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Blow a trumpet in Zion, consecrate a fast, proclaim a solemn assembly, JOE 2:15

The sound of a trumpet herald is recognized by all as the sound of announcement or alarm. The trumpet is actually an instrument of war. From ancient times to the present day, armies have used a horn or trumpet to send messages above the sound of battle. The sounding of reveille or taps is the beginning and end of a day. Taps is also sounded to memorialize those who have fallen and passed away. The sound of a charge is a special fanfare as well as the sound of retreat. An air raid siren or a civil defense alarm is really the sound of a trumpet or horn. Trucks and cars use horns to warn or complain of the traffic. Ships use horns for warning and when sailing in the fog. Old trains used to whistle but now they only sound a horn at a crossing.

The sound of a trumpet or a horn is able to pierce its surroundings, to be heard above all other sounds. Something about its tone is recognized and distinguished from all others. It is no surprise then to discover that the Lord has used the sound of a trumpet and a horn to communicate many aspects of our faith.

In fact, the Lord has instructed us to observe the Feast of Trumpets, a day of sounding trumpets (Yom Teruah). On the first of Tishri in the late summer, the Lord calls us to join Him in a Holy Convocation (an assembly) to hear the sound of the shofar (ram’s horn).

Speak to the sons of Israel, saying, "In the seventh month on the first of the month, you shall have a rest, a reminder by blowing of trumpets, a holy convocation." LEV 23:24

Now in the seventh month, on the first day of the month, you shall also have a holy convocation; you shall do no laborious work. It will be to you a day for blowing trumpets. NUM 29:1

The sounding of shofars and trumpets begins the 10 days of awe leading to the Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur). It is said that the last trumpet is sounded on the Day of Atonement concluding what was begun on the Feast of Trumpets.

The Feast of Trumpets is also referred to as Rosh HaShanah (Jewish New Year). It seems paradoxical since 1 Nisan in the springtime is called the head of months, but 1 Tishri is called the turn of the year. Trumpets are sounded to begin anew not only the new year, but a time of repentance (beginning anew again).

The Feast of Trumpets

The Feast of Trumpets is a time to sound all of the blasts of the horn, which include the tekiah, teruah, shevarim, and the tekiah hagadol. The tekiah is a short two-note blast; it designates a call to attention or the sound to gather. The teruah is a wavering tone similar to three tekiahs together. The word "teruah" is actually sounding out phonetically the wavering tone. The teruah is a reminder of the cry of a widow or an orphan. We are to be reminded of those who need our help as we hear this trumpet blast. The shevarim is a series of short staccato blasts (usually nine in number) that is a call to battle. It is like the General Quarters alarm for a battle. The final blast of the trumpet is the tekiah hagadol (the great blast). It is like a tekiah but it is held in a long blow as long as the trumpeter can give. It does not drift off at the end but instead hits an even higher note at the conclusion. This blast is considered to be the trumpet of the Lord. This is the blast that was heard at Mount Sinai when the Lord gave the Ten Commandments and the Torah. It is also expected that this blast will be at the end of the ages when the Lord returns with the resurrection/rapture of the saints.

Actually, there is a distinction with the Lord between trumpets and horns. Trumpets are actually made of metal to be instruments. A horn is the actual horn of an animal hollowed out to form a horn for sounding. Moses was instructed to make two silver trumpets along with the furnishings for the tabernacle. These were the trumpets of the temple. The ram’s horn dates back much earlier. The ram that was caught in the thicket by his horns was the actual sacrifice offered by Abraham and Isaac. Thus the sounding of a ram’s horn is a reminder of that offering. The horn cannot be heard unless the ram has been slain and offered.

Today, the sound of a ram’s horn is well known among messianic brethren.

Trumpets in the Temple

Make yourself two trumpets of silver, of hammered work you shall make them; and you shall use them for summoning the congregation and for having the camps set out. NUM 10:2

In the wilderness beginning with the tabernacle, the sounding of the silver trumpets is the most ancient evidence available explaining how trumpets summoned and directed the people. While both trumpets would summon all the people to the tent of meeting, a single trumpet was used to summon the leaders of the tribes. Depending on which flank was involved, a different trumpet call would alarm the camp. The job of sounding these trumpets was given to the priests.

The priestly sons of Aaron, moreover, shall blow the trumpets; and this shall be for you a perpetual statute throughout your generations. NUM 10:8

The very earliest festivals also began with trumpet calls as part of the festival.

Also in the day of your gladness and in your appointed feasts, and on the first days of your months, you shall blow the trumpets over your burnt offerings, and over the sacrifices of your peace offerings; and they shall be as a reminder of you before your God. I am the Lord your God. NUM 10:10

By the time the permanent temple location in Jerusalem was determined, David assembled not only the materials but also the musicians and their instruments for worship in the temple.

And David and all Israel were celebrating before God with all their might, even with songs and with lyres, harps, tambourines, cymbals, and with trumpets. 1CH 13:8

Thus all Israel brought up the ark of the covenant of the Lord with shouting, and with sound of the horn, with trumpets, with loud_sounding cymbals, with harps and lyres. 1CH 15:28

We can only imagine what the musical part of the worship was like in the temple. King David was himself a musician and sought to enhance and promote music in the temple. By the time that King Solomon dedicated the temple in Jerusalem, music was a central part of the proceedings with the Lord’s participation.

...in unison when the trumpeters and the singers were to make themselves heard with one voice to praise and to glorify the Lord, and when they lifted up their voice accompanied by trumpets and cymbals and instruments of music, and when they praised the Lord saying, "He indeed is good for His lovingkindness is everlasting," then the house, the house of the Lord, was filled with a cloud, 2CH 5:13

The Psalms are worship tunes used in the temple. While we do not yet know the melodies played, we do have the inspiring words. One in particular addresses how the trumpet and the shofar were dynamically used in the temple service.

With trumpets and the sound of the horn shout joyfully before the King, the Lord. PSA 98:6

There is another reference to trumpets in the temple but from a metaphoric point of view. The giving of money (terumah) was also common in the temple service but it was done in a unique way. They did not pass a plate or hat; there was no special ceremony to make a monetary offering; this type of giving was to be made privately and discretely. This was accomplished by a set of temple trumpets placed in the Court of Women to allow passersby to give their gifts in a discrete way. The containers that received these gifts were made of clay, shaped like the bell of a trumpet. The base was large and round at the bottom rising up to a narrow neck at the top. Sitting on the ground, they looked like large trumpets standing upright from the bell. They were thus called the temple trumpets. The narrow opening at the top would allow a giver to insert his gift, but the narrow neck prevented a hand from reaching further to retrieve anything. Their size also prevented them from being snatched and carried away. However, not everyone offered their terumah in a discrete way. Some made a spectacle of their gifts to draw attention to themselves. The Messiah and His disciples discussed this:

When therefore you give alms, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be honored by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. MAT 6:2

In the Hebrew, Yeshua was playing on the phonics of the two words terumah (offering) and teruah (trumpet). "When you give a terumah don’t pick up the temple trumpets and try to sound a teruah. In the actual language, I’m sure they had a chuckle to go along with the lesson on haughtiness, but this indicates how powerful the subject of trumpets was in the temple service.

There is another metaphor of sorts associated with the "horns" in the temple service. Again, a horn is an instrument made from the horn of an animal. It is sounded to proclaim announcements and warnings. Shofars were carried and sounded in front of a procession of the Ark of the Covenant. But God also instructed that the altar was to have horns placed on the corners.

And you shall make its [the fire altar] horns on its four corners; its horns shall be of one piece with it, and you shall overlay it with bronze. EXO 27:2

Then he made the altar of incense of acacia wood: a cubit long and a cubit wide, square, and two cubits high; its horns were of one piece with it. EXO 37:25

These horns were placed both on the fire altar and the golden altar. While the fire altar for sacrifices was outside while the golden altar of incense was inside the sanctuary. These horns did not serve any great function except to make the surface of the altar to be distinct from any point of view. There are minor references to a man clinging to the altar by the horns or binding something to the altar by way of the horns, but none of these truly explain the command from the Lord to have horns on the altar. We are left with this interesting metaphor that the "horns" of the altar sound the sacrifice offering (terumah) before the Lord. These are the true trumpets a holy man wants "sounded" when he offers his gift to the Lord.

A horn was also an ideal container for anointing oil in the temple.

Zadok the priest then took the horn of oil from the tent and anointed Solomon. Then they blew the trumpet, and all the people said, "Long live King Solomon!" 1KI 1:39

American frontiersmen used to carry their gun powder in a horn to keep it dry. This is also where we get the expression blowing a bull horn. However, shofars and the horns used by Israel were never bulls�?horns. All shofars are made from the curved horns of an ibex ram. The reason dates back to the sin of the golden calf in the wilderness. Therefore Israel does not use the horns of a bull–it is too much of a reminder of their previous mistake. A bull horn was never to be sounded in the temple.

Trumpets as an Instrument of War

And when you go to war in your land against the adversary who attacks you, then you shall sound an alarm with the trumpets, that you may be remembered before the Lord your God, and be saved from your enemies. NUM 10:9

In the wilderness the silver trumpets were the alarm signal for men to assemble at the perimeter of the camp. It was also a request from the people for the Lord to go out to face their enemies. This latter statement speaks to the spiritual aspect of godly courage.

Anytime that men must assemble to go to battle two very powerful elements face each other–fear and courage. The sounding of a trumpet in battle is supposed to make a soldier’s courage stronger than his fear. It is also used against the enemy to cause fear to be greater than his courage to fight. In ancient times, and still to this day, the sound of a trumpet charge is "bone-chilling" if you are the target of the charge. We have a profound example of this in the famous story of Joshua’s battle for Jericho. As you will recall, Israel walked around the walls of Jericho seven days blowing shofars until the seventh day when the walls came tumbling down.

Also seven priests shall carry seven trumpets of rams' horns before the ark; then on the seventh day you shall march around the city seven times, and the priests shall blow the trumpets. JOS 6:4

So the people shouted, and priests blew the trumpets; and it came about, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, that the people shouted with a great shout and the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight ahead, and they took the city. JOS 6:20

There is no question that trumpets played a major part in the capture of Jericho. Some have said that the resonance of the trumpets and the vibrations of the walking may have weakened the wall structure for the collapse, but this has never been duplicated. Another battle between the Israelites and Midianites is much more understandable. It, too, involved trumpets.

Gideon was instructed by the Lord to assemble a very small force (by ancient standards) to fight the Midianites. He used only three hundred men and armed each of them with a trumpet and a lamp. In ancient times, it was common for a group of armed men to have one trumpet and one lamp for every 1000 armed soldiers. Therefore, Gideon’s 300 men in the nighttime appeared to be 300,000 troops.

And he divided the 300 men into three companies, and he put trumpets and empty pitchers into the hands of all of them, with torches inside the pitchers. JDG 7:16

Gideon then gave instructions for the men to be divided into three groups surrounding the camp of the Midianites.

When I and all who are with me blow the trumpet, then you also blow the trumpets all around the camp, and say, "For the Lord and for Gideon." JDG 7:18

The appropriate time came for Gideon’s plan to be implemented.

So Gideon and the hundred men who were with him came to the outskirts of the camp at the beginning of the middle watch, when they had just posted the watch; and they blew the trumpets and smashed the pitchers that were in their hands. When the three companies blew the trumpets and broke the pitchers, they held the torches in their left hands and the trumpets in their right hands for blowing, and cried, "A sword for the Lord and for Gideon!" JDG 7:19-20

In the darkness the surprised Midianites thought they were surrounded by 300,000 troops. In their panicked attempts to escape they actually attacked each other in the night, resulting in a great victory for Gideon. The sounding of the trumpets was crucial. Not only did it awaken the enemy still in a stupor but it incited panic and fear in their hearts. The Midianites were destroyed by their own fear. This same fear is referred to by the prophet Amos.

If a trumpet is blown in a city will not the people tremble? If a calamity occurs in a city has not the Lord done it? AMO 3:6

This is the same "fear" referenced for a future battle to come �?the Day of the Lord.

A day of trumpet and battle cry, against the fortified cities and the high corner towers. ZEP 1:16

Trumpets for Warning/Announcement

The sounding of a trumpet is not always to incite fear. More often, the sounding of the trumpet is to raise awareness of impending danger or the clear announcement of an event. This the nature of the instructions given by the prophet Ezekiel when he explained the duties of the watchman to those who would hear his warning.

...then he who hears the sound of the trumpet and does not take warning, and a sword comes and takes him away, his blood will be on his own head. He heard the sound of the trumpet, but did not take warning; his blood will be on himself. But had he taken warning, he would have delivered his life. But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and a sword comes and takes a person from them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require from the watchman's hand. EZE 33:4-6

In this instruction, the watchman is told that he must sound the trumpet alarm to warn the people. If he fails to sound the alarm, he will be held accountable. If he does sound the alarm, the accountability falls to those who did not heed the alarm.

Trumpets are also used to make announcements or to draw attention to something happening or being said. This is the case for the Apostle John in his account in the book of Revelations.

I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like the sound of a trumpet, REV 1:10

Many believe that the revelator in the book of Revelations was Yeshua the Messiah. When John turned he saw the Messiah. But on closer examination, it is clear that the angel who showed John those things was not the Messiah Himself, he was an angel that had the voice like a trumpet, meaning that his voice commanded John’s attention, just as a trumpet gets our attention.

After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven, and the first voice which I had heard, like the sound of a trumpet speaking with me, said, "Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after these things." REV 4:1

This is not the only reference to trumpets in the book of Revelations. This is only an example of how the meaning of trumpets commanded John’s attention and our resulting attention to what John wrote in the book.

Trumpets in the Book of Revelations

And I saw the seven angels who stand before God; and seven trumpets were given to them. And the seven angels who had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound them. REV 8:2-6

The book of Revelations lists three major groupings of God’s judgments: seals with four horsemen, trumpet judgments, and bowls of plagues. In this article we are concerned with the trumpet judgments.

The seven trumpet judgments are as follows:

1. A third of trees and all grass is burned

2. A mountain is thrown into the sea with a third of the sea destroyed

3. A star falls destroying a third of fresh waters

4. A third of the atmosphere is darkened from the sun, moon, and stars

5. First Woe: A star strikes the earth causing darkness and demons

6. Second Woe: the death of 1/3 of mankind in a single hour, day, month, and year

7. Third Woe: Wrath and Reward �?the Day of the Lord.

In simple terms, the trumpets of Revelations are called the one-third judgments. But before we leave this list, we should take note of how the sixth angel is sounded.

And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God, one saying to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, "Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates." And the four angels, who had been prepared for the hour and day and month and year, were released, so that they might kill a third of mankind. And the number of the armies of the horsemen was two hundred million; I heard the number of them. And this is how I saw in the vision the horses and those who sat on them: the riders had breastplates the color of fire and of hyacinth and of brimstone; and the heads of the horses are like the heads of lions; and out of their mouths proceed fire and smoke and brimstone. A third of mankind was killed by these three plagues, by the fire and the smoke and the brimstone, which proceeded out of their mouths. REV 9:13-18

This is a comparable judgement to the fourth seal where one-fourth of mankind dies as result of war and pestilence. This judgment, however, comes upon mankind in one hour. There is only one weapon that can produce such destruction �?thermonuclear war. Did you take note of how the judgment is first pronounced?

. . . from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God

As suggested earlier, the horns of the altar are used to make a sound. They are not just ornamental in appearance.

The last three trumpet judgments are characterized as the "three woes" for added emphasis. They are heralded by an eagle in flight.

And I looked, and I heard an eagle flying in midheaven, saying with a loud voice, "Woe, woe, woe, to those who dwell on the earth, because of the remaining blasts of the trumpet of the three angels who are about to sound!" REV 8:13

There are very few things in this world that compare to the sound of a trumpet for its ability to make an announcement. One is the territorial roar of a lion (heard for up to five miles away) and the screech of an eagle high in the sky (heard from great distances).

The Trumpet of God

At Mount Sinai, Moses was instructed to prepare the people for the Lord to come down on the mountain and speak to the people. The Lord used the sound of a ram’s horn both to gather and to warn the people at the same time. It was imperative that the people not touch any part of the mountain, but to only assemble at the base.

No hand shall touch him, but he shall surely be stoned or shot through; whether beast or man, he shall not live. When the ram's horn sounds a long blast, they shall come up to the mountain. EXO 19:13

It was at Mount Sinai that when God spoke many rocks split and fell from the mountain, thus the warning against touching or being close to the mountain. The book of Hebrews references this event and gives emphasis to the sounding of the trumpet along with God’s actual spoken words.

...and to the blast of a trumpet and the sound of words which sound was such that those who heard begged that no further word should be spoken to them. HEB 12:19

This is the context for the prophet Joel to prepare us for the Lord’s return and His coming down to us.

Blow a trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm on My holy mountain! Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble, for the day of the Lord is coming; surely it is near, JOE 2:1

When we remember the story of the shofar and the voice of God at Mount Sinai, we tend to under-appreciate what really happened. We tend to imagine an angel blowing the trumpet and then God speaking the ten commandments. However, the Scripture elsewhere tries to give us a better understanding. First, it wasn’t an angel that sounded the trumpet; it was the Lord Himself! The account of Exodus does not say that any angel blew the horn; instead, the trumpet is sounded with lightning, thunder, and quaking. The Scripture says that the trumpet grew louder and louder.

So it came about on the third day, when it was morning, that there were thunder and lightning flashes and a thick cloud upon the mountain and a very loud trumpet sound, so that all the people who were in the camp trembled. And Moses brought the people out of the camp to meet God, and they stood at the foot of the mountain. Now Mount Sinai was all in smoke because the Lord descended upon it in fire; and its smoke ascended like the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mountain quaked violently. When the sound of the trumpet grew louder and louder, Moses spoke and God answered him with thunder. And the Lord came down on Mount Sinai, to the top of the mountain; and the Lord called Moses to the top of the mountain, and Moses went up. EXO 19:16-20

The trumpet sounds kept the people from advancing onto the mountain. Moses went up and came down to ensure that no one was on the mountain. Then God spoke the ten commandments. The sound of the trumpet and God’s voice completely unnerved the people. They were full of fear for their lives.

At the end of the ages the Lord will return in similar fashion, with the sound of a trumpet and God’s voice (the seven thunders). The prophet Zechariah is very specific about how the Lord will accomplish His return just as when He came down to Mount Sinai. Zechariah clearly says that God Himself will be blowing the trumpet at His return.

Then the Lord will appear over them, and His arrow will go forth like lightning; and the Lord God will blow the trumpet, and will march in the storm winds of the south. ZEC 9:14

The Messiah’s description of this same event clearly states that the angels will be doing something else while the trumpet is blown, thus leaving the question, who is blowing the great trumpet?

And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other. MAT 24:31

The Apostle Paul repeats this sequence.

...in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. 1CO 15:52

For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God; and the dead in Messiah shall rise first. 1TH 4:16

What makes a trumpet to be the Trumpet of God? You could also ask what makes a lamb to be the Lamb of God? It is obvious, the Lamb of God is the offering of God Himself. In the same way, the Trumpet of God is the trumpet blown by God Himself.

The Little Horn of the Antimessiah

Before we leave this subject completely, we need to address one last point about the subject of trumpets and horns. Our enemy, HaSatan, likes to imitate and try to steal the glory of the Lord for himself. The same can be said for the symbolism and use of trumpets and horns. In fact, the prophet Daniel characterizes the work of the antimessiah as a little horn springing up to make trouble.

While I was contemplating the horns, behold, another horn, a little one, came up among them, and three of the first horns were pulled out by the roots before it; and behold, this horn possessed eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth uttering great boasts. DAN 7:8

The foremost prophecy of the antimessiah deals with how he comes to power. He apparently rises in the midst of ten kings, defeating three while seven relinquish their power to him.

As for the ten horns, out of this kingdom ten kings will arise; and another will arise after them, and he will be different from the previous ones and will subdue three kings. DAN 7:24

The book of Revelations repeats this prophecy but adds a bit more detail. It details a riddle about ten horns (ten kings) with seven heads (seven historical kings) serving as the governmental base for the little horn (the beast) to rise out of to power.

And the ten horns which you saw are ten kings, who have not yet received a kingdom, but they receive authority as kings with the beast for one hour. REV 17:12

Trumpets and horns are used as fanfares to announce kings. The antimessiah has his own fanfare of sorts to announce his arrival (the ten kings). I am certain that when the antimessiah comes to power, and I believe we will see it happen soon enough, then we be affected by his trumpets–they may even instill a sense of fear and awe within us. That is when the words of the Psalmist will have their greatest effect.

The Lord is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer, My God, my rock, in whom I take refuge; My shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold. PSA 18:2

The horn of my salvation is the one He sounds Himself. We sound trumpets and shofars now to prepare people for the trumpet that will be sounded. In that day, the Lord will sound the Trumpet of God.

Shalom

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For all the osas, faith only, GOD will not put anyone in hell and prerapture buffs, this is what I believe GOD has to say about your teachings.

 

Isa.28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

28:13 But the word of was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

28:14 Wherefore hear the word of , ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.

28:15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves

28:16 Therefore thus saith the Master , Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.

28:17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.

28:18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.

28:19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.

28:20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.

28:21 For shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act.

28:22 Now therefore be ye not mockers, lest your bands be made strong: for I have heard from the Master of hosts a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth.

28:23 Give ye ear, and hear my voice; hearken, and hear my speech.

28:24 Doth the plowman plow all day to sow? doth he open and break the clods of his ground?

28:25 When he hath made plain the face thereof, doth he not cast abroad the fitches, and scatter the cummin, and cast in the principal wheat and the appointed barley and rie in their place?

28:26 For his Elohim doth instruct him to discretion, and doth teach him.

28:27 For the fitches are not threshed with a threshing instrument, neither is a cart wheel turned about upon the cummin; but the fitches are beaten out with a staff, and the cummin with a rod.

28:28 Bread corn is bruised; because he will not ever be threshing it, nor break it with the wheel of his cart, nor bruise it with his horsemen.

28:29 This also cometh forth from of hosts, which is wonderful in counsel, and excellent in working

Shalom

Ichmo, Do you read and understand Hebrew? Can you speak the language fluently?

Very simply, The day of the LORD is every single day for all eternity.

 

Jesus IS the beginning and the end. He is the Alpha and Omega.

He is here and not here at the same time. He is light and darkness at the same time. He is day and night at the same time.

 

 

It seems you are incorrect. God is not light and darkness at the same time. Neityer is He night and day.

To carnally  minded people the bible seems to say many things  simply because God designed it that way so His mysteries are hidden from the deceived.

 

The word also says this>>>

 

Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who [is] above all, and through all ( "ALL" includes the darkness. God is through the darkness ) , and in you all.

 

1Ki 8:12 Then spake Solomon, The LORD said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.

 

Psa 139:12 Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light [are] both alike [to thee].

 

Darkness and Light are alike to the LORD.

What does that mean to you?

How can darkness and Light be alike?

 

The carnal mind cannot comprehend these things but the MIND of Christ can. That is why you need the MIND of Christ to understand the scriptures.

 

God has no darkness in Him but He dwells in the darkness and the darkness and light are alike to Him so does He distinguish between them?

 A day with the LORD is not a 12 hour day. A day with the Lord includes darkness and light.

 

And the evening and the morning were the first day.

And the evening and the morning were the second day.

And the evening and the morning were the third day.  etc.

 

 

 

AMEN  ETW7 AMEN !!!

God IS ALL and IN ALL

According to Zechriah 14 it is the place where our Lords feet will stand on his return. When he does touch down on it, it will split on on Rast-West axis. One part will move north, and the other south, and will create a deep valley between them which will reach to Azal. Read the account in Zech 14! Bob Wood.

It is a dangerous thing to ascribe darkness to the living God.  He indeed fills all space, and nothing is hidden from His eyes; the day and the night are both alike unto Him. 

 

John's proclamation stands sure and speaks to the very nature of our God:  He is light, and in Him is no darkness at all;  No darkness at all!  He dwells in the light, not in darkness!

 

13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;
14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

1 Tim 6:13-16 (KJV)

Scripture must interpret scripture.  And Peter declared plainly that there is no private interpretation.  Those who wrest (twist) the scriptures do so unto their own destruction. 

14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

2 Peter 3:14-18 (KJV)

When one diligently believes and obeys the truth, God does not permit such an one to be deceived.  Peter declared plainly that those who diligently make their calling unto salvation and their election according to God's abundant grace sure shall never fall; that an abundant entrance into His kingdom will be ministered unto them. (cf. II Peter 1:1-11)   It is contingent upon each of us to examine ourselves by the truths of scripture, to see whether we are in the faith.  It is our NT privilege in Christ to know Him that is true and to be in Him that is true, even in His Son Jesus Christ.  This indeed is the true God and eternal life. 

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Cp says : John's proclamation stands sure and speaks to the very nature of our God:  He is light, and in Him is no darkness at all;  No darkness at all!  He dwells in the light, not in darkness!

 

 

 

1Ki 8:12 Then spake Solomon, The LORD said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.

 

2 Ch 6:1 Then said Solomon, The LORD hath said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.

 

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That sounds like you expect the Lord to come to earth like some kind of UFO and Touch Down and split a mountain in half.  LMAO. Too funny. The interpretations of Carnally minded men are very hilarious when you know the TRUTH.

 

1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

 

Spiritual things are spiritually discerned and the bible is a spiritual thing. Not to be taken literally or interpreted in a literal manner. It is full of spiritual parables and mysteries which are all the SAME Yesterday Today and Forever.

 

Any doctrines which can not be applied to YESTERDAY TODAY and FOREVER is a false doctrine.

 

WAKE UP and Believe the TRUTH instead of your futuristic fictions.

 

 

sky alot of the scripture you bring up about darkness it is avtually referring to mysteries, deep things of God ,unsearchable things to us humans, or secret things that are hidden. You are just plain way off base with your I'm so spiritual attitude and it isn't impressing anyone it's just showing how little you really know about the things of God. How can a God of light be filled with darkness? This is impossible for the light would eloominate the darkness and therefore it would be all light. Also in some instances the darkness represent evil in the Bible and God is not and cannot be evil. Your taken this All in All thing way out of context and of course if you were really spiritually minded you would know this.

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Warrior, God hides HIS mysteries in darkness. The mysteries are not darkness. They are merely hidden in the darkness.

God reveals these mysteries to HIS TRUE DISCIPLES who have the MIND of Christ and He hides them from the carnally minded people.

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The light of God is not filled with darkness. However a light can BE darkness according to  Mat 6:23 But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great [is] that darkness!

 

Do you want to know How light can BE darkness?

Simply because the devil comes as an angel of LIGHT and that LIGHT ( the evil light)  is a fake light. It is an illusion of Light. It is a deception of light. It is a reflection of light and not real light. It has no light of itself or in itself.

It is like the moon appears to be a light at night but it is not a light at all. The moon has no light of its own and emits no light of its own. It is merely a reflection of  the LIGHT from the sun which is its own light and emits LIGHT and HEAT.

 

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I am taking nothing at all out of context. I can see the WHOLE as a WHOLE. I have the Mind of Christ and can SEE and understand the same as what JESUS sees and understands. My carnal mind  and carnal  eyes are blind as a bat and ignorant and foolish and I know absolutely nothing in the flesh, but the MIND of Christ in me understands all things.

I am grateful that Jesus gave me His mind and sight to replace my  own blindness, ignorance and foolishness.

 

If you turn to the REAL JESUS and the REAL TRUTH, you too can have the REAL LIGHT and  also BE the LIGHT of the WORLD and BE the TRUTH because when you  become ONE with CHRIST you are what HE IS.

 

1Jo 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

 

Luk 6:40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

 

Mat 10:25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more [shall they call] them of his household?

 

Call me the devil if you wish. All you are doing is honouring the TRUTH ( Jesus)  in me and by doing so you are making me equal with HIM. I thank you for making me as my master and lifting me up as High as you lift HIM up.