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| | From:  Freeborn551 (Original Message) | Sent: 6/27/2007 1:08 AM |
In Gen.4 :16: "And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord and dwelt in the land of Nod,on the east of Eden."
17: "and Cain knew his wife..."
The bible doesn't mention that Cain found his wife in the land of Nod or that he already had a wife before going to the land of Nod.
In Gen 4:1 ,Eve said: "I have gotten a MAN from the Lord".She must have thought it was the promised Messiah.
She doesn't say "a child".
Since Cain had a wife, there must have been female children born to Eve , perhaps even before Cain was born, or between Cain and Abel.
Cain said in Gen.4:14 "...and it shall come to pass that every one that findeth me shall slay me."
So there must have been other people on earth than only Adam,Eve and Cain.
Been wondering: isn't it possible that Adam and Eve already had children before they left Eden?
I know, this isn't in the bible, just a thought of me.
I find it odd that Cain said: every one that findeth me shall slay me.
Gen4:15 "and the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finfing him should kill him."
So there must have been other people.
And what was that mark?
I hope someone can help me out.
eelya
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| eeyla, before I write anything to answer your questions, I hope you will read this message, when you find time. It is the basic ground for understanding this stuff about Cain and Nod. I doubt you will agree with this, since Larry is the only other person I have shown this to, who sees it and agrees. But read this message and I will try to find the other answers in another message. thanks for the questions. Hope you find the true answers. | |
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| And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand; | | When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. | | And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear. | | Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. | | And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him. | | And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. | | And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch. |
Gen 4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch. Now this proves Cain was no farmer. This proves Cain was into building big cities. The love of money is the ROOT of all evil. Adam is the father of all lies. Adam and Cain are the root or beginning of all evil. They were fully caught up in their lust for money. This city, Enoch, also proves Cain did not go to Nod until his death. He did not live in a place called Nod. His land is on the other side of death, where he is going to and fro right now. In this life, he built and lived in this city, Enoch. See that Cain was cursed FROM THE EARTH, when God set his punishment or judgment. Then it said God had driven Cain OUT from the FACE of the earth. Cain said this is unbearable punishment. Why? did Cain THEN go into some other city on this earth, and find or have a wife there? No. It is not saying that. when people read Scripture they read it all together as if some novel is being told, and that the events take place like 1,2,3,. as told. But that is just not the case. The things of God must be SPIRITUALLY discerned or they will never be understood truthfully. God is showing from the start to the finish, how the punishment of Cain is. He takes it from the pronouncement of God to how it will end up, BEFORE he gets back to telling us how Cain lived. It shows that Cain would leave the presence of God, be driven out of this earth, and then go into the Land of Nod, where he will roam to and fro, as a fugitive and vagabond. This powerful man, who build the City of Enoch, is not this man on the run as a fugitive. That happened AFTER CAIN DIED. After God finishes tellin us about Cain's death and punishment, THEN He goes BACK and picks up with Cain's LIFE. Cain knew his wife and had a son, and built a city and called it by his sons name. After all of this, Cain died and went into Nod, where he is still roaming to and fro today. Now that is the revealed truth of this matter. Nod is Death, where Cain is ruling over it in sin. Cain knew his wife long before he died and went into Nod. Now I am quite sure almost no one is going to see this truth, for they cannot spiritually discern truth. They see things from a natural, carnal view, and it leads them into darkness, same as it did to Cain and adam. So far as I can find, The Word does not say who Cain's wife was. I do know for a FACT that there were many people in Eden. I also found that they did not leave Eden UNTIL THE FLOOD AT NOAH'S TIME. I am sure this is also hidden from people. There were many people, before Cain married either his sister, cousin, neice or someone who had decended from this same family. I do not believe there were cave people ever. the Word of God does NOT BEAR OUT SUCH STUFF. The mark on Cain is the mark of the beast. It is not some natural, literal, visible mark, as carnal minded people think. It is that Cain was into buying and selling the things of God, in other word, church religion. Making money off the things of God. that is the mark of the beast. People always look UP TO THESE LEADERS OF THIS MONEY MAKING SCHEME. SO THEY TAKE OTHERS INTO BONDAGE OR SLAVERY TO THEMSELVES. WHEN PEOPLE SAW THAT POWER IN CAIN, THEY WERE NOT ABOUT TO KILL HIM. JO | |
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| Read this message. It might help also. | Reply
| | | In Gen 4:1 ,Eve said: "I have gotten a MAN from the Lord".She must have thought it was the promised Messiah. eeyla
This statement shows that Eve had repented of being deceived into rebelling against God. She was back to worshipping the true God. She gave praise to God for the children she had. Adam is never said to have praised God at any time. People hate this truth and resist it, but it is still the truth anyway. I think they considered all male children to be a 'man' child. but you have something there in that she knew God had promised her that her SEED would bruise the head of that serpent, the hypocrite carnal mind in Adam. So she was looking for a righteous child to fulfill this promise. It did come through HER SEED, the one righteous seed in all existance, and it came down from righteous man to righteous man, down into Jesus Christ, where this prophecy was fulfilled. See then that Jesus Christ was the SEED FROM EVE? Yet carnal minded jerks are calling Eve all kinds of evil and bad stuff, lying about her. God will bring them all into judgment for this kind of evil, unless they repent. | | |
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| From: Isaiah | Sent: 9/7/2006 11:57 AM | | Been wondering: isn't it possible that Adam and Eve already had children before they left Eden?
First of all, let me say that the bible is not written in let me say ABC order as some thinks. Yes it is possible that Adam and Eve already had children before they left Eden? The reason I say that is when you go to Genius 5 it states the following ..... | This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; | | | | Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. | | | | And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth: | | | | And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters: | As I said before I donot believe the bible was established in ABC order as some would think. Was this before Adam and Eve left Eden? I can not say but I do know that it said, Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. Let me also show you here what the name Adam means ....... Strong's Hebrew Definition for # 0120
0120 // Mda // 'adam // aw-dawm' //
from 0119 ; TWOT - 25a; n m
AV - man 408, men 121, Adam 13, person(s) 8, common sort + 07230 1,
hypocrite 1; 552
1) man, mankind
1a) man, human being
1b) man, mankind (much more frequently intended sense in OT)
1c) Adam, first man
1d) city in Jordan valley If you look Adam has several different meanings here. One being mankind. | Reply
| | Thanks a lot Freeborn and Isaiah, quite a study!!!
Something to read an re-read a few times.
It's all clear to me now that Nod means death.
I never saw Cain as a farmer either since he built a city.He was a self righteous man like you said Freeborn, a tiller of the ground, an man under the law, busy with earthly things, not the things of God.
Freeborn it also crossed my mind long ago that Adam didn't praise God.Only Eve did.
he never asked forgiveness for his disobedience.
Eve is often seen as a person who seduced Adam.But I don't find this in the bible.Only that "she ate and gave him and he ate too."
I don't see this as seducing someone.he could have refused.
Many christians explain this as follows: Adam ate out of love for her!!!Then why did he say to God: "the woman YOU gave me" as if he wanted to blame God for the woman who has been given to him.
Freeborn and Isaiah, I also believe that there were many people in Eden.
Just like both of you, I don't see the bible like reading a novel, and events taking place like 1,2,3.
Most christians believe that Adam and Eve were only one day in Eden!!Come on, they had dominion over the whole earth.And God told to be fruitful and multiply.
I don't think that God meant them to multiply only after the fall.If they hadn't sinned, they wouldn't have died.
I once read a good book about this subject, the author also believed that there were already children born unto them in Eden.
I don't believe in cave men either.You don't find them in the archaeology of the Middle east.
In Europe, yes.I've seen several of these so called pre historic caves in my country.I wonder what's true about all this.
Freeborn, I see it like you, our spirit is imprisoned in our body.I'm sure that before the fall Adam and Eve could be everywhere on earth without using means of transportation like we know nowadays.And after the sin, this ability was taken away from them.
Freeborn,"there were many people in Eden.I also found that they did not leave Eden until the flood in Noach's time."
Couldn't it be possible that those people were the "sons of God" of Gen.6 ?That they mixed with the daughters of men?
Just a thought of me, perhaps you know more about this.
Or were these sons of God only the descendants of Seth?
Still have to read :Cain and Abel.
Thanks Isaiah for the explanation of the name Adam.
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| Hi Eelya, You are closer to the truth of this than anyone I have ever encountered, other than Isaiah and me. I have not found anyone else who could even consider these things. If you keep studying you will see the full story and truth. right now I just got in from work, and do not have time to write on it. but I will get back to this with you later. Thanks for your input and kindness. Thank you too, Isaiah, for helping teach this. Yes, there was a world FULL of people in Eden. Read Eze. 28- 32, and you can fully see this. They stayed in that Garden 'state' until the time of the flood. Jo | Reply
| | | People make up things to fill in the 'blanks' in god's word. I saya we should not make up things, but instead go only by what is actually told to us in the Word of God. Since god did not tell us the full story about how or where or who Cain's wife was, we should take what he did give us and find the only conclusion that can come frrom that. to me the only obvious conclusion is that she had to be a decendant from Adam and Eve. tghere is no record of any other people living. God did not give us other records. men have lied and lied about cave man and all tht stuff they try to get people to believe. they never truly found a large enough fossil to prove anything they say. It is proven to be lies. | | Reply
| | Lovejoy,
about those cavemen stories.
If non believers accept this, ok.But what I think is that it is very sad that many christians believe this!!!
I once had a discussion about this in a bible study in church, that the first men weren't primitive brutes.,but higly intelligent.Wasn't Adam a very intelligent being?Naming all the animals ?Just to give an example.
I told them about the high civilisations in the East.
But they simply waved it away and laughed at me..So many christians see Adam and Eve like cavemen, dressed in skins of sheep or goats.They are misled by christian art or Hollywood.
They should do better to study the scriptures.
Cavemen?It' s easy to pick up a tooth of an ape somewhere and claim it to be the tooth of a human.
God created men, we are no cavemen.
eelya
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| I say a big amen to that eelya. yes, that is so true. Adam and Eve were much more intelligent and powerful than anyone since their time, for they were the very first creation of God. Adam had God-like understanding and power. I say man has gone backwards, not advanced. Solomon tells us that there is nothing new under the son. Thei shows that all things existed in their time. I dar say we cannot even imagine the glory of their world. It ws destroyed in that flood, and there has never been another society which could compare with them. | Reply
| | | Reply to # 9 ! Lovejoy, Cain had to marry one of his sisters ! Whom else was available ? Eric
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| | | Reply to # 1 ! Their were no children before Cain and Able, but you must remember that folks lived a great deal longer in the Earth's beginning, and the Bible is only concerned with how Salvation was accomplished for man kind, so when it speaks of Cain's wife [ woman ] it is making the point that Adam and Eve had many children, there were no other people to make children than them, until this day we are all their children. Do not let your imagination put things in your mind and heart that do not even have a common sense foundation, much less spiritual. Eric | | |
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| Eric, Common sense tells me that there is a possibility that there were many other children of Adam and Eve long before Cain married. The Word of God only names three of their children, but it says there were many more. Now no one, don't care who it is, or how smart they think they are some other 'scholor' is or way, has any way of knowing when the other children were born or how many there were. But we are told there were other sons and DAUGHTERS, for many many years, even hundreds of years. So there is certainly a great possibility that some other sister or brother had produced children before Cain married. So it could have been a cousin or as we say, a second cousin. We have no proof of this, so to guess is to try to go beyond what God told us. He also said not to think above what is written. So if it is not written, so that I can quote it, then it is not for anyone to say. We have some people so foolish and prideful in their own mind, that they are saying cain married a humind, (cave woman) or some kind of half-breed animal. they say he married a daughter of the serpent, which God says is the Devil or Satan. and they think Satan was an angel, so therefore, if they were truthful with the Word of God, they would have to conclude that he married an angel, or half-angel, and half human. I say that sheer foolishness, since God has shown that angels are sexless or do not marry as we do. So to stay true to the Word of God, I say Cain married either a sister, cousin or otherwise near kinswoman. That is the Word of God. It does not say he married a sister, so to affirm that possitively is to go beyond what the Word tells us. I stay with the Word. Jo | Reply
| | Eric,
when I wrote:there must have been other people on earth than Adam,Eve and Cain, I meant descendants of Adam and Eve.
Sorry if this lead to confusion.
Lovejoy, I agree : there is nothing new under the sun like Solomon said.
The bible doesn't tell much about the antediluvian times, but since this world had to be destroyed, they must have busy with other things than simply plant vegetables.
Jo, whoever Cain's wife was, she surely wasn't a humind.
About satan being an angel, was he really an angel like so many claim he was?
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| eelya, Satan is Adam. I have solidly proven this in many messages. The word of God clearly reveals that Adam is the one who was in the Garden of Eden and the one God anointed to be the covering or leader of this world. He is the first head of the beast. God never at any time set an angel to rule over this earth. It is just not true. No, Satan is not an angel. the cherub was Adam. it corresponds to the Ox, or calf, on the living creature. Most people are so carnal and natural minded that they think this four-faced living creature is also some kind of 'freakish' angel. It is foolishness and lack of a spiritual mind. That living creature is the TRUE CHRISTIANS. JO | |
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| In Gen 4:1 ,Eve said: "I have gotten a MAN from the Lord".She must have thought it was the promised Messiah. eeyla
This statement shows that Eve had repented of being deceived into rebelling against God. She was back to worshipping the true God. She gave praise to God for the children she had. Adam is never said to have praised God at any time. People hate this truth and resist it, but it is still the truth anyway. I think they considered all male children to be a 'man' child. but you have something there in that she knew God had promised her that her SEED would bruise the head of that serpent, the hypocrite carnal mind in Adam. So she was looking for a righteous child to fulfill this promise. It did come through HER SEED, the one righteous seed in all existance, and it came down from righteous man to righteous man, down into Jesus Christ, where this prophecy was fulfilled. See then that Jesus Christ was the SEED FROM EVE? Yet carnal minded jerks are calling Eve all kinds of evil and bad stuff, lying about her. God will bring them all into judgment for this kind of evil, unless they repent.
| Freeborn, This message was written not too long ago. But you were preachin it long before I started reading about Adam & Eve. And Long before I got into that false doctrine of the serpent seed doctrine. Yes. What you said above is true. But man will never believe it. Man has from the beginning always wanted the women to be the scapegoat. That is what I have been thinking about lately. Adam wanted Eve to be the scapegoat for his sin. So the serpent talked to Eve. Not Adam. Why did he talk to Eve and not Adam? I know you think that Adam was the serpent. But I have been thinking abot this for a few weeks. The serpent and Adam planned to make Eve the scapegoat for the sin of eating of the fruit. I guess he figured that God would only punish her. But what did God do? He punished Adam. He punished the serpent. He did this because he knew what Adam was planning from the beginning. Remember, Adam even tried to blame God for making the women that took the fruit. If he had not nade the women none of the bad stuff would be happening in the garden. Remember God had to drive Adam out. He did not want to leave the garden. There is a two-fold message to the story of Adam & Eve. Satan wanted to mess up GOD's plan on having glorified people ruling and populating the earth. And Adam wanted Eve out of the way for some reason. I think it was pride. An another thing, Adam thought he was ruling over Eve long before the curse. Eve was forgiven by God. I wish people would see that. Adam was not decieved by Eve was. Tweety |
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