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p.s. This is a great message Larry did on this subject. It is too good to be lost under a long thread, so I am setting it up as a new message:

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From: joie

Sent: 3/2/2003 1:36 AM

Isaiah preaching the word.

Jer 28:16

Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will cast thee from off the face of the earth: this year thou shalt die, because thou hast taught rebellion against the LORD.

Now to tie this with Cain and the spirit of Adam which was rebellion against God.

Gen. 4: 11

And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;

4:13

And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.

4:14

Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. ( Slay means to kill which means to die. The same thing that Jer. 28:16 is saying. That he shall die for his rebellion against God. That is exactly what is happening here on joie’s post. She is slaying Cain which is the spirit of his father Adam

Adam taught Eve rebellion against God same reason these whorish preachers can do it today, they think they are of God she thought Adam was of God same as they all do today.

That is what she was deceived about - she thought Adam was of God; she did not know he was wicked.

So she believed him just as they believe these lying churches today

The same as them thinking Jesus is God~~~~ Not going by the many scriptures that show that Jesus was the Son of God. They are in rebellion against the word of God. The same Adam spirit that was Adam.

See what happened to Eve is what is happening today. They are believing what the subtil spirit that was in Adam that same spirit in in these churches today.

Gen 3:1

Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? ( What happened here that the Serpent the man Adam had presented himself in the image of God and with this subtilty deceived Eve.)

Gen 3:6

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.?�? This clearly to me shows that the serpent was Adam because it says that her husband was with her. That is why she was deceived. She liken him unto God. Adam was not deceived because God had told him not to partake of the tree of good and evil. But it was Adam that deceived Eve. It also had not said anything about any one else being there with them.

Eve repented and she learned and from her experience. Then that is when the division set in ~~~~~~~~~ The enemity between them.

Gen 3:15

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. ( Here is where we are today. The spirit of first man Adam (Satan seed) fighting against the spirit of the last man Adam. ( Jesus seed) The first man Adam seed (OT) law against the second man Adam (NT) TRUTH. That first man Adam that was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Some very deep stuff here that I can not even put in print at this time.

1Co 15:22

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

See just any rebellion against truth IS of the FIRST MAN Adam spirit. As JOIE HAS SO WELL STATED THAT THIS IS THE SPIRIT OF THE ANTI- CHrIST

SEE SATAN ALSO ALSO HAS THE CHURCH DECEIVED THE SAME WAY THINKING THAT JESUS IS GOD. SO THEY ARE ALSO OF SATAN and they think Adam is of God. Study these things out for yourself.

From: joie (Original Message)

Sent: 3/2/2003 1:24 AM

The 'antichrist' is the spirit of Lucifer; Adam, Satan, Cain on down to today. It is in everyone who is not willing to obey the Truth of God and Love the Truth to be filled with the Holy Ghost according to the Book of Acts, according to the Apostle Peter.

Antichrist is mankind; fallen man; rebellious men; rebelling against the things of the true God; trying as Adam to set themselves up as god. Yes the god of this world (human beings) has blinded their eyes.

It is in all sinners and rebellious people

God will manifest this truth to all who want the truth. All who LOVE NOT THE TRUTH will be sent a strong delusion to be damned BECAUSE THE LOVED NOT THE TRUTH.

The truth is the written Word of God; without adding, taking away, or changing a thing.

These are some messages I did on another thread which are good to help clearify these things about Adam, Satan and the antichrist. So Since they may not be studied with this subject under that thread, I am going to move the important one from there to this new thread. I want everyone here to clearly see this subject and come to the truth. Or at least see why I believe this.

From: joie

Sent: 3/2/2003 1:26 AM

Matt. 12: 30. He that is not with me is against me, and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.

After I got off, I was thinking of the above post of mine. I wondered, How can I prove this? I know it is true from all God has already taught me; but how can I prove it. He spoke right back to me, the above Scritpure.

If you are not on His side, You are against him. This makes you ANTICHRIST.

Strongs shows it to be one who is an opponant.

Websters shows 'anti' to be this: <DIR>

1 : opposite in kind, position, or action 2 : opposing : hostile toward 3 : counteractive 4 : preventive of : curative of

From: joie

Sent: 3/2/2003 1:29 AM

I added some more to the last message on another thread; so am bringing it here too. Some people may read this thread and not that one. I want as many people as possible to see this truth. It is time for that antichirst, Adam to be exposed. Maybe God will use me to help do it. So be it. I am thy servant.

Matt. 12: 30. He that is not with me is against me, and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.

If you are not on His side, You are against him. This makes you ANTICHRIST.

Strongs shows it to be one who is an opponant.

Websters shows 'anti' to be this: <DIR>

1 : opposite in kind, position, or action 2 : opposing : hostile toward 3 : counteractive 4 : preventive of : curative of

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(c)2000 Zane Publishing, Inc. and Merriam-Webster, Incorporated. All rights reserved.

So based on this is not what Jesus said above, He that is not with me is AGAINST ME prove it? If you are not on his side, you are on the opposing side = Satan.

1. opposite in kind, position, or action.

Does not everything mankind do in his flesh be opposite from Jesus' way? Jesus said so himself. That is why we must crucify our flesh daily to be his disciple. If you go with the flesh, it is opposite of the Spirit.

The flesh lusteth against the Spirit and the Spirit against the flesh. So this makes the flesh antichrist. If you can't see this, you are blind.

Jesus told the hypocrite Pharasees they would not go in and hindered those who would - is not this preventive of Jesus' way? See the above meaning.

Are not fleshly men hostile toward Jesus and His kingdom? Of course. Jesus said so. So this positively proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that Adam = mankind, is satan; or antichrist; or the enemy of God.

Are you thinking, as so many other do that Adam was NOT in the transgression because of it saying Eve was also in it? If so read this:

Job 31: 33. If like Adam I have covered my transgressions, By hiding mine iniquity in my bosom,

this hiding means he never confessed; he blamed his sin on her; he never got forgiveness because he never repented. see the below verse; if he had received forgivness or repentance, this would not still be coming up against him. it is held forever against him. he became God's enemy. typed out in the O.T. in king David and his son Absolom. Remember, how Absolom was so beautiful? Not a blemish in him; remember how he tried to detrone Davil? How he won the hearts of Israel away from David?

this is the perfect type of what went on between God and his beautiful, anointed son, Adam. Everything has a perfect type in the O.t. This is it.

Rom. 5: 14. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the likeness of Adam's transgression, who is a figure of him that was to come.

Eze. 28: 13. Thou wast in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, the topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was in thee; in the day that thou wast created they were prepared.
14. Thou wast the anointed cherub that covereth: and I set thee, so that thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16. By the abundance of thy traffic they filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore have I cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God; and I have destroyed thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17. Thy heart was lifted up because of thy beauty; thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I have cast thee to the ground; I have laid thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

Now, see how Adam sinned above all others. See that this one called Lucifer in Eze. 28, also called Satan is or was perfect in his beginning? See that he was the most beautiful; the anointed of God. This is none other than God's Son, Adam --who was set up to rule over this earth.

Does not Satan claim to be the ruler of this earth? Did Jesus rebuke him for this statement. Of course not.

Eve repented and was forgiven. She, Eve is said to be the Mother of all living; Adam is not said to be the father of the righteous, Abraham is.

New Jerusalem is said to be the mother of us all. Put this together.

Eve was the one looking for that righteous seed to come and deliver her. She said when she had Seth, now God has given ME ANOTHER SEED IN PLACE OF ABEL WHOM CAIN SLEW.

CAIN AND ADAM HAD THIS REBELIOUS SPIRIT, THE CARNAL MIND WHICH IS ENEMITY AGAINST GOD.

HE THAT IS NOT WITH ME IS AGAINST ME.

And there is much more proof. But I can only give some at at time. Let this soak in first. Study it. Pray for understanding. No man when he first drinks NEW WINE, LIKES IT BETTER THAN THE OLD

New revelation takes time to take hold. But them you would not ever desire the Old again.

From: joie

Sent: 3/2/2003 1:33 AM

Go to the Word of God. Jesus said those pharisees were serpents. He said they were of their father the devil. Their father was Adam.

He said Satan was that old serpent. That old serpent has to be Adam.

Satan decieved the whole world even to today and that is why you are thinking he could not be Satan. But Jesus clearly identified him as Satan. He told those serpents of his day that they were guilty of killing Abel. That has to be Cain.

Cain and Adam are that serpent of old. It is in all flesh today. Everyone sets themselves up as god. That is how he is in the seat of God or temple of God. Our bodies are the temple of God. So everyone who lives to please himself sets himself up as god.

My, my. How can you miss this?

From: joie

Sent: 3/2/2003 1:39 AM

Jesus is that tree of life -- only in him is there any life for us -- for - there is no other name under Heaven given whereby we must be saved. This means being baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of our sins. No other way.

Isaiah, that is a very good and clear message. Very eye-opening.

Jesus, the tree of life, also means Grace is the tree of Live - the N.T.

Then it is simple to see that the O.T. of Law has to be that other tree - the knowledge of good and evil; (by the law is the knowledge of sin) --of which they were told not to partake of - for it would put them into death.

See by Law, People rule over others. This is what most people want- especially preachers and priests, they desire to RULE OVER OTHERS. Jesus said with you it shall NOT BE SO.

You are ALL ONE. No ruling over each other. No one lifted up above any one else. This is perfect LOVE.

Love is the tree of life. A wholesome tongue is a tree of life. All this means one speaking the truth of the N.T.

Adam, first Adam would be same as that death tree; for in Adam all die. Eat of that tree and you die. See it was his carnal mind - that rebellious mind or spirit. See the carnal mind brings death.

See how it all ties together?

Only a blind person could miss all of this. Lord, open their eyes!

This is a good message Isaiah did under the Help Meet. I think it should be studied along with what we were discussing a while back about Adam being Satan. This is a good understanding on that subject:

From: Isaiah

Sent: 4/10/2002 6:15 PM

GREETING IN JESUS NAME

FIRST OF ALL WHAT WENT ON IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN DID NOT HAVE TO DO WITH EATING AN APPLE. I DO NOT KNOW WHERE THIS CARNAL DECEPTION ORIGINNATED FROM.JUST ANOTHER TRICK OF SATAN AND HIS MANY LIES.BECAUSE HE WAS A LIE FROM THE BEGINNING WHEN HE TOLD THE LORD THAT THE WOMAN MADE ME DO IT WHEN IT WAS HIS DECEPTTION TO BEGIN WITH.

THE EATING OR THE FRUIT HAD TO DO WITH THEIR EYES BEING OPEN WHICH WAS THEIR UNDERSTANDING.

THERE WAS ONLY TWO IN THAT GARDEN OTHER THAN THE LORD GOD.THERE WAS ADAM AND EVE.THE SERPENT WHICH WAS THE CARNAL MIND IN ADAM WAS WHAT DECEIVED HIMSELF AND ALSO EVE.

THE BIBLE SAID AND I ALSO SAID ABOVE THAT SATAN WAS A LIE FROM THE BEGINNING.I HOPE YOU SEE THIS.WHAT HE WAS DOING IS THE SAME AS TODAY PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO BECOME AS GOD.

HE WAS SAYING BELIEVE ME INSTEAD OF GOD. LET ME GIVE YOU THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL GOD DOES NOT KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING LET ME SHOW YOU WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS WRONG. HE SAID THAT I WAS MADE PERFECT. ACTUALLY WHAT HE WAS SAYING I WAS PERFECT TILL YOU CAME ALONG AND I HAD TO SHARE PART OF ME WITH YOU.THAT’S WHERE JEALOUSLEY ENTERED. YOU SEE THAT HE HAD LOST PART OF HIS BEAUTY

TO PROVE THIS JUST LOOK AT NATURE AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT I AM SAYING.LOOK AT NATURE ALL THINGS THAT ARE MALE ARE THE PRETTIEST. OK LOOK AT MAN AND THE WOMAN WHO IS THE PRETTIEST. THE WOMAN. OK THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTONS.

NOW BACK TO THE SUBJECT-

NOW NOT TO GET SO CONFUSING TO ANYONE LET ME TRY TO SHOW YOU ABOUT THE FIRST MAN ADAM AND THE SECOND MAN ADAM.

1- COR.-15:22- For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. [ this is referring to the earthly man Adam in 15:45 not the first man Adam that was in Gen. Let me prove this to you.

1- Cor.-15:47- The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven. [ hang in here with me]

Isaiah-46:10- Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: [ to see what I am trying to show you must understand this scripture he said declaring the end from the beginning. So now knowing this we see the second Adam in vs.45 and 47 as being the first in Gen. And the first man Adam as being the second man in Gen. Which is the carnal mind which was in Adam the serpent . I know this may sound confusing and it will be till you see that he has declared the end from the beginning you also will never see that the serpent that was in the garden was Adam the devil himself.

Rev.- 1:8- I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

[he said he was the first [Gen] and the last[ Rev.] It began with Jesus and it going to end with Jesus [ declaring the end from the beginning]

Rev. 22:17- And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Ok see the last thing he is referring in Rev. is the Spirit and the bride let me show you in Gen. The Spirit and the Bride.

Gen.-1:27- So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.[ once again declaring the end from the beginning It also shows this to be the Bride male and female.

I know this is going to be hard to see but don’t disregard this take it and print it out so you can study it. May the Lord Bless each of you. AMEN

This is a marvelous thread to study. I have read it all again, just now. It is wonderful truth.

Those who still try to claim that human beings are gods, prove that they are of this evil spirit of the SERPENT.

Adam's first sin is recorded in Eze. 28, not in Genesis three.

He said, I AM GOD, I sit in the seat, (ruling place) of God.

But God said to him, You are a man and not god. (this proves that God says that man is not god. flee all who claim that men are gods. they are of that evil spirit of satan.)

If men are gods, please, someone, tell me why both the great Apostles, Peter and Paul, denied this and refused to let others say or think that they were gods,. They both refused to let others worship them.

They both knew it is the spirit of Satan, or Lucifer, or serpent, dragon, or ADAM, to allow others to say we are gods.

When you declare we are gods, you prove right there, that you have that evil spirit of old serpent.

<NOBR>Re 12:15</NOBR>	And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
<NOBR>Re 12:16</NOBR>	And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

That is the way it is, Larry. bet we both have many, many wonderful messages way back, which we do not remember writing. When I go back and read some of my older messages, it feeds me afresh and anew, and it is as if I never heard it before.

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