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 | | From:  Bro_Bryan (Original Message) | Sent: 7/1/2008 12:37 AM |
I use to agree with capital punishment 100%. Now I'm not so sure anymore, seeing numerous people being freed from prisons because DNA proved their innocence. How about you? Yes or No? Why? |
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 | | From:  rapsson | Sent: 7/8/2008 12:55 AM |
Sometimes the innocent pay the price for the wicked. That's just the way it is. That does not make it right though. |
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Was it right for Jesus who was sinless, to die for the sins of the world? If not why not? |
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Was it right for Jesus who was sinless, to die for the sins of the world? Good point Sky, but I don't think that has anything to do with capital punishment. |
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 | | From:  rapsson | Sent: 7/8/2008 5:01 AM |
No skyangel. It was not"right" that Jesus who was innocent died for ALL of us who are wicked but GOD decreed that it would be so because there could only be ONE way for us to be redeemed and that was through the PERFECT and sinless blood of Christ. There can be no comparison to the capital punishment that is metered out by man upon man. For one it is only the guilty man and the innocent man who truly knows the Truth of the matter and the death has no significance on mankind as a whole like Christ's did. For another, the judge who casts death or life upon the wicked in his court of law is falliable; where Our Judge, God our Father who decreed that Jesus should die in our place and that we should ALL know this regardless of our crimes, is perfect beyond comparison. Our earthly judges use the law which is imperfect but God is perfect. |
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#12 Why not? The wages of sin is DEATH. Is that not Gods capital punishment of sinners? Should we not take our example from HIM ? |
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#13 rapsson said ... It was not"right".....etc Skyangel says : Are you implying that God did something that was not "right"? |
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Rapsson said it correctly. It was not right for Christ to be executed by people because He was innocent of all charges. You note she put "right" in quotation marks. A person who knows the English language understands the meaning of that. It was right for God's purposes, but not right from human standards of justice which were given to us by God Himself, so desist from trying to pick a fight where nothing was done wrong. |
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 | | From:  rapsson | Sent: 7/9/2008 2:31 AM |
#15 As MrWonder said "right" is in quotation marks. You might also want to pay attention to the rest of my post ... there is a but in there. God is perfect (I already said that too) so what He does for His purpose is always right. |
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I am not picking any fights I am merely pointing out that what is Right to God is not necessarily seen as right by carnally minded people. |
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Great question Bro Bryan, I am always against capital punishment, I believe that God will take care of those who are evil and God is the only one who will take ourlives and not man. I know that there's many evil people who killed children, teenagers, mothers, fathers etc...but let God deal with them and not man. Well, that's my opinion  so I will say yes I am against capital punishment 100%. Love in Christ Daizy |
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 | | From:  rapsson | Sent: 7/9/2008 9:33 PM |
Skyangel, God's will - to bring about His Purpose and His Glory - is perfect. In that way God's will for Jesus was perfect. If we are talking about justice however, it was not "right" that Jesus die in our place, it is only "right" that we die for our sins. But - and you know how the story goes so don't think I'm trying to make you suck eggs - because a perfect sacrifice is the only acceptable one to God then only perfect blood could be spilled. This situation does not fit with what you said about the innocent dying for the wicked in a capital crime scenario. The innocent is not spilling his perfect blood for the sanctification of the wicked - no, an error of judgement has occured. God did not err when Jesus died; but man errs quite seriously, when he kills someone for a crime under our law that he did not commit. |
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Vengence is mine saith the Lord. So, let God execute judgment on all who have sinned. We can't give life, therefore we should not take a life. Since the wages of sin is death, then let God be God a mete out His judgment on whomsoever He pleases. That person that somebody wants to use capital punishment on might get saved, if given a few more days. Maybe he/she hasn't heard the truth about Jesus, and the next person that comes to minister to the prisoners gets through to him/her. Who are we to decide when someone lives or dies. Let God be God. |
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 | | From:  Kiki40 | Sent: 7/14/2008 4:50 AM |
The "vengeance is mine" verse is applicable to vengeance, but the execution of justice was never considered "vengeance." |
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 | | From: trisha | Sent: 7/14/2008 6:13 AM |
The wages of sin is truly death....Death of the soul that lives eternal. In reality there is no death. I do not believe in capital punishment. An eye for and eye is no longer practice. |
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 | | From:  Kiki40 | Sent: 7/14/2008 11:14 AM |
Trisha, our judicial system is based upon the "eye for an eye" law of retribution, as is most other countries'. Its underlying principle is "punishment must fit the crime." When individual insult or injury is being considered in the case of persecution, however, the Christian is taught to live by the higher law of love. That teaching is not nullifying the law of retribution. Crime must still be dealt with in a just manner. People commonly misapply the law of retribution to the issues of capital punishment and war. It is error to do so. God still demands that justice be meted to the lawless, else the people are charged with sin for condoning crime. |
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