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(I just found this one and realized it is not on our special board about Adam and these original doings. so will bring it now to this special board.)
| OK, let's continue to study this thing out of Eve, Abel, Cain and Adam. Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. Now the above shows that the law was only a shadow of the good things to come in the NT. You see here that the sacrifices of animals was offered by the law. It said this could never make the people perfect. If it had, they would never have had to kill another animal. I have heard many people say this animal offering covered the people’s sins for a year at a time or rolled them back. I cannot find that anywhere in the Scriptures. If any of you know of such a scripture, please show me where it is. Until someone shows me that in the Word, I am going to assume that this is a false concept, just as it is a false concept that God is the one who instituted animal sacrifices. See verse three shows that those sacrifices brought their sins into remembrance, not covered them up. Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. This is Jesus speaking. Jesus said that God never wanted those sacrifices and offerings. That is what ‘thou wouldest not�?means. Jesus said, In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin God had no pleasure in that. Now that is Jesus�?words. Do you believe him? Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; Jesus said he is the one who did the will of God, not those animals. He repeats here for confirmation, that God had no pleasure in those sacrifices which are offered by the LAW. Now did God ever want anyone to be under law? Everyone seems to be mistaken here also. They all seem to think that God himself put the people under law. But is this true? No, it is a lie. That law is the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Did God tell anyone to partake of that tree? No! He commanded Adam NOT to eat of that tree. God told Adam that the law would bring death. And so it did. Remember the above Scripture, that the animal sacrifices were offered by the LAW. Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. Now he tells us that Jesus took away that first covenant of law, and established the second covenant of grace. By this second covenant we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ and this is one time forever. It perfect us and we never have a consciousness of sins again. Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; Again it says that those animal sacrifices could never take away sins. So why would God require this? The one offering of Jesus satisfied God and Jesus sat down at rest from his labour to give us birth. Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. See with the offering of Jesus our sins are never remembered again. This is the only time sins were ever remitted. So, it is clearly evident from the above verses, that Abel did NOT offer the blood of an animal to God. Abel was in Grace. No one in law is of faith, for the law is not of faith. The Word clearly states that Abel moved BY FAITH. This means Abel was worshipping God by Faith, or grace, the second covenant. He was sanctified by the blood of Jesus Christ, same as I am. Cain is the one who killed that animal sheep and offered animal blood to God. this is why God had no respect to Cain's offering. It is doing DISPITE TO THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST TO TRY TO COME TO GOD UNDER THE BLOOD OF ANIMALS, THEN AS WELL AS NOW.! | |
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| Stephen, the two different geneogologies in the Word, for Jesus, is not one being of Mary, as most people suppose. Notice that the one in Matthew begins with ABRAHAM. It does not go back to Adam. the reason? this is a spiritual line. They both go through Joseph, but not because Joseph was a natural parent of Jesus. The list of parents in Matthew is the Men who passed on to the next generation the SPIRIT SEED. this is a spiritual geneology, not a fleshly one. It had nothing to do with the fleshly seed. That is why it begins with Abraham. Abraham is the FATHER, or originator of the faith people. If you have time, please go to our unmovable pages, on the left collumn of the board, and read the Proof of Emmanuel. I wrote a powerful message on Emmanuel. That is also a stationary message here. So is the PROOF OF EMMANUEL. In this message, I fully explain the two lines of the genology in Matt. and Luke. Please read that and get back to me. If you need further assistance with this, let me know. If it does not come clear, I will go and show you more on it. But I think you will find this message very informative, enlightening and nourishing, spiritually. | |
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| From: Isaiah | Sent: 8/20/2006 4:41 PM | Ro 4:13 <DIR> For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. ( See that promise did not come through the law but through the righteousness of faith. </DIR> Ro 4:14 <DIR> For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: ( He said here if they could come in through the law what good would faith be. He said none that it is made void and the promise made of none effect: </DIR> Romans 9:31**** But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 9:32 *****Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; ( He said that there is no righteousnesss under the law. Gal. 2:16 **** Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. ( There was and still no justication under the law) Gal 3:10 ****For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 3:11 ****But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. ( again showing no justification coming from the law.) 3:12 ****And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 3:13 **** Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: ( Praise the the Lord we are redeemed from that curse. Gal 3:23 **** But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 3:24 **** Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 3:25 **** But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. Showing again we are no longer under a schoolmaster which was the law. 1 Tim 1:3 **** As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine, 1:4 **** Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do. 1:5 **** Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: 1:6 **** From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; 1:7 **** Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. 1:8 **** But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 1:9 **** Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 1:10 **** For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 1:11 **** According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust. 1:12 **** And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; 1:13 **** Who was before a blasphemer , and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief. ( If you go back to the law as Paul was doing at the beginnining at the first but he did it ignorantly because he did not believe the way of faith you become a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious to the gospel of Jesus Christ. You will not be able to say I did it ignorantly BECAUSE THERE IS SO MUCH ON GOING BACK TO LAW HERE AND IF YOU DO IT YOU ARE FALLEN FROM GRACE AND BECOME A BLASPHEMER AND A PERSECUTOR. Gal 3:13 **** Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: As I was reading the above post that I did I saw something here that I had never saw before. What was the curse? *************************** Gal 3:10 ****For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: ********************** Now what curse is he talking about? Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: ********** Now what tree? *************************** The tree of knowledge of good and evil. Go back to Genius chapter 3 and you will see. It started in Gen. chapter 2 when the LORD God said ***********But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Now in chapter 3 of Genius AFTER THEY HAD EATEN FROM THE TREE OF GOOD AND EVIL AND THEIR UNDERSTANDIN WAS OPENED. *************************************** To show that if you hangeth upon that tree you will be cursed( the knowledge of good and evil which was the law. You may say well that was not the law. Well to prove it you let me show you****************************** Ro 3:20 ******************Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no * * flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. *********************** NOW TO SHOW YOU THAT IF YOU HANGETH UPON THE LAW AND THE 10 YOU WILL BE CURSED AS THE MAN AND THE SERPENT. I CAN NOT SAY THE WOMAN WAS CURSED BECAUSE I SEE IT NOT IN THE SCRIPTURE HERE IN GENIUS. IF YOU SEE IT YOU ARE READING SOMETHING DIFFERT FROM ME. But the scripture did say********************** Gen. 3:14 ***************** And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: Ok now to the man *********************** 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; So if you eat of the tree which is law knowledge of good and evil you will be cursed and you will surely die in your sins. You have a choice to hangeth to that tree and be curse or God gave them a chance as he will anyone. How? ******************************* Gen.3:22******** And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: | |
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(well it looks like we jumped off the subject of Eve and got onto law. think this would have been more fitting to put on the law board; oh well, Scripture is Scripture. still a good study.)
Gal 3:10 ****For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 3:11 ****But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. ( again showing no justification coming from the law.) 3:12 ****And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 3:13 **** Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: ( Praise the the Lord we are redeemed from that curse. Gal 3:23 **** But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 3:24 **** Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 3:25 **** But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Read those verses: those who are under the works of the law are under the CURSE. No man is justified by the LAW. The LAW is not of faith, and without faith it is impossible to please God. Christ has redeemed us from the CURSE OF THE LAW. Now is all sensibility, HOW could that 'law' it is speaking of here, be the SAME LAW which we establish with our faith? There is NO WAY THOSE WORDS COULD FIT THE SAME LAW. ...AND THIS IS FREEBORN. | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 8/20/2006 8:18 PM | | Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. | | For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. | | But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. |
Now this is the same Paul, mind you. He said we must be DEAD to the law to be married to Christ. so then, how could Christ make this same law, which we are dead to, be alive and holy and good? Just is not true. then he said when we were in flesh, the motions of SIN which were by the law, worked in us to bring forth fruit to DEATH. Again, how then could christ take this law , which made sin, and brought forth fruit to DEATH, how could he then take that same law and make it holy and life to us? That would be contradicting this entire passage, which they say Paul wrote. Then he made it plain that Jesus DELIVERED us from that same LAW, that being DEAD wherein we were held. Nope, You must get into some better understanding than this to have any truth. what you are saying could not possibly fit this. Nope, there are two different LAWS. | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 8/20/2006 8:30 PM | | | I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. | | For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: | | But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. | | O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? |
He said that man found a LAW, that when he would do good, EVIL is also present with me. Now how could that be? How could he will to do GOOD and EVIL be present also? Only one way, he was eating of the tree of knowledge of GOOD AND EVIL. Both are on that tree, the LAW OF MOSES. Meditate on this. Evil is NOT present in the tree of life. Evil is not present to those who are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the FLESH, but after the Spirit. For the Spirit hath made me FREE FROM THE LAW OF SIN AND DEATH. Now back to the evil being present... If Jesus has delivered us from that law, which brought forth fruit unto DEATH, then that evil is no longer present with us. else there would be no deliverance. look at v 22. He said I delight in the LAW OF GOD after the inward man..........then........ v23, BUT I SEE ANOTHER LAW....waring against me and bringing me into captivity. If he is in captivity, he has not been delivered or set free. So then this law which wars with him, and brings forth fruit unto DEATH, is that tree of the knowledge of good and evil. It is that other law. God forbid man to partake of this other law. But Adam rebelled and partook of this other law. trouble is he liked it and clung to it all his life. so he brought forth DEATH. Now doesn't that agree with all Scripture? Of course it does. so then, this captivity law, could not possibly be the Perfect Royal law of LIBERITY. How could a law which brings forth sin, fruit unto death, and bondage, be this Royal law of LIBERITY? there is no way. It is two different laws. one is that law of Moses, the other is the law of God. and they are not one and the same. see this Scripture PROVES beyond a doubt, (at least to people who can reason and think_) that it is two different laws, two different covenants, two different TREES. One is Satan, the other is Christ. | |
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| From: Isaiah | Sent: 8/20/2006 8:54 PM | Going back to the works of the law is the curse. 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles Paul said if you go back to LAW you FALL from GRACE. This is in Galatians. I did not make this up; I read it in Paul's book. So see there has to be an understanding of law that most people do NOT have. Sure we keep God's law; but this is totally different from going back to the law of Moses, the 10 commandments. This is NOT GOD'S LAW. God's law is that we come to his Son Jesus Christ; that life in Christ Jesus set us FREE FROM THE LAW OF SIN AND DEATH. Now, that is the law I live by; the law of life in Christ Jesus. This is God's law. If you go back to the law of COMMANDMENTS you FALL FROM GRACE, WHICH IS TO BE IN HEAVEN. Free from law Isaiah | |
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| From: Isaiah | Sent: 8/20/2006 9:03 PM |
Read Hebrews, Galatians, Romans, and all the other books; they very clearly teach that the law of Moses (the 10 commandments) were only for those people who walked in ungodliness and disobedience to the Lord. The law was NEVER given to a righteous man. The reason? A righteous man lives a Holy Life by the Spirit of God. He does not have to be under commandments to obey God; he obeys out of love for God. This is all God will ever accept. Abraham walked in faith and pleased God WITHOUT ANY COMMANDMENTS. God's Word is the proof. The promises to Abraham that he should be the heir of the world was made to him 430 years BEFORE ANY 10 COMMANDMENTS WERE IMPLEMENTED BY MOSES. Now that alone proves it is not by that law. The LAW of LIFE IN CHRIST JESUS hath made me FREE from the LAW of sin and death. That 10 commandment law is that law of SIN AND DEATH = IF YOU SIN UNDER THAT LAW == YOU DIE WITHOUT MERCY. See? Sin and die = sin and death = the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. No mercy. = no grace. So if you choose that law, you deny yourself grace or God's mercy. This can only bring you death = eternal death. For by GRACE are you saved.......... by the LAW is no salvation. Paul said if you go back to LAW you FALL from GRACE. This is in Galations. I did not make this up; I read it in Paul's book. So see there has to be an understanding of law that most people do NOT have. Sure we keep God's law; but this is totally different from going back to the law of Moses, the 10 commandments. This is NOT GOD'S LAW. God's law is that we come to his Son Jesus Christ; that life in Christ Jesus set us FREE FROM THE LAW OF SIN AND DEATH.
Now, that is the law I live by; the law of life in Christ Jesus. This is God's law. If you go back to the law of COMMANDMENTS you FALL FROM GRACE, WHICH IS TO BE IN HEAVEN. Free from law. Galatians 3
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: Romans 8
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Romans 8
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Galatians 4
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. Galatians 5
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. So if you choose that law, you deny yourself grace or God's mercy. This can only bring you death = eternal death. For by GRACE are you saved.......... by the LAW is no salvation. Only tares could believe that the 10 commandments were ETERNAL, when the Word of God said that law was given 430 years AFTER Abraham lived on earth. So all I can tell you is the TRUE CHURCH OF GOD BELIEVES HIS WORD. WE KNOW THE 10 COMMANDMENTS ARE NOT ETERNAL. They had a beginning ~~ 430 after the promises to Abraham that he would be heir of the world by FAITH! ~~~~~ and they had an end~~ at Calvary. So go ahead ~~ worship that 'beast' and his image; that seventh head which was killed with the Sword at Calvary and revived by a carnal church desiring to make it to heaven on their own works of 'keeping commandments'. Not me!!!! I will stay with Grace, for by Grace are we saved and not by works of the law. By law is no faith; without faith it is impossible to please God. It is very clear in Romans 7 and Romans 8 that there are TWO DIFFERENT LAWS OF GOD. One is the LAW of sin and death. That is the OT law. The new law is Life in Christ Jesus; freedom from the Old Law covenant. Isaiah | |
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| From: Isaiah | Sent: 8/21/2006 5:54 AM | Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Now this proves that after one truly gets into Christ, they are no longer under the law. So if you are still under the law, you are not in Christ. Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ. Jesus was made under law to redeem them who were under law. So then redemption means one has been delivered from the law. So then it is proven that there can be no salvation under the law. If so, why did they have to be redeemed from the law? Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Paul admonishes the Christians to stand fast in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us FREE. So Grace is freedom. Be not entangled AGAIN with the yoke of BONDAGE. So what is that bondage? Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Paul admonishes the Christians to stand fast in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us FREE. So Grace is freedom. Be not entangled AGAIN with the yoke of BONDAGE. So what is that bondage? Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Paul admonishes the Christians to stand fast in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us FREE. So Grace is freedom. Be not entangled AGAIN with the yoke of BONDAGE. So what is that bondage? Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. If you go back to law you fall from grace and Jesus Christ is then of no effect unto you. He said if you are led of the Spirit, you are not under law. So then there was and is no leadership of the Spirit or Holy Ghost under the law. It is strictly fleshly. One is led of their own fleshly desires and lusts under law. It is the works of the flesh. It is the spirit which is at work in the children of disobedience. So then it is disobedience to God to be under law. This was the sin of Adam. He left grace and went into the works of the law. Why? Read the rest of Gal. five. It tells of the works of the flesh: adultery, fornication, drunkenness etc. This is the life people live under the law | |
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| Read Acts 15. do you think for on minute that peter knew what he was talking about? Or did Jesus mess up when he gave his keys to Peter? Did Peter think that the old law was mixing in with Christianity? No of course. He said we do not command you to keep the law of moses. Do you think Paul was mad when he told them not to go back to law? Paul said let them be accusrsed who teach such things. Did they miss the truth? if so what we gonna go by? Do you think perhaps these people today, mixing law with their religion, know more than these Apostles did. Perhaps, they should have waited for ellen white and found out that old law is more important. lol No need to try and show them these things, Isaiah. They do not wish to learn truth. They wish to mock truth. It will be their own lose, not ours. Surely Peter and Paul had NT salvation? Yet they both preached AGAINST OLD T. LAW. | |
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| Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are UNDER THE LAW: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. | | For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not UNDER THE LAW, but under grace. | | What then? shall we sin, because we are not UNDER THE LAW, but under grace? God forbid. | | And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are UNDER THE LAW, as UNDER THE LAW, that I might gain them that are UNDER THE LAW; | | To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but UNDER THE LAW to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. | | But before faith came, we were kept UNDER THE LAW, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. | | But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made UNDER THE LAW, | | To redeem them that were UNDER THE LAW, that we might receive the adoption of sons. | | Tell me, ye that desire to be UNDER THE LAW, do ye not hear the law? | | But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not UNDER THE LAW. | Pretty clear to me. |
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Reply # 15 I swear, someone has been hitting the moonshine, with this one. LOL Eric __________________________________________________
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Pretty clear to me, to me also, Axs. If we are led of the Spirit, it is clear to us, for we are not under the law. all who are under law, think it crazy not to be under that bondage. Thank God, he deliverd me. |
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Reply to 2 Jo you are right ! Eric __________________________________________________
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