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From: MSN Nicknamesteelerlyn  (Original Message)Sent: 8/26/2004 7:41 PM
We all see all this multi million booko bucks all the professional athletes are making.
 
I would like to know who is paying it?  If we had say 50 yard line club seating we would prolly pay 2k for it tops.  There are many 2ks in a million let alone multi million and that multi million goes to prolly more ppl than I will ever know about.  I know we have a 53 man roster, how many of that 53 are actually getting the multi million?  More of them than we think..
 
The fan may be paying for something but it definitely is not the player's salary, common sense tells me that.  So who is?  I find it very difficult to believe that the owners of the various teams are paying it either, that is one huge chunk of lunch money.
 
I have asked myself this question for years.  I deducted several years ago that sports reporters do NOT understand the cap and why they try to explain it is beyond me or I am listening to the wrong ones.

Oh I know they publicize each players amount but..........not really.  They get this if they do that, etc, etc, etc,  so who really knows?

I think the NFL is paying the players.  And that is just because it is the only logical explanation I would have because they have the booko bucks.  I also know that everytime I buy a Steeler coat, shirt or a hat, etc a portion of that goes to the Steelers, or so they say.

Does anyone REALLY KNOW who pays these salaries?  I think the fan may pay for parking lot maintenence, but nothing too expensive.  We are talking about more money than you or I could possibly earn in a lifetime working 168 hours a week.

thanks, lyn:)



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From: MSN NicknameburghnerdSent: 8/26/2004 11:33 PM

This news article says it all.....

Posted on Fri, Jan. 30, 2004

Television keeps NFL on top

By Ray Buck

Star-Telegram Staff Writer

HOUSTON - Super Bowl XXXVIII arrives in your living room in liquid-crystal, high-definition, around-the-clock, around-the-globe, nonstop imaging.

This is the technology that drives the fans that drives the league that drives sports.

And keeps the National Football League head and shoulder pads above all other sports.

After 82 years, the NFL has never been more entertaining, more innovative, more fiscally sound or more popular than it is today.

The day has come that commissioner Paul Tagliabue can present the Lombardi Trophy in multiple languages, in front of live audiences from Boston to Beijing, simultaneously ... on different days.

But also in the NFL's not-too-distant future are digital cable and ways to access the greatest moments in NFL history with the ease of ordering a Big Mac.

You want to watch Franco Harris and the Immaculate Reception?

Alan Ameche and the 1958 sudden death championship game?

Just kick back in your favorite recliner and press the on-command button. That technology is coming.

Tagliabue will re-examine the potentials of television, radio and the Internet between now and 2005, when the NFL's television contract expires, to find "all the alternatives again" to keep the NFL ahead.

By comparison, the three other major team sports are locked in neutral.

Or worse, as in the case of Major League Baseball and the National Hockey League. Their hope for a remedy is to copy the NFL model. But those leagues' tardiness has been costly.

The NHL is on the verge of committing professional suicide by locking out its players next season if a new collective bargaining agreement cannot be reached. It's the latest attempt by NHL owners to achieve revenue sharing and impose a ceiling on players' salaries -- goals the NFL had fulfilled by the early 1990s.

Baseball finally implemented some revenue sharing in 2002, but only after nearly killing the sport. Can anyone say: Look what happened to baseball in 1994?

The National Basketball Association implemented a hard salary cap and revenue sharing in 1999.

But those changes are merely NFL Lite.

The NFL's biggest advantage is still that each owner, from Green Bay to New York, is promised an equal share of all network TV revenue.

And it is the NFL's lucrative and foresighted relationship with television that has elevated it to the King of Sports.

Made for TV

The Super Bowl is practically a religion in this country.

A religion created and followed by a TV audience.

Last year's Super Bowl -- Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs. Oakland Raiders -- drew 138.9 million viewers, making it the most-watched program in TV history, according to Nielsen TV Ratings.

In a recent ESPN survey to determine America's favorite sport, 22.5 percent of the respondents named the NFL, followed by Major League Baseball (12.9 percent), NBA (9.6), college football (7.1), college basketball (4.6), NHL (3.8) and NASCAR (3.4).

The NFL is America's favorite because it has become the ultimate made-for-TV event.

The NFL's current eight-year, $17.6 billion TV contract remains the biggest television deal in team-sport history, only to be superseded by the next one.

With the contract with the networks due to expire after the 2005 season, Tagliabue has said, "We'll look at all the alternatives again, including the state of digital cable."

Expect the next TV contract to increase somewhere between what the NFL wants -- a 6 percent or 7 percent hike -- and what the TV networks are willing to give -- 2 percent or 3 percent.

Talks are expected to begin this spring with Fox, CBS, ABC and ESPN on an individual basis, NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said.

"It's a question of where television is going, which nobody really knows," he said. "We know what's out there. It's just a matter of waiting to see what shape [the new contract] takes. There's no way to predict."

One thing is certain. For free viewing on Sundays to continue, Fox, CBS, ABC and ESPN must meet the NFL's demands.

Because the networks are no longer the only suitors, the league holds the hammer because it attracts fans, which attracts advertisers, which drives business.

"All we know," Aiello said, "is that we deliver the biggest audience in sports and entertainment on a consistent basis."

And the followers want more.

In November, the NFL launched its own NFL Network -- 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year -- then went on to set a regular-season attendance record by drawing nearly 17 million fans. The NFL Network can be seen on satellite and will become available in Fort Worth over Charter Cable Communications in February.

Also to be refined are the use of satellite television, high definition, on-command viewing and NFL Sunday Ticket on DirecTV.

"NFL Sunday Ticket on DirecTV is now exclusive," Aiello said. "But our exclusivity ends in a couple of years, and then we can take that to the cable systems. In other words, at some point, NFL Sunday Ticket may be available to a much wider audience."

The NFL's first television deal was for $600,000, paid by NBC to the league to broadcast the 1961 NFL Championship Game, and its first multinetwork contract came after the NFL-AFL merger in 1969. That four-year TV contract (1970-73) was for $185 million, or $7.1 million per team.

Super-sized numbers

That ka-ching, ka-ching you hear is the sound of prosperity in the NFL.

The cost for a 30-second advertisement to be aired during the Super Bowl is $2.3 million, or roughly the cost of a $77,000 luxury car each second.

This is roughly a 150 percent increase over the price of a 30-second Super Bowl spot just 10 years ago ($900,000).

It's no wonder that Sean McManus, president of CBS Sports, calls Super Sunday "the biggest day in all of television."

The closer the game is in the fourth quarter, he said, the more "the [TV] rating is bulletproof."

This year's Super Bowl will begin at 5:25 p.m. and be broadcast by CBS (Channel 11 in Dallas-Fort Worth), whose turn it is in the three-network rotation to broadcast the game.

"With Survivor to follow the Super Bowl," McManus said, "this Sunday will generate for CBS more revenue in one day than any one day in the history of television."

McManus predicts a $160 million, one-day windfall for CBS. Super Bowl XXXVIII will be broadcast to 229 countries and territories -- from Antarctica to Zimbabwe -- in 21 languages, including the first live broadcast of the Super Bowl back to China by a CCTV team that has spent the week in Houston.

Kickoff is at 7:25 a.m. Monday, Beijing time.

In all, there will be on-site broadcasting of the game by 14 foreign television and radio crews back to their countries, including a German team led by former Cowboys and Oilers kicker Toni Fritsch, now an NFL analyst.

"We were the first to broadcast the Super Bowl in the German language. That was 10 years ago," said Fritsch, a native Austrian who splits his time between homes in Houston and Vienna.

Fritsch's broadcast of Super Bowl XXXVIII will begin at 25 minutes after midnight, Vienna time.

He expects 100,000 German viewers will stay up late to watch the New England Patriots vs. the Carolina Panthers, without the least bit of concern that these two teams are without many household names even here in the United States.

The NFL phenomenon is alive and well around the world ... and in Houston.

Remember the Oilers!

Nothing says NFL prosperity quite like the Super Bowl.

The site of Super Bowl XXXVIII (if you hadn't noticed) is Houston.

The same Houston that lost its NFL franchise after the 1996 season when then-Oilers owner Bud Adams accepted a sweetheart deal to move his team to Nashville, Tenn.

That move was met by a resounding "good riddance" from jilted Houston fans, although their venom was directed at an unpopular owner, not the Oilers and certainly not the NFL.

Now fast-forward seven years: This week's stampede into Houston for activities surrounding the big game Sunday has produced countless parties, celebrity sightings and $300 million to $500 million in Super Bowl-driven spending.

In a matter of six years, Houston has gone from NFL ghost town to Super Bowl host city.

The reasons behind Houston's remarkable transformation are twofold:

Power and money.

The NFL's power ... and Houston billionaire Bob McNair's money.

The Oilers leaving "was a real shock ... a wake-up call," said McNair, who spent $700 million to bring the NFL back to Houston in 2002. His expansion Houston Texans just completed their second season.

Asked if he ever thought about spending his millions anywhere else but the NFL, McNair replied, "Not really. The NFL offers the best opportunity for a businessman ... not only to have some fun but to have success."

"Two things attracted me to the NFL," he said. "No. 1, we [NFL owners] share in all television revenue. And No. 2, we have some cost-containment [salary cap] in place, which is good because player salaries can get out of whack."

The NFL phenomenon is alive and well in Houston ... and around the world.

Other professional leagues are simply trying to catch up.

Show 'em the money

A look at the NFL's television contracts and the average player-salary during the term of each contract:

Seasons

Total

Avg. salary

1960-61

$600,000

$15,000

1962-63

$4.65 million

$20,000

1964-65

$28.2 million

$21,000

1966-69

$75.2 million

$22,000

1970-73

$185 million

$23,000

1974-77

$269 million

$30,000

1978-81

$646 million

$60,000

1982-86

$2.1 billion

$100,000

1987-89

$1.43 billion

$200,000

1990-93

$3.65 billion

$350,000

1994-97

$4.4 billion

$600,000

1998-2005

$17.6 billion

$1.6 million

Did you know?

�?In 1960-61, NBC paid $600,000 for broadcast rights to the NFL championship game.

�?In 1969, the NFL-AFL merger led to first multi-network contracts (CBS, NBC, ABC) in time for the '70 season.

�?In 2005, the current contract will expire. Already, the posturing has begun: The NFL looking for a six or seven percent increase; the networks willing to consider a two or three percent increase.

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/7834097.htm

The NFL made nearly $5 billion dollars in television revenue alone last year.


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From: MSN NicknamesteelerlynSent: 8/27/2004 12:36 AM
This still does not answer my question Bob.  It gives a detailed and historicall report of how football is now seen in 5 different languages and how and why it is so popular.
 
It also gives the tv $ collected now there you are getting on track!
 
But, what if your team does not get on tv?  what if your team is on tv most every week?
 
Who holds the purse strings?  Is all the money divided eqully among all teams?
 
that article leads me too more and more questions.

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From: MSN NicknameburghnerdSent: 8/27/2004 12:43 AM
Every team is given a piece of the pie.....television money also plays a part in the salary cap cut off line.
 
You have to do something extreme not to be a successful or make money as an NFL owner.....filled stadiums, concessions, parking, etc is chicken scratch. An owner can go without a single fan in attendance for an entire year and still turn a profit.

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From: MSN NicknameburghnerdSent: 8/27/2004 12:48 AM
That article even tells ya....
 
The NFL's biggest advantage is still that each owner, from Green Bay to New York, is promised an equal share of all network TV revenue.

And it is the NFL's lucrative and foresighted relationship with television that has elevated it to the King of Sports.


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From: MSN NicknameburghnerdSent: 8/27/2004 1:12 AM
Think about it......32 teams.....$5 billion dollars(round it up to here for this example)....you figure the league gets a cut to go toward paying it's ppl, refs, etc....so we will split $5 billion 33 ways.....The league could split that money 62 ways and each team would still be able to hit their salary cap number......
 
$151,515,151 per....
 
The NFL cap for this year is only $80.582 million...
 
Last year it was $75 million...
 
The NFL tells us that the cap is based on gross revenue....via gate receipts for every game, television revenue and radio fees....do the other two really even matter?
 
Television picks up the tab.

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From: MSN NicknamesteelerlynSent: 8/27/2004 2:52 AM
you did not ever say the teams evenly split all proceeds.  that was one of my questions.  The answer should not even come close to complex.  In fact it should be 10 words or LESS.  What is your source please.

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From: MSN NicknameburghnerdSent: 8/27/2004 3:44 AM

For those who wanna play along at home.......

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i answered your post

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and please do not give your source as that article you posted

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What do you mean?

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read my post

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I did....what exactly was you responding too?

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That article says.....

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The NFL's biggest advantage is still that each owner, from Green Bay to New York, is promised an equal share of all network TV revenue.

And it is the NFL's lucrative and foresighted relationship with television that has elevated it to the King of Sports.

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i am not interested in why they are elevated or if they are elevated

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oi just wanna know where I vcan go and read about who pays the NFL players on each team

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it should be a terrribly brief answer

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I did all the number stuff on my own

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those #s mean nada

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based on what the cap was.....how much revenue was made from tv....etc

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because you have not posted where a person can read the fact that the nfl pays them

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through tv

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Players keep wanting more because TV keeps paying out more

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who said?

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not because more fans are showing up for games

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how do you know?

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where did u read that?

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your source?

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so I can read it

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Every team is basically guaranteed a sell out thru out the season

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sourcer?

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u have none because there is none

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Hold on

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 steelerlyn says:

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and that is my point

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LoL....yeah....the Nerd just figured he'd start making stories up to respond

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 steelerlyn says:

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you can find it all over about the nfl not paying health insurance for retired players

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okay

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The NFL won't tell you outright

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then what is your source\

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But that is the way it is

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simple question

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almost as simple as who [pays

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I want a source]

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http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?p=television+pays+nfl+salaries

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http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/8072966.htm

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http://www.sportsnetwork.com/?c=sportsnetwork&page=nfl/news/abn3069985.htm

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The average Steeler ticket is what? 50 bones? Thats 25,780,000 over 8 games at Hines Field...

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$

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which is nothing

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Exactly....not enough to pay the players

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u have maintence u have employes to pay

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a ton of things

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a look of upkeep

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lights

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Thats why television pays the players

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 steelerlyn says:

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there is no way in hell any team can pay its players

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Everything that is made at the stadium is for upkeeping and such

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Is that close to the answer you was looking for?

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 steelerlyn says:

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itis what i already knew

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as i stated in my first post

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but i still have ?s

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Thats why I said one would have to do something extreme not to turn a profit

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like burn down the stadium with the team in there.....lol

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but the team that is not on tv

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never really contributed

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and that seems unfair

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like look at det

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hell they have never done anything]

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 steelerlyn says:

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well not in my lifetime

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It doesn't matter....CBS, FOX, ABC, ESPN pay billions for NFL contracts....AFC and NFC packages....Thursday and Monday night games

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why should they get the same as NE?

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i know they do

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 burghnerd says:

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I know where you are coming from

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thanks

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But that is what makes the NFL thrive and keeps the George Steinbrenners away

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I did read a story awhile ago stating that AL Davis and Jerry Jones wanted out though

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figures, huh?

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it is like all hte players a re a huge TEAM and no matter how they do they are "protected"

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wanted out because of the rules they have to adhere to

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That is why you always hear about NFL players being underpaid compared to other sports....NFL players can't even get a guaranteed contract

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 steelerlyn says:

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they hacve no benefits

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 burghnerd says:

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The owners pull almost all the strings

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like health

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They expect players to hold up to their current contracts.....but they will have players take pay cuts, then out right cut them

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NFL owners are backing two bills to reduce the number of players eligible to receive benefits: one eliminates cumulative trauma claims, and limits benefits to athletes who reside in California whose employer was based in California. The second prevents professional athletes earning more than $225,000 from collecting workers compensation for their injuries.

 

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In a way it's just like your average 9-5....if you are getting paid the same as everybody else....and you are pulling all the weight...been there awhile....have more responsibilities....you my friend are deserving of a raise

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i prefer perks over money i make too much now

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Owners are never shown in this light though because they keep the stuff hush hush

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You know what I am saying though

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To be honest....I don't think anybody that plays a game should be paid more than teachers, doctors, firemen, policemen, etc

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i know and that is why i raised the question even though i already knew i wanted others to think about it

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because i think many just assume that rooney pays the players and there is no efffing way

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It really makes cheap owners stick out like a sore thumb(see Mike Brown prior to last season)

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now the ncaa

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He was pocketing a fortune

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 steelerlyn says:

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only pays the ones who go to the championships

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the toilet bowls

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Powerhouse schools

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 steelerlyn says:

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not necessarily

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just the ones that "make it"

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which to me, that ishow it should be

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in the nfl

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I know.....Toledo is not exactly a powerhouse....but they sure do make that kind of money come bowl time

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I agree...

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 steelerlyn says:

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so the actual reason the players in the nfl are "overpaid" is simply because of the NFL's rules

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NFL contracts with television

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not because of the player's ego, etc

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 burghnerd says:

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they were not out of hand like today until FOX came to the dance and set the bar for overspending for the NFL product

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 burghnerd says:

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ABC, CBS, etc wasn't gonna get the game for minimum wage anymore

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Now the contracts go to the highest bidder

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but the nfl has to accept it

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so see

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bottom line it is the nfl's fault

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For greed? Yes

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All the way down the food chain

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 steelerlyn says:

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all of these are the reason that pro ball is for the wealthy not for joe 6 pack who supported the team allhte years they had nothing

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 burghnerd says:

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One good thing comes out of this though....I would rather have the owners driving the ship rather than the players with their Player associations

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 steelerlyn says:

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the way they are now i agree

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 steelerlyn says:

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the way they were when a fan could talk to them no

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 burghnerd says:

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exactly...and if you remember that USAtoday story I posted awhile ago....that is why Joe 6-pack gets screwed come Super Bowl time

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 steelerlyn says:

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in other words b4 free agency

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and it is all the NFL's fault

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 burghnerd says:

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they cateer to the money....not the ppl freezing their asses off...or spending their hard earned money

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 burghnerd says:

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stressing....hard

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 steelerlyn says:

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that is afact

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 burghnerd says:

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a doctor who couldn't name you 5 backups is not a Joe 6pack

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 burghnerd says:

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that is the same guy leaving the game come qtr 4 to beat the traffic

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 burghnerd says:

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and the guy who don't show up when the weather is baf

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 burghnerd says:

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bad

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 steelerlyn says:

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when i was at the afc wildcard game

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 steelerlyn says:

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remember that game?

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 burghnerd says:

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yeah

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 steelerlyn says:

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about 2 yrs ago

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 burghnerd says:

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You see it all the time though

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 burghnerd says:

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they did it at the Rams game when it was still close....before the Rams scored their final TD in the 4th

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 steelerlyn says:

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there were hundreds & hundreds tha tleft the game in the 3rd quater because they thought we werte gonna lose

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 burghnerd says:

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That was also the same game that showed me that the number in attendance you see on the scoreboard, on TV, etc....is not the same attendance that showed up for the game

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 steelerlyn says:

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oh they do not have to show up

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 steelerlyn says:

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all they have to do is sell a ticket

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 burghnerd says:

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A sell out is a given before anybody walks into the stadium

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 steelerlyn says:

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like say

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 steelerlyn says:

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ticketmaster

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 steelerlyn says:

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buys 200 tickets

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 steelerlyn says:

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that is 200 seats that have been sold

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 steelerlyn says:

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whether tickmaster can sell it or not is irrelavant

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 burghnerd says:

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thats why I said that was guaranteed money....you know you are getting that money before a single game is played

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 steelerlyn says:

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as far as the front office is concerned they have sold 200 tickets

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 steelerlyn says:

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definitely

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 steelerlyn says:

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but it is chump change

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 steelerlyn says:

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for maintence of that building and heinz field

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 burghnerd says:

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It is....tickets make up the biggest chunk of change

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 burghnerd says:

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concessions don't top ticket figures

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 steelerlyn says:

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u know who has the most inexpensive beer in the nfl?

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 steelerlyn says:

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heinz 3 bucks a bottle

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 steelerlyn says:

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i like a beer wheni am watching the game

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 burghnerd says:

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For a team to make $103,120,000 each and every fan in attendance has to drop $200

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 steelerlyn says:

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actually i think water would work

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 steelerlyn says:

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is thatper game

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 steelerlyn says:

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that per

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 burghnerd says:

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they keep raising the prices....water will do...lol

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 burghnerd says:

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that is over 8 games at Heinz

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 steelerlyn says:

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they sure as hell suffer when i am there

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From: MSN NicknamesteelerlynSent: 8/27/2004 4:41 PM
Nothing is sacred anymore not even a private conversation!

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From: MSN NicknameburghnerdSent: 8/27/2004 4:50 PM

i know and that is why i raised the question even though i already knew i wanted others to think about it

Hey.....it remained on topic and expressed the view you was going for with this thread.


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