yep...Is he the author of bad hairdays also??!!  it is war!!!</STYLE>

I think it is spirirtual fire not fire as we know it. It only exist in a different dimension. Hell is in the center of the Earth but it will be cast into the Lake of Fire. Rev. says tormented day and night without rest forever.

You know when someone gets their leg amputated they say they can still feel their leg I think because we have spirit bodies that live in our fleshly body that is why they still feel their leg. There're feeling that spirit leg cause you can't amputate the spirit.You're spirit body looks just like you're fleshly body. there will be no new body given to people in Hell just their spirit or soul will be there.

B) HELL

- Hell is a place of torment, anguish, shame, remorse, memory.

Psalms 16:10 “For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.�?

Luke 16:19-26 "¹⁹  There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: ²⁰ And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, ²¹ And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. ²² And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; ²³ And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. ²⁴ And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. ²⁵ But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. ²⁶ And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence."

 

After Jesus crucifixion, and resurrection, again are 2 places, for the souls of the men which died:

- Heaven �?for the saints who were saved

- Hell �?for the wicked, unsaved

 

After the resurrections of the saved and unsaved, all men will have new bodies.

After the Judgments, Judment Seat of Christ (Bema), for saved, and White Throne Judgment, for saved and unsaved will be 2 new places, for all eternity, for bodily resurrected men:

- in God’s presence - New Heaven and Earth, rest, joy, happiness

- in the Lake of Fire �?separated from God, in torment, punishment, contempt. Lake of Fire is the second death

 

 

 

 

Revelation 20:10-15 �?/I>¹⁰ And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. ¹¹ And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. ¹² And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. ¹³ And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. ¹⁴ And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. ¹⁵ And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.�?

 

Very good 2GodBTRU7.  Im glad to see that someone agrees that God WILL INDEED torture the majority of his beautiful creation for ALL ETERNITY.  Its a beautiful thing.  We will be comforted at Abrahams side and watching  those tormented with unquenchable fire; of whom God will not even allow to die.  They were created by him and for him;  so he could torment them for ALL ETERNITY.  Only a few will make it through the narrow gate.  The rest will burn forever, they can only wish for death.  Yes it is true, our Omniscient God created us with the foreknowledge that the vast majority would reject him, and so he created them with an immortal soul which cannot be destroyed, but only tortured forever and ever.  I suppose our bliss in paradise would be rudely interrupted if the damned were momentarily relieved of their torment.

Hell is not the same in every verse in the Bible.

Fire is not the same in every verse in the Bible.

 

You gotta know the condition in which it is speaking.

 

Fire baptism

Jonah in the belly of hell

God is a consuming fire

two fold child of hell

 burning fire shut up in  my   bones

 

 

 

Good point BG

Dont you get exhausted by telling these close minded "Hell" believers the same thing over and over? I know I do.  If they want to believe in a Tyrant God then we might as well let them.  They will never be able to have a truely selfless love for God because their subconcious fear will always override any amount of "love" they claim to have for their Auscwitz Tyrant God that they worship.

JDL

 

You know it.

 

It would seem there would be more followers for Jesus if they really did believe in Hell out there.

 

 

Love is the Key not scaring them to death to follow the Lord.

 

 

 

Love is the one of the keys.In Jude it says some having compassion and others with fear pulling them out of the pit.

correct me if i'm wrong BG but it sounds as if you take pleasure in people going to hell and that you percieve God as taking pleasure in sending people to Hell.Is this accurate?

I dont think that is what BG is saying.  You probably read MY sarcastic post.

 

 

 

The Lake of fire is not a literal place, but like practically everything in the book of Revelation, it is a symbol. The scripture tells us it is the symbol of the "second death." (Revelation 20:14; 21:8) In saying "second death," it is distinguished from a "first death," a death that is in some way different from the "second death."

 

The first death is the death associated with hades. "Death" speaks of two different condemnations. The death -- condemnation -- which mankind is now dying is the that which is by means of Adam's sin. (Romans 5:12-19; 1 Corinthians 15:21,22) Based on 1 Corinthians 15:22, this death is often referred to as the "Adamic death." The condition that this death leads to is the Bible hell (hades, sheol). This condition is described in Ecclesiastes 9:10: "there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in Sheol, where you are going." All of us have been condemned through Adam's sin to this condemnation. -- Romasn 5:12-19; 1 Corinthians 15:21,22.

 

The ransom sacrifice of Jesus provides salvation from all who are under the condemnation of Adam, or in the Bible hell (Hosea 13:14; Romans 5:12-19; 1 Corinthians 15:21,22; 1 Timothy 2:5,6; 1 John 2:2), so that they may be released from the condemnation of Adamic death or the condition of hades/sheol in the "last day," for a resurrection of judgment (John 5:29, Greek, krisis; Revelation 20:13), a judging that is separate from the judgment now placed upon mankind through Adam. -- John 3:17; 12:46,48.

 

With Satan abyssed so that he will not be able to blind the heathen in that age to come (Revelation 20:3; 2 Corinthians 4:4), the book of life will be opened to them, and books of the new convenant will also be opened to them, and they will be judged individually according to their works by the things that are recorded in the books that opened to them in that age to come, in that "last day" judgment that Jesus spoke of. (Isaiah 2:22-4; Revelation 20:12,13) In the meantime, God has been selecting a few from amongst mankind to serve with Jesus as the "seed of Abraham" that is to bring the blessings of the "last day" judgment upon mankind. -- Genesis 22:18; Galatians 3:16,26-29; Isaiah 2:2-4; Daniel 7:22; 2 Corinthians 6:2; Revelation 20:4.

 

The Revelation says that all in death and hades are raised to be judged by the books that are opened to them at that time. After being emptied, then death and hades is thrown into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:13) Death and hades are then destroyed in the lake of fire, they are thrown into the lake of fire to have a conscious suffering for all eternity. "Death will be no more." (Revelation 21:4) Likewise, all those who fail to get their names written in the book of life after the day of judgment are destroyed in the lake of fire. "The wicked will be no more." (Psalm 37:10) The idea that they will be kept alive and be suffering for all eternity is not in the Bible.

 

All who are cast into the lake of fire will suffer eternal punishment: eternal death. There is no ransom sacrifice given for any who are in the lake of fire. However, the ransom sacrifice of Jesus does cover all in hades, and all in hades are released therefrom so that they might be judged, not in Adam, but of their own works.

 

The concern of most people regarding Revelation 20:10 is over the word "tormented" that appears in most Bible translations in this verse. Please note that whatever is meant here, it is not referring to humans, or humans after death, but a symbol called a "wild beast", another symbol called "the false prophet", and the Devil (evidently also a symbol representing not the person of Satan himself but his works) joins these symbolisms in the lake of fire. Very few will claim that a literal wild beast with literal seven heads and literal seven horns will be in literal fire for all eternity.

Revelation 20:9 tells of the destruction of those individuals who join with Satan in the last rebellion; and verse 15 tells of that same destruction in other words, using the symbol "lake of fire." They are devoured or consumed in fire. This being the case, the torment of verse 10 cannot refer to these humans who are consumed, destroyed. Hence the question narrows down to this: "Will Satan and a false prophet and a beast be tortured forever? Does this verse teach this?"

We answer in God's own words: "All the wicked will he destroy." (Psalm 145:20) "The wicked will be no more." -- Psalm 37:10.

The beast and false prophet systems, which during the Gospel Age have deceived many, will be cast into a great consuming trouble in the close of this Gospel Age. The "torment" -- the judgmental testing -- of these systems will be aionian, that is, lasting. The systems, as such, will be destroyed at the end of this age. The system of error that will suddenly manifest itself at the end of the Millennial Age and lead the "goats" to destruction, will also be consumed. (Revelation 20:7-10) Thus here Satan is added to the false prophet and the beast and is said to be "tormented day and night forever and ever." (Revelation 20:10) Recognizing that the beast and the false prophets are symbols for systems, we see that no humans are said to be so "tormented day and night forever and ever." The lake of fire, we have seen, for humans, simply means the second death, a death from which no ransom, no sacrifice, is provided. The fire of this lake, however, is Yahweh's everlasting fire of jealousy which exterminates anything that it out of hamony with his righteous principles. Thus, by extension, it becomes a symbol of destruction. Thus what does this "torment" consist of?

Let us examine the Greek word used here, basanizo, Strong's #928. Its root is Strong's #931, basanos. Strong gives the meaning of #928 as "torture." However, he gives its root the following meaning: "a touch-stone, i.e. (by anal.) torture." Related to this is Strong's #929, basanismos, which Strong defines as torture. According to Vine #931 means "primarily `a touchstone,' employed in testing metals"; then he adds to this: "hence, `torment,' is used (a) of physical diseases, Matt. 4:24: (b) of a condition of retribution in Hades Luke 16:23, 28." Regarding basanizo (#928), Vine states that it "properly signifies `to test by rubbing on the touchstone' (basanos, `a touchstone'), then, `to question by applying torture'; hence `to vex, torment'; in the passive voice, `to be harassed, distressed'; it is said of men struggling in a boat against wind and waves, Matt. 14:24, RV, `distressed' (KJV, `tossed'); Mark 6:48, RV, `distressed' (KJV, `toiling')" According to A New Greek and English Lexicon, by George Dunbar, A.M.,F.R.S.E. basanosmeans: "Literally -- to put to the touchstone, to put to the proof. To try, prove, examine carefully, investigate carefully, investigate closely. To torture in order to discover the truth." The New Testament Greek Lexicon based on Thayer's and Smith's Bible Dictionary gives the following meanings: "1. to test (metals) by the touchstone, which is a black siliceous stone used to test the purity of gold or silver by the colour of the streak produced on it by rubbing it with either metal 2. to question by applying torture 3. to torture 4. to vex with grievous pains (of body or mind), to torment 5. to be harassed, distressed a. of those who at sea are struggling with a head wind"
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What does all of the above mean? It simply means that basanizo, as used in Revelation 20:10, is the verb form of basanos, literally, "touchstoned" or "used as a touchstone." A touchstone is defined as: "1. A fine-grained dark stone formerly used to test the fines of gold and silver by the color of the streak made on the stone. 2. A criterion or standard by which the qualities of something are tested." (Funk & Wagnalls) Thus the beast, false prophet and Satan the Devil, as symbols, will be used as a touchstone for all eternity, a striking tool by which to contrast Yahweh's righteous kingdom as opposed to the kingdoms of this present evil world. All creation will look upon the works of the beast, false prophet and the serpent as a reminder never to return to such an arrangement again.

Revelation 19:3, speaking of a system described as Babylon the Great, "the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth," (Revelation 17:5) says, "Her smoke rose up forever and ever." That is to say, the remembrance ("smoke") of the destruction of these systems of deception and error will be lasting, the lesson will never be forgotten--as smoke, which continues to ascend after a destructive fire, is testimony that the fire has done its work. -- See also Isaiah 34:8-10.

Of Revelation 14:9-11 we remark, incidentally, that all will at once concede that if a literal worshipping of a beast and image were meant in verse 9, then few, if any, in civilized lands are liable to the penalty of verse 11. In other words, who would be deceived by a literal beast with seven heads and ten horns coming out the literal sea? (Revelation 13:1); and if the beast, his image, wine and cup are symbols, so also would be the "torments {verbal form of touchstone), and smoke and fire and brimstone.

The casting of death and hades into the lake of fire symbolizes the eternal destruction of condemnation in Adam and its wages, death in Adam. During the Millennial age, their destruction is a part of the utter destruction which will include every improper, injurious and useless thing. (Isaiah 11:9; Psalm 101:5-8) For the individuals who are released from hades, but who fail to get their names in the Lamb's Book of Life by obedience to the books that are opened to them at that time, the lake of fire will be thier second death, which will be final. The lake of fire, as symbolically holding those in this oblivious condition, is itself never destroyed. It will continue to hold its occupants in the realm of destruction, oblivion, for all eternity. The second death will never be destroyed. And let all the lovers of righteousness say, Amen; for to destroy the lake of fire, to remove the sentence of that just and impartial trial, would be to let loose again not only Satan's works, but all who love and practice wrong and deception, and who dishonor Yahweh with their evil institutions -- to oppose, offend and endeavor to overthrow those who love and desire to serve him and enjoy his favor. We rejoice that there is no danger of this, but that divine justice unites with divine wisdom, love and power, to bring in everlasting righteousness on a permanent basis.

Two time frame in which the lake of fire is used according to Rev. wordings.

Beginning or just before of the next 1,000 years and at the end.

 

Rev.19 and 20 and 21

 

So some can go into the Lake of Fire earlier than at the last judgment day.