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p.s. I am starting a new thread again. Ten is enough for one thread. But there is still too much good in the thread from which I am copying, that I do not want to lose any of it. I truly need to go to bed, but do not want to lose this thread before I finish moving it. Too much good in it, and as I said, I would not be able to find it again. So here goes with the finishing of this long but good discussion we had back in 2003.
| From: joie | Sent: 9/1/2003 9:59 PM | | Lolady, I do not for one minute mean to insinuate that Jesus had evil thoughts. Of course he did not. But to be tempted is another matter. See, If my thoughts try to lead me in a wrong direction, then I must resist that. Jesus said, resist the devil and he will flee from you. He also had to resist this thing. And at this point I know there are still aspects of this which are not completely clear. For one thing, I personally, at this point. believe that when Adam, Cain and all the other sinful men died, their 'spirits' entered into the relmns of the spiritworld and therefore roam around in the atmosphere seeking another body to get into. I cannot prove this right now. I base it on some Scritpure in Job. Also remember that those spirits, devils and such have to be accounted for in the Word. There has to be some explaination for their origins. God did not leave these matters to man to try and 'figure' out; for he cannot figure it out. So the answers have to be written in the Word. I have not been able to find reference to their origin nor to Satan's origin IF IT IS NOT ADAM AND CAIN. Do you people know of any Scripture which shows where and how they came to be? I believe that the spirit of Adam was tempting Jesus. See, they were in contention with each other on the basis of the 'son' of God. This spirit tried to frighten Jesus at one point by pointing out that Jesus is human flesh and therefore doomed to destruction. See, all this is recorded in places in the O.T. Scriptures. And I do not doubt but what it could have been Jesus' own mind trying to tempt him. I do not know and cannot say for sure right now. But even if this is the case, it would not mean Jesus had an evil mind or thought; it means that the temptation was there; but he resisted this. That is not sin. Glad to hear from you again. bye for now. Jo | |
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joie I don't know how this is but I believe this has a connection. I also believe this somehow to be connected to Adam being kicked out of the Garden but yet I can not exactley say until God shows more proof of it.
Re 12:7 **** And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, Re 12:9 *** And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Somehow or another these spirits are the ones walking to and fro. Job 1:7 *** And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. Job 2:2 ***And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. Not only are these spirits spiritual but they are also natural as we see from this scripture. Ac 19:13 _ Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth. ( was this not the same thing that Cain was called? A vagabond and a fugitive? Ge 4:12 ****When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. Ge 4:14 ******* Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. Somehow all this is connected
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| Dear Joi, In my message 30 I was responding to what you said in one of your messages which is the following:
So don't you see by this, that the thoughts of our own heart are what come OUT OF US? If Satan were a spirit outside of ourselves, then that would have to ENTER INTO US. But the truth of it is, it is inside us. Now I admit that Satan, (coming from the carnal thoughts of others) can enter into your MIND and defile you. That is why we should only look at, read, and think on Holy things. If you let others communicate unholy things to you, it will get into your own mind and defile you.
I was only making the point the satan does not have to enter us in order to tempt us, with the example of satan tempting Jesus. And we agree that the devil did not enter Jesus. The devil or his demons can and do enter a body whether pig or person, in order to possess a form, and there are other examples in the bible to show this. The devil had a hayday with King Saul as we read in 1 Samuel. We know that King Saul was appointed by God, and he was obedient to God at the beginning of his reign, but then he started to dabble around with the spirit world, and then disobeying God. This is just one of the ways one can be possessed of the devil.Obviously King Saul did not resist the devil and when God turned from him and wouldn't hear his prayers any more, he returned to the witches or.fortune tellers for more advice. the man must have been possessed. We are told in scripture that satan comes to kill, rob, and destroy the children of God. I believe he does this through our minds, tempting us when we are low and if he finds an opening, or a welcome, he will take over. He has been around for a long time and knows our weaknesses, don't you think? People can be delivered, and are, I believe, but they go through much torment in the process of their disobediance. We must renew our mind, when we are born again. This is up to us! I agree with you totally. But satan is a spirit and I will also look for scripture along with you on the subject. LL | |
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| Hi Isaiah, Pretty straight forward. Isn't it! ( all the scriptures you gave ) But I do not see in any of the scripture, in Job, where it implies that they are natural and spiritual. Because they were walking to and fro, does not lead me to think that they are natural. Unless of course they possessed a person. I have seen an angel of God, but never any of the devils troupe. God's angels can make themselves appear in a form of a person, to give a message, and I have had this kind of visitation. But the demons of the devil, I have always thought they have to possess a body. That I can stand corrected on. LL | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 9/1/2003 11:59 PM | | Larry, you are exactly right!!! My, that is very good. Know what, I had never connected that with Adam before, unless I have forgotten it. But I really think I have considered it, but did not persue it. But you are right, that does exactly show what happened back there in that Garden. Yep. You and Lolady are both doing some good work and thinking with this subject. Lolady, I appreciate your attitude with this. If more people would just take the time to study these things and truly seek for the truthful answers instead of trying to disprove everything they hear which they have never heard before, then God would reveal these things to us. I know we are onto the truth for sure. Yes, there are satanic spirits out there, outside ourselves; but then our own carnal mind is the same thing. We can let our own carnal mind (if that is what we have) lead us astray into evil. or we can let another evil spirit = (mind) come into us from an external source. But the thing is those external spirits started there with ADAM. That is what I am saying. Remember, I said it is A FULL KINGDOM? People are just going to have to try to get this a little here and a little there or miss the truth altogether. I will try to write you a letter tomorrow. Had too much going on to do it yet. Started one, but was taken off line. So will wait until I feel in a better frame of mind to do it. am too tired right now. Nite to you all. Me | |
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| Ac 19:13 _ Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth. ( was this not the same thing that Cain was called? A vagabond and a fugitive? lol I hope you see by these Jews being vagabonds and exorcists that they had the same spirit of Cain which was a spirit of his daddy Adam. Sure there are spirits of Stan walking around here. Again we can use the same scriptures that we used before to prove this. Job 1:7 ***** And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. 2:2 ****And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. The walking to and fro is what makes it of Satan somehow this links it. Mt 7:15 ****** Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Mt.-23:25***** Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess ( see the outside makes these look to be so lovely but on the inside they are full of extortion and excess. ( Extortion means that they were as raving wolves ready to destroy your soul. 1Pe 5:8 ***** Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: ( there is that walking about again. So still somehow this walking to and fro means that it is of SATAN. I know for sure there are people that are running to and fro thinking that God is over there but when they get over there there are others that say to them, no come over here God is not over there he is over here and when they get there others will say to them. Come over here we have God's man of the hour over here. He can do great signs, miracles and wonderes. He can call you out and God shows him what is the matter with you and he speaks and you are healed and make them believe they are yet walking out in the same condition that they had to begin with. I am here to tell anyone that God is every where and this is nothing but walking to and fro in the earth and it is of Satan. 2Th 2:9 *** Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, ( ALL THESE ARE NOTHING BUT LIES OF SATAN 2Co 11:14 ******* And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
( See they have just enough of the light that it makes it looks like they are an angel of God but they are of THE MASTER DECEIVER SATAN HIMSELF AND HE WAS A LIE FROM THE BEGINNING. 1Ti 5:15**** For some are already turned aside after Satan.
Re 2:13 *** I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
Re 12:9 ****And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. ( SO THERE ARE SATAN AND HIS ANGELS WALKING AROUND IN THE NATURAL AND APPEARING TO BE OF GOD BUT THEY ARE NOT OF GOD. THEY ARE OUT THERE WALKING TO AND FRO TO SEE WHO THEY CAN DECEIVE. DECEIVING AND BEING DECEIVED. 2Ti 3:13 ***** But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse *, deceiving, and being deceived. Let's not be deceived?** Jude 1:16 **** These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling [words], having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. There are Satan and his angels out there walking to and fro talking advantage of the people of God. 2Co 2:11 *** Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices. ( Praise God we are not ignorant of his devices and he has many but God is able to deliver us from these devices but there is something that we also have to do. God will not go it alone. We must Jas 4:7 ***** Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. | |
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| Hello Isaiah, REferring to this part in your last message.................... lol I hope you see by these Jews being vagabonds and exorcists that they had the same spirit of Cain which was a spirit of his daddy Adam. Sure there are spirits of Stan walking around here. Again we can use the same scriptures that we used before to prove this. Excuse me if I misunderstood, but are you saying that the Jews referred to as vagabonds, had evil spirits in them?Because it was not them, it was the ones that they called over that had the evil spirits in them. Just to be clear on that point. But if you are referring to evil spirits having a natural form when they are possessing a pereson, like the ones that were called over, well then yes, in this way they do have a natural form. But without a natural body, they are merely spirits walking to and fro like a roaring lion looking to see who they can devour. And in some cases possess. Also, I find it difficult to clump together, a) people who are searching and running around, from place to place seeking a healing , or honestly searching for the anointing of God and, b) the false prophets (in sheeps clothing) and say that these are evil spirits walking or running, to and fro. This is not what you meant, is it? Just wanting to be clear. LL | |
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| No lolady I meant it just as I said. The running to and fro believing in a lying prophet and think you can get something from this man is of a Satan spirit. 1Pe 5:8 ***** Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: ( there is that walking about again. So still somehow this walking to and fro means that it is of SATAN. I know for sure there are people that are running to and fro thinking that God is over there but when they get over there there are others that say to them, no come over here God is not over there he is over here and when they get there others will say to them. Come over here we have God's man of the hour over here. He can do great signs, miracles and wonderes. He can call you out and God shows him what is the matter with you and he speaks and you are healed and make them believe they are yet walking out in the same condition that they had to begin with. I am here to tell anyone that God is every where and this is nothing but walking to and fro in the earth and it is of Satan. Read this and see what I am saying here. 2Th 2:9 *** Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, ( ALL THESE ARE NOTHING BUT LIES OF SATAN 2Co 11:14 ******* And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
( See they have just enough of the light that it makes it looks like they are an angel of God but they are of THE MASTER DECEIVER SATAN HIMSELF AND HE WAS A LIE FROM THE BEGINNING. 1Ti 5:15**** For some are already turned aside after Satan.
Re 2:13 *** I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
Re 12:9 ****And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. ( SO THERE ARE SATAN AND HIS ANGELS WALKING AROUND IN THE NATURAL AND APPEARING TO BE OF GOD BUT THEY ARE NOT OF GOD. THEY ARE OUT THERE WALKING TO AND FRO TO SEE WHO THEY CAN DECEIVE. DECEIVING AND BEING DECEIVED. 2Ti 3:13 ***** But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse *, deceiving, and being deceived. Let's not be deceived?** Jude 1:16 **** These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling [words], having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. There are Satan and his angels out there walking to and fro talking advantage of the people of God. 2Co 2:11 *** Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices. ( Praise God we are not ignorant of his devices and he has many but God is able to deliver us from these devices but there is something that we also have to do. God will not go it alone. We must | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 9/3/2003 1:25 AM | | My that is some powerful and wonderful preaching and teaching you are doing there Larry. That is some more good and true stuff. Now I know that as long as a person does not have their spiritual eyes fully open and are seeing the fake spiritual work going on in these 'high places' = churches, then they will not see what you and I see. It deceives them so they think it is of God. Now let me give this testimony: Last year, about this time, I went to Gene's church for the first time to see this evangelist which I told Lolady about today in a personal letter. Lolady, you are the one I am writing this to anyway; you know what I am refering to. Now at that time I did not know this man. But as God is my witness, in what I am going to tell you, this is THE PURE TRUTH. God knows I lie not. As I was driving out of my drive way to go, God spoke very clearly to me and said, This is running to and fro. Larry can tell you I have told him this. See God had told me years ago to get out of all those churches and stay out. So as I drove out of this yard, God said that to me. I had an ear infection. I did not know this man claimed to be able to catch what is wrong with people and heal them. After he preached, they had prayer for the sick. I went up, hoping to get my ears healed. He did not even ask me what I wanted prayer for. He only lightly touched me and said there you have it. The spirit ran all through you and you have it. I HAD NOTHING. I had not the moving of the Spirit nor healing. I finally had to go to the doctor and get something for my ears. When I pray and wait on God, I do not go to doctors. But see, I went to 'him' that man, and it did not work. Now you know what I wrote you today. It proved out. But that day, that preacher got up to preach and the very first thing which he said was this: People run here and there from one church to another seeking the Word of God and not finding it for it is not there. It is running to and fro. Just exactly what God had said to me as I drove out of the yard. I know it was confirmation from God. Now Saturday night at that same church, with that same man there, and Larry was there to confirm this, all we say was a bunch of FAKE, PUT ON HONKEEYTONK MUSIC PASSED OFF AS OF GOD; PEOPLE SHAKING AND BOUNCING IN THE FLESH TRYING TO CALL THIS HOLY. IT WAS MOCKERY OF GOD AND HOLINESS AND THE TRUE MOVING OF HIS SPIRIT. the two preachers were in on it also. It is just a sham and show; for money and pretending they are of God. They themselves are all deceived and deceiving. Their private lives are lived in sin and pretending they are holy. God will hold them in contempt. This is what Larry sees. This is what I see. I see it everywhere. God is not there. God is being mocked. Holiness is being mocked. This is just as much mockery of God and his ways, as that dead, hummmmmm, hummmmmm. funeral type services are. They are BOTH mockery of the true things of God's Spirit. God is not a honkeytonk. I told a lady sitting near me, This is just the same kind of stuff, and music I heard when I went dancing. This is a vfw spirit. she agreed. I said, If I walked up out there and did not know where I was and heard this, I would think I was at the VFW. That is where I used to go to dance. I would rather go there and be what it is, than to fake this stuff as of God and still desire that VFW spirit. I told that evengelist after the service, I said, this lady and I were about to get up and do a dance and not a holy dance either; but a honkeytonk dance by this honkeytonk music they have going on in here tonight. I said it matters not what words they say, it is the 'spirit' which it is in that counts. He looked kind of mystified eyed at me and said yea it is the spirit it is in. I said who knows the Spirit; for I knew He did not know it. So see, God proved to me that what he said to me the first time I went was true, it was only running to and fro. I never found God there. I find him here at home with me. He is in my heart; not some jazzy music. May God help all who read this and go to those churches to get out and find God as He really is; God is NOT DEAD; BUT HE IS ALSO NOT HONKEYTONK. Glory be to the true God and his HOLY SPIRIT. I SAID IT IS HOLY and SWEET. Let the peace of God dwell richly in you, you are the temple of the living God; not some brick and martor building. Jo | |
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| OK Isaiah. I see what you mean, now.............thanks a whole bunch!!
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Sure lol the spirit has to have a body that he has to enter into. Just as the spirit of God has a body made up of a many member kingdom so does Satan. THE PART ABOUT RUNNING TO AND FRO IS SOMEHOW CONNECTED WITH Satan. | | |
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My that is some powerful and wonderful preaching and teaching you are doing there Joie. That is some more good and true stuff and there is more to this also lolady, maybe joie can tell you about it one of these days. May God bless you both. | |
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- 2:11
- Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.
- Psalms 91-11, For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways....12, They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thy dash thy foot against a stone.
- Matthew 4-(devil speaking) verse 6:
- And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, "He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
- The evil one knows scripture, but he does not quote it correctly. Compare the two above.
- God said in Genesis : But the tree of the knowledge of good and evil thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
- The serpent says: Ye shall not surely die:
- for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. All she had said to the serpent was: God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
- Twisted words-close-but not what was said...that is how he does it.
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| My, my, what good teaching spiritwalker. Yep that is the way of Satan to twist the word of God | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 9/4/2003 12:04 AM | | 11Cor. 10: 3. For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
4. (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
5. Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
Cast down IMAGINATIONS.. and high thing.......that EXALTETY itself against the KNOWLEDGE OF GOD,..... and....bring into captivity EVERY THOUGHT...... to obey Christ. IMAGINATIONS THOUGHTS.... THINK ON THIS. | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 9/4/2003 12:10 AM | | I thought on it...... My thoughts: Pulling down STRONG HOLDS......>>> CASTING DOWN IMAGINATIONS...........>>>>> bring every thought into captivity to Christ>>>> SURE SEEMS TO BE SAYING THAT THESE IMAGINATIONS AND THOUGHTS ARE THOSE STRONG HOLDS WE ARE TO PULL DOWN. They are exalting themselves against the true knowledge of God. That sure seems to be to be the 'seat' of Satan. |
p.s. Well this concludes our discussion. It was a long but good one. Hope someone gets some good out of this. I did, just review all of these good messages. So Now, little ole me needs to hit the sack. Niteall. |
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