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Spiritual : So...this theory about God I mentioned last week...
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From: MSN NicknameSmigChick  (Original Message)Sent: 1/16/2008 6:23 PM
I'll tell ya right up front, this is nothing "new", lol. This must be something that many have mused before...it's just that as an entire concept it totally just hit me the other night when I was watching The Universe (and I recorded last nights' "Dark Matter" to watch later - I'm sure that will merely reinforce it).
 
If you watch documentary-type shows about our universe, you might start to feel kind of overwhelmed by the concept. Here we are on this gigantic planet Earth - well, it sure seems gigantic to us inhabitants - and we see our big ol' moon up there, and we know that the sun is humongous and really hot (lol), and we humans have developed a level of comfort with all that and while it might make us feel "small" at times, it doesn't necessarily blow our minds.
 
But when we start getting 'out there', when we look at all the other planets in our solar system - and all their moons - and the asteroid belt and all that vastness of space inbetween us all, we start to get that "woah" feeling. That "Milky Way" we've always seen seems more a nocturnal "painting" than anything else. And when we get an idea as to its size, and that it really exists and what it encompasses, it really knocks us out.
 
And THEN, we move out beyond it and, thanks to the Hubble, we can see jillions and jillions of other galaxies...and when we stop and think about that, and how we're only seeing a fragment of them, and how far away we all are from each other, and then we see all the 'mysteries' that are out there - black holes, white holes, novae, pulsars, etc. - our minds are boggled to one degree or another...
 
Ok, so that's sort of the background - watching these types of shows ultimately makes me giggle at the thought of just how tiny and insignificant we are, and it almost makes you start to wonder if maybe this "cycle of life" really is all there is. That once your body has died, what made you 'you' recycles back into the earth to continue its rebirth, and you start to ponder if that's all there is after all.
 
So I'm watching this thing and I actually had to pause it for a few minutes because this thought was just so overwhelming for me.
 
Again, I'm positive this concept is nothing new, but I still want to explain how it came over me, lol.
 
You take the Big Bang, right? And you consider there's this teeny, tiny little atom - maybe it was actually just a molecule! - that just suddenly BURST forth and blew out all this condensed energy and matter in every direction. And eventually, after billions of "years" (in our measurement of years), our own galaxy, then solar system forms, and then our planet takes shape, and then 'life' exists, and then it evolves until ultimately, here we are...
 
And I started thinking.."what if"? What if that little molecule was what we call "God", and it had literally always existed, but was "asleep", and when the "bang" happened, it woke God up (cuz it was probably REALLY loud, lol), and in that moment of awareness, God realized that it had always been (and always will be) and that this moment was part of the GREAT cycle, and everything that was, is and would be all happened in that nano-second, and is just all being played out in linear fashion. That it had all come full circle innumerable times, because this process happens over and over again, and reverses itself, and goes forward again, and yet hasn't moved one bit. (confusing, lol) And in space there really is no actual 'time' anyway, so in that respect it makes total sense.
 
And this God-ness is not only the beginning of all that we know and understand, but that everything we know and understand, everything we can see (and everything we can't see), including our very selves, are all derived from this God-molecule. Which means we're all a part of God - and when we say "God is inside you", we are being literal rather than spiritual. So when our 'matter' dies, our 'energy' is free to reunite with the whole again, since we always were a part of that anyway (we just get disconnected from it because our 'matter' always gets in the way, lol). And when that particular 'energy' goes back away from the whole again, taking material form, it may or may not return to this planet, or even to this galaxy!
 
LOL, I have to step away from it now. Mind-numbing.... And I can't even find a way to fully express my thoughts right now.
 
But that's the gist of it - something I'd mentioned in passing last week (or week before?), and I did say I'd be posting about it. So I did. LOL
 


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From: MSN NicknameSmigChickSent: 1/16/2008 8:56 PM
LOL - I'll have to check that out from home, time to splitoli.
 
I'm sure I'll have to pause too.

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From: MSN Nickname-jujub-Sent: 1/16/2008 10:25 PM
My mind just can't seem to grasp infinity. It's always looking for the "end" of it.

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From: MSN NicknameZelfrieda1Sent: 1/16/2008 11:14 PM
Its really not far from what we believe -that God is part of all of us. And the ashes to ashes, dust to dust thing fits.

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From: MSN NicknameSmigChickSent: 1/16/2008 11:42 PM
Its really not far from what we believe -that God is part of all of us
 
"We"? You mean, you and your family?
 

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From: MSN NicknameSmigChickSent: 1/16/2008 11:43 PM
Jujub, that's the most difficult part, imo. I mean, it's hard enough to fathom the vastness of the universey, but the concept of no beginning and no end, just...always was?
 
Mind-blowing.
 

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From: MSN NicknameSmigChickSent: 1/16/2008 11:43 PM
LMAO @ "universey".
 

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From: MSN Nickname-jujub-Sent: 1/16/2008 11:47 PM
We humans like to organize our world into neat little packages. So we invent miles, minutes, hours, pounds, inches, none of which really exist. But the way most of our brains are organized, it's the only way we can deal with the universe.
 
It's very interesting working with immigrants. They don't know their addresses, they don't wear watches, they don't have calendars. They come from places where everyone knows where they live and they live by season, sunrise and sunset and routines.

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From: MSN NicknameSmigChickSent: 1/16/2008 11:51 PM
I just read that antimatter stuff, breeze - and when they mentioned the gamma rays, it reminded me of another show I watched in the last week or so, all about "what if" pertaining to gamma rays. Did you see that one? It was awsome, man. These little bursts happen like once a day or something, and that's just from what we can see (which obviously isn't the entire universe, lol). The gamma rays are SO powerful - I think they said the most powerful thing in the universe, but of course, that's just of what we actually know thus far - that one from the opposite side of our galaxy would just obliterate us.
 
They talked about long burst and short burst types, but I think both are coming from a star. The long one (I think) comes from a star that goes nova, the short one comes from twin stars that finally collide when their orbit gets small enough. If I remember correctly, lol.
 
Here's the thing for me. The more I "learn" about the Universe, the less I could possibly ever doubt the existence of God. And I also think it's funny, but mark my words, in a reasonably short time, we're going to find that those 2 polar opposites - "science" and "religion" - will finally be determined to be one in the same. Whenever people stop being pig-headed, anyway. LOL

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From: MSN NicknameSmigChickSent: 1/16/2008 11:55 PM
Totally, jujub. Because we're "born" and know that we have a limited time before we "die", we are, by default (lol), linear critters. Even going by the seasons is still a method of measuring time-forward.
 
I wish I could elucidate what I perceive as this circle of time thing, where it's not linear, doesn't move in a straight-forward fashion, but is, was and will be, all in the same 'moment' (lol, again, have to use a term that measures time - how inappropriate for this construct). If I could, then I could comment more easily on how the ideas of past-lives - in particular, remembering past lives or at least knowing you're very drawn to certain periods in history for no known reason, so assume it must be from a past life memory - seem so natural to so many people. It's because we really did exist in that "time" - well, and still do, and will again. LOL
 
bleah - confused again....

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From: MSN NicknameAvidlySent: 1/17/2008 10:40 PM
my head hurts. lol

talk about coincidence, Donna was just discussing this sort of thing last night. oh damn, i forgot to ask about the oujia board again.

Anyway, Smig, if you haven't seen it, you would really enjoy the movie "What the Bleep Do We Know?" it's about quatum physics and all that stuff it's so hard to wrap our brains around.

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From: MSN NicknameSmigChickSent: 1/18/2008 6:08 PM
Totally sounds like something I'd enjoy!
 
I watched more of the Dark Matter/Dark Energy episode last night. I might've made it all the way through without falling asleep (it was after midnight - I had no business still being awake anyway, lol) if I didn't have to pause and rewind it all the time, lol. Some of the data goes by SO fast!!
 
 
Hahahaha...and now I'm sitting here, wanting to express a though, and my mind is a-jumble with all this information and I'm just "boggled". The concept of the traditional God of Abraham is bigger than we are, and can be sorta confusing, but I think there's some element of "comfort zone" in that it has become such a pervasive part of our culture and mind-set. But when you take a step back from that, look at the bigger picture - the much bigger picture, lol - and consider that God is beyond just "watching over humans on earth" and isn't some bearded white dude but is EVERYTHING in the cosmos....and then you watch programs like this that attempt to demonstrate just how vast said cosmos are, and how old it is, and where it's likely heading, etc., it is so way way way bigger than we are, it just blows your fookin' mind. And I'm at a loss for words, as far as connecting this thought to that thought, etc. (you know?)
 
Dang, man.
 

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From: MSN NicknameSmigChickSent: 1/18/2008 6:08 PM
So what did Donna say?
 

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From: MSN NicknameSmigChickSent: 1/18/2008 6:09 PM
thought
 
I want to express a "thought", not a "though"....lol
 

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From: MSN NicknameAvidlySent: 1/19/2008 4:25 AM
She talked about how the universe is so vast, but yet we're all connected to one another,  we are all one. Quantum physics hints at that notion.    Atoms are made of small particles seperated by a lot of air.   We're made of atoms, so that means we're pretty much made up of nothing more than air as well.   Where do I stop and this keyboard begins?   Why did my hip temporarily give out the same night my grandpa broke his?  Because we're all one.
 
(that's the jist of her beliefs, don't ask for more specifics because I can't remember it well enough to explain it!)

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From: MSN NicknameSmigChickSent: 1/19/2008 4:38 AM
 
Yep, that's pretty much what I believe, too. Especially the part about all the air. Like politicians.
 
 
But really, that's pretty much how I see it as well. It kinda goes beyond Jung's Collective Unconscious but it's pretty much like that.
 
And I think that (I hope I can make this clear, lol) when we feel a certain affinity towards or are drawn towards certain people but not others, I think it's because our "atoms" are closely related - like, after the "split" (big bang), gajillion-bajillions of these atoms went every which-a-way. And when we run into the atoms that were "connected" to us or close-by when we were in that original nucleus (? for lack of a better word, lol), we're more drawn to them, we "connect" with them. And when the rarest among us is fortunate enough to connect with their twin atom, they have found what could be called a "twin soul". (I do believe that our "soul mate" is on the other side, guiding us through the present "lifetime"....not that there's really a "past" or a "future" though, lol - GAH!)
 
  breathing....
 
I suddenly remember that I've actually read about that theory somewhere. Hmmm...I'm seeing binary. Like 2, 4, 8...atoms that split off from each other and are the closest ones. Which is probably akin to the notion that we recycle from life to life with pretty much the same souls around - sometimes they come first, sometimes we do, sometimes we arrive pretty much at the same time. Linear-ly speaking of course. Which, in the long run, is completely irrelevant.
 
breathing...
 

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