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Adam; Satan : Who was Cain's father?
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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 7/16/2008 11:49 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR>  (Original Message) Sent: 4/19/2008 10:03 PM
Let's start another thread to get to this discussion.  I am going to start this with the Scriptural answer to this question.
 
All other 'answers' will be wrong and man-made lies.  This is the ONLY answer the Word of God gives to this question:
 

Ge 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.



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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/16/2008 11:52 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 4/20/2008 9:03 PM
Not pertaining to the above, but since no one has gotten into this, I will say something here.
 
As I travel about on the internet, into other religious groups, I am totally amazed at the strange doctrines I read.  People think NOTHING about just making up stuff, even though it has not one single word of Scripture backing it up.
 
and to make matters worse, the ones who post there everyday, the 'regulars'  seem to just glory in these made up doctrines and strange ideas people claim is God's truth.
 
People for ages have heard that the Pope is God, that many believe it without question.
 
So just think who many have been seduced into believing that Jesus was God.  Now I know there is much more reason to believe that Jesus was God than to say the pope is.  BUT Scripture does not teach us that Jesus was God.  NO, it says he was a man,  God's Son.
 
But that is not my point here.  millions have accepted that the pope is the anti-Christ and they never stop speculating as to which ONE of them it will end up really being the one.
 
Now some are saying that this older one must be the one, or he is just bridging the gap until the last one gets old enough.
 
Now I fully know that the popes are evil and claim to be God and all that junk.  But the thing is, not one Scripture shows that, nor does one Scripture name him and him alone as the anti-Christ.
 
And If pope is the man of sin, why just one certain one?  what about all the others, who stood and had millions of innocent souls tortured and destroyed for not worshipping him?  What about all of them?
 
why has the world accepted the delusion that only someone in our day can be that man of sin?  because they have heard it proclaimed so many times.  see, if people just keep repeating a thing enough, folks will solidly believe it and when they hear truth, they will call it of the devil.
 
Now we have innocent Christians accepting and using the false name,  Yeshuah, when speaking of our Wonderful Saviour, Jesus Christ.  Why?  Because they have heard it so much in the last few years.  They accept junk doctrines of devils, which have not one word of Scripture to back it up.
 
They think computer chips could be the mark of the beast, without one single word of Scripture saying such a thing.  why do so many believe this lie?  Because they do not believe in going strictly by GOD'S WORD.  they accept man's lies above God's word.
 
They do not study God's word for truth.  They get about and think they can learn from many opinions.  God said do not add one word to his word.  Do not take away one word......so it has to be EXACTLY as God gave it or nothing.
 
How few get to the point that they will not accept a doctrine without pure Scripture saying it.  Oh man uses some verses, and then twists it by adding his own twisted interpretation...and millions grab it and run around repeating it until it brainwashes millions more stupid souls into hell fire.
 
stupid, because they accept man's words above Gods word.
 
Where did God say Rome is built on seven natural hills, and this is the heads of the Beast?  Yet millions declare this to be the truth........and in so doing, they never seek the Word of God for the correct answers.
 
And why do people overlook that Jesus said to JERUSALEM,  You are guilty of all the righeous blood shed on this earth....and still they worship Jerusalem, and would not accept the truth that Jerusalem is Babylon for anything in this world.
Yet the very same words are said to Babylon, in Revelation.
 
See, people have not gone about repeating this truth and proclaiming it......so folks believe this is lies........but the Word of God says just this.....Jesus told the Pharisees,  sons of Adam and Abraham.....you are a generation of SERPENTS.....YET BECAUSE THIS HAS NOT BEEN PROCLAIMED AND REPEATED AND REPEATED,  THE WORLD BELIEVES THIS IS LIES.
See, they believe man's words above God's word.
 
I just spoke on the phone to a Jesus only preachers a week or two ago.  He believes the filthy lie which Willam Branham made popular.....that our precious Mother of all living.....had adultery with some animal creature, which was upright like a man, then turned into a snake......
and from this absurd false union,  Cain was born.
 
I proved to him with Scripture that Adam is that serpent and that Adam is the dad of Cain.  He said,  You have some good stuff there.
 
Then I asked him who the serpent was,  and the stupid man began reeling out the branham lie.......an animal.....upright like a man.....etc. etc.
 
I said to him,  after I just proved the truth to you,  you revert right back to that lie.....you believed that lie so much it kept you from studying the Word to find the right answser as to what they did wrong.
 
He admitted it.   said,  YES!
 
Stupid people!  clinging to lies instead of getting to the truth of God's word.
 
Why do people believe that the rest of the world of sinful man.....way back even to the other side of the flood.....did not have Anti-Christ,___and man of sin......and deceivers...and mark of beast...and man saying I am God,...worship me....
 
Now the MAN IS BECOME AS ONE OF US......I AM GOD,  SAID ADAM.....WORSHIP ME.
 
GOD SAID,  I HAVE DRIVEN HIM OUT (OF EDEN)  FOR HIS   WICKEDNESS...AND THERE WAS NOT A MAN OF SIN BEFORE OUR DAY?????
 
ONLY STUPID PEOPLE COULD FALL INTO THIS KIND OF IGNORANCE!!!
 
Jo Smith... 4/20/2002


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/16/2008 11:53 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 4/22/2008 9:11 PM
Sesible,
I see you are doing a good job on OG Forum, concerning the ONENESS.
 
Look at this: 
<NOBR>Ge 11:6</NOBR> And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

ChTatum, always takes it back to God our Lord is one.... and refuses to consider when you say, we are all ONE.

 

But look at the above verse..it clearly shows that God said all those millions who existed then   is   ONE.

 

Ask Ck, what he makes of this.

 

God bless your labour there.....first time I have even looked at it in a very long time.  see they have moved it.  Wonder why?


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/16/2008 11:53 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 4/22/2008 9:14 PM
And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one....
 
See,. that is the very same kind of speech as when it said,  The Lord our God IS ONE.  See?
They do not have a sure foundation, no matter what they come up with.
 
No Jesus-only person could deal with the above verse and put it with the one they use to say God is one.....for God himself said,  the people IS  ONE.
 
See that singular verb,  IS?...not  ARE.     IS singular verb.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/16/2008 11:54 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN Nickname®Larry_W_B_1©</NOBR> Sent: 4/23/2008 5:28 AM
Thanks Joie, I posted the question to Chuckie. We had over 425 views on the discussion.
 
I thought that was good what the Lord gave me, about Adam, that it was not good that he be alone.
 
Also, did you see that Chuckie did not even say anything, but just came in with a few smart remarks as usual. He told me on another thread that he would not get into it because he knew that I knew he was a Jesus only.
 
        
Chtatum
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 Posted April 19th, 2008 11:40 AM   IP             
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sesible wrote:
Chtatum,may I ask you?

~~ In The Beginning ~~
In the beginning - of what? Of God? Are you saying God had a beginning?

Ah, sesible, we have been down this road before. You are aware that I believe Jesus was God manifested in the flesh.

Falcon has done a great job in posting the answers you seek.

Chtatum
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Posts: 6096
Registered: Sep 2002
 Posted April 19th, 2008 12:10 PM               
Brother, you can answer for me anytime!

We went round and round on this way back on the forum with sesible many months ago.


 
             

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/16/2008 11:55 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 4/23/2008 7:30 PM
I warn you all about something very important.  All of this stuff about having to study Hebrew to know what the Word of God says is a big, hideous trick of Satan to keep you from ever having true faith in the Word of God, as God gave it to US.
 
I have seen that everyone, almost everyone, when confronted with things which do not fit their ideas of doctrine, which has been handed down to them, then instead of seeking to learn the real truth, they jump on this thing about the words in the KJV do not have the same meaning they once did.......
 
or it did not mean that in the original language...  (how do they know?)
 
and it was translated wrong,  it had this or that meaning, which is different from what our Bible says,  ...meaning you CANNOT TRUST THE WORD OF GOD, WHICH GOD GAVE US.
 
If you fall into this snare of the devil, Satan,  you will end up calling God a lie and so confused you will never see LIGHT, or come to TRUTH, WHICH SETS MEN FREE.
 
It has truly become a SICKNESS in this world.  It is foolishness of the worst sort. Satan is using this trick to carry away  the entire race of humans on this earth today.
 
I have truly gotten sick of hearing this lie and seeing almost everyone jumping on this band-wagon.
 
Then there is that other ugly, hideous, soul-damning lie....that Jesus Christ cannot be trusted...that he is a greek idol, that the name is not true and some junkie name, which some 'hebrew-mad' person made up......yeshuah.... is the right name.
 
It cannot be, because it is not a Scriptural word.  It is not once named in Scripture......hence the need to discard our Scripture and pretend we know original hebrew and jesus is not in hebrew but this satanic name, yeshuaw is.
 
If it is a true name, why dozens of spellings?  It is lies of Satan to take you away from the truth and the pure FAITH which is the only thing which can save your soul.
 
If you are willing to risk your salvation, changing God's word, and accepting what some carnal man says is the right hebrew translation, then go to it.
 
But frankly I fully believe that God already gave us the right translation, used holy men and anointed them,  those who truly did know the Hebrew language, and thru, being true Christains, gave us the same pure word or God which God had with him in the beginnning.
 
Now all of you who listen to this junk, go ahead.  But as for me,  I am staying with the KJV, which God has greatly anointed to me in my life.
 
Jo Smith


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/16/2008 11:56 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameTweety134</NOBR> Sent: 4/23/2008 7:44 PM
Freeborn,
I know that this so called name for the Messiah that people have said is Yesuwah is not a name that is found in the Bible. It is some "new age" name that man has created. See how man tries to re-name Jesus? Because they think they are GOD. It is nothing more than like the scientist trying to prove that GOD does not exist. There are many people out there that will fall into this trap. And they have dammed their own souls to hell. Please remember that each indivual is resposiable for their own salvation. If a person does not accept the only true way to salvation is by renaming Jesus and probably God Himself, just shows you that the devil is still has power over many of this earth. I pray that all that are blinded by these false things, will seek the true GOD out before they die, and repent and follow Jesus just like he taught us to do in the KJV.  Be Blessed.  Tweety

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Me?  Very good answer, Tweety.


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/16/2008 11:56 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN Nickname®Larry_W_B_1©</NOBR> Sent: 4/23/2008 11:27 PM
Joie, I have also found out that if you ask a question that they don't want to deal with they resort to the Hebrew meaning of a word to throw people off track and make the people think they are so smart. it has become a pain in the ...  
 
Also thanks for the above. I wrote some of that on the forum to Chuckie. I know tomorrow will be a busy day for you and Wanna but if you get a chance look at it.
 
Also yall have a great trip and God Bless. 

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/16/2008 11:57 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 4/24/2008 9:00 AM
And I thank you, Larry and Tweety, for your good work for the Lord.  It is a good work which you are both doing, warning people about these evils.
 
I will take a look.  I looked yesterday and saw that he has avoided an answer again.  He is a slick, snake, in sheep skin.  lol
But he will not hide his willful rejection of truth from God.
 
Tweety studies the Word daily and is learning by leaps and bounds.  That is so great to see.  She has such a good spirit.  When a person can accept correction, I see a true child of God.  So few will accept even one word without blowing up and running off.
 
Tweety does not run.  Neither does Larry.  Thank God for you both.
 
Tweety, I wish to tell you to study my answers to Chris, on the, Who is Babylon, thread.  See all that glorious truth which as been brought out simply by answering his stuff.  That is why, even though he is teaching false stuff, it is good to have him here, because it gives us a chance to teach these truths, which we might not have gone into, otherwise.
 
The only ones I have banned was because they kept telling lies and would not stop, when I begged them to do so.  At least chris is not telling lies against us, even though he does say things which are not true, it is not accusing us of saying things which we did not say.
 
I know you can rejoin our discussion now and go to it with only Scripture.  You and Larry will have to carry on now, for the next two weeks.  Today will by my last day on board, for two more weeks.
 
Hope you all teach some good word while I am gone.  I removed that new member who put on two dating sites yesterday.  Was waiting for them to make their move.  I will not put up with that.
 
Love ye all,
Jo

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/16/2008 11:59 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 4/24/2008 9:06 AM
Larry, I just looked at it.  Boy, that chuckie is a trip.  ha.  he has avoided the question like it was the plague.  It seems to me like people doing that should realize in their own selves, that they must have something wrong, to have to avoid a Scripture question that way.
 
I bet he wishes you would just 'go away' as I did.  haha.

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 4/24/2008 6:17 PM
Larry, ask him where Peter or Paul ever said that Jesus is God in flesh.
 
Bye for now.  gotta get some sleep, to rise up early in the morning.  We will be traveling six hours into the next day, so must prepare for this time change.
 
bye, and always keep us in your prayers and love.
 
Jo

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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 5/10/2008 10:21 AM
Well, I traveled yesterday for over 24 hours and feel numb right now, so I will go back to bed for while and try to get over the 'traverlers' sag.
 
Thanks to you all, for keeping the board alive and glowing for Jesus.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/17/2008 12:01 AM
Does anyone yet wish to discuss my question, at the start of this thread?
 
No?  None of you have any friends you can get to come in here and debate this issue with me?  Sure wish you would try.
 
I want someone to try to disprove this truth.  I truly want them to do it.  Looks to me like some of those who teach the filthy serpent-seed doctrine would come in here and defend their lies!!  But of couse I know they will not,  BECAUSE THEY CANNOT.
 
No Scripture for it!!
 
 

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From: DoveySent: 7/21/2008 2:07 AM
Yes. Serpent Seed Doctrine has to be one of the most horrible and scary things I have ever heard of in my life.
 
It's ashame. I think this type of teaching is popular among racist people. 
 
DOVEY

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/21/2008 2:23 AM
I do not think racism has anything to do with this.  I know some people like to claim this,  but I have not found it to be tied to racism. 
 
I know this man, Chris, seems to have that racism really bad, but I do not think this is the real reason for the serpent seed teaching.  It is truly a work of the devil to cast a snare upon the daughters of God.
 
It is truly more of  a continuing HATE thing toward women, which began with that original serpent, Adam.
 
JO

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From: MSN NicknameTweety134Sent: 7/21/2008 2:39 AM

Serpent seed

Serpent seed is a controversial doctrinal teaching that the serpent in the Garden of Eden had sexual intercourse with Eve, and that Cain was the offspring of the union. Major proponents include Daniel Parker (1781-1844),[1] William M. Branham (1909-1967)[2] and Arnold Murray.[3]

According to Rabbi David Max Eichhorn, a similar doctrine has been taught for thousands of years in Judaism, in midrashic texts and in the Kabbalistic Zohar of the 13th century CE.

This same idea also appears in the teachings recorded by the Manichaeans.[citation needed]

Serpent Seed is widely held to be a false doctrine by mainstream Protestant denominations.[4][5] Catholic theologians agree and point to the fact that the Bible states that the original sin is that of Adam and Eve eating the physical forbidden fruit.[6]

Serpent Seed, as it is now called among Christians, has been taught for several thousand years among certain sects of Judaism[7], appearing for example in the 9th century work Pirke De-Rabbi Eliezer. In modern times, it is a highly controversial doctrine followed mainly by Kabbalists.

Rabbi David Max Eichhorn, in his book Cain: Son of the Serpent, traces the idea back through early Jewish Midrashic texts and identifies hundreds of Rabbis who taught that Cain was the son of the union between the serpent and Eve. [8]

Kabbalist Rabbis also commonly believe that both Cain and Abel are both of a different genetic background than Seth. This known among Kabbalists as "The Theory of Origins".[9] The theory teaches that God created two "Adams"(Adamah means MAN in Hebrew). To one he gave a soul and to the other he did not give a soul. The one without a soul is the creature known in Christianity as the serpent. The Kabbalists call the serpent Nahash (nahash means serpent in Hebrew). This is recorded in the Zohar:

"Two beings [Adam and Nachash] had intercourse with Eve, and she conceived from both and bore two children. Each followed one of the male parents, and their spirits parted, one to this side and one to the other, and similarly their characters. On the side of Cain are all the haunts of the evil species; from the side of Abel comes a more merciful class, yet not wholly beneficial -- good wine mixed with bad."(Zohar 136)

This passage is the basis for all Kabbalist belief in a serpent seed type doctrine. Kabbalists believe that Eve was a female serpent and also without a soul, so that Abel was half pure and Cain was entirely impure. This varies with the Christian version in which Eve does have a soul and is not a serpent.

[edit] In Christianity

In The Scofield Study Bible Scofield says, "The serpent, in his Edenic form, is not to be thought of as a writhing reptile. That is the effect of the curse (Gen. 3:14). The creature which lent itself to Satan may well have been the most beautiful as it was the most "subtle" of creatures less than man".[10] Scofield's notes are silent as to the idea of Cain being the serpent's seed, however in Genesis 6:2 his notes claimed that while it was an "error" to believe that the offspring mentioned were the product of supernatural unions, it was instead the intermarriage of the "godly line of Seth" with the "godless line of Cain" being referred to.[11] Advocates suggest that modern Christian translations of the Old Testament reduce emphasis on this concept, which they believe indicated the serpent had been an upright, human-like creature.

The foundational scripture for the serpent's seed doctrine appears in Genesis 3:15, which in the King James Version states "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." Advocates interpret this literally to mean that an offspring of the Serpent via Eve would eventually lose in a mortal conflict with one of "her seed". Eve's son by Adam would have presumably been called "Adam's seed" so it has been suggested, since a woman does not naturally produce seed, that "her seed" is the first prophesy of an eventual human messiah produced by means of a virgin birth. Adherents believe this sets up the serpent's seed as a antitype to Jesus Christ.


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From: MSN NicknameTweety134Sent: 7/21/2008 2:40 AM

Advocates also point out that in Genesis 4:1-2 it is mentioned only once that Adam "knew" his wife, yet twice it is mentioned that she "bare" sons (see, heteropaternal superfecundation). Advocates also believe an unmentioned act of infidelity is implied by reproductive and marital curses placed on Eve in Genesis 3:16, that otherwise seem inappropriate to merely eating a forbidden fruit. St. Paul seems to suggest as much in 2 Corinthians 11:2-3, where he may have implied that Eve was not a chaste virgin at the time Adam first had relations with her: "For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted..."

In the New Testament epistle of 1 John, ch. 3 v. xii it also states, "Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother." John also recorded in his gospel (8:44) that Christ said, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him." These passages, if taken literally as by advocates, seem to suggest that the New Testament writers believed that Cain, the first murderer, was indeed the serpent's seed.

The doctrine that Eve mated with the serpent, or with Satan, to produce Cain, has been taught in various forms for thousands of years, and finds its earliest expression in Gnostic writings (eg., the Gospel of Philip) and especially in Manichaean doctrines; however, it was soundly rejected by mainstream Christian theologians such as Irenaeus (Adv. hær. I.30) in the second century, and St. Augustine in the 4th century.

More recent variants are central to the beliefs of Two-Seed-in-the-Spirit Predestinarian Baptists founded by Daniel Parker. Other variations occur in the Christian Identity movement. Some of these groups appear to use the doctrine as a rationalization for racist beliefs. One of the largest, but non-denominational, groups that believe in a form of the serpent seed doctrine are the followers of Branhamism who are documented to number over 300,000.

[edit] The Doctrine

The doctrine of the Serpent's Seed is followed by several minor Christian groups, the followers of Branhamism, Two-Seed-in-the-Spirit Predestinarian Baptists, and the Christian Identity Movement among others. There are variations and differences between these groups but the basic belief is that the Original Sin was an act of sexual intercourse between Adam and Eve and, prior to that act, Eve was sexually seduced by the serpent and committed sexual intercourse with the serpent. Further, that Cain was conceived by the act with the serpent and Able by the act with Adam.

The main variations are on the after effects of the act. Some proponents believe that the serpent was Satan himself.[12] Others believe that the serpent was an animal being influenced by Satan.[13] Another key difference is in the descendants of Cain. Some believe that the two lines remained separate and eventually Cain's descendants where all destroyed,[14] others believe that Cain's descendants became completely mixed with the descendants of Adam (meaning everyone has a piece of the genetics of the serpent),[15] and still others believe that the two lines remain separate to this day.[16] Finally others disagree whether sex itself was the original sin[17] or if the original sin was sex for pleasure rather than sex for reproduction.[18]

The following points and scriptures are largely agreed upon by all proponents to be the basis of the Serpent Seed Doctrine although variations do occur as mentioned above.

  • The Two Trees. The starting point of the discussion is usually on the two trees, the Tree of Life and the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Gen 2:10 Proponents note the difference between the "trees that grow out the ground" as opposed to "the trees in the midst of the garden". This is used to indicate the two trees are not physical trees but principles (e.g. ideas, rules).[19][20] They also point to Rev 2:7 and Rev 22:2 where the Tree of Life is now in heaven to show that two trees are not the same kind of trees that grow on Earth but instead are something spiritual. Furthermore they point out that since man was given the tree of knowledge by their choice it should still be visible somewhere in the world today, which they claim is the overt sexuality of society.
  • The Serpent. Gen 3 The serpent in it original form was not a snake but a creature capable of speech, it's curse is what turned it into a snake. The only creature capable of intelligent speech is a human form, this is used by some proponents to support their claim that the serpent was an upright human-like creature.[21] Some proponents claim the serpent was intended to be used for manual labor and therefore was made to look like a man but was not given a soul.[22] The chapter states that the serpent "beguiled" Eve. In Early Modern English this word literally meant to sexually seduce.[23]
  • Sex. In the bible sex was not called sex in any of Moses's writings. It was always referred to in cryptic ways such as "knowing". This is used as evidence that the trees and the fruit where just another cryptic way to describe sex.
  • The Punishment. Gen 3 Proponents also point to the punishment to show that the act was sexual. When Adam and Eve sinned they covered their genitals, not their mouths, indicating they sinned not with their mouths but with their genitals. The punishment God put on them affected sexual reproduction, He caused the woman to have more frequent menstrual cycles, to have increased pain in child birth, and to cause enmity between the descendants of Adam and the descendants of the serpent. (Cain killed Abel)[24]
  • The Birth. 4. When the birth of Cain occurred Eve said "I am given a MAN from the Lord", throughout the rest of the pre-flood chapters Adam's descendants are call "The Sons of God", not "MEN". The descendants of Cain are, however, referred to as "MEN". Nothing is mentioned about Abel's birth. Proponents claim this is meant to show a difference between the two offspring. Eve was also called "The Mother of all Living" but Adam was never called the Father of all living.
  • The Offspring. Gen 4. Cain and Abel were of different occupational backgrounds. Abel tended the flocks and Cain tilled the ground. Proponents claim these traits were inherited from their fathers; Adam was to rule over the animals and the serpent was intended to tend the Garden of Eden. Another difference between them was that Abel, being of pure birth, knew how to give a proper sacrifice to God. Cain, not being pure, did not know how to give a proper sacrifice, he only knew he needed to give one, indicating he was only inherited a portion of the knowledge that Abel had inherited. His impurity was also displayed by his jealousy and murder of Abel, some proponents argue that these are not traits God would have created in Adam and Eve and could not have been inherited from them.
  • The Two Lines of Descent. Gen 5, Gen 4.Some proponents show that because the two lines of descent are recorded separately it indicates they were somehow different. It notes how the developments in Cain's sides were all negative (e.g. murder, theft, adultery, etc) But in Adam's line nothing is mentioned of anything evil. The two lines are also mentioned differently, Adams line being called "The Sons of God" and Cain's line being called "Men". The descendants of Adam alway had "Sons and daughters" while Cains descendants sometimes had all daughters or all sons, this also indicates a genetic difference. (This is also used to indicate that Noah was not of pure birth) Then ultimately the two lines intermarry, "the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them", and God then destroyed the world with a flood.[25]
  • Christ. Ultimately this leads to Jesus who was born of a virgin birth. Proponents point to the fact that all humanity was impure and therefore incapable of "breeding" a "pure" Son of God as the reason Christ had to be born of a virgin birth. Many proponents claim that Christ was born in the same state that Adam was created, perfect and without sin. They claim he had to be created by God in order for him to be pure and to be the "perfect sacrifice".[26][27][28]

[edit] William Branham's teachings

William Branham was not the first to preach the doctrine of serpent seed, but he was one of the major proponents of the doctrine in modern times. Branham was the most widely known minister of the 20th century to actually teach serpent seed and much of its spread can be attributed to him. William Branham taught that the fall of mankind resulted from Eve having sexual intercourse with an upright Beast whom Adam had named 'Serpent'.[29]

Because of his wide acclaim in the late 1940s and throughout the 1950s, Branham was widely followed in Charismatic and Pentecostal movements and to a lesser degree by Methodists and Baptists. His meetings, held all over the world, were attended by hundreds of thousands of people which gave him a very large audience. This popularity and influence gave him the best platform of all adherents of the serpent seed doctrine to spread it to the masses. Although he did not regularly espouse the doctrine in front of his largest audiences his belief in the doctrine was not kept secret and he did preach several sermons on it in smaller meetings.

Branham was well aware of the potential connections of the doctrine to racism but he tried to show that his belief was not racially targeted. ("He Cares, Do You Care?", 21 July 1963). He tried to show that although he believed the doctrine he did not think it was a basis for racism.

[edit] Is Serpent Seed a Heresy?

Most Christians and Jews do not believe the serpent seed doctrine based on Genesis 4:1 which states "And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bore Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD,".

The Roman Catholic Church[30] and the Eastern Orthodox Church, the oldest communions, have never officially recognized the doctrine of serpent seed. Throughout history only fringe elements of Christianity have believed the doctrine of Serpent Seed. The creeds of Catholic Church make it very clear the original sin was the eating of a physical fruit, usually depicted as an apple. Teaching of serpent seed has been explicitly banned in both the Methodist and Baptist Christian Denominations.

Critics also point to Genesis 4:1 as denying that Cain was of the serpent because Eve states that Cain was "from the Lord".

[edit] In fiction

The belief has turned up in some works of fiction, such as The Illuminatus! Trilogy. In it, a character mentions in a memo pertaining to unusual conspiracy theories: The detective who discovers the memo doesn't believe that conspiracy, but instead believes there is a conspiracy of "[f]eeding him balderdash like that stuff about the Illuminati coming from the planet Vulcan or being descended from Eve and the Serpent."


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