Bill, you don't think the devils believe in Jesus?  James is teaching on our same subject here.  Do you believe James?  He said the devils BELIEVE IN ONE GOD.  Is that sufficient?  His very purpose here is the same as I am saying.  He is showing that just faith is not going to save anyone.  if so, then these devils are also saved.  that is exactly what James is proving right here.

Seems to me, you are disputing both James and Peter.??  How is it that you know enough to call them wrong?

He is showing right here that faith, if it has not the works also, is DEAD.  Dead faith will not save anyone.  that is what he is showing.  You claim that Baptism is works and therefore not part of salvation.  According to this,  you are proven to be wrong.   It is stated the necessary three times right here in these few verses that faith without works is DEAD, being alone.

Notice that Abraham is said to have believed God and it was imputed to him for righteousness,  yet he still upheld that it was by the works which the faith was his righteousness.

 

Bill, God did NOT say that by believing it ASSURES them that they will not perish.  See you are adding in thoughts here and is almost every other Scripture which you attempt to teach from, which are NOT THERE.

Paul even stated that after all he had done, preaching, healing and much more, that he could have still ended up as a cast-away.  Believing does not assure anyone of salvation.  He that endureth to the END   SHALL BE SAVED.  See?  Same words---shall be  saved.  (so doesn't this make enduring to the end also a condition necessary for salvation?  of course it does!)

But this -shall be-  is future tense.  meaning something that could most likely occur.  Look it up.  that is what it means.

Jesus was only telling us that if we do believe,  we SHOULD  NOT   be lost.  We SHOULD go on to perfection and to know the Lord.  Many do not though.

One must believe the TRUTH and obey it to be saved.

Just saying you believe in Jesus is not going to save anyone.  It is very destructive and misleading to teach such things.

The Word says that the devils believe in one God and tremble.  How then can you say they do not believe?  Just because it does not suit your false beliefs does not give you authority to say he does not believe, and that if he did,  he would most certainly be saved.  You are surely assuming a lot of self-appointed authority here.  satan knows more about this than you do.  He KNOWS what Jesus did and He knows it does save us, if we obey it all.

 

<NOBR>Mr 13:13</NOBR>	And ye SHALL BE hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that SHALL endure unto the end, the same SHALL BE SAVED.
<NOBR>Mr 16:16</NOBR>	He that BElieveth and is baptized SHALL BE SAVED; but he that BElieveth not SHALL BE damned.

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How do you continually deny Mark  16:16?  ...and is baptized  shall be saved...and is baptized is just as much required here as is believing.  who gave you the right or authority to take this away out of this Scripture?

<NOBR>Ac 2:21</NOBR>

And it SHALL come to pass, that whosoever SHALL call on the name of the Lord SHALL BE SAVED.

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Now there we have another requirement... we must call on the name of the Lord.  I fully believe this means the calling of the name of the Lord over them in baptism, as it is always connected with salvation.  Paul certainly said it was how his sins were washed away.  Do you call Paul a lie?  sure you do!

when the right words are called over ones baptism, it causes this act to be a holy act which brings in the cleansing power of God and the blood of Jesus and washes away our sins.

cetainly just water itself could not save us.  but baptism is part of salvation.  all your rants and raves and twisting of Scripture will never change it.

You claim that they are first saved, then be baptized.  But this is not taught in Scripture.

Read this:

<NOBR>Ac 8:14</NOBR>	Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
<NOBR>Ac 8:15</NOBR>	Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
<NOBR>Ac 8:16</NOBR>	(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
<NOBR>Ac 8:17</NOBR>	Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

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Now see, this town had been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus BEFORE they received the Holy Ghost.  So now where are you?  Are they also saved before they receive the Holy Ghost? 

If you go and read Acts 10 you will find that Peter never once mentioned the word 'Believe' to those people.  Yet in chapter 11 it is stated that the angel told Cornelius to send for Peter who will tell you words by which you may be saved.

It is not recorded that Peter mentioned the need to believe.  Yet as he preached, the Holy Ghost fell on these people.  Did Peter let that be the end of it?  No!  He knew it was NOT YET COMPLETE.

He did not say, now that you are saved,  if you would like to make a public showing, you may go be baptized. Is that wha the said?  No!

 

HE COMMANDED THEM TO BE WATER BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD.

Now if it were not necessary to their salvation, and that is what Peter was there for,  to give them words by which they could be saved,  then Peter would not have   COMMANDED them to be baptized.

 

your theories are full of holes and not solid Scripture.

 

Bill, absolutely nothing you have said does away with Baptism being a necessary part of our salvation.  It does not matter which comes first, as is evidenced in Scripture,  but it must all be there.

Now how about reading the above verse as it is stated, and stop adding your own deceived thoughts to the Word of God.

There is not one single word in that verse which states  WHEN Paul did receive the Holy Ghost.  It does not say if it happened then or after he was baptized.  Ananias said the Lord sent me that you might receive your sight and  be filled with the Holy Ghost.  that is all it says.

But when Paul recounts this, he said that Ananias told him to arise and be baptized washing away thy sins.  You must call this a lie to keep saying it had nothing to do with washing away his sins.  Paul said it did.  Ananias said it did.  Ananias told Paul to be baptized just as Peter commanded Cornelius's house to be baptized.  You are not in harmony with these men of God.

It matters now one bit which order these things come in, so long as all are obeyed.  I have shown that the town of Samaria was baptized FIRST.  what do you make of that one?  how you gonna explain this one away? 

No new Testament salvation has to do with OT ceremonial washings.  It is not there.

No one had Salvation before the Day of Pentecost, so your going back to  those who served God under the OT is totally in vain, as far as how to be saved is concerned.

No one is saved until the  resurrection.  We have God now,  but it is not the new birth until  we come forth in the new body at the resurrection.

 

 

 

 

 

Bill, you are off on some kind of wild tangent.  You are so determined to stop people from finding the true way of salvation.

I have certainly NOT said that  believing is unnecessary.  I only said that if your using verses which spoke of believing and not mentioning baptism is any indication that baptism is not of necessity, then this verse mentioning baptism and not believing shows that believing is not necessary.

I see some of you cannot understand how a sentence is stated.    I have to slow down and go as if to first graders.  ok.  I only said that just because baptism is not mentioned every time does not mean it is not necessary.

All of those verse you speak of are not telling how to be saved.  it is not all laid out in every verse.  That is why we must study and put things with other Scriptures.

The very fact that at least two verses say baptism is of necessity, is all that is required to establish it as truth.  It does not have to be mentioned over and over and over to be true.

You are calling God a lie to say that those two times are not sufficient.

God did not say count the number of times one thing is mentioned and compare it with other things and see which one is true!  Where did you get such foolish notions?

How many times is the virgin birth mentioned in the Word?  Does this mean it is not true?

Now I hope everyone here will look at how you twisted 1Pet. 3:21.

 

<NOBR>1pe 3:21</NOBR>

The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

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Tweety, I hope you take note of this.  In bills post he said that peter said that baptism does NOT save us.  But see that the verse he used says right the opposite!  It said  even baptism doth also NOW SAVE US. 

true Baptism does not cleanse filth off our flesh.  We must do that ourselves.  But it is a required part of salvation.  Nothing bill can come up with will change this.  and there are more than two places where it shows that baptism is as necessary as believing.  IF  YOU BELIEVE  YOU WILL SEE THIS ALSO.

It is unbelief in the word to try and change what God has established with the Apostles and Jesus.  Jesus said he that believeth AND  IS  BAPTIZED  SHALL BE SAVED.

Now bill says oh no.  Jesus was not right there.  believing is mentioned more times that baptizing so Jesus was wrong.

who you gonna believe?  Jesus or bill?

Did you know that rejecting the right baptism is also rejecting God.  Did you know that being baptized is justifying God?

Yes.  Bill is one of those who will not enter in and is trying to block others who would.

<NOBR>Lu 7:29</NOBR>	And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.
<NOBR>Lu 7:30</NOBR>	But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.

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See verse 29?  those who received the Baptism JUSTIFIED GOD.

but v30.. the Pharisees and lawyers REJECTED the counsel of God against themselves,  being NOT BAPTIZED.

So I conclude from this that baptism is much more important than anyone realizes.  If being baptized by John meant justifying God and not being baptized meant rejecting God, and Paul re-baptized some of John's converts and ones he had baptized,  he redid it in the name of Jesus Christ, so they could get the Holy ghost,    all I can say is woe be to man denying all of this proof.

Notice in Acts 2, that Peter told them to be baptized and this would bring the promise of the Father of receiving the Holy Ghost.  See He taught it for them to be baptized FIRST, then they would receive the promise of the Holy Ghost.

I say bill is way   way   off  the word of God.  another mistake he is saying no scripture said that baptism is only a symbol of death.

It said we are BAPTIZED INTO HIS DEATH.  It is not a symbol.  Peter only said the like FIGURE whereby  baptism doeth  also NOW SAVE US.

It is saying that baptism does the same thing for us that the ark did for Noah.

Now all of you need to study these two verse a whole lot closer:

<NOBR>1pe 3:20</NOBR>	Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
<NOBR>1pe 3:21</NOBR>	The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

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Now, some of you better read that a little slower.  It said that baptism is a like figure of that  ARK which saved eight souls by water.  It said that baptism is like that ARK in that it now saves us.

It said that baptism is a like figure of that Ark, which saved Noah's family.  It said Baptism doth now save us.

it does not ever call baptism a symbol of anything.  It DOES NOT SAY ANYWHERE THAT BAPTISM IS ONLY A OUTWARD SIGN THAT WE HAVE BEEN SAVED, OR BELIEVED OR A SYMBOL OF    Jesus' death.

bILL    now you quote me one verse saying all this mess you state.  Show us one verse saying that baptism is a symbol of anything.  show us where it only symbolizes that we died with Christ.  It is not there.. You are making this mess up.

this one post here of mine is enough to show the whole world this truth,  IF THEY WANT ANY TRUTH.

I will not have time tonight to address all of your stuff.

This one is enough to all who can hear any truth.  bill has not proven one word he says.  He changes Scripture to suit his deluded mind.

<NOBR>Ac 8:12</NOBR>	But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
<NOBR>Ac 8:13</NOBR>	Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.

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