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| | From:  Freeborn551 (Original Message) | Sent: 6/25/2008 8:44 PM |
Isa 14:4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased! Isa 14:5 The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers. Isa 14:6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth. Isa 14:7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing. Isa 14:8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us. Isa 14:9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations. Isa 14:10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us? Isa 14:11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying , Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; Now take note of this. It is dealing with another king, the king of Babylon. Yet it shows that this MAN is Lucifer. Yes. It shows that this king is the very same one who says I will be like the most HIGH. I am god. I will EXALT my throne above the stars of God. See? Same thing he had said in Eze. 28, 29, 30, and 31. I will exalt myself. I am god. Yet you are just a MAN. You will be brought down to the sides of the PIT, hell. The very same one who is chained up in Rev. 20, and cast into HELL. It is LUCIFER. It is Pharaoh. It is the Assyrian. It is the prince or king of Tyre. It is the anointed cherub. It is the son of the morning. It is the most beautiful and wisest one of God’s creation. He was a created MAN, who had been in the Garden of Eden, whom God cast out of Eden for his wickedness. It is the same one he put into the dust or ashes. Any clues yet? Anyone? | |
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| | | From: joie2 | Sent: 9/16/2008 10:53 PM |
ok, lets prove here what sky has been saying. then bring it all together. anyone with a grain of sense can see that this lady has no truth and no understanding and is BLASPHEMING God, Jesus, and the Scriptures. she said: Reply
| | | Jo, I will tell you what I think without quoting scripture for now because you ought to be able to recognise the TRUTH of scripture and its principles when I speak the TRUTH. You know the scriptures as well as I do so you know the principles in scripture are behind the scenes as it were and not always written clearly for all to understand. The secrets of God are not out in the open. They are hidden like buried treasure. God does not cast His pearls before swine or hand the TRUTH out on a platter. If you want TRUTH on a platter, what do you get? You get the head of John the Baptist and you throw it away because it disgusts you. How many people want to accept the head of John the Baptist when there is no body attached? How gruesome and horrible, frightening and disgusting is that? I will make some statements and you can please tell me whether you agree with them or not and why or why not. Lucifer is the Son of the Morning. Jesus is the bright and morning Star. Lucifer was the wisest of all of Gods creation. Jesus the wisest and most beautiful of all of Gods creation. Lucifer was a snake in the garden of Eden. Moses lifted up a snake in the wilderness. Who or what was crucified on the cross? A wicked evil snake or a perfect Son of God who set us an example to follow? Jesus is exalted above the stars of God. Jesus is LIKE the MOST HIGH. What did Jesus have to go through to get what He wanted? | | Now the above solidly poves that Sky is calling Jesus the serpent, a snake, on a tree. Now see if she denies having said this. |
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| | | From: joie2 | Sent: 9/16/2008 10:56 PM |
sky said that Jesus was the most beautiful....does the Scripture bear this out? read>>>> | For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. | | He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. | |
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| | | From: joie2 | Sent: 9/16/2008 11:48 PM |
Here is where sky said that the serpent is GOD, AND ALWAYS WILL BE GOD. It was under the, "Eat my flesh" thread: Reply
| | #8 Jo says: So now. miss sky. If you have the truth, and IF YOU UNDERSTAND about the SERPENT, Adam and satan, TAKE SCRIPTURE AND TEACH IT HERE. I WILL BE WAITING TO SEE YOUR CLEAR UP THE 'CONFUSION'.
#12 Sky says: The serpent is the LORD.
#13 Jo says ....... all you want is to destroy all truth and teach your filth, such as the serpent is the LORD. Nothing but a hardened devil could make such an ungodly statement. The only reason I am leaving your wicked statement here, is so others can see your for the real worker of Satan that you are. Jo also said on my site. "Your ranting at me does not do it, nor does it show that you have the true understanding. so now, tell me, proving it with scripture, WHO DO YOU SAY THE SERPENT IS OR WAS."
Sky says: OK, let me explain and prove it with scripture. JER 20:7 O LORD, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived: thou art stronger than I, and hast prevailed: I am in derision daily, every one mocketh me. Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew [me]. 2Cr 5:21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. John 8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 2 Thess 2:6-12 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. There you have it in very simple form that any child can understand. The LORD deceives people who dont OBEY the TRUTH and they see HIM as the devil. That is why Jesus told the hypocrites that their father was the devil. It is simply because they said JESUS was of the devil. They saw Jesus as the devil instead of as God.
The serpent IS and was and always will be GOD god who appears as a devil to hypocrites but that is all part of the strong delusion. GOD is the one who tries and tests His own children to see if they will be obedient or not. Disobedient children get confused and deluded and deceived. Obedient children know that GOD IS ALL and IN ALL including the serpent and the deceptions. All deceptions are based on a bit of TRUTH. Otherwise they would not be deceptions would they? Sin deceives people. Jesus was made that sin who deceives people. Jesus took the blame for deceiving people, even though He never sinned Himself. Jesus appears like the devil in the minds of those who sin because GOD causes them to see Jesus as the devil in order to show them their own reflection in the WORD of GOD. The serpent is the Sin. The serpent is the DECEPTION. The LORD caused the deception The deception is a result of disobedience. Deception and strong delusion is the result of rejecting the TRUTH. The WORD of GOD is like a mirror ( glass) to us in which we see our own reflection. Jam 1:23-26 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth [therein], he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed. If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion [is] vain. | | Reply
| | | Sky, How can the serpent be the LORD? Do you have scriptures to back this statement up? I have not run across this saying in my Bible. Tweety | | Me: See that Tweety disputed that rotten statement. Now sky is trying to deny that she said this. but I had not deleted it. Only deleted those things in which she is trying to black Bottf or lying about me and falsly accusing me of teaching junk which I do not teach. she has now called Jesus and God the serpent, yet she fights diligently to cover up the fact that Adam was and is the serpent. wonder why? shows which side she is really on. so she is saying that God goes on his belly, is cursed above all cattle, and eats only dust. quite a mouthful of blasphemy against the true God!!! |
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| | | From: joie2 | Sent: 9/16/2008 11:52 PM |
#8 Jo says: So now. miss sky. If you have the truth, and IF YOU UNDERSTAND about the SERPENT, Adam and satan, TAKE SCRIPTURE AND TEACH IT HERE. I WILL BE WAITING TO SEE YOUR CLEAR UP THE 'CONFUSION'.
#12 Sky says: The serpent is the LORD. | ********************************* Me: Now there it is, folks, In her own writting. sky says, THE SERPENT IS THE LORD. how many folks out there believe this big lie? where are the ones who jumped me so hotly for saying Adam is the serpent? no one much, lifts a voice against her claiming that the serpent is God, the Lord. and later, Jesus. so she white-washes Adam, and calls God, the LORD, and Jesus the serpent. I have proved you said this, miss sky.... so now what you gonna say? you denied this, you know.....hoping I had deleted it and could not prove it. but here it is, with the post # attached, to prove it. This is under the Eat my flesh, thread. |
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| | | From: joie2 | Sent: 9/17/2008 5:02 PM |
Sky, you are making up stuff, trying to do away with this truth. man says, "metaphor" is not mentioned in Scripture. It is lies of man, trying to avoid the real truth. No Scripture mentions any talking snake. This is also lies of man. Serpent does not just mean a snake. It means a wicked hypocrite MAN. Adam was NOT deceived. The word of God says so. You are trying to say that the serpent deceived Adam. Not so. He was the deceiver. He had the carnal mind. | And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. |
Many people try to take the above verse to say that Adam was not in the transgression. That is not what it says. Several scriptures refer to Adam's transgression. It is merely showing that ADAM WAS NOT DECEIVED. The woman was deceived. she did not willfully sin. Adam willfully and knowingly SINNED. Adam is that serpent. It is not a metaphor. It is actual. There is not one single scripture which says that God turned him self into any serpent. Where do you get such stuff? It is not of God. God is no hypocrite. when Jesus called the hypocrite Pharisees, SERPENTS, he was proving right there, that serpents means hypocrite MEN. They are not metaphors of anything. They ARE SERPENTS. Jesus said you are serpents. Adam is the first of this long line of SERPENTS. Jesus is not Adam. He is called first-man, Adam, showing that he was a HUMAN BEING. He is then called second-man, Adam, showing that he is still a human being, only now, glorified. Jesus was never any serpent. He was made to be sin, to take our place, as the sacrificed Lamb of God. This does NOT meant that he was a serpent. Sure God sends strong delusion, or deception, BUT ONLY TO THOSE WHO DO NOT RECEIVE A LOVE FOR HIS TRUTH. He does not deceive those who love him, as Eve did. Adam, that old serpent, deceived Eve. Adam refers to the original created man. Serpent, refers to him, after he became wicked, carnal, and rebelled against God. But it is STILL THE SAME PERSON. Just as those hypocrite Pharisees were still the same person, that their mother birthed. Being a serpent, did not change Jack from being Jack. or Adam from being Adam. it merely shows that now this person has become a wicked hypocrite, against God. Calling him a serpent did not change the fact that Adam was still adam. But he is a SERPENT, ALSO. this is not a metaphor. It is a reality. There was never any snake involved in that in Gen. 3. There never was a talking snake. There was never any snake in any tree. It is myths and lies of man. Man is the serpent. Jesus Christ did not exist before his birth, only in prophecy. Jeremiah did not exist before his birth, but only in prophecy, same with us. John did not exist before his birth, only in prophecy. Teach truth. not made up stuff. You cannot teach others by saying , yes, and no. it is, it is not. this does not teach anyone anything. if you understand truth, then teach it clearly. saying that Jesus existed before he existed is not truth. It is not clearly explaining anything. saying that Jesus was a serpent is lies of man. saying that he was made in such a way that he COULD NOT SIN, is lies of man also. He did not sin, merely because he chose to obey God all the way. do not take this credit away from Jesus. He overcame sin, in exactly the same kind of flesh, that we are in right now. He was not God. He was in a corrupitable and mortal body. He was not corrupt. but was corrupitable. big difference. |
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| | | From: joie2 | Sent: 9/18/2008 4:45 PM |
Answer these questions Joie. Why do you avoid answering my questions?[dky]
Me: I do not AVOID answering any questions. stop this kind of talk. You have most certainly avoided many of mine. I simply do not have time to sit here and sift through your writings and see if I missed something. It takes tooo much time to do one thing, on this slow computer of my daughters'. I have work to do helping her. do not think for one minute that I am afraid of anything you have to say. this is where you are deluding your own self. You must first show ME, by scripture, where ANYONE was in that serpent which Moses had in his hand. where does the Word of God say that someone was in that serpent? show me. You make up stuff. I see no Scripture saying a man, satan, or God either, was in that serpent. show me a verse saying one of them was in that serpent. |
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| | | From: joie2 | Sent: 9/18/2008 5:04 PM |
| Jo says: saying that he was made in such a way that he COULD NOT SIN, is lies of man also. He did not sin, merely because he chose to obey God all the way. do not take this credit away from Jesus. The Word says. 1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. Are you trying to tell me that the WORD is wrong Joie and that Jesus could have sinned ? Don't you believe that Jesus was born of God and had the seed of God remaining in Him? You are a fool Joie if you think Jesus could have sinned if He wanted to. He could not sin and still be obedient to the Father, That is impossible. No person who is born of God even wants to sin. They have no desire to sin. |
Me: Stop calling me a fool. That is evil. I am no fool. You are twisting this just as you twist all Scripture, due to a total lack of being able to clearly understand what you read. You 'read' things into it, which are NOT THERE. You cannot rightly divide Scripture, or what I say. I must lay it out to you on the level of a pre-schoolar. OK. Here it goes, on a baby level: I have never said the word of God is wrong. stop this foolish talk. I say YOU, SKYANGEL ARE WRONG. You do teach lies. You do not see the truth. You believe man's lies, not scripture. Jesus Christ was not born again, until his resurrection, just as we will not be born again, until we are resurrected into the image of the risen Son of God. Jesus Christ was made in all points LIKE UNTO HIS BRETHREN, HUMAN BEINGS. Why do you deny this? | For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. | | For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, | | Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee. | | And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.(this is Isa. 8) | | Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; | | And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. | | For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. | | Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. | | For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted. |
Now, Sky, stop long enough to STUDY the above verses. Learn some truth. Jesus Christ was made in all things LIKE UNTO HIS BRETHREN, HUMAN BEINGS, OF THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, A MAN. yES, Jesus Could have sinned, before his death, exactly as all of us could have. He chose to not sin. He kept his body under subjection. He was and is OUR EXAMPLE. If he had been god, not able to sin, he could not have been our perfect EXAMPLE. Jesus Christ was a human man, not a god. He was made like unto MOSES. was Moses part god? no. |
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| | | From: joie2 | Sent: 9/18/2008 5:10 PM |
I know that Jesus is God's right hand. but that does not mean that Jesus is god. No, you are the one missing out on the real glory of JEsus. You who must make him a 'god' to believe in him, worship him, and love him. His glory is his sinless, perfect life, BEING FULLY HUMAN. His glory is that he did please the Father in ALL THINGS, being our perfect EXAMPLE. He did over come sin, in a human body, tempted in all points like as we are, yet without sin. God cannot be tempted to sin. It is no real 'glory' that God does not sin. He is above sin or the desire or temptation of sin. Jesu was NOT. He overcame sin, being tempted as we are. You are the one missing the real glory. There was no glory, in his mortal life. Only that he overcame sin. The GLORY which we beheld, is Romans 1: 1-4. his RESURRECTION INTO THE IMAGE OF GOD, IS THE GLORY. |
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