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Adam; Satan : The Two Trees
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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 6/14/2007 6:18 PM

The Two Trees

The Tree of Death:

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die

1Cor 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 1Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

1Cor 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

The first or outer man, is the earthly, or Adam. The heavenly is the second man, or the resurrected into the image of Christ, the image of God. This is Jesus Christ.

Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Ro 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Now see clearly that by this one man, Adam, sin and death entered this world. So Adam is the one responsible for sin and death, no one else. This ‘death�?tree is ruling this world today. In Adam all die. Are you in Adam or in Christ? In Christ all shall be made alive. This tree of life is the kingdom of Christ, Jesus being the root, or chief cornerstone.

Ro 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

Ro 5:16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

Ro 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

Ro 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Ro 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

All of the above verses prove beyond a shadow of a doubt, solidly, that Adam is the one and only one who sinned and brought DEATH and condemnation upon ALL MEN. By this one man, all are made sinners and are dead. God never at any time blamed an angel, and certainly He did not blame Eve. It never once says that by this one woman sin and death entered this world. Yet this is the message almost everyone proclaims today. Paul fully explained the difference in the result of Adam and the result of Jesus Christ here. (Paul, no wonder you are still so hated and slandered today!)

Rom 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: (See here, that because of this one man’s sin, the law, the tree of death, was placed upon man. So this places Adam and the Law as one and the same, Spiritually, Just as Moses is also held as one with the law. So Jesus is held as one and the same as the tree of Life, because through and by Jesus, we are made ALIVE.)

Rom 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

There were Two Sons of God, Adam and Jesus. There were two trees or two kingdoms in the Garden, The tree of death, and the Tree of Life. Notice that Adam is always called a ‘man�?in these Scriptures. He is not called an angel. He is the one who sinned and brought death upon all men. Notice that Jesus is always called a ‘man�?in these Scriptures. He is never called God. By this one man, LIFE was imparted to mankind.

This truth is so clearly laid out and explained here that there is absolutely no excuse for all the ignorance and lies being taught about this matter. It is crystal clear that the two sons of God are these two trees or kingdoms. Both these kingdoms are fully made up of human beings. It is not a ‘god�?kingdom. It is a human kingdom. This human kingdom is the Son kingdom. The second ‘Adam�? or the resurrected Christ, was made a quickening Spirit. He was made to be our God. He was lifted up to sit with God upon the throne of God in power and equality. So this Spirit kingdom is the Father kingdom, of which Jesus was made a member.

This truth is so simple to understand and so very clearly taught in Scripture, that there is no excuse to remain in darkness and ignorance. Come into the LIGHT and LIVE. Eat, or partake of the tree of life and live. Why will you die? Is first man, Adam, worth it to you?

The Tree of Life:

John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

John 6:48 I am that bread of life. 6:50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

John 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

Now, Jesus has told us here, very plainly that his flesh and blood is our life. We must eat this flesh and drink this blood. How many of you just read these words, and splash them away, as nothing more than mere words? I say all of you. Else why do you never come to examine what is meant and hold to the truth? How can you EAT his flesh? Is it the flesh the word was made into? It is the very same flesh Jesus himself ate, in order to have eternal life. It is the spiritual message which God fed Jesus or put into his mouth. It did not come from the womb of Mary. Mary did not birth the tree of life. How foolish the doctrines of men are.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

There is the truth. There is the right answer. The WORDS that I speak are the LIFE.

Watch Peter again: 6:68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. See, He had the right revelation. He did not say, Jesus you are the flesh or eternal life. He said you have the words of eternal life. So, it is WORDS. The words of Adam are death. The words of Jesus, which is the words of God, is eternal life. Tree of life; tree of death. Which do you eat?

1John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1jo 5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

Jude 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

The above shows us clearly that eternal life is given to us by the Son of God, Jesus Christ.

The following shows us clearly that death is by the other Son of God, Adam.

Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

See that, Before of OLD? This refers back to the Race of Adam, on the other side of the flood. It is proven in Romans where we were told that the sin of Adam brought condemnation upon all men. So it was ordained before the flood.

Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. Jude 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

See how this takes you back to Cain as the way of greediness and error of seeking a reward, or money. It is that kingdom of Adam. Adam and Cain ran that kingdom together. All the paid preachers and singers are in this class. They run greedily in the way of Cain and Core. They are the beast who lead the world in lies and error. They do it for a reward, or money. Love of money is the root of all evil. These are twice dead. Their root was left in the earth at the flood, but it will be totally destroyed in the end.

Jude 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. Jude 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; Jude 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

These filthy men even teach doctrine to feed their ungodly lusts. They turn the Word of God into filth with their own evil minds. Woe unto them! Flee them or perish with them on this tree of death!

By: Jo Smith *** June 14, 2007

 



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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/11/2007 12:00 AM
( I am moving this from another thread where I was talking with Tweety about some things from her group.  Some of this is about the church, some about Adam.  So I am placing it here on the adam board.)

From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR>  (Original Message) Sent: 1/6/2007 10:54 PM
Hi, Tweety,
 
I am going to deal with some of what is being said on your group, IF YOU DO NOT MIND.
 
If you do not want me to do this,  just tell me and I will let it alone.  But for now, I am going to show you something:  (also tell Roy if he wants to read the TRUTH about this matter, to come here.)
 
Now, Coffee, said this:
 
From: <NOBR>MSN Nicknamecoffeman45</NOBR> Sent: 1/6/2007 3:03 PM
Tweety me is sorry to see this post of yours. Ponder me might be a little to late.
Enoch does have a meaning. He was the 7th from Adam. He was translated. There is 7 churches from Jesus Christ. The 7th Church age will also be translated.
Elijah was translated also. Two in the field. One taken the other left. Elijah taken and Elisha left. Noah typed out the 144,000 being seal in Revelation. Lot typed out the Restrainer in 2nd Thess.
 
Tweety, the reason many attacks her view is becasue she is wrong. Like your theory of Adam didn't become flesh until he sinned. God told Adam not to eat of the tree. If he did he will die. At the time he was flesh because a spirit doesn't die. At the time he was flesh because God told them to be fruitful and mulitiply. Only flesh can have offspring. Adam was created out of the dust of the ground. Angels ain't. Gotta get and will catch yuns later.

First, I want to tell you that you are a very wise woman.  When You  said that the reason you disagree with someone at the time,  is because you do not understand,  that is such a great attitude.  If everyone had that attitude and spirit, there would not be all this bickering and fighting.  There would be LEARNING the Truth, to bring us to eternal life.

Now:

Coffee said that the seventh church will be translated.  No Scripture teaches this.  Here is what the Scripture DOES say about the seventh church:  (see if you think this is translation.)

<NOBR>Re 3:14</NOBR> And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
<NOBR>Re 3:15</NOBR> I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
<NOBR>Re 3:16</NOBR> So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
<NOBR>Re 3:17</NOBR> Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
<NOBR>Re 3:18</NOBR> I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
<NOBR>Re 3:19</NOBR> As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
<NOBR>Re 3:20</NOBR> Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
<NOBR>Re 3:21</NOBR> To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
<NOBR>Re 3:22</NOBR> He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.


Now, Does the above Scripture mention anything about this seventh church being translated?  No.  What did it say happens to them?  God said I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Now that is what God said is going to happen to the seventh church.  Do you believe God or Coffee?  (I know which one you believe,  just making a point.)  btw,  hope you take this to your group, in your own words.

What was this church's condition?  Lukewarm,  (which God hates),  naked, (which God hates),  wretched, miserableblind,(here is why they cannot see any truth) poor and naked.

Now is that kind of 'church' going to be taken alive to heaven, to avoid any persecution or tribulation?  where do they get such foolish junk?    God said I will spew them out of my mouth.  That means they are destroyed and lost.

Not one single word is spoken here of any translation.  So who is wrong,  Coffee, or me?  I am saying what the Word of God says.

Now about Adam:

The man formed out of the dust of the ground in Genesis TWO  is not speaking of the Adam who was created in the image of God, in Chapter one.

He does not understand a thing about this.

See he said that Adam had to be flesh for at the time a spirit does not die.  But see that Adam was not in death to start with.  He was placed into a body of death AFTER he sinned.  He would not have died, if he had not sinned.  God said IF  YOU EAT OF THAT TREE, THEN YOU WILL DIE.

He was not set to die to start with.  He would have lived eternally.  This alone proves he was not of the dust of the ground at that time.

Why would any sensible person think that only flesh can be fruitful and multiply?  Surely they must know that God and the angels have more powers that flesh people?  what kind of reasoning is that?

And I am telling you all,  ANGELS DID NOT MATE WITH WOMEN.  YOU ALL NEED TO STOP REPEATING LIES OF MAN.

NO SCRIPTURE SAYS THIS OR SHOWS THAT IT IS POSSIBLE.

You all need to stop thinking that just because some man taught you all this stuff, that you have truth.  Pray.  study.  Seek truth.  (some say they are seeking truth, but when truth is presented to them, they mock it, spit on it, and reject it.)

They do not want truth.  They hate truth.  They cannot discern truth, for they are in lies and deception of Satan.

Jo


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/11/2007 12:01 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 1/6/2007 11:32 PM
 
From: <NOBR>MSN Nicknamecoffeman45</NOBR> Sent: 1/6/2007 5:45 PM
God is a spirit and when Adam was created from the dust of the ground, he was created with a spirit in a fleshly body. Adam's body wouldn't of died if they left the tree alone.Tell us in here how a spirit can die?
 Remember when Moses wanted to see God. God tuck him between two rocks and walk so he could see what? The hind parts of a man. Moses couldn't look upon the face of God. The scriptures tell you that Adam was created from the dust of the earth in God's image. A spirit is never created from the dust of the earth. That is why it said the first adam is of the earth earthly and the second adam is the Lord from Heaven. Jesus's body wasn't created from dust. it was created by God from nothing in Mary.
 
We read in the bible of angels looking like humans. So much they don't realize it is a angel at first. Many said the angels took on the form of humans. But did they??? How about all they did is make themselves visble in the form they are in???
 
Have you saw a demon? I have. Have you saw satan? I have. They don't have horns or pitch forks. They look human.

See, again Coffe is thinking that  the man formed of the dust, in Chapter two, is the one in the image of God.  it is just not true.

He has no knowledge of the truth of any of this, and is too proud and lifted up in ignorance to even see how wrong he is or to want to learn any truth.

The Word does NOT say that the Adam in chapter one, in the image of God, was of the dust.

This man would have lived eternally if he had not sinned.  After he sinned, the Word of God was fullfilled that he would die that day.  Then God placed Adam into a body of the dust of the ground.  Now he was in DEATH.  He was DEAD in trespasses and sins.

He had fallen FROM GRACE TO LAW,  from LIFE TO DEATH.  Yet he was still alive in a body of death.

This is taught all through the word.  We are dead in sins before Christ gives us the Spirit.  Then we pass from that death to life in Christ Jesus.

Adam went the reverse of this.  We are not saying that the spirit would have died.  He was placed into this death after he sinned, just As God had told him.

Now Coffee lies again, out of his ignorance, when he said that Moses was shown the hind parts of a MAN.  Where does he get such lies?  Has to be his own carnal mind.

No Scripture teaches this lie.  Moses was not shown the hind parts of any MAN.  God is not a man.  God showed Moses the NT Covenant, Grace.  That is the back part.  He claims to study the original language so much,  why has he failed to study this out before he teaches such lies?

And now he has made a horrible error next!

He is quoting William Branham's LIES.  He says that God created Jesus in Mary with nothing from Mary.

That is hideous lies of the devil.  Challenge him to prove this lie with at least one statement from Scripture.  Back this evil man down with truth.

Mary was the MOTHER of Jesus.  The Words says so in many places.  Not only that, but:

<NOBR>Joh 7:42</NOBR> Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?


<NOBR>Ro 1:3</NOBR> Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;


<NOBR>2ti 2:8</NOBR> Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

<NOBR>Lu 1:32</NOBR> He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of HIS FATHER DAVID:

<NOBR>Heb 2:14</NOBR> Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
<NOBR>Heb 2:15</NOBR> And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
<NOBR>Heb 2:16</NOBR> For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
<NOBR>Heb 2:17</NOBR> Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.


Now for solid proof that Mary was the Mother of Jesus,  not some incubator, as the liar, Branham said.

<NOBR>Mt 1:18</NOBR> Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on tHIS wise: When as HIS MOTHER MARY was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
<NOBR>Mt 2:11</NOBR> And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with MARY HIS MOTHER, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.
<NOBR>Mt 13:55</NOBR> Is not tHIS the carpenter's son? is not HIS MOTHER called MARY? and HIS brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
<NOBR>Lu 2:34</NOBR> And Simeon blessed them, and said unto MARY HIS MOTHER, Behold, tHIS child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;
<NOBR>Joh 19:25</NOBR> Now there stood by the cross of Jesus HIS MOTHER, and HIS MOTHER's sister, MARY the wife of Cleophas, and MARY Magdalene.
<NOBR>Ac 1:14</NOBR> These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and MARY the MOTHER of Jesus, and with HIS brethren.


Now in face of all this much Scripture PROOF that Jesus was born of the seed of David and Abraham according to the flesh,  where does this lie come from, that God made the body of Jesus from NOTHING in Mary?

If he used nothing in Mary, how then did Jesus come from the seed of David?  How is David called his father?  Why is Mary called his Mother?

How and why did Hebrews declare that he was made like unto us in all things?  He had to be of the dust just as we are, if not he could not have died.

Heb. 2:14 said that as we partook of FLESH AND BLOOD Jesus did the same. He was of the very same substance we humans are.  He was fully human. 

It is calling this Word of God a LIE, to say that Jesus was not of the actual seed of David, flesh.  To say he had nothing from Mary.  such lies.  such ignorance!

In ALL THINGS he was made like unto his brethren.  Us.  How was this accomplished if God used NOTHING OF MARY?  Where is even one verse saying this evil lie?  what does he back this lies up with?  Ask him!

Where is one verse of Scripture backing up this lie of hell?

Why does Coffeman call me wrong, when I am saying exactly what the Word says, and then he makes such evil statements as this, without one single verse of Scritpure?  He is a worker of Satan and evil and out to take everyone away from the TRUTH I AM TEACHING.

Angels did not every have children.  angels did not ever mate with women.  Angels are spirits, not flesh.  Angels did not mate with women.  It is LIES OF THE DEVIL.

If you repeat these lies, you are partakers of their sins.  BE VERY CAREFUL OF WHAT YOU REPEAT AND AFFIRM.

Do not partake of other men's sins!

Tweety, PLEASE take this to your board.  Stand up for truth.  Put this evil liar down with truth.  He is speaking evil lies and will cause many to fall into destruction.

Jo


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/11/2007 12:03 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameTweety134</NOBR> Sent: 1/7/2007 9:05 AM
Good Morning Freeborn,
Thank You so much for this. I will have to study this out more. Like I said before there is something about Adam & Eve-that is being missed. I know I will be refuted because it does not say that in the Bible about it. If you compare Adam with Jesus and how their inner self changed. Adam was glorified (I don't think fully glorified though) Why do I think that way? God put Adam in the garden to dress it and keep it. Same thing with Jesus-he grew in wisdom and spirit. If you compare Jesus with Adam you will see where Jesus completed what Adam could not do when he sinned. When Jesus died-he had flesh-but it was not flesh like ours-that is why he had said do not touch me-his flesh was better than ours. Adam was suppose to be in the image that Jesus was when he rose from that grave. Jesus was given the full glory of God Himself when he got back to heaven? All of this is just questions in my head. And I will have to search scriptures to have any truth in it. Enonch & Elijah went to heaven in our flesh and is still living in heaven. They must come back and die on this earth to have glorification like Jesus. See where I am getting at? That is why most people say they are the 2 witnessess. But some say Moses and Enonch are the witnessess. I have much studing to do. I will catch you later. Tweety

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/11/2007 12:03 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 1/7/2007 11:19 AM
Dear Tweety,
 
I am glad to see you so fervently searching for truth.   This desire is what it takes.  But as long as you allow people to tell you things which are NOT WRITTEN in Scripture, you will be confused and perplexed.
 
Dakes is one of the main insturments which is confusing you.  You put too much trust in what that man said.  You keep saying that Satan USED the serpent.
See, no Scripture says this.
 
First, learn to seek in the SCRIPTURES to see if a thing is true.  Seeking the answers in Dakes or any other source, other than the Word of God will only lead you astray.
 
If Dakes could not give you a verse saying the things he says,  then he was making stuff up in his own carnal mind, or repeating things other carnal men made up.  Either way, you end up partaking of their confusion and SINS.
 
You will NEVER know the truth about Adam, Satan, serpent, as long as you listen to this lie.
 
There is no truth to the saying that Adam was not fully glorified.  There is no such things given in the Word as partial glorification.
Now seek out the real meaning of
"dressing and keeping"  that garden.
 
I have the answer already in my message on Adam.  (don't remember which one).  I have several different messages on this subject.  They are all on the Adam/Satan board.
 
Jesus was EXACTLY the same kind of mortal flesh as we are before his resurrection.
 
He was telling Mary not to WORSHIP HIM YET.  God had not at that time set him up on the throne of God to be worshipped as God.
 
Remember what I taught that each time a LIE, OR FALSE DOCTRINE is spoken it brings up more 'briars' and 'thorns' which is VIOLENCE.
 
So please be careful of repeating these men's doctrines without SOLID SCRIPTURE PROOF.
 
Everyone needs to be very careful of this matter.   MAKE  SURE  IT  IS THE WRITTEN TRUTH OF GOD BEFORE YOU SPEAK IT OR ACCEPT IT.
 
Make everyone give you a WRITTEN VERSE WHICH SAYS WHAT THEY ARE SAYING.
 
This is our only safety.  If they do not have one,  it is false, or they do not know truth.
 
Ask Coffeman to give you a written verse saying that God made the body of Jesus without ANY  PART OF MARY.
 
He cannot do it.  He is repeating lies.  So now if this man has so much false doctrine in his head,  how can you think he will bring much knowledge and truth to your group?
 
He has no truth.  You cannot have truth and believe such lies as he has stated.
Neither can you have truth believing that angels had sex with human women and bear children.
 
No Scripture speaks such stuff.
 
I am not rebuking you.... only admonishing you for your own spiritual welfare.
 
Love to you,
Jo

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/11/2007 12:04 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 1/7/2007 11:33 AM
No Scripture teaches us that Enonch and Elijah will come back and die.  The Word says in Hebrews that they were translated,  not to see death.
 
Now the two witnesses are the true Church of God, in Acts, which received the power from on high by the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, to do the same things of God that Jesus did.
 
There will be yet another great powerful true Church to bring the wrath of the Lamb on this earth.  That witness will have the baptism of FIRE ,  for judgment.
 
Now,
Again Accept this is love.  I am not rebuking you.  but as a person who also came out of false doctrine to seek and find the truth in the Word,  I know what  has to be done.
 
You are seeking too much depth right now.  You are out in the deep waters which many men,  such as Dakes, Scofield, and most others,  drowned in.  They tried to get the deep truth or mysteries of the Word,  WITHOUT FIRST GOING TO PENTECOST.
 
They refused the Baptism in water in the Name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of their sins,  they refused the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, speaking in tongues as they did on the Day of Pentecost.  They ended up denying these truths.
 
Concequently they did NOT HAVE THE TEACHER, or anointing,  the Holy Ghost,  teaching them.  So they picked up carnal lies which had been handed down for all these ages.
 
Now that is where you are right now.  So please,  stop.  Stop trying to get to the bottom of the depth, or the top of the ladder, before you learn to 'swim'.
 
Don't try to soar the heavens, before you are given those Eagles Wings.  You will only crash and end up hurt.  You are out on a battle field with ugly, hateful, devil-filled men who have no love, no compassion, and no ethics.  They will take your soul to hell and laugh about it.  You do not need to be there without the Holy Ghost guiding you.
Right now, God is protecting you, for you are his innocent child.  But if you keep refusing his truth,  you will eventually fall into the muck and mire with men like coffe and bill.
 
 
What I am telling you is simple.  Stop trying to get the deep mysteries WITHOUT FIRST GOING TO PENTECOST.
 
You must have your Pentecost, before you are equipped to find the deep truths in the Word of God.
 
Without the Holy Ghost, you will only crash land into the sea of confusion.
 
That is what is happening to you.
 
first,  after you have fully repented, as much as you know how,  go get water baptized the right way, believing the truth.  (Acts 2:38)
 
Seek until you are filled with the Baptism of the Holy Ghost,  knowing He spoke in tongues through your mouth.
 
Then you will be equipped to find these deep mysteries.
 
Seek for now,  the right and only plan of salvation.  obey it.  then make sure you are on the same foundation Peter was on....for without this truth,  all Scripture will seem to say things it is not saying.
 
Truth will be hid to your eyes.
 
I hope you seriously consider this admonition which I feel God wanted me to tell you.
 
Jo 


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/11/2007 12:05 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameAxs2-381</NOBR> Sent: 1/7/2007 12:19 PM

I did a lots of research on the face and the back parts.

It is as Freeborn said:  God showed Moses the NT Covenant, Grace.  That is the back part.

Ex 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

Study this out and see if not what I am saying is truth.

Face meaning before and behind, toward, in front of, forward, formerly, from beforetime, before

Face here means the beginning, so he is talking about the Old Testament law. He told Moses you cannot go back over there and live, there is no life of the Old Testament law. The true Moses has found Grace, which is the backside of God (New Testament Grace)

Now we look and see where God told Moses I’m going to show you my back part where my glory is the New Testament.

Ex 33:21 And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:

Ex 33:22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:

Ex 33:23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

God said that he was going to show Moses his back parts. OK, back here means a time to come which means the New Testament the people under grace. Praise the Lord.

 Exodus 33:   19And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.

The NT was the goodness that the LORD showed Moses, that was what passed before him. There was no mercy under the OT covenant. You can only find goodness and mercy under the NT covenant. There was no mercy or compassion under the OT. You can only find these under the NT way of serving God.

it was speaking of the latter move of God = GRACE, or the New Testament.

The Israelites only saw the face, or front side, or the first moving of God = the OT.

there is only death in this covenant. Law was never of God. God never chose for anyone to be under law. The people chose their own way, which leads to death or darkness.

We now see God in glory, for we are given the revelation of the New Covenant = Grace. So this is what Moses also saw. The New Testament = Grace.



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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/11/2007 12:07 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameAxs2-381</NOBR> Sent: 1/7/2007 12:23 PM
#5= great message = Freeborn. You can not received much without going to Pentecost. Praise the Lord for PENTECOST.

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 1/7/2007 12:42 PM
Exodus 33:   19And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.

Thank you, Axs, for this great message.  I am glad you posted this truth here for us.

Now the above verse shows us that God proclaimed the Name to Moses.  We know this refers to the Name by which we must be saved,  the Name of the  NT Covenant,  =  Jesus Christ.

So this solidly proves that God showed the NT covenant of the blood of Jesus to Moses right here.

carnal minded men, like that coffeman, says that God showed Moses the hind parts of a man.  how carnal and foolish can people get.  Yet they lift themselves up as great teachers of God and deceived the innocent children.

Coffeman and others like him, declare that they do, and we must,  check out all sorts of writtings of so-called 'scholars' and commentaries,  and then he has the understanding to sort out which of them he believes is closest to his own deceived thoughts.

They tell us this is how to get revelation of truth.  Where did God tell us that?  Jesus said,  search the SCRIPTURES.

This is the only source of truth.  The KJV  has ALREADY been perfectly translated from the original languages, into our great English.  All we have to do is study it and seek God's truth.

Yet almost everyone yells and screams that we have to seek commentators,  scholars, and have a degree in the original language, which none of them have,  to be able to get truth.

 

It is so FOOLISH.  It is a trick of the evil Satan,  mankind.

Rev. 12 solidly links the dragon,  the devil, and the old serpent as being one and the same being,  yet people still claim that Satan used the serpent, and they are something other than Adam.  See, they cannot 'hear' truth, when it is presented to them over and over.

<NOBR>Re 12:9</NOBR> And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.


Tweety,  what do you make of the above verse? 

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/11/2007 12:08 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 1/7/2007 3:38 PM
Axs and Tweety,
 
I told Tweety when we talked Sat. night, to read my message, The Two Edged Sword.  So last night, I meant to read it before going to sleep.  after I had searched a couple of times, I saw that I did not have it in print.  I must have given the last one away.
 
So I looked for it today on our special boards, but did not find it.  So I went 'fishing' in back pages for it.  Had to go a long ways back.  Then I meant to print it out to read.
 
I got something mixed up, so closed it and then came back to do it.  I made a mistake this time and without realizing it,  brought up and printed out  Twice Dead, plucked up by the Roots.
 
I had changed the date, thinking it was wrong.  But I was looking at the wrong message.  So I printed that one out and sat down to read it.  Then I realized it was not the one I wanted.  So I came back and printed out the right one.  I have just finished reading it.  Have not read it in a good while.  It is easy to forget what they say.
 
I was totally astonished at the message.  It is such glorious food from heaven!
 
In this message, Two Edged Sword,  I showed how law was the front side of those stones and the book, and the life of Jesus .
 
Then I showed how Grace is on the backside of the stones, and the life of JEsus. 
 
It shows how we first have law, the schoolmaster,  but after we come to Christ, we are no longer under that law, or schoolmaster.  We now live on the backside.
 
It proves again what we are saying here, about the back side which God showed Moses,  is GRACE.
 
People who cling to law will never be able to turn those stones over and read the backside, which is grace.  thus they will be doomed to destruction, as that first set of stones was broken.
 
I think this is one of the best messages I have ever heard or written.  It is so glorious, it takes my breath away.!!!
 
Isn't it glorious how God gave you that message, then gave me this one!  They are the same and came from the same source  =  God.
 
I truly hope tweety and everyone here will read this message and let it speak to you.  Don't cheat yourselves out of eternal life, by clinging to the face, front side, or law.
If you are still under that bondAge of law,  you HAVE NOT COME TO CHRIST.
 
Jo

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/11/2007 12:10 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 1/9/2007 10:04 AM
>Re 12:9</NOBR> And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
<NOBR>Re 12:3</NOBR> And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red DRAGON, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

<NOBR>Re 13:1</NOBR> And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.


I started writting something here,  but see something which solidly proves that the devil is man.  I will go ahead and send this one here,  but am going to do a full one using this to prove that Satan is man.

 

What I wanted to do here is ask Tweety, and all of you,  HOW  LONG WILL YOU CONTINUE TO DENY THE aBOVE VERSE?


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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 1/9/2007 11:46 AM
Please read the new message I posted on the Adam/satan board.

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameTweety134</NOBR> Sent: 1/10/2007 9:14 PM
Dear Freeborn,
I have read this message from you about twice already. And tonight something else came to my mind. Adam in the begiining was suppose to live forever. If he had not sinned. When I was reading what you said here. Something came to me. Do you see how in the BIble the people had lived many years-far many that we have seen?
God put a tiem to die on people. They lived 100's of years. Adam live 900 and something before he died. Now the average life span is 80 or 86. So when Adam ate of the forbidden fruit a time clock on his life got started. This could not have happened if he had not disobeyed God and ate of the tree. He had to be something other than flesh when he was in the garden. And Bill said that is good that you see a second creation in Gen. And that has opened up a whole new revelation to me. Bill says yes it is about Jesus. So me, you, and Bill agree on one thing. I know you have read many times Gen 2. So I should not ask you have you read it. Silly me. I hope that you have a great night. Tweety

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/11/2007 12:11 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 1/11/2007 4:58 AM
Dear Tweety,
 
Thank you for your comments.  I am so glad you are studying the Word and seeking the truth.  This desire for truth is our only hope and safety.
 
I think what you say here is certainly true.  You know I was meditating a while ago on the breath of LIFE.  I woke very early and could not go back to sleep, so got up to think on these things.
 
The 'BREATH' of LIFE is not what people think it is.  I do not believe it is the oxygen we 'breathe'.
 
See, in Genesis one, everything there had LIFE, or the Seed of Life in ITSELF.  Now this means something different from our natural life we now have.  If not,  then why would Jesus say that when we come to him, we pass from  DEATH to LIFE?
 
Death is Satan.  Life Is the Lord.
 
Law is death.  Life is grace.
 
In the beginnning,  in the Garden,  they had God Life or God power.  So death was not at work in their members.  They would never have died.  But after Adam sinned and rebelled against God,  He took back that life, and death entered into them. 
 
 It is true that they lived much longer than we do.  I believe their bodies and food had much greater health and power than we now have.
 
See each time lies, or false doctrine is spoken,  it brings forth MORE BRIARS and thornes in the world.  It brings more weakness and sickness into our bodies.  Thus life has slipped way down.  See even in our lifetimes, we see so many more dying at a very young age.  It is all because of sin.
 
If God allowed this world to continue, as some think it will,  there would be no life left, for sin and false doctrine has filled the world.  So the life-expectancy would drop so low, I honestly doubt people would get grown to produce any more life.
 
Satan has deceived this whole world.  Adam has deceived this whole world.
 
More people fight me and turn from me over this revelation of Adam being satan, than anything else I have ever taught.  Why?
 
Because they believe that Adam was somehow a good person,  in spite of the fact that the Word of God DECLARES THAT BY THIS ONE MAN SIN AND DEATH ENTERED THIS WORLD.
 
God bless you,
Jo

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From: <NOBR>MSN Nicknamerollingstone444</NOBR> Sent: 1/11/2007 11:28 PM
boy now you can see what i meant about false stuff getting its start.  i got a big laugh off what the person callimg hisself coffeman had to say.  sure has made up[ loads of snow piles.  he must have fell down from the north pole , but rather think he is from the south pole.  they dont know as much as us from the noreth pole.
 
says he saw a demon.  must be what is teaching him that stuff.  god formed jesus but not from mary.  huh.  did it hear that right?   and god showed moses the hind (does it mean what it sounds like)  part of a man?
me thinks me better go back to the pole.  but maybe he should be the one.  freeze up his bad thoughts a while, maybe when he thaws out, he can think better.

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 1/12/2007 9:55 PM
Rollingstone444,  that is some of the wisest and cutest words I have ever heard.  think you have a great solution for all these  'makers of new doctrines'.
 
they exist only to tell and hear something new,  not truth.  new gods, newly come up. 

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameTweety134</NOBR> Sent: 1/12/2007 10:18 PM
Freeborn,
I hope you are doing well. I read this message again. And I have never heard of anyone preachin about what the breath of life is. I think Adam's breath of life was much different than what we have. It has nothing to do with oxegyn that we breate.
When Adam sinned could God have taken back the breath of life from Adam?
Why do I say this? Adam passed sin into the world. He could not have passed into the world the had before he sinned. The breath of life died when he sinned. God power that he had died when Adam sinned. And all he had was a dead soul to God
He had no more Godly Spirit in him. We are not glorified when we are born. That is why I keep saying that there is alot more to Adam than what we are reading about.
 
Tweety

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/11/2007 12:12 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameTweety134</NOBR> Sent: 1/12/2007 10:25 PM
Genesis 2:7 (KJV)
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
 
He was a living soul. When we are born we are not called a living soul. We have a soul (our inner being). But it is covered in flesh. And only God can see into our souls. Adam was not flesh like we were. And the above passage is proof. Tweety


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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameTweety134</NOBR> Sent: 1/12/2007 10:27 PM

Notes For Verse 7

a [formed man] Hebrew: yatsar (HSN-<H3335>), to mold or squeeze into shape as a potter does (Gen. 2:7,19; 2Ki. 19:25; Ps. 94:9; 95:5; Isa. 45:18). The body was formed but the soul and spirit (the inner man) was created (Gen. 1:26-27; 5:1-2).

—Dake's Study Notes

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 1/13/2007 10:36 AM
Hi Tweety,
 
I see you are getting some very good understanding here about what happened to Adam.  I rather think that the breath of life did not die, but went back to God who gave it.
 
That is the real 'death' God was speaking of when he told Adam, the day you 'eat' of that tree, that day you will 'die'.  See carnal minded people only know one meaning of words.  They never get any spiritual understanding.  So they can think only in terms of the body, what they see, hear and feel with their natural senses.
 
Death, in the sight of God, is to be without the God-life.  That is why Jesus said we are DEAD in trespesses and sins,  before he gives us that life, the Holy Ghost.
 
It is spiritual death.  So most people you see walking around are really dead.  Natural life, compared to God life, is a death.
 
The angels are greater in might and power than we are.  I am wondering if the angels are our glorified bodies which we will 'marry' at our resurrection?  I had a dream about this years ago.
 
They are spirits, and yet appear as bodies.  So I am thinking they are the ones created in Chapter one.  They are the heavenly bodies.
 
But right now I am not certain about this.
 
Jo

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