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Adam; Satan : Satan is Adam
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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 1/9/2007 4:44 PM

~ Proof that Satan is Adam ~

Today is Tuesday, Jan. 9, 2007. This will be my first message in 2007. It will be only a small account of this matter. Let’s look at some Scripture which identifies this dragon, which is the beast, which is mankind. I have already proven this message so many different ways and from many Scriptures, yet people still deny this truth. So here is yet another solid proof in Scripture, that Satan is Adam, the Serpent.

Re 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Notice the description here of the dragon. He is red. Strongs: (Adam)-- rom 0119 ; TWOT - 25a; n m

AV - man 408, men 121, Adam 13, person(s) 8, common sort +
07230 1,
hypocrite 1; 552 1) man, mankind
1a) man, human being

0119 // Mda // 'adam // aw-dam' //

0119 // Mda // 'adam // aw-dam' //
of unknown derivation; TWOT - 26b; v

AV - dyed red 5, red 4 ruddy 1; 10

1) to be red, red 1c1) to cause to show red
1c2) to glare
1c3) to emit (show) redness 1a) (Qal) ruddy (of Nazarites)
1b) (Pual)
1b1) to be rubbed red
1b2) dyed red
1b3) reddened 1c) (Hiphil)
1d) (Hithpael)
1d1) to redden
1d2) to grow red
1d3) to look red


Now the above is Strongs meaning of Adam. Here is his meaning for dragon: 1404 // drakwn // drakon // drak'-own //

probably from an alternate form of derkomai (to look);
TDNT - 2:281,186; n m

AV - dragon 13; 13
1) a dragon, a great serpent, a name for Satan

Why RED? The Word declares that our sins are red, scarlet, crimson, which are shades of red. Red shows sin. So this dragon was or is full of sin.

 

Re 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, Re 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. Re 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Now after this old serpent, called the Devil and Satan, was cast out of heaven, (in the Spirit), he was cast out (0f the garden of Eden) into the earth.

So after he is cast into the earth, what shows up on earth? Re 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. Re 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. (HE is called a beast now, for he has been reduced to human mortal flesh.)

Here a ‘beast�?comes up out of the sea upon the sand of the sea. What is the description of this ‘beast�? It is identical to the dragon in heaven. Notice that it is also described exactly as having all the characteristics of the beast described in Daniel. This beast is the kingdoms of man on earth. It has the seven heads and the ten horns. This kingdom is full of the name of blasphemy. This is that dragon after he was cast out of heaven and came up on earth. It is the very same being or kingdom. This change from heaven to earth took place when God clothed the ‘heavens�? Adam and Eve, the Spiritual people, with darkness, or this mortal flesh. It is where God clothed them with skin, which is our mortal flesh.

So after they became mortal beings, they were no longer in the Spirit, or heaven. They are now in flesh, or on earth. So Adam, Satan, again sets up his kingdom. This time it is on earth, but it is the very same kind of kingdom, full of sin.

Look at this verse one more time: Re 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Now this verse clearly shows that the dragon is that old serpent, and he is called the Devil and Satan. Now I can not see how anyone can keep denying this much proof that the old serpent which deceived Eve is also this same dragon, Satan. They are one and the same person. If you deny this, you must call the Word of God a lie. So why bother to claim that you read it, believe it, or teach it?

Here is the verifying Scripture that this dragon is also the old serpent, which is Satan: Re 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

Now you must simply totally disregard Scripture to keep saying that Satan USED the serpent to deceive Eve. No Scripture says this. I have proven here by several perfectly quoted verses that the old serpent is actually that dragon, Satan, the Devil. So everyone who claims that the dragon is different from the serpent or Satan or the Devil, is showing that they do not know the Word of God and that they do not believe the Word of God and they most certainly are not teaching the Word of God. They are teaching some man’s made-up junk.

By: Jo Smith

 



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From: IsaiahSent: 1/9/2007 5:12 PM
Re 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
 
As I was reading this scripture, I notice that it said he was cast out into the earth, not on the earth. So what I am seeing is that he was cast into man, (Adam) the fleshly body . 

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 1/10/2007 10:43 AM
Thats exactly right, Isaiah.  And this is precisely why people cannot understand Scripture.  They only see one carnal meaning for words.
 
We have people who vehemently deny all that we teach and call it lies and wrong, and yet they constantly deny all that the Word says.  They claim that we must NOT take the Word  spiritually.
They claim that it MUST be literally discerned.  I have shown them over and over the Scripture which says that we must spiritually discern the Word, comparing  SPIRITUAL THINGS WITH SPIRITUAL,  yet these same men come right back and declare that it is false to discern the Word spiritually.
 
Thus they call God himself a lie, thinking they know more about God than He does.  And believe it or not,  people fall into this deception, for they have set some man up as the Word of God.
 
If they believe in Branham, then they must seek to see what Branham said on a subject, not what the Word said.
If they believe in Scofield, then they seek to see what Scofield said,  not what the Word says.
If it is Dakes they believe then they seek to see what Dakes said, not what the Word says.  Thus they turn from God to some man.
 
Now see, the Word shows that Adam was first in the image of God.  God is a spirit.  So Adam was in a spiritual body.  Then when he sinned and became rebellious to God,  God placed him into a body of death  =  mortal.
 
God clothed the heavens,  the spiritual people,  with mortal skin.  Then they were out into the earth  =  the earth meaning the outer courts, or the outer man of flesh.,
Heaven is the inner man, or the Spiritual person.  We must not walk in the flesh, but in the Spirit.
 
So we who walk in the Spirit, denying the flesh, mortifying the deeds of the flesh, are in heaven.  Yet carnal men, who take the word 'literal',  think heaven is another planet out in space somewhere.
 
See they are too carnal to understand one spiritual thing.  Thus they claim the Word must be literally discerned,  calling God himself a LIE.
 
That was a good revelation you received.

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From: MSN NicknameAxs2-381Sent: 1/10/2007 4:25 PM
Joie, you are right, they take these men over the written word. I see where some are even saying that Baptism Does Not Remit Sins, when the word clearly shows that it does.
 
<NOBR>Ac 2:38</NOBR> Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost
 WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE?

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 1/11/2007 10:08 AM
You are so right, Axs.  People are clearly calling the entire Word of God a lie.  These lies have been stressed and pounded so much by the false teachers in our world, that almost eveyone thinks truth is a lie and a monster.
 
These people think nothing about teaching junk that is now even once written in Scripture and then calling what is written a lie.
 
I see it all the time.  These people say we should take all manner of  'theories'  and discern which of these 'theories' best suits what they believe.  How is that going to produce any truth?  it cannot.  Theories are man-made myths.
 
I have told people so many times I cannot count them,  that  IF IT IS NOT WRITTEN   IT IS LIES.
 
I just recently read where some man says that  God made the body of Jesus without any part of Mary.   This person gets his wild thoughts from one of the worst liars I have ever run into,  William Branham.  This man, Branham, declared that Mary was not the Mother of Jesus,  but only an incubator.
 
Many verses declare that Mary is the Mother of Jesus.  Not one single verse says that she was an incubator.  So why would men follow this man above the Word of God?  
They love darkness  (lies) rather than LIGHT  (truth)   because their deeds are evil.
Yet people will listen to them and pet them and not take a stand against this kind of evil, which is destroying this world   in sickness and death.
 
Jo

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From: MSN Nicknamerollingstone444Sent: 1/12/2007 4:13 AM
I think you are right about this.  lies causes a lots of trouble for everyone.  i think telling lies is one of the worse things you can do.  preachers make a living telling lies.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 1/13/2007 2:56 AM
I say a big AMEN,  to that one,  rollingstone444.  maybe I should come up to the pole and visit sometimes.  seems to give you a good mind.  lol

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