the bizarre world of "wandering bishops" who appeared throughout the Kennedy assassinations; a CIA mind control program run amok in the United States and Canada; a famous American spiritual leader who had ties to Lee Harvey Oswald in the weeks and months leading up to the assassination of President Kennedy; and the "Manson secret."

 Message 38 of 49 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameAvidlySent: 5/1/2007 9:24 PM
it's gotta be the same book. I remember them talking about the Kennedy assasination. Bobby's too. the theory is that somewhere in California there is a camp where they kidnap people, and brainwash them into doing their dirty work. Nobody understands why Oswald or Sirhan Sirhan did what they did. Wouldn't that make sense?

 Message 39 of 49 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nicknamebreeze_tiogaSent: 5/2/2007 3:38 AM
Ok... years ago, I read an article about this very very secretive cult type place in California.... damn... I'm gonna have to do some digging.  I'm not sure if I posted about it on this board, or the old loft.
Anyway, most, if not all, the members were political people.
This is really starting to freak me out.

 Message 40 of 49 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nicknamebreeze_tiogaSent: 5/2/2007 3:21 PM
Bohemian Grove maybe...

 Message 41 of 49 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameAvidlySent: 5/2/2007 5:12 PM
It's like your worst nightmares coming true.

do you think this is why they press Christianity so hardcore? Not only to cover up their acts, but to scare the public away from learning anything about the occult, including this??

Did you see the part where they believe Bush's grandfather stole Geromino's bones and use the skull as part of their rituals? *shudder*

 Message 42 of 49 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameStephenYzedSent: 5/10/2007 10:32 PM
They had some of these followers on CSI, last week.

 Message 43 of 49 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameAvidlySent: 5/11/2007 7:43 PM
I saw previews of that. Didn't get to see the episode.

 Message 44 of 49 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nicknamebreeze_tiogaSent: 5/11/2007 7:48 PM
( geez... I kept typing Acidly   lol )
It was a great episode! 

 Message 45 of 49 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameAvidlySent: 5/11/2007 8:01 PM
tell me about it? what was the storyline?

 Message 46 of 49 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nicknamebreeze_tiogaSent: 5/11/2007 8:11 PM
Well, basically... there was a scammer guy that was able to make people believe that political figures, and police officers, etc... were really reptilian aliens.
and I'm a real crappy story teller.... so the link is here...  
At Connors' ranch, Grissom stumbles upon a 16 millimeter film of a professor with some unconventional beliefs. He says that beings from the constellation Draco have been mating with humans on Earth for years, creating a dangerous race of reptilian aliens. The only way to kill a reptilian is to cut off its head. Sara asks, "So Connors cut off her head because he thought she was a serpent from outer space?"

In interrogation, Grissom sits across from Shannon as Brass grills her. She refuses to admit that she killed Chyna, but does explain that Preston is a "great man," who possesses the wisdom of the ages. Oh, and he's 4000 years old. Somehow, Preston has convinced Shannon that Chyna was a Reptilian alien, and that by killing her she was the Protector of the human race.



 Message 47 of 49 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nicknamebreeze_tiogaSent: 3/18/2008 2:26 PM
More stuff about NY...

It has been theorized that aliens ?and perhaps ghosts and shadow people as well ?are actually beings from a dimension of time and space beyond our own. For their own mysterious reasons, they sometimes pay a visit to our plane of existence. They may appear as fleeting shadows, vaporous apparitions, or as creatures piloting strange aircraft. Why do they come here? Are they studying us, or are they merely observers on a recreational sightseeing tour of planet Earth? Did David Crow and two colleagues encounter these interdimensional tourists one spring night in the mountains of New York State? This is David’s story?

I AM A 61-year-old retired sheriff’s deputy. This event happened to me and two other officers one night while we were off duty on a fishing trip.

We were in upstate New York, up in the Adirondack Mountains. It was April 18th, 2004.

We had just come in from the fishing boat and were tying in to the dock. While I was tying down my corner, I thought I saw a blue light flash across the lake. I looked up, and just as I did, I noticed that my two buddies looked up as well. The color of the flash reminded me of those “blacks lights?that are popular with kids, and it appeared to be about the size of a softball tossed into the air.

We watched this light for a good five or six seconds. It started to slow down considerably when it got to the opposite side of the lake. It then started descending toward the ground slowly near a farm silo just on the other side. The farm hadn’t been used in at least ten years. We watched this thing move down and down, until we could not see it in the sky anymore, but we could still see the colored glow shining into the air.


Being police officers, we decided to investigate this phenomenon. Each of us quickly untied our ropes and jumped back into the boat. We made it across the lake in about five minutes, tops.

As we docked the boat on a friend’s dock, who was away at the time, we looked in the direction of where the light was ?approximately 300 yards away. It was now pulsating and no longer a steady glow. It was just behind the old silo and so we walked in that direction quite cautiously, yet very excited and quick.

When we reached the silo, suddenly the glow became solid again and stopped pulsing. The three of us, walking side by side, each with a pocket knife in hand, made it around to the other side where the light was coming from.

What we saw then was something I have never seen, or even could have fathomed?

It was a glowing circle or sphere about the size of a Volkswagen beetle, still the “black light?color. This sphere was transparent, and inside of it we saw what looked exactly like two humans ?a male and a female ?sitting facing one another. Yet there were no visible seats beneath them.

The woman had long blonde hair and was clothed in gray and black. The male had medium-length blond hair with similar clothes. The three of us all watched for a few seconds before we looked at each other, and almost simultaneously said, "Are we really seeing this?"

Each of us started whispering to each other what we were seeing, and all our descriptions were the exactly the same. As we were standing only about 25 to 30 feet away from this object, we clearly saw that the male and female had their hands pressed against each other’s and their eyes were closed.

The sphere surrounding them had an almost fluid look to it, yet seemed solid at the same time. Does that make sense? Well, it didn’t make much to us.


I had my cigarettes in my shirt pocket, so I pulled them out nervously. As I went to light a cigarette and just got my lighter flicked and cig lit, the female turned and looked directly at us. My buddy Tom elbowed me and said, "Great. Now we have been seen."

I did not feel any fear whatsoever, and later found out neither of them were fearful either. I know this is all very hard to believe. Just imagine us trying to believe it while seeing it up close!

After the female looked at us, she smiled very pleasantly and took one hand away from her mate’s. He then looked directly at us and smiled ?a very humbling smile. We all looked at each other again, like, "Seriously?" Her hand movement looked as if it was a slight wave, and the male proceeded to follow.

My two friends did not move, but just kept staring. I, however, raised my hand for some odd reason as to wave back. As I did, the two beings looked at each other and smiled. The female then reached her hand outside of the sphere and picked up what looked like some grass. They then closed their eyes again, put their hands back up to one another’s, and the sphere began ascending slowly at about the speed of a helicopter ascending! The only noise emitted was a very faint hum, almost like a powerful household ion air cleaner, if that makes sense.

The sphere rose to about 50 or 60 feet, and we could see that both the male and female were looking down at us; we could see their heads turn and look down in our direction. Shortly after, I’d say five to ten seconds, the sphere took off quite rapidly. It got smaller and smaller, ascending maybe 20 feet every couple of seconds. It took off directly toward the constellation of Orion, which was visible in the clean night sky, until we could not see the sphere anymore. It seemed to have faded right into the third star in Orion’s belt.

And then ?poof! ?we were back in the dark by the silo. We had no flashlights and were almost blind from having all that light and then sudden darkness. We held onto each other to keep from stumbling as we headed back to the boat. That night we sat outside of the camper and recounted and wrote down everything each of us saw. We later compared our notes, and all of them were the same.

To this day, all three of us remember it and don’t tell this story to many people. Our families know, and they do believe us, or so they say. A few others here and there know. But this was just as real as anything else I had ever experienced.

I wonder?has anyone else had something like this happen?

 Message 48 of 49 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameSmigChickSent: 3/21/2008 8:57 PM
I don't know that I can believe this dude, lol, but man...would that NOT be the most ultimate experience to have?
Reminds me of the device from "Contact".
I do think this is totally believable, I'm just not sure I believe the guy telling the story. If that makes sense, lol.

 Message 49 of 49 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameAvidlySent: 3/28/2008 10:43 PM
it really makes you wonder what the heck is going on everywhere else but here.

When I was at the tv station and just getting into my ghosthunting, I didn't have to hide it there, people thought it was cool. One of the older directors came to me when he knew we would be alone and uninterrupted, and he confided in me a story kinda like that last one.

About 20 years ago, he and his friends were on a fishing trip in northern Minnesota, out on the boat really late at night. They could make out the shadow of someone/something running along the shore, like it was keeping up with the boat. He said it was so small they at first thought it was a little kid out by himself, but it was running so fast they ruled that out, and he said it wasn't like a normal run, of either a human or an animal, it was more like it was gliding, and it didn't make any sound, whereas you should have heard the grass and twigs breaking under its feet. I think eventually it disappeared so they couldn't see it anymore, but that last story reminded me of it, how the grown men were all stupefied at what they had seen, but they all knew they had seen the same thing. He swore me to secrecy cause he didn't want people thinking he was nuts, but he thought I would find his story interesting (and possibly be the only person who would believe him)

Such crazy things.

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