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I am not going to do much here tonight. Will add to this later. But for now I have this on my heart and need to say a little something to you all. If you are true children of God, you need to be very careful of what you listen to and take warning. There are many out in this world, on internet, and other places, who actually HATE the great Apostle Paul. I mean this man gave his life to get the wonderful message of Salvation to the world. He was beaten more, imprisoned more, traveled more and preached more than anyone else ever has, all to get the message of salvation to the world. Jesus Christ 'hand-picked' Paul to be the Apostle to the Gentiles and to teach the Jews the truth. Jesus Christ appeared to Paul in a blinding LIGHT and told him what he must suffer for the sake of the gospel. Paul willingly took this responsibility upon his own shoulders. When Paul was in places, he worked with his own hands, to provide for others as well as himself. He never took pay for this work he laboured so hard in. He freely preached to the world. God chose Paul to write most of the New Testament. Now I am telling you, to call Paul ugly names, accuse him and his writtings of evil is to speak evil of Jesus and God. it is in escense saying that Jesus and God did not know what they were doing to choose Paul. If we cannot believe the writtings of Paul, then you may as well burn all your Bibles, because Paul wrote more in it than any other person. So I warn you. saints of God, put these evil workers out of your midst. Do not allow these evil workers of Satan to stay in your midst and poison the minds of innocent souls, who may be influenced by their evil tongues. Why do they hate Paul? Because he preached the TRUTH. They hate truth. If you cannot believe what Paul wrote, you have no New Testament. If you do not believe the KJV, of which Paul wrote so much, then you have no Word of God and no faith, nothing to stand on. You have no hope.. You are lost. It is a sickening, disgusting thing, to hear these modern soft-talkers, slamming, insulting, defaming, slandering and mocking the great Apostle Paul. These ugly mouthed individuals would not go through one tiny bit of persecution and suffering Paul took to serve God and Jesus. yet they are evil enough to go around ridiculing and blacking Paul over things they have no understanding about. I warn you, for your own souls sake, get rid of these evil workers of Satan before they cause many to loose faith and be lost. This evil leven will pollute everything they touch. They are spiritual POISON. They are talking DEATH. Their mouths are an open grave...the dead are inside. yet they speak evil of all of us who love and respect Paul and the work he did to give this world the gospel of GRACE. How I do thank my God for Paul and allowing me to read the precious words this man wrote. We have a member here now who is carrying this evil from group to group. He is death to all who listen to him, or her, which ever it may be. We must warn others against these kinds of Satan-inspired God hating filthy mouths. Yes, I am at war with these evil workers of satan. No child of God could say these rotten, evil things against so great a soldier of the Cross of Jesus. Even Peter said our precious brother Paul, after Paul openingly rebuked Peter. Peter appreciated this, for Paul helped Peter come into the real truth. Peter said Paul wrote things hard to be understood. People are into the darkness, since they cannot understand, they then attack it and seek to destroy it. Evil folks, you are fighting against God. Paul was a chosen vessel of GOD. Jo Smith | |
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| Paul was a chosen vessel of GOD. That is so true. Paul suffered more than any of the apostles. He was a man of God like no one has ever been but he said he was the least of the apostles. 1Co 15:9 - For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. ( Paul said that he should not be even called a apostle because he persecuted the church of God.) Paul indured more for the gospel of Christ than any one has ever done. He suffered so much. I would like to see some of these Paul haters try and go through what this great man of God went through. They would appreciate what he has done for us all. Paul said and the word said: 2 Cor- 11:24 Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one. 25Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep; 26In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren; 27In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness. 28Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches. Let's see some of the Paul haters go through what Paul did in the above verses. Besides all of this Paul had a thorn in the flesh that he had to overcome. ( the law) Paul was also the apostle to the Gentiles, if it was not for this great man of God, the gentiles would not have had the gospel of Jesus Christ taught to them. I thank my God that this man did what he did and also to have suffered what he had to go through. You also better thank the good Lord for this great man of God. | |
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Thank you Axs, for this powerful message on the greatness of Paul. I would like to add that I think the real reason for all this hatred of Paul is the fact that Paul also had no trouble going to war against Satan's army of attackers. He could discern the wicked spirits in people who 'seemingly' were praising them. He saw through the fakery. He had no trouble casting those wicked spirits out of the folks. He had the power, from God, to even blind some of them for a season. He proved God, the great and almighty God, was with him and empowering him. He raised the dead, just as Christ had done. Let some of these Paul haters do that! They think Paul was so bad, let them bring forth these kinds of fruit to prove God is with them. Let them heal the sick with only handkerchiefs taken from his body. No wonder they hate Him. They are of Satan. Yet these little punks today have no trouble black-mouthing Paul and trying to tear down his work. It shows me which side they are on = Satan's side. No true child of God could take this kind of stand against Paul or any other writter of scripture. We know that God would not have given His Word to a wicked man to write and bring down to us today. We understand why and how Paul did the things he did. I was shocked when I first began to computer, at how many I ran into who hated and spoke against Paul. why Paul? Because he was the special vessel of the Lord, which gave the world the message of Grace. Most of these Paul haters are also in the bondage of law. See those who clung to law, in Paul's day, were the very ones seeking to kill Paul. It is no different today. These ungodly folks are trying to kill his influence with their ungodly tongue. Well I am telling everyone who reads this, I will NOT TOLERATE this Paul bashing in this group.! I saw a group where one of these Paul haters, (is a member here) had posted some of his hate stuff. The manager of that group does not care who writes stuff there, so long as it is not the truth. He has welcomed atheists, moslims, homosexuals, and all false religions. He even sets up special boards for each of them. yet this same manager calls me demon possessed and has banned me because of the truth I teach. So it shows they are all into this 'truth hating' together. So naturally this manager does not care that this man or woman, seeks to tear down the great Paul to the minds of people. But I notify you right now, I DO CARE. And I will not allow it. So If you wish to stay here, keep your Paulian hatred to your own deluded mind. If you post your Paul -hatred here, out you go and your trash with you. Jo , Manager | |
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Mt 11:7 And as they departed, Jesus began to say unto the multitudes concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken with the wind? Mt 11:8 But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings' houses. Mt 11:9 But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet. Mt 11:10 For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. There we see that Jesus said, the Word was already written of John, what he was to do. It was written before hand, and Jesus quoted this scripture from Isaiah. He had read this, and knew what it meant. He knew they fulfilled this. So they went back to something written before their time. Scripture evidence! You say you find no bible evidence of this. There it is, out of the mouth of Jesus, whom you claim to HEAR. Here is more: Mt 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Mt 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: Mt 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Mt 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. Here Jesus said I send unto you prophets, wise men, and scribes. Those who reject these men whom Jesus sent are the ones he said all the blood of the righteous will come upon. God sent the OT prophets and writers. But here, God has given the kingdom to Jesus to run. So Jesus now sends out HIS wise men, prophets, and SCRIBES. There Scribes were the one to interpret the Word and teach its depth to others. They also recorded the Word. Jesus sent these scribes to the world. Paul was a might Scribe of Jesus. If you do not hear him, you do not hear Jesus. Jesus spoke this, not me. Here is John the Baptist, going back to Scripture written before his time, yet about him. He went back into Written Scripture HE HAD READ, and knew it was of him. Yet Denise can find no bible evidence of this. Here it is. Mark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; Mr 1:2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. Mr 1:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. And here is the third witness of this, spoken again by Jesus himself. Both Jesus and John quoted this Scripture from Isaiah, referring to JOHN. Yet you find no bible evidence of this? Wonder why? Perhaps it is because you feel no need to read it? Lu 7:24 And when the messengers of John were departed, he began to speak unto the people concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness for to see? A reed shaken with the wind? Lu 7:25 But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? Behold, they which are gorgeously apparelled, and live delicately, are in kings' courts. Lu 7:26 But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? Yea, I say unto you, and much more than a prophet. Lu 7:27 This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. Here is a second witness where Jesus himself verified that HE, Jesus, sent the disciples out and woe to those who do not HEAR THEM: Lu 10:3 Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves. Lu 10:10 But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say, Lu 10:11 Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you. Lu 10:12 But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city. Jesus said it would be more tolerable for Sodom than for those who refuse to HEAR THESE MEN, WHOM JESUS SENT OUT WITH THE WORD. John 13:18 I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me. John 13:19 Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he. John 13:20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me. Notice in the above verses, JESUS again referred to Scripture written long before his time. He said this was done so the Scripture may be fulfilled. Where did he get that? From the Book of Psalms. So he had studied the Written Scriptures which were written by other men, long before his time. This is the JESUS you claim to hear and believe. Why then are you differing with him in this matter? He certainly did read what was written before his time, and went right by it. It is no different today. We are to do as he did. Denise, I hope you take the time to read all of this post. It is so important and true. Read this. Paul is giving his own testimony here to the king: Acts 26:13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me. Ac 26:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. Ac 26:15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest. Ac 26:16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee; Ac 26:17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee, 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me. Ac 26:19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: Ac 26:20 But showed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance. Ac 26:21 For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me. Ac 26:22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come: Ac 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should show light unto the people, and to the Gentiles. Now this proves that Jesus is the one who appeared to Paul and chose him and sent him to the world TO OPEN THEIR EYES, TO TURN THEM FROM DARKNESS TO LIGHT, AND FROM THE POWER OF SATAN UNTO GOD. Paul said this was a HEAVENLY VISION. He obeyed it, even to his death. Jesus sent Paul. Jesus is the one who said PAUL would open their eyes, and lead them from Satan to God. Jesus gave this power to PAUL. So to reject this is to reject the work and words of JESUS. Now if this is not enough to convince you that Jesus sent Paul to the world, and he sent the other disciples and condemned all who do not hear THEM, You are just a total rebel against truth. | |
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| I think most people are missing something very big and very important. The written words in Scripture are NOT the words of Paul, Jesus, Peter, John, or any other MAN. They all, INCLUDING JESUS, were speaking the words of GOD, not their own words. Jesus said the words I speak are NOT MINE, BUT THE FATHER'S WHO SENT ME. ( do you call that a lie also?) So to say some of it is wrong, is calling God himself a lie. and just who thinks they are SMART enough to decide what part of God's words is wrong? I pity all who have fallen into the TRAP OF SATAN. And yes, it is SATANIC to think of calling the eternal God a lie. If you disbelieve part of the Word, because of what some man has said, then you may as well burn it and forget it. To call any part of God's words a lie, is to miss God. it is a dangerous thing to become so lifted up in your own mind as to think that you are qualified to sift through God's Word and decide what part is right and what part is wrong. How would you know that Paul did not mean what he said about being willing to be accused from Christ to save his kinsmen? How do you know he did not have this kind of love in him? and you dare to mock that? You know it is time people begin to realize that if something looks wrong to you, (I mean written Scripture) .. it is time you realize that perhaps it just might be a LACK OF UNDERSTANDING ON YOUR OWN PART, RATHER THAN THAT GOD HAD MEN WRITE LIES TO US, CALLING IT HIS WORD. Now you all play around with God's word all you wish. But as for me, I BELIEVE IT ALL AND ACCEPT IT ALL. It is not Paul's word. Paul's words are not scripture. We do no have them recorded anywhere. This is what I am speaking of when I say there is no difference. I am saying there is no difference in what Paul wrote and what Matthew wrote. it is all God's word. I am not saying there is no difference in Paul and Jesus. I know miss smarty will like to make evil of that, also. So now I have explained it to the simple. We do not have Peter's own words recorded. He wrote what God told him to write, as did all the prophets. To doubt this is to call God a lie. It is certainly not something to mock at. So you had best be very careful who you are listening to and allowing to lead you into such brazon mockery of God. | |
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Galatians 1:6-9 6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Paul said if they received a gospel other than that which he preached it was a perverted gospel. He said let them be accursed who preach any gospel other than that which Paul preached. He was that sure he had the truth according to the revelation of God. Hebrews 1 1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Romans 1 1Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, 2(Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) 3Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: 5By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: Jesus lived under the law. That time had not been fulfilled nor finished until His resurrection. He was made under the law. /so Everything He and the apostles did in His lifetime were still under the law; therefore, they did accordingly. Now, Paul was expressly chosen and taught by Jesus. That is all Paul is meaning; he knew that since He had not followed Jesus personally, others would doubt him. So he confirmed that His teachings had come directly from Jesus, just exactly as theirs had. But, the big difference is this: Paul brought in the new dispensation of Grace. He was the apostle to the Gentiles; to bring them into the family of God. Even Peter finally acknowledged Paul's teachings. He finally said they (Jews) wanted to be saved as the Gentiles were: by Grace; not law. Paul was the one chosen to bring the new teachings of Grace. The law period ended on the day of Pentecost. But those Jews did not get the revelation of the change to Grace: Paul did. There is no contradiction in the Word. We are no longer under the law; we are under grace. But if one puts themselves back under law, there is no salvation. All the Jewish converts had to change and come out from the law and come in by Grace; or still be lost. Paul was the one who taught this. If you do away with Paul, then you will be back under the law; which was done away with by God. You will be lost. | |
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| Wonderful message, Axs. Thank you. Satan is certainly fighting this great man of God. Wonder why? Paul took many stripes on his body for Christ. Now he is still bearing the beatings of man's tongues. But Great is his reward in Heaven. How pityful that people are so shallow that they think this is in any way putting Jesus down! Jesus loved Paul. Paul loved Jesus. They are ONE. We are all ONE. what a great day it will be when God's people finally learn what this means. | |
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| denise, you may think you are smart and you are obeying God and Jesus and listening to them only. but you are only deceiving your own prideful heart. No one who listens to Jesus is going to NOT listen to the ones Jesus sent to teach the world his message. I have never one time said I worship Paul, or set Paul above Jesus. You are adding words here which have no truth or bearing on this matter. You do as most others, never read what is really there, but just add your OWN thoughts . Now as I have stated many times, yes. God does speak to people today.....BUT he is not going to give you DOCTRINE apart from the Written Word of God. God has certainly spoken to me and told me many of the mysteries of the Word of God. But God himself said to prove all things. It is not against God to prove what he tells us. He SAID to do that, so to refuse to do that, is disobeying God. The only proof is that it is written in the Scriptures of God. I see you know nothing about this kind of receiving truth. God will tell you things conserning your own life or prophecy for someone around you......BUT God is not going to cross the Word he has ALREADY given the world, as far as doctrine or teaching is concerned. You are not doing a thing but lifting your own self up and showing loud and clear your rebellious, self-glorying spirit. No person following God in truth says they will never listen to another saint or teacher of God. God said for us to submit to each other in the fear of the Lord. Now you are just too proud in your own conceit to submit to another person. God gives us revelation to teach to others. but this revelation MUST be proven with Written Scripture, for Scripture is the WORD OF GOD. You are NOT listening to Jesus when you deny his word, when you say there is no evidence he told us to listen to the Apostles. Sure he did. He SENT THEM TO TEACH THE WORLD. He has not changed that one bit. I have never set Paul above Jesus. Do not have to. God set them in a complete unity. Certainly Jesus is the only one who died for our sins. No one has said different. You jump off on things which have never been said, trying to prove your self-centered "myself" only doctrine. Your rebellion against God's Word, written by the Apostles, is proof that you are not in touch or in tune with either Jesus or His Father. Denise: Nope... not at all. There is no where that anyone is to be above God and His words are not to take second position to anyone's not matter what they say of themselves. It's that simple for me.. and I trust God totally and without waver on such matters and recommend that all others do as well. You will never be destroyed or meet with destruction or lead anyone into destruction telling them to follow Jesus Christ's words above all else and trust no one other than God in much matters. Jesus's words told us he sent to us wise men, prophets, and SCRIBES. We are to harken to these wise men and study their teachings and teach them ourselves, else we are not ministers of Jesus Christ. So it proves you are not a minister of Jesus Christ, for you resent and speak against the ministers Jesus sent to teach the world, by the written Word of God. I see you are not even one bit open for any teaching as you think you are above hearing anyone else. So you have closed your own eyes and shut your own ears. So no need to try to help you one bit, as you see yourself above that and above the Word of God. and the Apostles of God. Trying to say this is listening to Jesus and God is the height of foolishness and lies, and self-deception. So now, prove you can get doctrine from God's mouth, apart from Scripture: tell me what the abomination of desolations from the Book of Daniel is. I mean after all, Jesus himself said , when you see this you will know something. So tell me what that is. Tell me what God tells you that is. prove some of your mouth. Your own words mean nothing to anyone. Teach us the mysteries of the Word of God. But then, with your attitude I suppose you do not think any of this is important. Maybe it is not to someone as self-glorying as you, but it most certainly is to me. But prove to us that you can 'hear' such things from the mouth of God. Prove to me that you can or have the true understanding of that Abomination. | |
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