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Adam; Satan : Continuing study on Adam as serpent
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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 9/10/2006 1:57 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn22</NOBR>  (Original Message) Sent: 7/5/2006 3:15 PM
I am starting a new thread to continue the discussion we have going on in the Test Time thread, so our answers can stay in 'sight' longer, and not go to a back page, where most people will not read them.
 
So now I am going to ask something here and ask you to give the answers.  Else you will never come to see what the real truth is.  If you cannot answer these questions with the Word, then you need to study this to find the truth.
 
<NOBR>La 4:1</NOBR> How is the gold become dim! how is the most fine gold changed! the stones of the sanctuary are poured out in the top of every street.
<NOBR>La 4:2</NOBR> The precious sons of Zion, comparable to fine gold, how are they esteemed as earthen pitchers, the work of the hands of the potter!

When I say things in the Word are 'symbolical' I do not mean God is using earthly things to teach heavenly things.  I mean from a standpoint of our earthly, English language, these things seem to be symbolical.

But they are actually all SPIRITUAL.  God speaks spiritually.  He does not speak carnally.  So then ...what do you think  God is calling... GOLD...here?

He is not using earthly 'gold' to symbolize something.  He is speaking spiritually.  So GOLD is not earthly gold.  It is something of God.  He is speaking of something which he called gold.  It is not our metal, gold.  It is not speaking of that metal, gold. 

This is why I say the Scripture is a language all its own.  It is NOT our English, even though we read it as English.

It must be read, or discerned  SPIRITUALLY.

So now, with that in mind,  what is Lam. 4 speaking of?

What is the most fine gold, here?  How and why did it become dim?

What are the 'stone's of the sanctuary?  What is the sanctuary?

How were those STONES poured out into all the streets?  what are these streets?  Do you think they are literal streets and stones, as we think of streets and stones?  If so, you have a carnal mind, which is death.  It is not subject to the things of God.  It will never understand one spiritual thing or truth.

How would you explain verse two?

I await your answers.



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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/10/2006 1:57 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn22</NOBR> Sent: 7/5/2006 3:23 PM
 
<NOBR>La 4:7</NOBR> Her Nazarites were purer than snow, they were whiter than milk, they were more ruddy in body than rubies, their polishing was of sapphire:


Who is the above speaking of?  Who were 'her'  Nazarites?

who is 'she'?  how were they whiter than milk?   How was their  'polishing' of sapphire?  How were they more ruddy in BODY than rubies? Who were they?

Know of any scripture which describes humans in such a way?  If so, please show it.


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/10/2006 1:57 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn22</NOBR> Sent: 7/5/2006 3:31 PM
 
<NOBR>Eze 28:12</NOBR> Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
<NOBR>Eze 28:13</NOBR>

Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

 

<NOBR>Eze 28:14</NOBR> Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

<NOBR>Lam 4:1</NOBR> How is the gold become dim! how is the most fine gold changed! the stones of the sanctuary are poured out in the top of every street.


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/10/2006 1:58 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn22</NOBR> Sent: 7/5/2006 3:36 PM
<NOBR>La 4:20</NOBR> The breath of our nostrils, the anointed of the LORD, was taken in their pits, of whom we said, Under his shadow we shall live among the heathen.

<NOBR>Ge 2:7</NOBR> And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

<NOBR>Re 20:1</NOBR> And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
<NOBR>Re 20:2</NOBR> And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
<NOBR>Re 20:3</NOBR> And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/10/2006 1:59 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn22</NOBR> Sent: 7/5/2006 3:51 PM
<NOBR>Mt 23:2</NOBR> Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:


(Moses' seat is the LAW; THE TEN COMMANDMENTS AND ALL THAT GOES WITH THEM.  So, those who take their stand in Moses' seat are scribes and PHARISEES.

<NOBR>Mt 23:14</NOBR> Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.


Jesus is speaking to those who sit in Moses' seat.  Pharisees, hypocrites.  pretend religion,  yet hate truth and GRACE.  (law folks)

<NOBR>Mt 23:27</NOBR> Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
<NOBR>Mt 23:28</NOBR> Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. (Lucifer, you were perfect till iniquity was found in you.)  you hypocrite! you appear beautiful outward.  yes you were so beautiful, till you fell.)
<NOBR>Mt 23:29</NOBR> Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
<NOBR>Mt 23:30</NOBR> And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
<NOBR>Mt 23:31</NOBR> Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
<NOBR>Mt 23:32</NOBR> Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
<NOBR>Mt 23:33</NOBR> Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?


Now that is all Jesus' words.  He is calling those religious hypocrites fools, blind guides, killers of the prophets, children of those who did so,  they appear religious outside, but are full dead men's bones, inside.

But notice then, he called them  SERPENTS,  A GENERATION OF  VIPERS.

LOOK UP ADAM.  ONE MEANING IS A HYPOCRITE, A MEAN LOW MAN.  It also means SERPENT.

So I ask again,  if Adam was not that SERPENT in the garden,  was it some other religious hypocrite?  who really was the blind guide there, who deceived Eve?

If that SERPENT was not Adam, then how did that Serpent later father these Pharisees?  Jesus called them SERPENTS.  SO ARE THEY SATAN?  ARE THEY A SNAKE?

WAS SATAN THEIR DAD?  HOW DID THAT SERPENT FATHER THESE SERPENTS?

Someone better get to some answers, or else say you care not for truth.


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/10/2006 1:59 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn22</NOBR> Sent: 7/5/2006 4:45 PM
<NOBR>Isa 14:4</NOBR> That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!
<NOBR>Isa 14:5</NOBR> The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.  (who did God set up as rulers of this earth?)  Adam, Noah, Shem, Ham, Jepeth.)


Who is the king of Babylon?  how was his the GOLDEN city?  how and when did it CEASE?

Who were these rulers?  They had a staff, a rod of rulership.  So How did they acquire the kingship of this earth?

<NOBR>Isa 14:12</NOBR> How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
<NOBR>Isa 14:13</NOBR> For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
<NOBR>Isa 14:14</NOBR> I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
<NOBR>Isa 14:15</NOBR> Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
<NOBR>Isa 14:16</NOBR> They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;


Now these verses makes it very clear that it is speaking of the Lucifer of Eze. 28.  See how it says he will be brought down to the PIT. Notice he weakened the nations.  He ruled them.  He is A   MAN  who caused the earth to tremble and shake kingdoms.  Who is this  MAN (it does not say a woman or a spirit.)

Do you believe that Cain and Abel were in this Babylon, golden city?

Let Jesus show you:

<NOBR>Mt 23:34</NOBR> Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
<NOBR>Mt 23:35</NOBR> That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
<NOBR>Mt 23:36</NOBR> Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
<NOBR>Mt 23:37</NOBR> O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
<NOBR>Mt 23:38</NOBR> Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.


Now back to Mt. 23 and Jesus' words against the SERPENTS, the Pharisees of Jerusalem:  v34, he shows that they already killed the servants of God and all his prophets.  v35 -- he started with the blood of  ABEL.  Yes, see, Jesus showed that Abel was killed by the same SERPENTS,  HYPOCRITES,   IN THAT GOLDEN CITY OF BABYLON.

Jesus has not changed one bit, who he is speaking to and about down through all these verses.

v36.  all this comes on this GENERATION....a generation of SERPENTS and vipers.

V37,  HE NAILS IT DOWN AS JERUSALEM.  They are the decendants of that OLD SERPENT in the Garden of Eden.

He showed that they  KILLED ALL THE PROPHETS FROM ABEL DOWN.  (this includes old Cain.)  So Cain lived in that Babylon city of SERPENTS.  He was one of them.  Who was his dad?

Adam knew Eve, his wife, and she conceived and bare Cain.

There you have it.

<NOBR>Re 18:1</NOBR> And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
<NOBR>Re 18:2</NOBR> And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
<NOBR>Re 18:3</NOBR> For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.


This Babylon city, was always noted for her merchandizing;  her love for gold and riches.  She is noted for her fornication (spiritual adultery).

<NOBR>Re 18:5</NOBR> For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.


(you were perfect, until INIQUITY WAS found in you.)

<NOBR>Re 18:7</NOBR> How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.


<NOBR>Re 18:11</NOBR> And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
<NOBR>Re 18:12</NOBR>

The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls,....


see, her gold, silver stones?  Her merchants.....

<NOBR>Re 18:20</NOBR> Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.
<NOBR>Re 18:21</NOBR> And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.


why did God avenge the Apostles and prophets on this rich Babylon city?  Because Jesus showed they are the ones who killed ALL OF THEM, INCLUDING ABEL.

for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
<NOBR>Re 18:24</NOBR> And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.


In Her was found the blood of prophets, and of all that were slain upon earth.  by her ALL NATIONS were deceived,  including Eve.

Now, can anyone doubt that this started with Lucifer in the Garden of Eden?  It was that old serpent, Adam.  You can lay this to no other named in Scripture.

Who did God give the rulership of this earth to?  Find that answer, and you have the answer as to who this OLD SERPENT is.  You will find who Satan is. 

Where is even one Scripture stating that God ever gave Satan the rulership to this earth?

Ever see how God changed many names to another name because of a change in something about their nature?

Abram  -  to Abraham.

Peter  -  to Cephas, a stone.

Jacob  - to Israel.

Saul  - to Paul.

Lucifer  - to Adam.


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/10/2006 2:00 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn22</NOBR> Sent: 7/12/2006 8:00 PM
Jazz,   did you ever see this thread?  Not one of you has YET given me one single verse or place crediting righteousness to ADAM.   Now I ask  WHY?
 
If all the world is sooooooo  sure    that Adam is good,  and not Satan,  then someone show me one word of God stateing that Adam was good or showing where he repented and came back to righteousness.
 
If he did,  God will show it.  God will NOT remember his sins   IF HE REPENTED AND DID RIGHTEOUSNESS.
God said this,  not me.
 
If he did not, then God will not remember or mention his righteousness.  God said so.
 
So now.  All you people who accuse me of evil because God has revealed this anti-chirst to me,   SHOW ME  WHERE THE WORD OF GOD  ASCRIBES RIGHTEOUSNESS  TO  HIS SON,  ADAM.
 
What are you all waiting on?  This subject has gone on here a good long while.....still none of you Adam-lovers  have come forth with Scripture in his defence.
 
Surely, you can 'surf' the internet and find the places where God called Adam righteous?  You find anything else you want to use of misuse.
 
Defend your champ!  Defend your Adam.  Use the Word and show he is good!  I again  challenge all of you.....
 
And if you cannot,  then admit that you are wrong and quit accusing me of bad things.
 
Go over to some of these hateful  know-it-alls, on other boards,  and get this information.  Go over to that group of self-appinted prophets and ask them.
 
They made a big ugly to-do  over that against me because I dare state this truth----ADAM IS SATAN.
None of you---
no not one---
can prove me wrong.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/10/2006 2:06 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn22</NOBR> Sent: 7/15/2006 10:06 PM

See, not one person entered into this discussion.  And yet it is so clear, not one single, sincere, truth-seeker  could study this one thread alone and still doubt that Adam is that old serpent, and Lucifer.

I say people just do not want the truth.  They would rather believe a lie and be damned.

They do not seem to realize that rejecting the Truth of God's Word, will damn their souls to hellfire.

I did a lot of work to give you this study, yet no one entered into it.

They get mighty upset and call me names, because I challenge them to find proof of these things.  But that is not to be smart or lift myself up.  It is to bring to your own attention that if you cannot back up your beliefs with Scripture, and I present this much proving this is truth,  then if you were honest with God, you would consider that maybe, just maybe,  with all this Scripture saying what I am saying,  IT JUST MIGHT BE THE TRUTH?

Why cannot you not come to this honest conclusion?  Do you not care for truth and your own souls' eternal destination?

I have done all I know to do to prove this truth.  It is just that people refuse this great truth.  You are not rejecting me,  you are rejecting God.  It is HIS word.

 

JO


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/29/2007 3:15 AM
Now, I have given you enough Scriptural PROOF here to prove to the dumbest, blindest, hardest hearted person alive, 
that Jerusalem is linked totally back to Babylon, which is linked totally back to the Garden of Eden,
to the Anointed Cherub in the Garden of Eden, in Eze. 28 and that the serpent, Satan, anointed Cherub are all one and the same being, and can be none other than  ADAM,  THE SON OF GOD.
 
If you can study this thread,  only this one,  and not see this,  do not go around telling me you understand all the commentaries,
and know what is false in the KJV, and know what is a pre-triber, or a post -triber,
or mid -triber, or no- triber,  etc. etc.   when  such mess is not once mentioned in all of God's Holy Word.
 

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/29/2007 3:28 AM
How is it some of you can discern the face of all the commentaries,  all the history books,  all the scholars' words,
all the teacher's words, and discern out all the many errors in the KJV
 and know what the correct answer should be, 
 
  BUT CANNOT    DISCERN  OUT THESE SIMPLE  VERSES,  WHICH  ,  JOINED TOGETHER  THUS,  FULLY
AND
CLEARLY
'EXPLAIN   EXACTY
WHO
WHAT AND WHEN THE SERPENTS WERE.
 
This fully and completely explains,  without any chance of error, 
exactly what Babylon is, 
 what and who lucifer was and is, 
and who the serpents is, and
what the stones of fire were, 
and who they were, and who ruled over them, and how he came to be the ANOINTED OF THE LORD......and that he will be taken in our pits and placed in the pit.
 
now some of you smart ones,  discern this simple fact out,  which is ALREADY laid out clearly,  using only  KJV Scriptures.
 
(who is not of God?)  who has the anointing teaching them?  come one now,  some of you need to step up on the podium and preach some truth to us.

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