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Is Water Baptism necessary

Some are contending that Spirit Baptism and Water Baptism are one and the same thing, therefore water Baptism is not to be done. I am going to show you positive proof from the Word of God that this is NOT true. Now you can reject God's Word and go your way if you choose, but you will pay the price for doing so.

Acts 10: 30. And Cornelius said, Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing,
31. And said, Cornelius, thy prayer is heard, and thine alms are had in remembrance in the sight of God.
32. Send therefore to Joppa, and call hither Simon, whose surname is Peter; he is lodged in the house of one Simon a tanner by the sea side: who, when he cometh, shall speak unto thee.

33. Immediately therefore I sent to thee; and thou hast well done that thou art come. Now therefore are we all here present before God, to hear all things that are commanded thee of God.

34. Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35. But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
36. The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)
37. That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;

38. How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
39. And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
40. Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
41. Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.

42. And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
43. To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

44. While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

47. Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48. And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Now, read that carefully. These Gentiles had already received the Baptism of the Holy Ghost (spirit baptism) -- - they had the very same evidence as the Jews --- that of speaking in tongues.

You must call the Book of Acts a lie to deny this.

But look - after they had received the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, Peter COMMANDED them to be Baptized in WATER in the Name of Jesus Christ.

God has fixed it in His Word so that every 'question' is covered: every truth is covered; there is no excuse for anyone to miss truth. God will judge all who set themselves up above God to say different than what God said in His Word.

If Water Baptism is NOT a necessary part of Salvation, Peter would not have said, Can any forbid WATER that these should NOT be Baptized which HAVE RECEIVED THE HOLY GHOST AS WELL AS WE.

See, they had already received the Holy Ghost ; but still needed to be Baptized in Water in the Name of Jesus Christ. There is just no excuse for anyone to not see this. There will be no excuse for not obeying it on the judgment day. You will not be excused.

You are doing the same thing Peter warned against = denying WATER for those who have received the Holy Ghost or need to receive it to be Baptized in WATER in the Name of Jesus Christ.

I ask all of you -- why did not Peter say be baptized in the Name of the Father, the son, and the Holy ghost? Why? You need to find the answer.

By: Jo Smith

Do you have scriptural backing for that statement you just made? Tweety

Tweety if water baptism was necessary, certainly Peter and Paul would have said so.

Furthermore if anyone besides Jews were to be baptize, John would have called on them to also be baptize, he didn't for only the Jews were under the LAW, not the Gentiles.

That is why after the death, burial and Resurrection of the Messiah, there was never a Jew or Gentile, we were all reconcile into one with the Messiah as it was in the beginning.

Eric, you are preaching lies. Baptism was not given under law. It was given to remit sins, everyone's sins, not just jews sins. Everyone has sinned, everyone needs to be saved. There is only one way.

You have not one word of Scripture for this false teaching.

Jo I do not preach lies. Everything that happen before the death, burial and resurrection of the Messiah, is under the Law ! Furthermore you have no scripture that says the Gentile was invited to be baptize by John, only Jews, including the Messiah.

It is true that everyone needs to be baptize, but not in water, today is a spiritual immersion into the truth and the NAME OF OUR FATHER, that is common truth. You know I do not lie !!!!!!!!!!

Eric, read the Book of Salvation = ACTS.

Gentiles were commanded to be water baptized, in the name of Jesus, by PETER.

People were baptized in water, in the name of the Lord- by Paul, Acts 19.

Gentiles baptized in name of Jesus, in water, by Phillip, Acts 8.

How many times me told u this?

Sweet Jo, please read carefully, out of the names you say baptize in water, only Philip is true. The rest baptized in the name, which Satan has deceived folks about until today, for the true name brings the fire and is of the most high spiritually. NO WATER EXCEPT FOR WASHING, IN THIS AGE OF GRACE.

I'z hungry, whats youse got fer me ?

I have the TRUTH to feed you, Eric.

You had best read Acts 10. Peter commanded people who had already received the Spirit baptism, to go be WATER BAPTIZED in the name of the Lord. (this is the full plan of salvation, or entering into the second heaven/earth.)

You are rejecting the second heaven/earth. study our thread on Isa. 65. If you continue to reject the second spirit level, you will not enter into the third level, which is immortality.

That would just be too bad. Nothing on earth is worth loosing out on this for.

Only those who never heard and rejected this preaching of the true way of Salvation, and entered into this second heaven/earth, will be given the chance to enter into the third.

If you continue to reject and deny this plan of salvation, you will not be allowed to come into the second heaven during the reign of those in the third heaven.

The word of God is very clear that we must be baptized as part of our salvation. Jesus said he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. so how can we discount this part of salvation?

do you all believe babies should be baptized? i was baptized as a child, does this count? but not as a baby. i chose to do it.

do you all believe babies should be baptized? there are many beliefs on this, but i donot see where the apostles baptized a baby. surely if we need to be baptized as a baby, they surely would have mentioned it, so, no, i don't believe a baby should be baptized. what is baptism for? it is for the remisssion of sin. has that baby sinned? surely not and he or she is not borned in sin as was said on another thread. i agree with rollingstone, it should be by choice

Babies should not be baptized in water or any religious building. They are not born in sin, this is the age of GRACE.

Thanks for your good answers. I am glad to get this straight. I think you are right. No, it does not say to baptize babies. I read some other religions book other day, and it was showing baptizing babies. I just do not think that is a right thing to do.

glad you folks here knows these answers.

The truth about baptism is of utmost importance. Most religions discard baptism as of no real value. But according to all Scripture, Baptism, right baptism, is necessary for salvation.

People, you best forget all your 'church' doctrine, and get into the truth of God's Word.

He will judge you by his Word, not your church, or preacher.

Adding words to Scripture is where people go wrong and come up with false teachings. If We cannot believe and accept the Word of God just as God has given it to us, we are setting ourselves above God.

No where in Scripture are we told that we must consider past cultures, their language, practices or anything else in order to receive the true revelation of Scripture.

a great mystery is that ALL scripture is and was and always shall be exactly right for the people reading it at any given time. It is God. It is his life. It is not subject to nor dependant upon what any certain people did, said, thought or had.

So we must take the Word of God exactly as it is worded, without adding to it (even one word changes it) or taking away from it. This is of the utmost importance for everyone to learn and accept and come to. Else you will forever believe lies.

Now, when the Word says we are saved through faith, grace, and not works, this works is speaking of the works of the law under Moses.

Christian Baptism is NOT WORKS. It is obedience to what God requires of us. It is not of the law. As Don said, it is not OT doings. Sure God 'baptized' the world with that flood. But the question is WHY?

It shows the cleansing which comes first.

Now if you assert, as bill does, that belief alone saves, then the devil is saved. The Word says that he believes in one God and trembles. So this saves him~!???

You will never find that he repented though. and you will never find that he was baptized for the remission of his sins. so his sins remain, in spite of his belief.

If God chose water baptism in His Son's name, to remit our sins, you had better let it alone. Stop trying to take people into your darkness of false teaching.

No one is claiming that it does not take the blood of Jesus. But that blood is not applied to people just from believing. It takes that baptism into his death = water baptism.

Go back and read it. It did NOT say, this is only a symbol. People added that to change it to suit themselves.

Go back and read the REST of Acts 16. Paul did not stop talking to the jailor after he said to believe. It said that he spoke unto him the word of the Lord. You claim that he did not mention baptism. He had to have, else the man and his family would not have known to go out after midnight and be baptized!

Why do you think Peter commanded Cornelius and his family to be water baptized in the name of Jesus after they had already received the Holy Ghost? Because it takes them together to baptize one into Christ. It is never separated in Scripture as modern folks, who do not like it the way God gave it, do.

Those believers in Acts 19 were told to be rebaptized. why? If it has nothing to do with salvation, why was not John's baptism all they needed?

You just are not accepting the word. Just because it is not mentioned everytime in Scripture, does not mean it is not God's only chosen way. God said he establishes every word in only two or three witnesses.

Baptism as a necessary part of salvation is confirmed and established in more than three times. That is all it takes.

You cannot say with exclusion, just because Belief is mentioned without baptism in a few places, that this does away with the absolute necessity of baptism.

When you deny what Paul stated, that Ananias told him to do to wash away his sins, arise and be baptized, washing away they sins, you are asserting that you know more than they did and you are denying this part of Scripture.

I say you are not on safe grounds.

Here is another good message on Baptism.

Everyone should get into this board and study. Eternal life depends on doing it GOD'S WAY.

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