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Adam; Satan : Proof of the first sin
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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 9/26/2007 3:26 AM

~~ Proof of the first sin ~~

I want to tell you all something which God told me this weekend, as I read some Scripture.

I am so tired right now, I must only write a few words and go get some rest. Hope to do more on this later, but for now, just want to show you something that God showed me which solidly PROVES that Adam had to be the serpent.

I mean this is so simple and clear in Scripture, that it is totally amazing to me that everyone has missed this. I mean I also missed this until Last night.

And it is the solid proof I have been asking God for.

Of course I already had proof, but I mean this is so solid, only a total fool could deny this after it is pointed out to you.

Two simple Scriptures solidly prove that Adam had to be that deceiving serpent. Paul told us that by one MAN, sin and death entered this world. He told us that this one MAN was Adam. He said as in Adam, all die. Death is in all of us. Death is working in our members. This death came to us by Adam's transgression. The Word plain says this. One would have to call God a lie to deny this.

Now:

Eve partook of the tree of law or death, because someone called a serpent deceived her into this. So she took of the tree and gave to her husband also. and he did eat. And he said She gave it to me. Right so far? Sure!

God said to him, because you have harkened to the voice of your wife and eaten of the tree I commanded you not to eat of...etc.

So because of this statement, everyone has always blamed Eve for the transgression. God said Adam transgressed.

Eve was also in the transgression. But it is amazing how man take one statement out of context and claim that Adam did not transgress, in face of the word of God saying by one MAN, Adam, sin entered this world.

I was on a Jesus-only site, a short while ago. They actually stated there that by this one woman sin came into the world.

When I brought it to their attention that Paul said it was by one MAN, Adam, they admitted this, but then set out to crucify me. and so they did. They all hate this truth so much!

But still a tiny something bothered my mind. I had it down in my mind that it was Adam's deception which God was speaking of when He said sin entered by Adam. And I am sure that is part of it.

But God revealed this to me last night. Eating of that tree of the knowledge of good and evil WAS NOT THE FIRST, OR ORIGINAL SIN. I thought on this and realized that I do not remember ever reading this term in Scripture. I did a search. and guess what?

I was right. the words, original sin, or first sin, are not ever stated in Scripture. So some man made this doctrine up.

So with that out of the way, we must proceed to find out why it is stated that by Adam, sin entered this world, and death by sin.

Since the words, Original sin, is not Scriptural, we must seek the answer some other way. We must go by whom God said sin entered this world. He said it entered by Adam, not Eve�?

and not by any devil, called Satan�?

and not by some disobedient angel.

None of that is written in Scripture. Only ONE is named as the one through whom sin entered this world. That ONE is Adam. not Eve.

So, if she actually took of the fruit of that tree, FIRST, then THAT COULD NOT BE THE FIRST SIN. No Scripture tells us that eating of that tree is the first sin, now does it? If any of you know where that is stated, please show it. I do not know of any such statement being in the Word of God.

So then, God does not tell us false things. And since he declared in more than one place, that sin entered this world by this ONE MAN, ADAM, then we must seek for what was this sin which Adam did. If Eve ate of that tree first, then something else has to be the first sin, because God said sin entered the world by one MAN, ADAM. Adam had already sinned and become a serpent, before they partook of that tree!

The answer lies in Eze.

Eze 28:1 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying, Eze 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

Eze 28:4 With thy wisdom and with thine understanding thou hast gotten thee riches, and hast gotten gold and silver into thy treasures: Eze 28:5 By thy great wisdom and by thy traffic hast thou increased thy riches, and thine heart is lifted up because of thy riches: Eze 28:6 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God;

Eze 28:7 Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness. Eze 28:8 They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of them that are slain in the midst of the seas. Eze 28:9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee

Eze 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

Eze 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Eze 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffic; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

Eze 31:8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty. Eze 31:9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.

Eze 31:10 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast lifted up thyself in height, and he hath shot up his top among the thick boughs, and his heart is lifted up in his height;

Eze 31:11 I have therefore delivered him into the hand of the mighty one of the heathen; he shall surely deal with him: I have driven him out for his wickedness.

Eze 31:12 And strangers, the terrible of the nations, have cut him off, and have left him: upon the mountains and in all the valleys his branches are fallen, and his boughs are broken by all the rivers of the land; and all the people of the earth are gone down from his shadow, and have left him. Eze 31:13 Upon his ruin shall all the fowls of the heaven remain, and all the beasts of the field shall be upon his branches: Eze 31:14 To the end that none of all the trees by the waters exalt themselves for their height, neither shoot up their top among the thick boughs, neither their trees stand up in their height, all that drink water: for they are all delivered unto death, to the nether parts of the earth, in the midst of the children of men, with them that go down to the pit.

Isa 44:20 He feedeth on ashes: a deceived heart hath turned him aside, that he cannot deliver his soul, nor say, Is there not a lie in my right hand?

Isa 14:8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us. Isa 14:9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.

Isa 14:10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?

Isa 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

Jer 49:16 Thy terribleness hath deceived thee, and the pride of thine heart, O thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, that holdest the height of the hill: though thou shouldest make thy nest as high as the eagle, I will bring thee down from thence, saith the LORD.

Ob 1:3 The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground? Ob 1:4 Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD.

1jo 2:14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.

1jo 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

1jo 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Dust shall be the SERPENTS meat, or portion. Isa 44:20 He feedeth on ashes: a deceived heart hath turned him aside,�?/FONT>

Eze 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffic; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

Adam lifted himself up in pride. He exalted himself. He even went so far as to boast that he was above God and sits in the seat, or place of authority, of God. He exalted himself above the stars of God. The pride of his heart deceived him. God hates pride and lifting oneself up above others. He caused all those in the Garden of God to be envious of him. God hates this. He was the most beautiful and wise of God’s creatures, for he was God’s own son, Adam. God placed him into a body of DUST. This DUST is that serpent’s meat. This is the ashes God brought him into. This is the ashes he FEEDS upon, or eats. It is his meat. Dust and ashes mean the very same thing. It was earthly, human flesh. It was human pride.

This is a lot of scripture. But all the true sheep of God will enjoy reading it and seeking the truth. If you can read, and are honest, and let God speak to you from His Word and His Spirit, you cannot see anything else in these Scriptures.

All of this exalting of self, and his pride, is this sin of Adam. He is the very one all of the above Scriptures are speaking about. Only those who hate truth will blind themselves to this clear truth. If you deny this, you may just as well call all of God’s word a lie and forget it. Go love Adam and follow him into hell. God said that sin entered the world by one Man, Adam.

So if Eve ate of the tree first, then it proves that Adam had already sinned in some other way. If someone other than Adam, deceived Eve, and she ate of the tree first, and Adam had not sinned some other way, then God was wrong when he said Sin entered by Adam. If someone other than Adam were the deceiver, then that deceiver had to be the one through whom sin entered this world. The deceiver had to have already sinned in order to be a deceiver! The deceiver was calling God a lie, so the deceiver had to be a sinner! Then Sin would not have entered the world by Adam, unless Adam were the deceiver. How can you not see this?

As I have shown you in other messages, ‘serpent�?means a religious hypocrite. This is what pride and exalting self is. It is a sin which God hates. This is the very reason the first Church had all things common and did not lift one above another. Jesus said with you it shall not be so, that one rule over another, for you are all ONE, or EQUAL. Under this spirit of equality, or love thy neighbor AS THYSELF, one cannot become exalted or lifted up in pride. It is iniquity. This is exactly the iniquity which was found in the anointed cherub, Adam. He was perfect in the day he was created UNTIL INIQUITY WAS FOUND IN HIM. Until he exalted himself, he was the anointed cherub. But after he sinned in his pride, God cast him out. God brought him to ashes, or dust. He was placed into a body of dust. He was cast to the ‘ground�?

But in the pride of his silly heart, he is still saying, I will EXALT my throne above the stars of God, I will be like God. So, in the face of all these Scriptures, proving that Adam was the one in the garden of Eden and the one who lifted himself up in height and pride, we see that Adam had become full of sin BEFORE he deceived Eve into partaking of the law, or that tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

So, see. That was not the so-called ‘original sin�? Now Satan knew this all along and that is why he filled the minds of those who obey him and believe and teach their lies, with this lie about eating of that tree being the ‘original sin�? The Word of God does not even mention ‘original sin�? But all the Scriptures above solidly prove that Adam had become filled with the SIN OF PRIDE and exalting himself above all others, long before He deceived Eve into sinning.

So Adam is that deceiver. A deceived heart had already turned Adam aside. (He was not deceived about the eating of that tree. But he had deceived his own heart into thinking he was above God). He was no longer following God, for he was envious of God and thought himself above God. He was so powerful, and beautiful, and set to himself, that he actually thought himself above God, or any of the stars of God. So this sin of PRIDE is the first sin. He lied when he said I am God. This lie preceded eating of that tree. His pride preceded eating of that tree. His exalting himself preceded the eating of that tree. Adam, the serpent, proved that he was interested in becoming a God, when he said to her, God knows that we will be as gods. This was his goal.

Adam was already the wicked one, long before he deceived Eve into eating of that tree. This is just yet another trick to get control over her and all others. This is that pride of men who seek to rule over all others and to rule the world. They are the cause of all the violence in the world. This is exactly why that first world became filled with violence. This is the very cause of all wars, all broken homes, all cruelty and murders. Without this sin of pride and wanting to be above others, no one would ever hurt another.

God’s way of life is equality, love. Love thy neighbor and thy wife as thyself. If a person did this, they could not hurt that other person. In this kind of love, one cannot rule over another, for to be ruled over is to be in bondage. Love does not bring others into bondage. Love does as Jesus did, set them all free. Set the prisoners free. Adam brought them all into slavery or bondage, but Jesus set them free. All who go back to that old law of ruling over thy wife or others, is right back under that old evil, wicked spirit of Adam, the SERPENT, CALLED SATAN and the devil.

This message solidly proves that this is none other than ADAM, the anointed cherub, gone bad. He was filled with pride and exalting himself up above others. This is an abomination to God. God is love and equality. His kingdom is love and equality. So Adam went right the opposite. Now since this proves that eating of that tree was not the first sin, we see proof that Adam had ALREADY sinned before they ate of the tree. So Adam had already become a SERPENT, or religious HYPOCRITE. This proves that eating of that tree was not the first, or original sin, as the world portrays. So pointing the finger at Eve as the first one to sin is totally wrong. God said that sin entered this world by ONE MAN, ADAM. God did not say that sin entered the world by an angel. He did not say that an angel brought us into death. It is lies of man, Adam. If God said sin entered by Adam, then that is the only right answer. If you say it was an angel, you are calling God a lie and saying that you know more than God knows. This is that sin of pride and lifting yourself above God.

So Adam’s first sin was not in eating of that tree. It was pride, exalting himself above others and causing jealousy, envy, and wars and violence. Pride is one of the sins of the world which God said proves that the love of the Father is not in you. So Adam had already left off having any love, if he ever had any, before he deceived Eve into disobeying God in the matter of that tree. That was just a means of bringing her down into sin with him, so he could get the ruling power over her. God did not cast the woman out of the Garden. He did not cast some angel out of the garden. He cast out the man because of the man’s wickedness. This man, Adam, is the WICKED ONE.

The law is such a deceiving false �?I>worship�?of God, that it was fairly easy for Adam to convince Eve that it was the thing to do. Yet the Word plainly declares that God hates everything about that law system~! Read Isa. One, and 66, for proof!

We have overcome the wicked one. We live by love and equality. If you do not live by love and equality for all, you are under that evil tree’s shadow still. He is Adam. He is that tree which lifted up his branches above all the others. He is the fallen one. He is the one who caused all the violence in this world. He is Satan and he is that serpent. All who lift themselves up over others, such as ruling over your wife, are part of that serpent family. You are a serpent. You are a wicked one. You are full of pride and exalting yourself up as god to be worshipped.

Oh wicked MAN. How long will you rebel and bring the world into death? And violence? And wars? And more death? Oh wretched man, who shall deliver you from that body of DEATH? Only by coming into Christ, where there is neither male, nor female, neither bond nor free, will you ever be free from this wicked one. Who wants to be free? Why do most females still allow themselves to be placed right back into this bondage which Jesus died to deliver us from? Why? Do you not love God? Do you not wish to study His Word and find glorious secrets of truth? Or would you rather just go about doing your earthly ‘servitude�? carnal things? (Why be a ‘Martha�?when you could just as easily be a Mary)? Is that it? You just do not wish to put forth any effort to study, pray and seek the gifts of the Spirit, to be a LIGHT, shining for Jesus?

I truly believe this is the whole answer. You wish to be ruled over, as you think this delivers you from any responsibility to God. But it is lies from your Serpent husband or preacher man. And that evil serpent you are married to or listening to is cheating you of the glorious things of God, and eternal life. You have both gone right back to that dead OT covenant, and there is no life in it. So I am warning you all, if you want eternal life, you had better get away from that wicked one, that law mind of that old serpent, Adam, and get into the NT with Jesus Christ, who requires EQUALITY. He forbid for some to rule over others. It is not God’s way. So if you insist on clinging to this barbaric way of life, bondage, ruling over others, violence, then you will end up in that lake of fire. Only through the NT Covenant, of grace, or equality, is there any life. Why will you die? Is it worth it to you?

By: Jo Smith …Sept. 24, 2007

 



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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/28/2007 3:13 PM
I added this statement to the above message and reprinted it out for myself.  If any of you wish to do this also, it might help.  But really, the truth of it is already in the message.
But you know that most people are so deceived and simple that you must spell out every single thought to them.
 
God said in those Scriptures in Eze. 28 that the anointed cherub was a created MAN.  God only created ONE MAN. And that man was Adam.
God said this man was perfect in the day he was CREATED until iniquity was found in him.  Then he said this cherub would only be a man in the hand of those who slay him.
God said I have driven him out for his wickedness.
 
This can only be one MAN, and that one man is ADAM.
 
I truly wonder how anyone could make anything else out of this Scripture?

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 10/3/2007 12:46 AM
Here we go again:
 

People who know they are not teaching God’s truth, mock those who know we must prove all things with WRITTEN SCRIPTURE.

When you see men mocking those of us who can and do prove what we say with Scripture, you know that men as no truth, but is only teaching his own defiled nature. If he had truth, he could quote it from written Scripture.

Now he said that Lucifer was a fallen ANGEL. Let him prove it with WRITTEN SCRIPTURE. There is none, and that is why he is fighting me for asking for Scripture.

Well here is what God DID say about that Cherub, which He had anointed to be the covering for this world: Eze 28:1 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying, Eze 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

Now see. God did not say this person in the Garden of Eden was an ANGEL, now did he? If so, where?

Keep watching: Eze 28:9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.

Again, God told this Lucifer that he was a MAN, not an angel.

Eze 28:10 Thou shalt die the deaths of the uncircumcised by the hand of strangers: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.

Now where did any angel ever die the deaths of the uncircumcised by the hand of strangers? Where has men ever killed angels?

Eze 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Now the above proves that this man had been in the Garden of Eden. Some like to claim that this is only an earthly king. Well, if so, when was this man in the Garden of Eden? How was he perfect in beauty? Beauty, in Scripture, means GLORIFIED. When we see Jesus, (Isa. 53) there is no beauty that we should desire him.

Verse 15. This man was perfect in his ways from the day he was CREATED. So what MAN was CREATED, and was in the Garden of Eden?

Ro 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Ro 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Ro 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Ro 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

Ro 5:16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

Ro 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) (Never said by one Angel’s offence, now did it?)

Ro 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Ro 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

1co 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 1co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

This one man, who brought sin and death into this world, was that same anointed cherub, the one and only man who was created and lived in the Garden of Eden. His name IS ADAM. By Adam all are dead. By Adam sin entered this world and death by that sin.

His sin was PRIDE. He is the one who was lifted up in pride and said, I am god. I sit in the seat of God. MAN. Yes, man is the culprit. He is still at it today, bringing innocent souls into deceit and damnation.

Now bring forth your proof that it was an ANGEL. There is NONE.

Freeborn, and not in bondage to any man.