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| How did the apostles baptize? Acts-2:38- Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 008:012 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. 008:016 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) 010:048 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days. 019:005 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 1Cor. 1:13--Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? v14--I thank God that I baptized none of you, BUT Crispus and Gaius; v15-Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. v16--And I baptized ALSO the household of Stephanas; besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. Paul's ministry was not primarily baptizing; but he DID BAPTIZE A FEW PEOPLE. There were others whose work was to do the baptizing. Each one had a different work to do in the body. But to say they did not baptize is in error. The word Baptize is not even in the O.T. So it is exclusively a N.T work. HOw do you say it was abolished with the work of John the Baptist? Paul plainly told the believers in Acts 19, who had been baptized by John to be re-baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. How do you get around this? You do greatly err, not knowing the Scripture of the power of God. Acts 002:038 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost 002:039 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call 002:040 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. 002:041 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls Now here was 3,000 people ready to be baptized, after they heard Peter preach this great message. Now I know the Bible does not say that the apostles baptized them, but do you think any body else did besides the apostles? If they did not baptized them, what do you think the people thought of them, and also what would have been their excuse for not baptizing them? Seems to me we have got to rightly divide the word. Peter preach this great message and he also along with the rest of the apostles did the baptizing and I praise the Lord that I have obeyed this message, and gladly received it and was baptized in the name of Jesus, and spoke in tongues when the HOLY GHOST came and I am going to keep on proclaiming this message. To me this had to be the greatest message besides Jesus Christ and him crucified, this message was so powerful that 3,000 were added to the church. There were 3,000 that gladly received when today it is hard to find one that will receive this word. No wonder Jesus asked the question, when I return will I find faith on earth? Acts:016:025 And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them. 016:026 And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed. 016:027 And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled. 016:028 But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here. 016:029 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, 016:030 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 016:031 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. 016:032 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house. 016:033 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway. Now in all honesty, why did this jailor and all his family be baptized that very night? They had asked how to be saved ~~~~~ if Baptism is not part of the plan of salvation ~~~~~~~~ if Paul did not tell him this~~~~~ how did he know to be Baptized that very night?~~~~~~~~ Why was it so important?~~~~ Who Baptized them??~~Yet, now some are saying Baptism is NOT for souls today????? My, My. Because they received not a LOVE for the TRUTH, God shall send them strong delusion; that they sould believe a lie and be damned. Seems to me most people are under the delusion. Acts16:29- Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas 016:033 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway Now what I would like to know who was the he was talking about here? Good question simple answer. This had to be talking about Paul, he was the one doing the baptizing. See it was Paul who Baptized this man and his family. So, it proves that when this man asked Paul how to be saved, that Paul included Baptism as part of the plan of salvation; else, why did he and his whole family go out after midnight and be baptized? Boy, this crowd today saying baptism is of no real importance must have a hard time dealing with this; if they ever read it. I thought of this last night~~~~~ this man must be the Stephanas which Paul spoke of in 1Cor. when he said he baptized only a Crispus and Gaius and also the household of Stephanas. This would have to be the family of Stephanas~~ this jailor. How bout that? See how the Scripture explains itself? Isn't it beautiful? Yes!!!!! So glad God showed me the truth. I do not frustrate the Grace of God. I accept the Word just as he shows it; No trying to get around the way God chose to do things. See, also that Paul and Peter were in perfect agreement on doctrine~~~~~ I know some idot preachers who say Paul and Peter disagreed~~~~~~such foolishness. Both were His Apostles; so they had to have the same understanding. See, when People asked Peter how to be saved, he told them the very same thing; believe, repent, be Baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remissions of sins; receive the Baptism of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues. Yes, they told it the very same way. See this was the household of Stephanas that Paul said that he had baptized. That is why I keep telling these people that they have got to rightly divide the word and to have some understanding about the word.Once again why would anyone think that the apostles did not baptize,and yet they all preach the same message. that baptism in Jesus name was neccesary in the plan of salvation? We know from scripture that they linked baptism with salvation. Acts 004:012 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is no other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. 006:001- Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 006:002- Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. ( in other words we should not have to keep on telling that baptism is necessary and all this other because that is the principals and the doctrines of Christ. This is what the NT. church was founded on.) 006:003 - And this will we do, if God permit. 006:004 -- For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 006:005 - And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 006:006 - If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. 006:007 - For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: 006:008 - But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned. 006:009 - But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak. 006:010 - For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister. See why we are working and laboring among you about baptism in Jesus name, it' not because we are trying to be smart or that we are trying to prove anything. It's because baptism is necessary, and also that we love the name of Jesus, a name above every other name, and also because we love you.) MAY THE LORD BLESS. 008:030 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? 008:031 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. ( see that is what we have been trying to do is to guide) 008:032 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth: 008:033 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth. 008:034 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man? 008:035 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. 008 :036 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? (we can see from this that even thou there was nothing said about baptism in the scriptures we know from what the enuch said that Philip preached baptism to him. He ssid here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?) 008:037 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.( Look at this what a revelation that the eunuch got from the preaching. The same revelation that Peter had, that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, a revelation that so many today does not have. So we can also see from this that Philip was teaching the same thing that Peter was teaching, BAPTISM,and also that Jesus was the son of God) Enough truth has been taught right here alone to save the world if they would obey. I find that they have all substituted a false way of salvation and are in open defiance of the Living God. If God set Baptism in the name of His Son to be the means for the remission of sins, who thinks they can detour this way and make unto themselves another way and still be accepted by God? Just doesn't make sense to me how so many think they can defy God and His chosen way of salvation and still make it in. But of course the answer lies with the condition of the last, or Laodecian church. Notice that this church is said to be naked, blind, miserable, lukewarm [which God hates]-- wretched, and spewed out of God's mouth. It is very evident from the attitude and beliefs of most people we talk to that they are in this Laodecian church. They have been sent a strong delusion from God; because they did not receive a LOVE for the truth. This is very clear to me. For they do resist the truth so clearly proven by Scripture after Scripture. This which you and I are saying is NOT man's thought's; it is not some old past history of some 'church father''s words. NO, this is the pure Word of God; not adding to it; not taking away from it. So for someone to resist this and call it wrong, is to be absolutely calling God himself a LIE. Either this Word is God's word or we have no Word of God. And if it is God's Word, then they are calling God a LIE. For it is evident that they still cling to their 'church's belief's in spite of pure Scripture proving the right way of salvation. This is not up for debate; it is the Word of God. God did not debate His Word. If we were speaking something we 'just believe' then it would be debateable; but we are quoting the Word of God. That is not debateable. You either accept it by faith or you renounce it and Call God a lie. Right here is where you can see the ones who have the anointing teaching them; and those who do not. Unless one has a true revelation in the Word of God from the Holy Ghost, he will never see the truth of this matter of baptism. Even those who practice baptizm in the Name of the Lord Jesus, do it for a wrong reason. They do not know why it is this way; they are in error, denying the Father and the Holy Ghost as separate beings from Jesus. See, none of these people have this true revelation. Not the trinity people; and not the Jesus only people; they are ALL in error. God will prove it and judge them for this refusal of His revealed truth. Jesus is the ONLY one who has authority to pronounce or invoke the power of the Father by using His name. We are not given that place; it is only Jesus who is said to be under the Headship of the Father. Only Jesus. Even our prayers must be in the name of Jesus. You cannot go to the Father except through Jesus. All the rest of us ADAMS are under the Headship of Jesus; that is as high as we can rightly go. We cannot go directly to the Father; we must go through Jesus. That is why we must baptize as the Apostles did: in the NAME OF JESUS CHIRST. Many people boast and think they are an authority on truth; but when you find that they do not have this true revelation, you know they are still in darkness and know not where they are going. | | | |
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Baptism, the Pure Water If You 'see' NATURAL water; as just natural water, then your NATURAL, fleshly mind tells you this water is natural - it could NOT POSSIBLY be Pure Water- it could not possibly have any power to wash away sins-- It could not possibly wash our bodies with Pure Water --- for it is natural water-- our bodies are natural bodies -- So now I ask you, all this 'natural' stuff in YOUR mind has blocked your natural mind from seeing this in the Spiritual. See? It is solid truth. Your natural, fleshly mind tells you this natural water cannot be pure water; it cannot wash our bodies Spiritually; it cannot remit our sins/ Now admit, this is how most of you are thinking about all of this. BUT, the truth is this: God's own word, saying be water baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins -- His word SANCTIFIES that water - thereby making it HOLY, PURE WATER. See, It is Spiritual; not natural. If you see it as natural, it is because your mind is natural and fleshly. See, I see it as spiritual; so my mind is spiritual. I know God's own Word sanctifies that water and causes the act to do what He said it would do - which is REMIT SINS. His own word, being believed and said at the Baptism - causes that water to be the pure water He requires to wash our bodies as we bury our sins in the depths of that sea. It is spiritual; not natural. If you see that water as only natural water, and those words as only natural, fleshly words, then it proves your mind is only natural and fleshly. For you are not letting FAITH let that baptism in water do and be what God said it was. God said this act of being baptized in water in the name of Jesus would REMIT OUR SINS. See, faith believes this and it is Spiritual. If you cannot BELIEVE this, you have no true FAITH, - the reason being you are still under law, which is not of FAITH. That is why you cannot believe this. That word of God made that water and act be Holy, just as His presence made that ground be Holy Ground. It was naturally just ground; but God made it Holy. That water is just water; but God's presence make it Holy. That is why the APOSTLES were so vehement to get people baptized just as soon as they believed = to get their sins REMITTED - CAST INTO THE DEPTHS OF THAT SEA (WATER). Annainias told Paul, WHY TARRIEST thou (in other words, make haste, don't waste time)--- arise and be baptized and WASH AWAY THY SINS. To deny this is to call God a lie. That pure water is the water one is baptized in; it is pure because it is sanctified by the Holy ghost as the words are said which God said to say. It is sanctified by the very persence of God; just as the 'ground' Moses stood on was Holy Ground. It was only Holy because of the very presence of God. That same ground would not have been any different from the ground in your yard, except for the fact that at that moment God chose it to use it for His Holy purpose. God chose water baptism to 'wash away our sins' with. That makes it PURE WATER. |
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Is Water Baptism Necessary? Some are contending that Spirit Baptism and Water Baptism are one and the same thing, therefore water Baptism is not to be done. I am going to show you positive proof from the Word of God that this is NOT true. Now you can reject God's Word and go your way if you choose, but you will pay the price for doing so. Acts 10: 30. And Cornelius said, Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing,
31. And said, Cornelius, thy prayer is heard, and thine alms are had in remembrance in the sight of God.
32. Send therefore to Joppa, and call hither Simon, whose surname is Peter; he is lodged in the house of one Simon a tanner by the sea side: who, when he cometh, shall speak unto thee.
33. Immediately therefore I sent to thee; and thou hast well done that thou art come. Now therefore are we all here present before God, to hear all things that are commanded thee of God.
34. Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35. But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
36. The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)
37. That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
38. How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
39. And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
40. Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
41. Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.
42. And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
43. To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
44. While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
45. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
46. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
47. Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48. And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Now, read that carefully. These Gentiles had already received the Baptism of the Holy Ghost (spirit baptism) -- - they had the very same evidence as the Jews --- that of speaking in tongues. You must call the Book of Acts a lie to deny this. But look - after they had received the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, Peter COMMANDED them to be Baptized in WATER in the Name of Jesus Christ. God has fixed it in His Word so that every 'question' is covered: every truth is covered; there is no excuse for anyone to miss truth. God will judge all who set themselves up above God to say different than what God said in His Word. If Water Baptism is NOT a necessary part of Salvation, Peter would not have said, Can any forbid WATER that these should NOT be Baptized which HAVE RECEIVED THE HOLY GHOST AS WELL AS WE. See, they had already received the Holy Ghost ; but still needed to be Baptized in Water in the Name of Jesus Chirst. There is just no excuse for anyone to not see this. There will be no excuse for not obeying it on the judgment day. You will not be excused. You are doing the same thing Peter warned against = denying WATER for those who have received the Holy Ghost or need to receive it to be Baptized in WATER in the Name of Jesus Chirst. I ask all of you ---- why did not Peter say be baptized in the Name of the Father, the son, and the Holy ghost? Why? You need to find the answer. Acts 8: 5. Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them.
6. And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did.
7. For unclean spirits, crying with loud voice, came out of many that were possessed with them: and many taken with palsies, and that were lame, were healed.
8. And there was great joy in that city.
9. But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one:
10. To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God.
11. And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.
12. But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
13. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
14. Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
15. Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16. (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17. Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Now, I want to show by the Word of God, that He did not leave even a tiny 'crack' for anyone to escape into and 'hide' from truth. There is not even ONE element of this study left not covered so thoroughly that even a small child could see into this truth. Do you see that the city of Samaria had ALREADY received the WORD OF GOD, and they had already BEEN BAPTIZED IN WATER IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS (v16) Look at it, everyone. This whole city had repented at the preaching of Phillip, they had received the Word He preached, they had been baptized in water in the NAME OF THE LORD JESUS. Now how do you suppose that town knew they should be baptized in water in the NAME OF THE LORD JESUS? There is only one way ----- Phillip had preached this as the way of salvation. See, the very same message Peter preached at first. Very same message Annaias preached to Paul. Very same message Paul preached to the believers in Acts 19. How long will you continue to follow doctrines of men, and ignore something this clearly 'cemented down' in God's Word? Everyone of You ----- take heed how you HEAR. Now back to this part: This town had been water baptized ----- but they did NOT HAVE THE HOLY GHOST YET. Do you see that? If not, why not? It is said very plainly. Now do you see, that the apostles in Jerusalem heard of this and sent the apostles Peter and John down to this town? For what? Because they were apostles; Phillip was an evangelist ----- The evangelist's job was to go before them and preach, prepare the people through repentance, water baptism, for the receiving of the Holy Ghost. Now do you see, that the apostles later came down to Samaria and laid hands on these believers and they were THEN, after water baptism, filled with the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. See that with Cornelius's household, they received the Holy Ghost FIRST -- (why? because an apostle was there)-- But after the had received the Holy Ghost, Peter, having the KEYS to the Kingdom, COMMANDED them to go and be baptized in WATER IN THE NAME OF JESUS. Now, here is the answer to the question ----- why did he say it was only ONE Baptism. It takes both acts to make up the one. Just as if a man takes wood, stone, nails, and all the other ingredients it takes to make a house; puts them together just right and what? They make up ONE HOUSE. This is the answer. It takes both baptisms to make up the ONE. It takes all the ingredients God calls for to make up ONE SALVATION. If you leave out any ingredient, it will not be right. Just as in a good recipe for a cake or other food ---- leave out some important ingredient and it will not be right. All the ingredients make up the one good cake. It looks like flour, sugar, milk and eggs to us; but when finished, it only looks like CAKE. One cake. Glory to God. If you receive water baptism first, you must go on to recieve the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, or it is not complete. If you receive the Holy Ghost first, you must then be baptized in water in the name of Jesus, or it is not complete. That is solid truth from God's Holy Word. Reject it and you will be lost. p.s. People, I am telling you, you are all without excuse to believe and obey this pure message. I have not added one word, I have not taken out one word -- this is God's Word. Plain, pure and simple - obey it or you deny God and obey man. | | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 5/23/2003 10:50 PM | Otto Heick, A History of Christian Thought (1965), I, 53: "At first baptism was administered in the name of Jesus, but gradually in the name of the Triune God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Hasting's Dictionary of the Bible (1898). I, 241: "[One explanation is that] the original form of words was "into the name of Jesus Christ" or 'the Lord Jesus,' Baptism into the name of the Trinity was a later development." Williston Walker, A History of the Christian Church (1947), page 58: "The trinitarian baptismal formula,,, was displacing the older baptism in the name of Christ."
Do you believe the Word of God? Do you believe in a 'truine' God? Do you believe the words spoken by Jesus in Matt. 28: 19 refers to a 'truine' God? If not then why do you depend on these 'scholars' you listed above? Do you believe they know truth? If not, then why are you using their 'scholorly' works to teach with? I think you really do need to do some meditating on this and some soul searching. You claim these 'scholarly' minds know more than the KJV or someone who teaches straight from that KJV. So do you not see that they called what Jesus said to refer to a 'truine' God? Then if you do not believe in a truine God, why do you think they were so smart? Just does not make sense to me. And you must go make up other lies because you cannot and do not know why Jesus said what he did. Jesus is not the name of the Father. Jesus is not the name of the Holy Ghost. There is not one shred of evidence in the Word to prove this. Show me one Scripture saying the Holy ghost was named Jesus. Go back and read the first message here. It fully explains why the Apostles baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ. It was not because Jesus is the name of the Father; neither was it because they thought Jesus was the name of the Holy Ghost. And they most certainly did NOT BELIEVE IN ANY HEATHEN IDOL TRINITY GOD. So see that there must be a correct answer to this. You cannot call Matt. 28: 19 wrong and you cannot call Acts wrong. So what is the answer? Purely, that Jesus is the only person directly under the authority or headship of the Father. He is the only one authorized to invoke the Name of the Father. So when we use the Name of the Father's Son, Jesus, it takes us all the way to the very throne of God the Father. We go to the Father THROUGH HIS SON JESUS. Praise the Lord for the real truth. God -- is a word like 'you'-- which can be either singular or plural. Apos. min. You are too smart a person not to know that when a word has more than one meaning, you must be able from the context of the sentence discern WHICH meaning is meant. Right? So when Paul said YOU ARE ALL ONE, do you not realize that here he means not that all Christians are 1 and the same being - but he is referring to be equal, and in unity. It is the very same when John said THERE ARE THREE WHICH BEAR RECORD IN HEAVEN, AND THESE THREE ARE ONE. See, he did NOT change the fact that they were three. So the other meaning of the word ONE is being used here just as when Paul said you are all one. It refers to unity. God is ONE. God is a many-membered KINGDOM. Jesus prayed that we ALL MAY BE ONE AS THEY ARE ONE. Now surely you do not think he meant that we will all become 1 and the same being , do you? It is the same as when Paul said it was fulfilled ---- we are all ONE. Jesus , His Father, the Holy Ghost, all of us ----- are all ONE. Glory to God for His pure truth.
Just now, when I read this post before moving it, I saw from the above statement, solid PROOF that GOD is indeed a MANY MEMBERED KINGDOM. See by Jesus' own words, | Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; | | That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. | | And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: | | I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. |
Here Jesus said as he prayed, that we ALL (how many is that? millions) may ALL be ONE ---AS--- (means the same way) THEY, he and his Father are ONE. Don't you all see? This solidly proves that God is many being united as one. Else how could Jesus say that we may ALL BE ONE AS (SAME WAY THEY ARE ONE?) If all Christians are to be ONE, IN THE SAME GOD IS ONE, THEN IT PROVES GOD IS MANY, MANY, MANY. Glory. this is solid PROOF. | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 5/24/2003 1:00 PM | | John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.(apos. min.)
Apos.min. I am really amazed that one who claims to be so smart, educated and uses such 'scholars' and is so 'scholarly' himself, could pretend to believe that this means the name of the Holy Ghost is JESUS. You know that is not what this means anymore than Jesus saying I came in my Father's name means the name of the Father is JESUS. You Father -denying -Jesusonlies have twisted this Scripture to try to prove your lying doctrine. It will not work. Going in the name of someone means by his authority; it does NOT MEAN that other person is your name. This is sheer foolishness. It is telling us that the Holy Ghost only comes to us by using the Name of Jesus; for Jesus is our only way to God. You cannot go through any other name. We are told to pray in the Name of Jesus. We are told to heal in the name of Jesus, baptize in his name, everything we do has to be done in the Name of Jesus. We are all under his headship. We cannot come out from under that. If you try to go to God without going through that Name of Jesus, you will be cast into hell. So the only way to receive the Holy Ghost in through the Name of Jesus. That is what he meant by he will send the Holy GHost in the name of Jesus. You are twisting the true meaning just as you twist this: My Father and I are one. You know not what that means. We are all one. You know not what that means either. Jo | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 5/24/2003 10:56 PM | God made Jesus God God wasn't enough God so He made another one? Jesus is God and man? By the way, thats two gods!(apos.m.)
Is it now? Is that all you know about being ONE? You really need to get out of your scholarly books and into the KJV> You just might learn some truth. Sure hope you decide to do so. How bout this --- is this two gods? Heb. 1: 5. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? Is the Father one and is the Son one? Are they the same? Which is the Father, which is the Son? How are they the same, if they are the same, then one cannot be a Father to the other. Now this: 8. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. It would do you well to quit reading so many trinity scholars and read Hebrews. This writter knew the truth. Read verse 9. (have you ever read Hebrews?) Therefore GOD, even THY GOD, hate anointed thee....... Now is that two gods? Did you ever read where it said Jesus did NOT ANOINT HIMSELF? I bet not. | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 5/24/2003 11:06 PM | | Apos, if you pray for someone in the name of Jesus, does this make your name Jesus? or does it make that other person's name Jesus? That is what you are saying that if the Father sends us the H.G. in the name of Jesus, this makes Jesus the name of the H.G. It is the same mentality of reasoning. Do you not know that in order to receive the H.G. one must be baptized in water in the name of Jesus Christ? This is all that means - he will send us the H.G. in the name of Jesus. This does NOT MAKE JESUS THE NAME OF THE H.G. I have never read anywhere that the H.G. has any other name other than Holy Ghost. There is not other name given for this Spirit. Never did anyone in the Word call the Holy Ghost Jesus. Never did they call the Father Jesus. | |
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The great Apostle Paul preached in a city called Thessalonica but his words were rejected by the hearers, without so much as checking to see if they were true or not. Those who heard in a city called Berea had a different spirit. Acts 17 : 11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. I hope that you are one of the NOBLE ones. The purpose of this is to show from the scriptures and from history that unless you have repented of your sins, been baptized by full immersion in water, in the name of Jesus Christ and received the gift of the Holy Ghost with evidence of speaking in other tongues, you do not have salvation and your soul will be lost. Jesus said "Upon this rock I will build MY CHURCH and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it (Matthew 16: 18). Many people believe that as long as they are sincere, it doesn't matter which church they become a member of. This philosophy goes against the teaching of scripture, for the apostle Jude said that we should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints (Jude 3). In the days of Noah there was only one ark of safety from the flood, and only one door of entry. In these last days the one true Church of Jesus Christ is the only place of safety for your soul. It began on the day of Pentecost, and the new birth of water and Spirit is the only means of entrance (John 3:5). If the church you are in does not follow the teachings and practices of the original Church which Jesus established, it is not the true Church. Your soul is in danger of being eternally lost. The word of GOD reveals that in the last days there would be false prophets and teachers (Matthew 24: 4 + 11), churches with an outward appearance of godliness (2 Timothy 3: 5), and also that Satan’s ministers can appear as ministers of righteousness (2Corinthians 11:15). How then can one distinguish the TRUE CHURCH from the false ? In the same way that one can distinguish the genuine banknote from the forgery, by holding it up to the light. All other churches when examined against the light of God’s word (Psalm 119: 105), fail the test of authenticity concerning the new birth. Only the APOSTOLIC CHURCH is shown to be the TRUE CHURCH when examined in the light of scripture. Many people have gone shopping with counterfeit money, SINCERELY believing that what they had was the real thing, only to end up highly embarrassed when the time of reckoning came at the till. We do not question your sincerity or love for God. You may be like Apollos who was very zealous toward God and mighty in the scriptures, but he had a teachable spirit and allowed Aquila and Priscilla to expound unto him the way of God more perfectly (Acts 18:24 �?28). The Lord Jesus is coming soon to take HIS CHURCH (Those who have been called out of the world, purchased with his blood, and born again the Bible way) out of this world to be with him for eternity. Take some time to seek the truth, for the traditions of men cannot save your soul. Make sure that you're in the TRUE CHURCH. The eternal destiny of your soul depends upon it. |
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Some hold to the theory that they do not have to be baptized to be saved, and will justify this theory by pointing to the thief on the cross. The thief however, died under the old covenant of the law and did not need to be born again. Jesus had told Nicodemus that we must be born of water and the Spirit (John 3 : 5), but the new birth could not fully take place because the Holy Ghost was not yet given when the thief died, for Jesus was not yet glorified (John 7 : 39) The Church age began on the day of Pentecost. You and I are under the new covenant of grace and must be born again. There was a practice taking place in the Corinthian Church known as baptizing by proxy or baptizing in the stead of a dead person. (1 Corinthians 15 : 29). The Corinthian Church members had family, relatives, friends and other loved ones who had died without being baptized. They believed that by being baptized for their dead loved ones they could secure a place in heaven for them. Although the Corinthians were in error for believing that their dead loved ones who had died in their sins could be saved through their baptism by proxy, they were fully aware that without water baptism in the name of JESUS CHRIST a person could not enter into the Kingdom of GOD (Acts 2 : 38 + John 3 : 5). If water baptism is not necessary for salvation then the Corinthian Church members would not have bothered baptizing for the dead. So many people profess that they are living for Christ and yet have never been ' Born again '. Naturally speaking a person cannot live until they are first born, and so it is spiritually ( John 3: 5 ). When we meet people today who profess to be Christians, they become very offended when we ask them how they were baptized or if they have received the Holy Ghost, and yet Upon arriving at Ephesus the greatest evangelist of the new testament, the Apostle Paul came across
some disciples of John the baptist and the first two questions which they were asked were concerning water baptism and the baptism of the Holy Ghost ( Acts 19 : 1- 6 ). Paul knew that a person cannot be saved without the new birth of water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ and the infilling of the Holy Ghost. If Paul met you today, and asked you "Unto what then were you baptized" , What would your answer be ? A person cannot live for Christ if they have not been born right |
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Natural birth has to begin with conception, the man’s seed (sperm) has to be received by the woman to fertilize the egg. The baby then has to pass through water and receive natural breath as he/she comes into the outside world. As it is naturally, so it is spiritually. We first hear the gospel ( God’s word is his seed/sperm} Luke 8 : 11, Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 1Peter 1 : 23, Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.James 1 : 18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.). We then believe the gospel by receiving the word into our hearts (This is spiritual conception), This then leads us to pass through the water of baptism and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (The spiritual breath of life). Acts 2 : 41 Then they that gladly received (believed) his word were
baptized: and the same day were added unto them about three thousand souls. Here are some other scriptures which relate to Salvation 1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto BAPTISM doth also now SAVE US Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is BAPTIZED SHALL BE SAVED Acts 11:14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.
Cornelious was then COMMANDED to be BAPTIZED in the name of the LORD (The name of the
LORD is Jesus Acts 10:36, 44 �?48) Jesus said I am the door: by me if any man ENTER IN, he shall be saved (John 10 : 9). Jesus had previously told Nicodemus that the only means of ENTERING IN is through the New Birth of water and of the Spirit (Water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ and the infilling of the Holy Ghost Acts 2 : 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.) Why can some not see this? This is so clear to see. |
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Thank you, Axs2:28, for these good messages. Yes, it is so clear and taught so in the Word, till I think one has to be ignoring the Word of God, to not see this. I have come to see that most people do not care how much we show them a thing is written in the Word of God, they will just go on believing what some man taught them. I have come to see it is useless to try to teach anyone anything. They simply do not care to /'hear'. |
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Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. |
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Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. |
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bet our enemy does not read one word of these messages. she has no desire or capacity for truth. |
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