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Church: Israel : Twice dead, plucked up by the roots
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From: MSN NicknameSobeit33  (Original Message)Sent: 3/15/2004 5:35 PM

~~ Twice Dead, plucked up by the roots ~~

Today is , Sunday. I will attempt in this message to bring together the clear revelation of who Mystery Babylon really is and how her destruction will come about. This is a very important message. So I hope all who have a chance will take the time to diligently study this with the Word of God.

Jude 1:10-But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

This Scripture in Jude identifies a certain group of people as brute beasts and are corrupt. They run greedily after reward or money. These same people are spots in your feasts of CHARITY. See Charity is love, grace, equality. So how could someone greedy of reward or money be wanting equality? Equality is the very heart of true Christianity and love. They know not one thing of equality. Greed identifies this group and being natural ‘beasts�? These people are called raging ‘waves�?of the sea-- the sea being the masses of unsaved people on this earth. See, they are foaming out their own shame. They are wandering ‘stars�?to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

Now in this passage is a lot of explanation of Scriptural symbols. Notice it said that these same people are TWICE DEAD, PLUCKED UP BY THE ROOTS.

Now why are they TWICE dead? For the same reason this scripture pronounces them fallen two times. Re 18:2-And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. 18:3 -for all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

See this is speaking of the same Babylon we are teaching on. She has fallen twice. The first time she fell, her fruit from above was destroyed. The second time she fell, her roots were plucked up out of the earth and she was destroyed forever, in that lake of fire. Notice this word ‘merchants�? This is not speaking of natural merchants such as run stores. It means those ‘buying and selling�?in the religious capacity. This will be made clear as we go along. This ‘buying and selling�?is the mark of this beast.

Amos 5:2 The virgin of Israel is fallen; she shall no more rise: she is forsaken upon her land; there is none to raise her up.

Now here we have identified Israel as the one who is fallen. So lets just follow this and study it out.

Ho 8:6 For from Israel was it also: the workman made it; therefore it is not God: but the calf of Samaria shall be broken in pieces. 8:7 For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind: it hath no stalk: the bud shall yield no meal: if so be it yield, the strangers shall swallow it up. 8:8 Israel is swallowed up: now shall they be among the Gentiles as a vessel wherein is no pleasure.

This also identifies Israel as being broken in pieces because of their idolatry. Now Israel is among the Gentiles. The ‘strangers�?here who swallow up anything she yields is the Christians. These ‘strangers�?are prominent all through the Scripture. They are the TRUE people of God.

Ho 8:1 Set the trumpet to thy mouth. He shall come as an eagle against the house of the LORD, because they have transgressed my covenant, and trespassed against my law.

This verse shows that the starting of God’s wrath against Israel was shown by the trumpet. That ‘eagle�?group of Christians are the ones who come against them.

Ho 9:7 The days of visitation are come, the days of recompense are come; Israel shall know it: the prophet is a fool, the spiritual man is mad, for the multitude of thine iniquity, and the great hatred. 9:9 They have deeply corrupted themselves, as in the days of Gibeah: therefore he will remember their iniquity, he will visit their sins.

Now here we show that it has come time to recompense Israel for their iniquity. See that it says they have deeply corrupted themselves. So this shows that this group called Israel is the same group of Babylon, which God sets to destroy.

Ho 9:15 All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters. 9:16 Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb. 9:17 My God will cast them away, because they did not hearken unto him: and they shall be wanderers among the nations.

Now read verse 15--it said that God hated them. He drove them out of his ‘house�? This is the house of Jesus. Moses had a ‘house�?and Jesus had a ‘house�?or kingdom. This group of wicked Israel are not in the house of Jesus. See that it said their ROOT is dried up. They shall bear no fruit. This set in at the time Jesus cursed that fig tree and said, Let no fruit be on thee henceforth.

The fig tree was Israel. He cursed them and dried up their tree. They can now bear no fruit. This speaks of that law nation of old Israel.

For a little backup review-- I have taught in other messages and proven that old law Israel is the very same group as this fake whorish church in our day. For proof read how Jesus told them in Mt 23:28 -Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. 23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, 23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Now I know this is a lot of Scripture and makes these messages very long. But no message about the mystery Babylon could be complete of clear without this Scripture in Matthew 23.

Jesus was speaking to the religious Pharisees of His day, that law group of Israel. He called them serpents and vipers. He told them they are guilty of all the righteous blood shed upon this earth. He also told them, Your HOUSE is left unto you DESOLATE.

Now this clearly identifies that law nation of Israel as Babylon. proof? Sure.

Re 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her. 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Now here the Word calls Babylon a city of merchants. This means they ‘bought and sold�?the things of God. This is the mark of the beast. Remember that Jude called them ‘beasts�? Sure, here it is. Beasts; serpents; vipers; it is spiritual terminology.

But here in Revelation 18, they are told the same thing as Jesus told Jerusalem of old. You are the ones who are guilty of all the righteous blood ever shed on this earth.

So if they are not one and the same, how could two different cities be guilty of killing all the righteous people?

Then how are they the same ones? Simple. When Jesus closed off that OT group of law Israelites and started His Church, then old Jerusalem stepped right up and started their own church. It is clearly taught about their evil in Joel one. Read how those four worms ate down Jesus�?vine and barked it clean bare. See they then started killing all the NT prophets and saints which Jesus told them in Matt. 23 that he would send THEM and THEY would kill them.

So then the killers of these Christians all down through the church age was that same old Jerusalem. It is the mystery Babylon.

I wrote a very long message on the fall of the OT. This shows from Lamentations how every phase or part of that old law nation was destroyed. This took place on the Day of Pentecost. This is when that fig tree was cursed and dried up with no fruit forever more. This was when they were left DESOLATE.

Jesus is the one who pronounced them desolate. He is the one who made them desolate. But in actuality it was that ‘law�?which made them desolate. Jesus was made under that law. So he came here as part of that law nation. He came here in ‘first man Adam flesh�? This is the vile body and must be done away with. It is synonymous with old Jerusalem or law. The Word says in Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

God sent his Son here in the likeness of sinful flesh. This is not the glory of God. This is not the ‘flesh�?that His Word was made into, for that flesh was glory. So here we link Jesus with first man Adam and old Jerusalem, law. This is important to understanding this message.

Another point which is needful to understanding this message is to know what the seven heads on that beast is. I have most certainly never heard the truth of this taught. God showed me that the first head of the beast, mankind, was Adam. Yes this head started in the Garden of Eden. It ended there at the flood.

Then the second head was Noah. The third head was those four who came up after Noah; his three sons and Abraham. This is the third kingdom which had four heads. Now this makes six heads of the beast of the OT. The last or fourth kingdom and seventh head was Moses (law).

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From: MSN NicknameSobeit33Sent: 3/15/2004 5:41 PM

So the Old Testament heaven and earth ended there at Calvary. This is where, when and how Jesus killed that old head with the sword. He nailed that law to his cross and took it out of the way. But that old head of law was revived and brought right back up. Why? Because old Jerusalem made a church and of course went right on in their idol worship and law.

They could never come into grace because of their idol worship. So they set about killing all the saints of God who followed Jesus. They also set back up their priest system. Hebrews tells us that God did away with that earthly priesthood and now we have the Heavenly priesthood of Jesus. But the church still keeps that priest system, of one man ruling over the church. Every church today follows this pattern and their tithe paying. So they are back under this old, destroyed head of law. This why they cannot ever hear, or understand the truth of God’s Word.

Then that same old Jerusalem, law nation of Jews, made an image to the first beast before them, which was the law of Moses and idol worship. So then, old Jerusalem is actually the ‘mother�?church and not the Catholic church. The Catholic church is just her first daughter. She then produced other daughters, or harlot churches. Seven of them to be exact. See those seven heads again? -- the image to that first beast.

Now that is the foundation for this message.

Re 2:4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

This is the first of the seven churches, not the Apostolic Church of Peter and Paul. That Church was the first candlestick and olive tree which was the first Witness.

This Ephesus Church came after them and had already FALLEN. What does this mean? Fallen? Paul said when they went back to LAW they FELL from grace. So we find in Galatians and Acts that the early church had already fallen back to law. This along with the fall of the OT was the first fallen of Babylon. She fell when Jesus destroyed that old law nation of Israel.

Re 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Here we find that the next Church had people in it calling themselves Jews but were of the synagogue of Satan. So the church was also the synagogue of Satan.

Re 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

See here that the devil was in that church casting the true saints into prison and great tribulation.

Re 2:12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges; 2:13 I know thy works and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth. 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. 2:15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate. 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Here we are told that the third church was actually the seat of Satan. They were dwelling where Satan dwells, where his seat was, in that church. They were teaching Christians to commit fornication against God. How? With the Nicolaitans which is the holidays of idol worship. Jesus said unless they repent he will fight against them with his sword.

Here Jesus begins anew to destroy this Babylon system with His Sword. Now I want someone to explain to me how the seat of Satan is in the church unless the church is the kingdom of Satan? How can that be? How could they be teaching fornication against God and be his true Church? How could all of this be wrong with them if they are the true Church? Why were they killing the saints? They are the mystery Babylon, old law nation of Israel. They are guilty of all the righteous blood slain on this whole earth.

A ‘seat�?means a ‘throne�?where a king sits. So this shows Satan is the king of the church. He rules over them.

Re 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; .......

2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

2:24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.

Now this church also taught fornication and idol worship. God gave her the space of Grace to repent in. But she repented NOT. So he said I will kill her children with death. This means the second death in the lake of fire.

So now we have proven that all four of these churches were not God’s true Church. See that many in this church had known the depths of Satan. Of course God did have a few true people in each of these churches.

Re 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write;......

3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. 3:4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments...

Now this is the fifth church. They had only a very few names there which had not defiled their garments or gone back into law and sin and idol worship. They had no perfect works before God. So I ask you, how is this the true church of God? It is the kingdom of Satan. Satan sits in the churches. That system is not of God. This clearly proves it.

Re 3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie;

This sixth church was the best one of the seven. But it said they only had a little strength. Why is God saying here that there were people calling themselves Jews and were not? Because the true Jew is the true Christian. So they were of the synagogue of Satan. Now do not try to say Satan does not have the synagogues. This has named it several times.

Now for that seventh or last of the seven churches: ( This is a total departure from how I meant to teach this message. God has led me a different route from what I set out to do. But let His will be done. That is one way I know for sure He is directing these messages. I prepared something different; but I prayed for his leadership. So here is a lesson on the Church system being of Satan. It is not what I intended to write tonight.)

Re 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Now this seventh Church has not one good thing said about it. Why? Because it is down at the end of that age of churches and is totally corrupt just as the law age was totally corrupt at the end of it when Jesus came on earth.

This is a lukewarm, naked, blind, miserable church. And you say this is the church of God? I say not so, not for one minute. So then what did the Word mean about not forsaking the assembling of yourselves together?

Let’s just find the answer in the Word of God.

Lets go into Joel for a bit. In Joel one we are told of these four worm stages of this law church. Remember they made an image of the first beast before them. This was that Old Testament law nation. They were made up of the seven heads on four kingdoms. This is also the same description of Satan’s kingdom in heaven before it came up on earth. (Rev. 12.)

So it is the kingdom of Satan on earth. Those four worms ate down the vine of Jesus, which was his true Church which started there at Pentecost. But those worms, that seven-headed church of Satan, destroyed this vine. But the roots of it were left in the earth, so it will come up one more time.

Now to Joel two. This also starts with the blowing of the trumpets. Why? Because the trumpets of Revelation are the wrath of the Lamb coming upon this Babylon whore church.

Joe 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

See that this starts with blowing the trumpet. This signifies that the wrath of the Lamb is come. Read this chapter. It tells that these great people appear like horses, and a fire from them devours the stubble, which is Satan’s church or that old law nation in disguise. This then is the second time this old mystery Babylon nation has been destroyed. The first time was there when Jesus pronounced to Jerusalem that their house was left unto them desolate. He destroyed that fig tree right there. But it came back up in the fake church. Now he is going to destroy them again. This time he will pluck their roots out of the earth and they will never be again.

This will be the second time Babylon has fallen. This is why it said Babylon is fallen, is fallen. She fell twice. Twice dead, plucked up by her roots. This is fulfilled in Rev. 18.

Joe 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; 2:2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations. 2:3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them. 2:4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run. 2:5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.

Notice, this is said to be a great people of whom no one has ever been like before. Why? Because they are the second witness of God. Read Zech. 4. You will see that there were two olive tree candlesticks (true Churches) on EITHER side of those seven candlesticks. This means that one true Church came BEFORE those seven, and one came AFTER those seven. Now these along with the few true Saints in those seven are the ONLY true People of God since Pentecost.

This second witness is anointed with POWER from on high by the baptism of fire. This is how they have the fire coming out of their mouths to devour the stubble, which is Satan’s kingdom, or this mystery Babylon.

Joe 2:9 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief. 2:10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

In verse nine we have the coming of the Lord like a thief. It is this group of witnesses bringing the wrath of the Lamb upon this sinful kingdom of Satan, or Adam on this earth. Verse ten shows this is happening at the sixth seal.

Jer 50:6 My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.

Here we are told that the ‘shepherds�?caused the sheep to go astray and forget their restingplace, which was the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. (Isa. 28)

So since it was their shepherds, this proves again that it was the leaders or pastors of these churches.

Jer 50:11 Because ye were glad, because ye rejoiced, O ye destroyers of mine heritage, because ye are grown fat as the heifer at grass, and bellow as bulls; 50:12 Your mother shall be sore confounded; she that bare you shall be ashamed: behold, the hindermost of the nations shall be a wilderness, a dry land, and a desert. 50:13 Because of the wrath of the LORD it shall not be inhabited, but it shall be wholly desolate: every one that goeth by Babylon shall be astonished, and hiss at all her plagues. 50:14 Put yourselves in array against Babylon round about: all ye that bend the bow, shoot at her, spare no arrows: for she hath sinned against the LORD. 50:15 Shout against her round about: she hath given her hand: her foundations are fallen, her walls are thrown down: for it is the vengeance of the LORD: take vengeance upon her; as she hath done, do unto her. 50:16 Cut off the sower from Babylon, and him that handleth the sickle in the time of harvest: for fear of the oppressing sword they shall turn every one to his people, and they shall flee every one to his own land.

This shows that her mother, old Israel and fake church, (one and the same) have become fat = rich because of oppressing God’s true people. So it proves this rich, blind, naked last church is the same as this old mother who has grown rich by buying and selling the things of God. This is her ‘mark�? She declared that no one could ‘buy or sell�?except, or unless they had her mark. So this identifies them as this beast, the buying and selling. So any church which deals in money is marked that she is the beast.

If you worship, or dote on a building you are the beast. If you keep idol holidays, you are the beast. If you keep any part of law, such as tithing, you are the beast. If you let one man rule the church, you are the beast. If you keep the people in darkness of the truth of His Word, you are the beast. If you deny the true power of God, such as the Baptism of the Holy Ghost as at Pentecost, and the true gifts of the Spirit for our day, you are the beast. If you fail to teach people to repent and be baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of those sins, (as Peter and Paul taught) then you are the beast.

So judge yourselves. Where and what are you? If you love the world, (such as television, movies, houses, lands, rich cloths and cars, etc) the love of the Father is not in you. You are the beast. Where are you?

If you bind your members to you, tell them they can’t go other places for worship, they must give you their tithes, they must attend your services each time, they can’t partake of the services if they depart from your rules, then you are Babylon and the beast. Where are you?

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From: MSN NicknameSobeit33Sent: 3/15/2004 5:44 PM
 

Examine yourselves whether you are in the true faith. Don’t wait until her plagues are upon you. Then it will be too late. Notice in verse 16 that it is ‘harvest�?time when these plagues start and the sower of seeds in Babylon is stopped. Then the sword of the Lord will again be cutting down that tree of Babylon. This is when her roots will be plucked up and she will be thrown into the lake of fire and destroyed forever.

Jer 50:22 A sound of battle is in the land, and of great destruction. 50:23 How is the hammer of the whole earth cut asunder and broken! how is Babylon become a desolation among the nations! 50:24 I have laid a snare for thee, and thou art also taken, O Babylon, and thou wast not aware: thou art found, and also caught, because thou hast striven against the LORD. 50:25 The LORD hath opened his armoury, and hath brought forth the weapons of his indignation: for this is the work of the Lord GOD of hosts in the land of the Chaldeans. 50:26 Come against her from the utmost border, open her storehouses: cast her up as heaps, and destroy her utterly: let nothing of her be left. 50:27 Slay all her bullocks; let them go down to the slaughter: woe unto them! for their day is come, the time of their visitation. 50:28 The voice of them that flee and escape out of the land of Babylon, to declare in Zion the vengeance of the LORD our God, the vengeance of his temple.

50:29 Call together the archers against Babylon: all ye that bend the bow, camp against it round about; let none thereof escape: recompense her according to her work; according to all that she hath done, do unto her: for she hath been proud against the LORD, against the Holy One of Israel. 50:30 Therefore shall her young men fall in the streets, and all her men of war shall be cut off in that day, saith the LORD. 50:31 Behold, I am against thee, O thou most proud, saith the Lord GOD of hosts: for thy day is come, the time that I will visit thee. 50:32 And the most proud shall stumble and fall, and none shall raise him up: and I will kindle a fire in his cities, and it shall devour all round about him.

Now in the above verses God gives his second witness their commission to go against Babylon and destroy her. Notice that it said that God is the one who kindled a fire against Babylon. It is God who is destroying her. You will never understand Daniel correctly until you get this. This is God’s true Church or witness who is burning and destroying this sinful kingdom off this earth.

Notice verse 28 said this is the vengeance of the LORD and his temple. We are his temple. So it is proof that all of this destruction is being done by God, not Satan. It is the fulfillment of doing to her as she has done. God said to ‘double�?it to her. Why? Because of all the people of God she killed during the Old Testament times and then the Saints she killed in the New Testament times. She is guilty of both times, for it is the same Babylon.

Jer 50:35 A sword is upon the Chaldeans, saith the LORD, and upon the inhabitants of Babylon, and upon her princes, and upon her wise men.

Jesus destroyed that seventh, or law head nation with his sword. It said that head had a deadly wound by a sword. This was when Jesus nailed the law to his cross and took it out of the way. He laid that law away, but that head was healed. The church brought it right back up, for that whore church was the nation of Israel in disguise. I have solidly proven this. So notice that it says a ‘sword�?is upon the Chaldeans and her people.

Jer 50:36 A sword is upon the liars; and they shall dote: a sword is upon her mighty men; and they shall be dismayed.

Here this sword of the Lord came upon the liars and her mighty men. He cut them off.

Jer 50:37 A sword is upon their horses, and upon their chariots, and upon all the mingled people that are in the midst of her; and they shall become as women: a sword is upon her treasures; and they shall be robbed. 50:38 A drought is upon her waters; and they shall be dried up: for it is the land of graven images, and they are mad upon their idols. 50:39 Therefore the wild beasts of the desert with the wild beasts of the islands shall dwell there, and the owls shall dwell therein: and it shall be no more inhabited for ever; neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation. 50:40 As God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah and the neighbour cities thereof, saith the LORD; so shall no man abide there, neither shall any son of man dwell therein. 50:41 Behold, a people shall come from the north, and a great nation, and many kings shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth.

50:42 They shall hold the bow and the lance: they are cruel, and will not show mercy: their voice shall roar like the sea, and they shall ride upon horses, every one put in array, like a man to the battle, against thee, O daughter of Babylon. (Remember, this is God’s true servants.)

This bow and lance is the Word of God coming out of the mouth of the witnesses who are set to destroy this Babylon. Jesus went out on that white horse in the first seal and was given a bow with which to conquer. He has been conquering and bringing his adversaries under subjection to him all alone the way. He will complete this work by his second witness with the fire of God coming out of their mouths. These words are the arrows of God. See that they ‘ride upon horses�?against Babylon. This is in Joel two, the army of God.

Jer 50:43 The king of Babylon hath heard the report of them, and his hands waxed feeble: anguish took hold of him, and pangs as of a woman in travail. 50:44 Behold, he shall come up like a lion from the swelling of Jordan unto the habitation of the strong: but I will make them suddenly run away from her: and who is a chosen man, that I may appoint over her? for who is like me? and who will appoint me the time? and who is that shepherd that will stand before me? 50:45 Therefore hear ye the counsel of the LORD, that he hath taken against Babylon; and his purposes, that he hath purposed against the land of the Chaldeans: Surely the least of the flock shall draw them out: surely he shall make their habitation desolate with them. 50:46 At the noise of the taking of Babylon the earth is moved, and the cry is heard among the nations.

Am 9:8 Behold, the eyes of the Lord GOD are upon the sinful kingdom, and I will destroy it from off the face of the earth; saving that I will not utterly destroy the house of Jacob, saith the LORD. 9:9 For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth. 9:10 All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us.

Now here we have proof that this is God destroying the sinful kingdom off this earth. So since we have proven that old Israel and the whore church are one and the same, then this is the sinful kingdom of Adam, Satan, which God is destroying off this earth. He said the sinners of his people shall die by the sword. So see then that the teachers and preachers who lead people to believe they can stay sinners and still be in God’s Holy kingdom are deceiving them into destruction and hell. Is it love to teach people this evil lie which will destroy their soul? Of course not. It is hate and evil.

Jer 51:1 Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will raise up against Babylon, and against them that dwell in the midst of them that rise up against me, a destroying wind;

Now strange as it may seem, this means the Day of Pentecost. Yes, this mighty WIND which came and filled all the ‘house�?where the Apostles were is this destroying wind. That ‘house�?was the New Testament Church. It is not a building; it is the true people of God, built upon the truth of the grace of Jesus. Now this mighty wind which filled them with glory and power, also destroyed that first or old Jerusalem of Babylon. It cut off their prophets, their priests, their law, their Sabbaths, and all that pertained to them. This was her first FALL.

Jer 51:2 And will send unto Babylon fanners, that shall fan her, and shall empty her land: for in the day of trouble they shall be against her round about. 51:3 Against him that bendeth let the archer bend his bow, and against him that lifteth himself up in his brigandine: and spare ye not her young men; destroy ye utterly all her host. 51:4 Thus the slain shall fall in the land of the Chaldeans, and they that are thrust through in her streets. 51:5 For Israel hath not been forsaken, nor Judah of his God, of the LORD of hosts; though their land was filled with sin against the Holy One of Israel.

This was the NT ministers cutting off that old law covenant and yet bringing the true Judah and Israel into salvation by the new covenant.

 

Jer 51:6 Flee out of the midst of Babylon, and deliver every man his soul: be not cut off in her iniquity; for this is the time of the LORD'S vengeance; he will render unto her a recompense. 51:7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad. 51:8 Babylon is suddenly fallen and destroyed: howl for her; take balm for her pain, if so be she may be healed.

See this said that Babylon is fallen, only one time. This was the first time when the Old Testament fell. See that they were told to flee out of the midst of her and deliver their soul. This was the call to come into the New Testament. This was when the woman who birthed the manchild FLED in Rev. 12. She fled to the mountains of the New Apostles. She fled to the New covenant and delivered her soul.

At the time of the second destruction, there will be no deliverance. You must hear the call and come out of her now. This was when those in Judea FLED to the mountains. Peter and Paul and the other ministers of Grace were these mountains. They covered these people from the wrath which took the old covenant down. They were spared this sword. But all those who refused this Holy Ghost move of God and stayed in that old Babylon, were destroyed. They also set up the false, whore church and began their same old devil worship and destroying the saints of God again.

Next time her destruction will take up her roots and she will never be again. Come out of her my people that you receive not of her plagues and be destroyed with her.

Jer 51:9 We would have healed Babylon, but she is not healed: forsake her, and let us go every one into his own country: for her judgment reacheth unto heaven, and is lifted up even to the skies.

Who is saying we would have healed Babylon? The Apostles and true Saints. But they would not receive it. They refused New Testament salvation.

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Jer 51:10 The LORD hath brought forth our righteousness: come, and let us declare in Zion the work of the LORD our God.

This is the Apostles and Saints saying the LORD hath brought forth our righteousness. They had the true faith, so they were righteous. So they went out ministering truth in Zion the true Church.

51:11 Make bright the arrows; gather the shields: the LORD hath raised up the spirit of the kings of the Medes: for his device is against Babylon, to destroy it; because it is the vengeance of the LORD, the vengeance of his temple. 51:12 Set up the standard upon the walls of Babylon, make the watch strong, set up the watchmen, prepare the ambushes: for the LORD hath both devised and done that which he spake against the inhabitants of Babylon. 51:13 O thou that dwellest upon many waters, abundant in treasures, thine end is come, and the measure of thy covetousness.

Now this is prophecy for the second time destruction hits Babylon, in the New Testament times. This judgment comes against the whore church. See that she sat on many waters of peoples. The first or old Babylon only sat upon one people, the Jews. This time it is world wide. For the salvation of God went into all the earth. So the fake church also went into all the earth. But this time ‘her END�?is come. This time, her roots will be plucked up and she will never deceive the nations again. She will be cast into the lake of fire.

Jer 51:20 Thou art my battle ax and weapons of war: for with thee will I break in pieces the nations, and with thee will I destroy kingdoms; 51:21 And with thee will I break in pieces the horse and his rider; and with thee will I break in pieces the chariot and his rider; 51:22 With thee also will I break in pieces man and woman; and with thee will I break in pieces old and young; and with thee will I break in pieces the young man and the maid; 51:23 I will also break in pieces with thee the shepherd and his flock; and with thee will I break in pieces the husbandman and his yoke of oxen; and with thee will I break in pieces captains and rulers. 51:24 And I will render unto Babylon and to all the inhabitants of Chaldea all their evil that they have done in Zion in your sight, saith the LORD. 51:25 Behold, I am against thee, O destroying mountain, saith the LORD, which destroyest all the earth: and I will stretch out mine hand upon thee, and roll thee down from the rocks, and will make thee a burnt mountain.

Now in the above passage we see that God’s true people, the second witness, is the battle weapons of the Lord. He uses his people to bring the destruction of this sinful kingdom, the whore church, which is Babylon or old Israel. They are this destroying mountain, or nation. See that he rolled her down from the rocks. These rocks were the New Testament ministers. Now that fake church will no longer be able to go about as a wolf in sheep clothing. Glory to God!

Jer 51:26 And they shall not take of thee a stone for a corner, nor a stone for foundations; but thou shalt be desolate for ever, saith the LORD. 51:27 Set ye up a standard in the land, blow the trumpet among the nations, prepare the nations against her, call together against her the kingdoms of Ararat, Minni, and Ashchenaz; appoint a captain against her; cause the horses to come up as the rough caterpillars.

Here God tells Babylon that none of her people or ministers will make up any part of the foundation or corner of the true House of God. See again that she is pronounced to be DESOLATE for ever. Then we are told to BLOW THE TRUMPET. This sounding of the trumpet is the call to bring the wrath of the Lamb upon Babylon and destroy this sinful kingdom off this earth.

Jer 51:30 The mighty men of Babylon have forborne to fight, they have remained in their holds: their might hath failed; they became as women: they have burned her dwellingplaces; her bars are broken.

This is the destruction of all her ‘palaces�?or church buildings she dotes so much on. Read in Amos of the destruction of all her palaces. God hates them. Her bars, or the strong yoke she had on her people is now broken. Her yoke is taken off their necks.

Jer 51:49 As Babylon hath caused the slain of Israel to fall, so at Babylon shall fall the slain of all the earth.

This again bears out what Jesus said that this nation of Jerusalem, Israel, has all the slain of the earth at her door. She is the guilty one. She is desolate for all her evil.

If you read all the rest of this and compare it with Joel two you can see plainly the destruction of Babylon by God’s true witnesses. So this compares with Daniel eleven. It is the same thing.

Now for one more passage. I know this is long and I have a lot more on this message, but I will wait and go into some other parts of it in another message. This will be a good foundation for understanding the next one. They need to go together. It will be what I had prepared to write this time, but God led me a different way. And I can see why. Unless you understand all of this, you could not possibly get the next one.

I said I would show you what ‘assembling�?together really means. We must always find a Scripture showing a meaning.

Joel 3:1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, 3:2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

The above prophecy refers to the Day of Pentecost. This is when God brought again the captivity of his true Israel. They came into His true Kingdom there at Pentecost. See that he gathered ALL nations here also. See this salvation which came at Pentecost was for ALL FLESH. All people. The whole world, not just the Jews or Israel. So then the valley of Jehosaphat is also the valley of decision, or the Church ages where the people are called to come and repent and live for Christ. If they refuse this time of decision, then destruction awaits them.

Joel 3:3 And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink. 3:4 Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompense? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompense upon your own head; 3:5 Because ye have taken my silver and my gold, and have carried into your temples my goodly pleasant things: 3:6 The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the Grecians, that ye might remove them far from their border.

In the above verses, we have a description of how the fake church started immediately into casting lots for God’s people. They were ‘buying and selling�?them. They were luring them into fancy buildings, man-made programs, holiday celebrations, showing partiality, turning worship into talent shows, preaching became entertainment etc. Thus they ‘sold�?God’s people to the ‘Grecians�?or carnality. Grecian means drunkenness, partying, fleshly-living-it-up, etc. So the ‘church�?went into law and idol worship as before. They glory in their ‘suppers�? their fellowships, their fun times. But where is prayer? Bible study? True Worship? Where are the gifts of the Spirit to magnify the true power of God? Why do they not dote on these things? Because they went into the Grecian kingdom of carnality.

Read in Rev. 18 how Babylon sold all these things even souls of men. This is her mark, buying and selling. You cannot ‘buy and sell�?= (partake of her money schemes) unless you have her ‘mark�? You cannot do it. You will not be able to, for the truth of God inside you will not let you see or buy the things of God. The true Church ‘GIVES�? And I do not mean giving tithes to fake men and churches. I mean what you have from God, you freely give it. If you have a message you freely give it. You do not take pay for preaching the Word. If you sing, you freely do this. If you can heal the sick, you do as Peter and John, freely give it. If you take pay for it, you have entered into the mark of this beast church and will end up in hell.

Joe 3:7 Behold, I will raise them out of the place whither ye have sold them, and will return your recompense upon your own head: 3:8 And I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a people far off: for the LORD hath spoken it. 3:9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up: 3:10 Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.

3:11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.

Beating the plowshares ( preaching the Word for salvation) into swords shows the closing off of Grace and the starting of the judgment ministry by which we destroy Babylon. See the call for His mighty ones (the army of Joel two) to come down. This is the assembling

of God’s people together. It is NOT attending their entertainment shows each Sunday and Wednesday night. It is coming into God’s true Church by the Baptism of the Holy Ghost then the Baptism of Fire to bring this judgment. Assembly with the entire Church of God by Spirit. Come out of Babylon. By one Spirit are we all Baptized INTO ONE BODY. There you have it. The true Assembling. Are you assembled? Placed into the Body?

Joel 3:12 Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.

This was the call to the heathen to wake up and find salvation. Come into Christ for here God will judge you = by what you did with Pentecost. Did you obey? Did you repent and accept the Holy Ghost? Did you speak in tongues as the Spirit gives utterance? Did you repent and be baptized in water in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins? This is what you will be judged by, this valley of decision. Come up. Be filled with the Holy Ghost while you still can. Soon it will be too late.

Joe 3:13 Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the vats overflow; for their wickedness is great. 3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision. 3:15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining. 3:16 The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.

After this call to come into salvation the Acts way, the sixth seal will be upon Babylon. The sun (truth) will no longer be shining for you. The ministers will withdraw their message. God will then call his army to destroy all who rejected this great plan of glory and salvation. Where will you stand on that day? Where are you now? Examine yourselves and see whether you be in the true faith. Go by the Written Word of God. There is no other way.

Repent and receive New Testament Salvation as taught by the Apostles Peter and Paul. It is found in the Book of Acts. You will be judged by this very message. Are you too proud to let God fill you with the true Holy Ghost? Are you too proud to let him speak in tongues through you? If so, then destruction awaits you at that final judgment day.

I pray this will be a blessing to all you read it. 

By: Jo Smith

 
   

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From: MSN Nickname®Larry_W_B_1©Sent: 3/16/2004 4:03 PM
jo a great message.

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From: joieSent: 7/15/2004 3:50 AM
This is another of those great messages about the church today.  People, you need to study and learn these things.  Your soul could depend upon knowing these truths.

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From: joieSent: 8/16/2004 5:32 PM
We never know when visitors pass through here and might wish some of the Deep teachings of the Word to be on the front page.  So I am sending this wonderful message back to the front page.  Hope it will be a blessing to someone.
 
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From: joieSent: 9/7/2004 5:40 PM
Let's keep some good teaching messages on the front page.

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Will you be in the number who are plucked up by the roots and cast into the lake of fire?  Do you love the TRUTH?

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This is a very good and deep message, which some of you may never have seen.  it would to you well to study this.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/2/2008 12:21 AM
This Scripture in Jude identifies a certain group of people as brute beasts and are corrupt. They run greedily after reward or money. These same people are spots in your feasts of CHARITY. See Charity is love, grace, equality. So how could someone greedy of reward or money be wanting equality? Equality is the very heart of true Christianity and love. They know not one thing of equality. Greed identifies this group and being natural ‘beasts�? These people are called raging ‘waves�?of the sea-- the sea being the masses of unsaved people on this earth. See, they are foaming out their own shame. They are wandering ‘stars�?to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

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