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Adam; Satan : The Wicked One
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From: joie  (Original Message)Sent: 6/12/2005 3:42 AM

~ The Wicked One ~

Today is Sunday, 2/6/2005. Since so many are still confused about Adam being the wicked one, Satan, the dragon, the serpent, Lucifer and the king of Babylon, I will write this message to solidly prove this truth beyond the shadow of a doubt.

It is very easy to prove this, just using two Scriptures. First, let’s go into Ezekiel and prove that the one spoken of there, whom most people admit is Satan, is actually Adam.

Eze 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God: 28:3 Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee: 28:4 With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures:

Most of this message is repetitious of what I wrote in other messages, but I am going to show you in this message how to solidly PROVE that this being in Ezekiel 28 is actually Adam. There is absolutely no doubt about this.

Notice that in verse two, this being is declaring himself to be God, sitting in the seat of God. But God told him, Yet thou are a MAN, and not God.

So now most of you believe that Satan is a spirit as is God. But this declares he is a man. God said He [God] is not man nor the Son of Man. God is a Spirit.

Eze 28:9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee. 28:10 Thou shalt die the deaths of the uncircumcised by the hand of strangers: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.

Here God shows this one that someone is going to slay him. Strangers will slay this one. The Strangers are the true Christians. So how are we going to slay Satan? Notice again in verse nine God tells this one You shall be a MAN, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth you.

So there are two verses saying this being is just a man, not a spirit. How could we kill a spirit?

Eze 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Now this is speaking of God’s Son, Adam. He is the one who was in the Garden of Eden. He is the one who was perfect in beauty and perfect in his ways until iniquity was found in him. Did not Paul say over and over that by Adam sin entered into this world, and death by sin? Did not God tell Adam the day you eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, that day you will die? So it was Adam’s eating of this tree, his rebellion to God, of which this is speaking. It was his sin which brought in the death.

See here it speaks of his great wisdom. Adam was so wise he named all cattle and all animals. He was prophesying the Word of God in Genesis, before he became evil and desiring to be God.

What does it mean, Thou are the anointed cherub which covereth, and I have set thee so? It is speaking of when God gave to his Son the dominion over all the animals and everything on the earth. God told Adam to be in the Garden of God to DRESS IT AND TO KEEP IT. Now what does that mean?

Isa 61:1 The spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified. 61:4 And they shall build the old wastes, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the waste cities, the desolations of many generations. 61:5 And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers. 61:6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.

The above Scripture is Jesus speaking. He said the spirit of the Lord God is upon me because he has ANOINTED me to PREACH good tidings, to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to captives, to open the prison to those who are bound, to proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and to comfort all that mourn.

So, to do all these things for and to God’s sheep, His children, is the job of being anointed, or a COVERING. It was also his job to give joy to those mourning, and teach the heavy to praise the Lord, that they might be called TREES OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, THE PLANTING OF THE LORD.

Now can’t you see from this that the sheep of God, or his children, are the trees he planted? Jesus said every plant which my Heavenly Father has not planted, shall be rooted up. He is speaking of the people of God as these trees. These are the trees which were in that Garden of Eden. Most people have the mistaken idea that there were only two people in that Garden. But it is just not true. At some point in time, there were many, many people there. There was an entire world of people there. The church is in such error about all of this, they think Adam and Eve were only in the Garden a small amount of time. But it is not true. We actually have no account of how long they lived there in their perfect state. We have no account of how many people may have been there before they sinned and began to have mortal children.

Notice verse five says strangers [the Christians] shall feed your flocks [the sheep of God; us] and be your plowman [preaching the word] and your vinedressers. So from this we find that dressing the garden meant doing all these things of binding up the broken hearted, setting people free, and giving them joy, etc. It meant feeding the flock of God the Word of salvation. It meant taking care of God’s children. It meant being a minister of God to serve the sheep of God. It meant being a keeper of sheep as Abel was.

So if this is what anointing Jesus meant, it is also what anointing Adam meant. It means the same thing with the anointed cherub. He was to keep God’s sheep, to minister to them, to teach them the Word of God. This is what dressing and keeping the Garden means. Adam was placed into the Garden for this purpose, to minister to God’s children. He was to be their covering from sin as Jesus is now our covering.

But because Adam became envious of them and of God, and he was lifted up in pride and wanted to be God instead of a minister of God, then he failed to do his job of caring for the sheep of God. But Abel was doing this great ministry of keeping the sheep of God. He was plowing their fields = teaching them the Word. He was sowing the ‘seed�?of the Word into their hearts. He was dressing the VINE. Jesus is the VINE. We are his branches. If you think of this in the natural, as earthly tress, you will NEVER EVER UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH. This is totally spiritual.

This is why the carnal mind is not subject to the things of God and can never receive them.

If you think the sheep are four-legged animals, you will never get any truth.

See in verse six God said those who are the vinedressers will be called the priests and ministers of God. That is the true Christians who are doing this great work of caring for the sheep of God, feeding the flock and dressing the vine.

Isa 61:10 I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.

The above is Jesus saying God clothed him with the garments of salvation and covered him with the robe of righteousness. Now see this shows that the covering and clothes or nakedness spoken of in the Garden of Eden is not natural clothes and nakedness. It pertains to having on the righteousness of Faith in God. Adam was void of this faith, and that is how he was naked. It does not mean they had no clothes on. They were into sin, as is the Laodician church. Naked, or without the covering of righteousness. Adam was set in the Garden, as God’s anointed Son, to cover the sheep of God with righteousness by plowing their fields, = their minds or hearts, with the Word or truth of God. But because of Adam’s own sin, he failed to minister as God set him to do. His son Abel was the true minister or keeper of the sheep of God. Abel was the true vinedresser. Adam refused to dress the garden and give them righteousness.

Eze 28:8 They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of them that are slain in the midst of the seas. 28:9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.

Bringing him down to the pit is the same as in Revelation 20, when Satan, the old serpent, is placed into the bottomless pit. Again here God tells this one he is just a man in the hand of him that slays him. Never is this being called a spirit. So now we are proving that all of this in Eze. 28 pertains to Satan. Now I will prove to you beyond a doubt, that it is Adam.

Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God;... 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

So this was a created being who was perfect when he was created. Now I ask anyone, do you know of a single Scripture which refers to the creation of Satan; Lucifer; the dragon; the serpent or any other name or title Satan goes by? I did a search on each of these, and I cannot find any reference to the creation of Satan, nor do I remember ever reading anything of this nature. Did God create Satan? Did God created the serpent? No. He did not. Satan is not a created being, neither was the serpent. Satan, the serpent, became Satan and the serpent by rebellion and sin. Serpent means a hypocrite. God did not create any hypocrite. They become hypocrites by their own evil. Adam became Satan, the serpent, the old dragon, by his own evil or iniquity.

If any of you reject this truth, bring forth a Scripture showing and proving that God created a devil, Satan, Lucifer, or the serpent. It is not written. God did no such thing.

Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

Now here God told the covering cherub that He will cast him as profane out of the mountain of God or the Garden of Eden. Profane means secular. This is the merchandizing love for money which caused Adam to become evil.

Now find any Scripture saying that someone other than Adam was ever cast out of that Garden of Eden, the mountain of God. I know of no other whom God cast out.

Eze 31:8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty. 31:9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.

Now in this chapter God is still speaking of the same being, the anointed cherub. He was again spoken of for his beauty, so that all the others in the Garden envied him.

Eze 31:11 I have therefore delivered him into the hand of the mighty one of the heathen; he shall surely deal with him: I have driven him out for his wickedness.

Now here is another reference to the fact that God had driven him out for his wickedness. So again I ask where is any reference to anyone other than Adam being driven out of the Garden of Eden? I know of no other. I know of no Scripture which shows where God cast or drove out anyone other than the man, Adam. If you do, please show it to me. Where is a verse saying God drove Satan or the serpent out of the Garden? I know of none. It is not written. It is not true that there was a Satan or serpent other than Adam.

Ge 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

Now here we see God placed Adam into the Garden. Where did he say he placed any serpent or Satan or dragon into the Garden? It is not there.

Ge 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

See here that God placed Adam in the Garden of Eden to DRESS IT = clothe it with righteousness, the garment of salvation, and to keep it. This means he was to be the vinedresser or the keeper of God’s Sheep. Adam failed to do this. He became wicked and lifted himself up as God, which deceived the sheep of God and led them astray. Abel was the one who was doing the work God said for Adam to do.

Notice that Adam is not called any serpent yet. In chapter two, Adam was still living right with God. He is prophesying the Word of God at the end of this chapter. But notice that at the beginning of chapter three, the serpent comes in for the first time. Notice, here he is lying to Eve and deceiving her into disobeying God, so they could become gods. Adam wanted to be God just as told in Eze, 28.

Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Verse 24 says God DROVE out the man. I have driven him out for his wickedness. Now someone show me where God drove anyone else out. Where does the Word say that God drove the serpent out? See, it showed that the serpent was in the garden, so why did God not drive the serpent out? Where does it say God drove Satan out? It is just not written. Adam is the one God drove out for his wickedness. Anyone who reads this and rejects this revealed truth, is rebelling against God. You are rejecting the knowledge of God, therefore God will reject you.

Unless you can find and show that God drove someone else out of that Garden, then you must accept that it was Adam who became the serpent, hypocrite, and the Devil, Satan, the dragon, and the only one God drove out of the Garden.

Now I have been telling you that Adam and Cain are the devil or Satan. Now for proof of God’s driving Cain out from somewhere.

Gen 4:13 And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear. 4:14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.

See here God drove Cain out from the face of the earth. He said everyone that findeth me shall slay me. This is the fulfillment of the Scripture we just read about them slaying the wicked one and bringing him down to the pit. See how perfectly all of this fits together with the Word of God? There is no other truth concerning this matter. Adam is Satan. God drove him out for his wickedness. He was perfect until iniquity was found in him. By one man sin entered the world and death by sin. Adam brought sin and death upon all men.

Now let’s prove what the cherub was. Eze 1:5 Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man. 1:6 And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings. 1:7 And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass.

These four living creatures had the appearance of a man. Notice it is not the appearance of an angel, it is a man. This man is Jesus Christ. It was first Adam, until he fell by iniquity. Notice their feet was like the sole of a CALF’S foot.

I have a message on tape on this four-faced living creature. But I am not going to try and teach on that in this message. I will try to get it typed up soon. But for now I only want to show you about the cherub being a calf.

Eze 1:10 As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle.

They had a face of a MAN, a lion, an OX and an eagle. This is the full grown Christians. It is an entire group of people, or the Christ. One body, yet many members. But notice and keep in mind the order they are listed in here. Man, lion, OX, and an eagle. This is the four faces. Eze 10:2 And he spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels, even under the cherub, and fill thine hand with coals of fire from between the cherubims, and scatter them over the city. And he went in in my sight.

This cherub is God’s anointed one. Watch this. Jesus is God’s anointed one now. We are God’s anointed one now. We are a member of His Christ.

Eze 10:14 And every one had four faces: the first face was the face of a cherub, and the second face was the face of a man, and the third the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an eagle. 10:15 And the cherubims were lifted up. This is the living creature that I saw by the river of Chebar.

Now you must learn to study, to rightly divide or put together the Word of God. Here he said these four faces were: the face of a CHERUB, a man, a lion and an eagle.

He also stated that this is the living creature I saw by the river which was in the first chapter. This proves we are still speaking of the very same vision, or living creature. But notice that the OX is not mentioned here. Notice that in the first chapter the CHERUB was not mentioned. So this proves that this CHERUB is this OX.

And that is why it said it had feet like the sole of a calf’s foot. The calf is an OX.

Eze 10:22 And the likeness of their faces was the same faces which I saw by the river of Chebar, their appearances and themselves: they went every one straight forward.

Now don’t take my word for it. Here the Word said that these are the same faces he saw by the river of Chebar, in the first chapter. So the OX is the same as the CHERUB. So this proves that those who claim the anointed CHERUB in Eze. 28 was an angel are wrong and not getting the true revelation of God’s Word. It was a MAN. And that man was Adam. This living creature here is Jesus and His true Church. It is Jesus�?hand under their wings. It is the hands of a MAN. It is not the hands of a God.

Now for the other place the Word mentions this living creature.

Rev 4:6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind. Re 4:7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.

Here is the four living creatures in Heaven. The first beast, or face is a LION. The second a CALF OR THAT CHERUB. The third a MAN. The fourth a flying EAGLE.

Now that is the very same faces Ezekiel saw in his vision. See then that the Calf is mentioned here. So this proves beyond a doubt that this calf is the same as the OX OR THE CHERUB. So there is nothing here to indicate that the anointed Cherub in the Garden of Eden was any angel. It was a MAN, ADAM. It was the Son of God, Adam, whom God had placed over his creation.

By: Jo Smith



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From: joieSent: 6/12/2005 3:46 AM
as I re-read my message today, on The Wicked one.   I saw that God, by ANNOINTING Adam to be the COVERING......same thing as when He annointed Jesus to be our covering........His job was to 1.  PREACH THE WORD.
2. heal the broken hearted
3.  give joy to those downhearted.
4. teach them salvation
5.  teach them the Word of God.
etc.
Now since God had given HIS WORD TO ADAM......this  was Adam's annointing.  Adam was supposed to dress the 'garden' of God  = God's plants = his children.  Adam was expected to plow their 'ground'    -- or  teach them truth.
 
Now he had to start with his wife.  Eve was not created at the time God annointed or gave Adam the WORD.  So she was  SOLELY LOOKING TO ADAM TO TELL HER GOD'S WORD.
 
God did not give it to Eve;  He had commisioned Adam to do this.
 
Here is where Adam failed and started his rebellion against God  =   he told Eve lies.
He distorted God's Word to Eve.  Eve had no way of knowing Adam spoke lies.
 
Adam deceived Eve.  God had mercy on Eve but not on Adam, for Adam  never repented.  He still to this day has never repented.  He is  STILL TODAY TELLING PEOPLE LIES ON GOD.  HE IS STILL MISQUOTING  The Scriptures and teaching lies and leading unsuspecting souls toward destruction.
 
Woe be to all who distort the truth of God's Holy Word and try to deceive souls into thinking God's SPIRIT DISAGREES WITH GOD'S WORD.
 
 
Jo Smith

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/11/2007 12:20 AM
I found this in a back page.  This it would be good to save it to a special board, so it will be available to all who might read here, and not be 'lost' over in a distant back page.  This is some good stuff about the ancient kingdom of Adam and Noah, so will place it here on the Adam board:

From: <NOBR>MSN Nicknameeelyahomaika</NOBR>  (Original Message) Sent: 8/25/2006 7:21 PM
I always found it strange in Genesis 9 , when Ham saw the nakedness of his father Noach, why was Canaan cursed?
Some bible scholars say that : "seeing his father's nakedness" means the same as "uncovering his father's nakedness" ; like is written in Leviticus 18:6.
I don't know the Hebrew language.

But I wonder, if Shem and Japhet went wackwards in the tent , avoiding seeing their father's nakedness, why should Ham have committed an act of homosexuality like many scholars claim??

Wasn't it simply an act of disrespect for his father?


I would be glad if someone could give me some answers about this.

blessings,

eelya

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/11/2007 12:21 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn22</NOBR> Sent: 8/25/2006 10:30 PM
Eelya,
thank you for your interest in these things.  Below is an excerpt from my message on the seven heads of the beast.  In the next reply, I will give you the link to this message.  It is listed in our boards, as the heads of the beast.  This is the second head.
 
Ok here is part of this answer:
 

Now God had blessed all four men after the flood and told THEM to be fruitful and multiply, same as he told Adam. So Noah was bringing forth many more children and bringing them into his religion. This is what being a husbandman means. He was not growing natural grapes, anymore than Abel was tending natural, four-legged sheep.

 After Noah had a great ‘vineyard�? or many people again, whom they had brought up a religion, then Noah drank of their ‘wine�? or false doctrine. Jesus likened the kingdom of heaven to a vineyard. So this is a spiritual vineyard, not natural grapes or such.

 Most people think that the Word of God is laid in step-by-step chronological order, and that it all happened right then and there. But this is just not true.

These things many times, took long periods of years to happen. When you read it, it may sound like it was just a day or so. But it was not that way. God is only telling us the main events, not how long it took.

Wine represents the joy of the Holy Ghost and the doctrine. See the Wine of Mystery Babylon was her false teachings with which she seduced the world.

 Now this is the very wine upon which Noah was made ‘drunken�? It is spiritual drunkenness, not natural. He had gone right back to the law system which God hates. He had gone back to ruling over others, which God hates.

He had gone back to setting some up over others. He had gone back to stone altars, animal sacrifices, holidays, big fancy Worship temples and receiving pay for being their ‘lord�?

 How do I know? Because he was drunken with her wine. He was again naked in the sight of God. Everything with the Word keeps declaring that God hates what these rulers over God’s people do. Thus Noah became UNCOVERED, or naked, as did Adam when he transgressed. This solidly proves what God has already shown me -- that Noah backslid.

See that Noah was UNCOVERED in his ‘tent�? The tent means his life or his religion. The ‘tent�?shows the same thing as the Tabernacle which Moses built, for it (the OT covenant) dwelt under tents. So this is showing that Noah was under that OT Covenant of law. The thing of being uncovered or naked shows that he has now lost the glory of God, as did Adam. It shows that he has left Grace and chosen Law again.

 It is NOT speaking of being unclothed with cloth cloths, anymore that it means Adam had no natural cloths on. It means they had become subtle and wicked. Noah and allowed his ‘plants�?or people to lead him astray.

 Mostly it was Ham who had led Noah away. This is what it means that he had drunk of the ‘wine�?of his ‘vineyard�? This is spiritual speech as it is throughout the Word of God. (Hurt not the WINE AND OIL.) See?

Remember the wine of Babylon had led the world astray? It is this same wine. They were ‘drunken�?with the cares of this life. Read the Word as Spiritual, or you will come up with carnal junk.

Now what about Ham? He ‘SAW�?the nakedness of his father. He accepted this evil ‘wine�?of false doctrine. ‘SEEING�?it is the same meaning as ‘EATING�?it.

It means to take it into oneself and accept it. So Ham realized that Noah was now away from God and into Adam or man worship. Then he attempts to bring his two brothers into this same false religion.

 He tells them about the ‘nakedness�?or lies of Satan. But see that Shem and Japheth refused this false religion.

They did the same thing Abel did: they converted Noah back to God and righteousness. God has given me the revelation and proof of how this happened. All of the Word reveals other things in the Word. So by seeing this, which Shem and Japheth did, It proves what I said that Abel did. Abel converted his Mother, Eve, back to righteousness and Grace.

 Shem and Japheth refused to ‘look�?at Noah’s nakedness, or in other words, they refused to consider this false, law religion of animal sacrifices. They ‘saw�?it not. They would not ‘eat�?of this tree of death. Not only did they refuse this false religion, but they converted Noah back to grace, or the tree of life. This is what it means that they kept their faces ’backward�?to this nakedness, or false religion, and they COVERED their Father. This was the right covering. It is the New Covenant of grace, by the blood of Jesus. They brought Noah out from under the delusion he fell into after the flood = that of animal sacrifices for sins. GLORY !!

They brought Noah back to grace. They covered his nakedness. They brought Noah back to God. THAT IS WHY NOAH’S RIGHTEOUSNESS IS MENTIONED IN THE NT.

See it said Noah AWOKE FROM HIS WINE. This means that Noah saw through the lie. He awoke to righteousness as Paul told us to do. Awake to righteousness and SIN NOT. Noah came back to his right mind, that of grace. He repented and was brought back into fellowship with God. His sons did this for him....same as Abel did for Eve. Proves what God showed me about that. Now Noah realizes what Ham had done to him.....= led him into law or false religion. This proves that Ham was instrumental in luring Noah back into Adam-type worship. See, this has been hidden or lost to the world. Ham led Noah into this sin.

So it brought the CURSE upon Ham. This means he was cut off from God. So was his son. This proves that Adam and Cain were cursed by God. Law is the curse. So to be under law is to be under the curse. Paul said if you go back to law, you are under the curse and fall from Grace.

 Then Christ is of no effect to you. So Ham and his sons fell under this curse, for they refused to return to Grace. They loved idols and all that goes with the law religion.


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/11/2007 12:21 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn22</NOBR> Sent: 8/25/2006 10:35 PM
There is the link to this message on the second head, which is Noah.
 
Now I wish to tell you, that such things as you mentioned,  that some 'scholars???'  claim Ham committed homosexuality with Noah, is how big fat lies, or false doctrine gets started.
 
There is not one word of such filth told in God's Word.  It is made up by carnal minded, filthy minded men, who know not one thing about receiving true REVELATION  from God,  about God's Word.
 
All true doctrine matches all Scripture, and is completely PROVABLE WITH WRITTEN SCRIPTURE.
 
Until men learn that God is a Spirit, and his word is totally SPIRITUAL,  they will forever wonder around, blinded, in their night of darkness until they drop off into hell fire.
 
HOPE this enlightens your mind to truth.
Jo

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/11/2007 12:22 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN Nicknameeelyahomaika</NOBR> Sent: 8/26/2006 5:53 PM
Thanks a lot Freeborn.
Wow, I never saw it that way!

Really something to ponder on.

blessings,

eelya

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn22</NOBR> Sent: 8/26/2006 7:03 PM
Thank you,  eela.  and may you be blessed and come to see the glorious secrets of God's Word unvailed.
 
Jo

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameAxs2-381</NOBR> Sent: 8/27/2006 8:56 PM

First of all, let me say that was a good answer that Freeborn has given but I would like to expound on this some more.

First we need to see what the curse is.

Ga 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

So we can see from here in Galatians that the curse is going back to the works of the law. If you keep one of the laws you must keep them all. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

Also if you look at the word Canaan it does not mean just a City but has different meaning, The Word Canaan is like a lots of names that you see in the word that you think is just a name and some instances it is but in some and most instances it means something else. Let me try to show you what I mean here if I can.

Ok let’s deal with the word Canaan and to show you what I am saying .

Strong's Hebrew Definition for # 03667



03667 // Nenk // K@na`an // ken-ah'-an //

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03665 , Greek 5477 // Xanaan // ; TWOT - 1002,1002b;

AV - Canaan 89, merchant 3, traffick 1, traffickers 1; 94

Canaan = "lowland"

n pr m
1) the 4th son of Ham and the progenitor of the Phoenicians and of
the various nations who peopled the seacoast of Palestine

n pr loc
2) the land west of the Jordan peopled by the descendants of Canaan
and subsequently conquered by the Israelites under Joshua

n m
3) merchant, trader

So from here we can see that the meaning of Canaan has different meaning than you would think.

Also when you see the name Moses, in a lots of places it does not mean the man Moses but is talking about the law of Moses. Just as it stated that God hated Esau but love Jacob . Did he hate the man Esau? No, God did not hate the man Esau.  Well what did he hate? Here in the verse where he said I HATE Esau an love Jacob what was he meaning. I wondered about this a long time and God showed me he was not referring to the man Esau but he was calling Esau the law just as Moses is the law. Jacob is not the man but it representing the New Testament of Grace.

There are several names that represent the law covenant just as the name Moses and Esau do.

Take for instance the name Saul. It represents the Old Testament law. Peter represents the New Testament. Ok let me show you another. Zacharias, [ OT law]. John [ NT grace] So if you are under the law you are a Canaanite [OT law] If you are under the NT you are a Israelite. [ Grace] Also if you are a servant, you are still under the law. If you are in the NT GRACE YOU ARE A SON OR DAUGHTER.

To show you the meaning of servant that is mentioned in Ge. 9:25 let’s go into Stongs once more.

Strong's Hebrew Definition for # 05650

05650 // dbe // `ebed // eh'-bed //

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05647 ; TWOT - 1553a; n m

AV - servant 744, manservant 23, bondman 21, bondage 10, bondservant 1,
on all sides 1; 800

1) slave, servant
1a) slave, servant, man-servant
1b) subjects
1c) servants, worshippers (of God)
1d) servant (in special sense as prophets, Levites etc)
1e) servant (of Israel)
1f) servant (as form of address between equals)

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So if you are a servant you are under bondage and you are bondservant and you are subject to rulers and you are a slave. Why be a slave when you can be a son or a daughter and be on equal grounds one with another. Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ. Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. Bond woman and her son is the law. Freewoman is the NT of Grace. So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free. There is much more that I could put to this but I think this is enough. Hope you can see what I was saying.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/11/2007 12:23 AM
From: joie Sent: 8/28/2006 11:04 AM
Axs,  thank you for this good message.  That is really good and full of food for the sheep of God.  I really enjoyed reading this good food today.
 
bless you, In Christ name.

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From: <NOBR>MSN Nicknameeelyahomaika</NOBR> Sent: 8/28/2006 6:24 PM
Thanks Axs,

real good food, like Freeborn already said.

I fully agree.

blessings,

eelya

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From: <NOBR>MSN Nicknamelovejoy742</NOBR> Sent: 8/28/2006 8:26 PM
Noah awoke from his wine.  Now that is totally different from anything I have ever heard.  always thought old Noah had become a drunkard.  lol   well not really, but did think he was truly drunk on something he drunk.
 
 

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameAxs2-381</NOBR> Sent: 8/29/2006 3:05 AM
Let's all get drunk on the new wine. Amen, Glory, Halleluiah. Having my self a ball here tonight by my lonesome self. Let's get full of new wine. Amen, Glory, Halleluiah. this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; Amen, Glory, Halleluiah. O, what joy  divine. new WINE [NT] must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved. Old bottles [OT law] will not do. New means something fresh.

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn22</NOBR> Sent: 8/29/2006 10:30 AM
wow, axs,  sounds like you is have a shouting good time there.  sure wishes me could get in on you worship service.  but me also had one before going to bed.  worshipping and loving my Jesus.

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From: <NOBR>MSN Nicknamerollingstone444</NOBR> Sent: 10/8/2006 6:46 PM
as I read this thread, I find it very interesting.  so I looked up something about this curse, and guess what I found?
 
lookie at this:
<NOBR>Mt 25:41</NOBR> Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
<NOBR>Ga 3:10</NOBR> For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
<NOBR>Ga 3:13</NOBR> Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
when you put these together, it shows that those on the left, or the goats, are the ones under law, who are the cursed one.  Jesus redeemed us from that curse of the law.  so the ones on the right are the ones in grace.  great study.


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