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Church: Israel : Mother of harlots
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From: joie  (Original Message)Sent: 7/23/2005 1:16 AM
From: joie  (Original Message) Sent: 4/9/2005 6:53 PM

~ Mother of Harlots ~

Today is Saturday, April 9, 2005. I am going to write this message to try to help clarify who this ‘mother of harlots�?actually is. There is so much confusion and false teachings in the world concerning this matter that I feel I should take this matter a bit at a time and explain it with the Word of God.

Now all the lies being taught in the world and false church are just the carnal ideas of worldly minded people. They have not based their ideas at all on the Written Word of God. Now you must learn that the truth of all Scriptural questions is written in the Word of God. It was not left up to carnal minded men to make up stuff about these Scriptural matters. You cannot look around you at the time you live on earth and surmise from the happenings of your day as to the true interpretation of these things. You must compare the Scripture with other Scripture and find truth this way.

I have already written several messages explaining this subject. But since I see people cannot understand from these teachings, I feel I need to take the chapters on this subject a verse at a time and show you how the popular teachings do not fit the Word at all.

I will start with Revelation 17. Re 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will show unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

Re 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

Verse 15 explains that the WATERS where this whore is sitting is many [multitudes] of nations, tongues [all languages], and peoples [many different nationalities of people]. It is not Europe as most people conclude. It is not Rome as most people conclude. [Wonder how it could be the European countries joined together and also be Rome?] The same people who claim it is these European Countries also claim it is Rome, or to be more precise, the Pope. But see that verse 15 is showing that it is worldwide.

Re 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

Now here we see that this whorish woman is sitting upon a scarlet coloured beast. So? This proves then that the world-wide waters is also this scarlet coloured beast. If this woman is sitting upon many waters, then it says she sits on a scarlet beast, then it stand to reason that the waters is also the beast.

So this brings us to see that this seven-headed beast is the people of this entire earth, not just in Europe or Rome.

So why would this beast, or the people of this earth, be said to be scarlet [red] coloured? First find what the color red shows in the Word of God.

Isa 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

Re 18:16 And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

Now read that verse carefully. Read it again. It said there was a CITY, which was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

How can a �?I>city�?be clothed? She [this city] has on fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

Now realize that whoever or whatever this CITY is, she is this MOTHER OF HARLOTS. SHE IS THIS WHORE AGAINST GOD. Remember also that this city is many nations, peoples, kindreds and tongues. This city is world-wide. This city is guilty of all the righteous blood ever shed on this earth!

Re 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

There is another group [or so it seems] to whom Jesus said this same thing of:

Lu 11:50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation; Lu 11:51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.

Mt 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

Re 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth. [in who? Babylon, this mother of harlots.]

So from these verses we find that there is a CITY, which is clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls, and that this city is guilty of shedding all the righteous blood on this earth, beginning with Abel.

Re 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

So here is a verse which positively identifies this whorish woman as a great CITY. It said this CITY reigns over the kings of the earth. Notice, this means the entire earth, not just Europe, Rome or Israel. It is this entire earth from back on the other side of the flood. If the other side of the flood is not included, then how could Jesus take it back to the blood of Abel?

This city reigns over the kings of this entire earth. So who could possible fit this description? None other than ADAM. He is the one who was given dominion to rule this earth. That dominion has never been taken away from him, yet. Adam is the king over this City. So what city is it? For an answer, let’s find what is clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls. People think Satan is the king over this earth. I ask you to find and show me a verse which says God gave Satan dominion over this earth to rule it.

Lets go back to the word, Scarlet, Red, and Crimson. Remember that the beast she rides is a Scarlet, or red beast. Look up the word ADAM in the Strongs Hebrew dictionary. It is # 119 and 120. Here is what it says: to show blood in the face, i.e. flush or turn rosy: be made red or ruddy.

#120 = ruddy; i.e. a human being, mankind. hypocrite, common sort, low, man, (mean, of low degree), person. So we see that Adam means a mean, low degree, hypocrite sort of person. But it also means to be made RED, or scarlet or crimson. These are all red colors. Esau, the elder and twin brother of Jacob, also means RED.

Sins are called red, scarlet, and crimson. Isa. one. Re 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Re 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Here we find that the dragon is that old serpent, called the Devil and Satan. So that old serpent in the Garden of Eden is Satan. He was cast out into the earth. Eze. 28 declares that God cast him out of the Garden of God because of his wickedness. It also declares that this is just a man. So, who did God cast out of that Garden? None other than ADAM, the head over mankind. Jesus told the Pharisees they are of their father the devil. He also called them a generation of serpents. He said this generation was guilty of all the shed blood on this earth. So now we are narrowing down the clue to identify this Mother of harlots.

Adam was God’s Son. God gave Adam to be the ruler over this entire earth BEFORE Adam fell into his wickedness. God anointed this Son, or Cherub, to be the covering for the people. God has not taken that anointing away from this son. That covering is still here. Most of the world is under this covering. That is why this whorish city is in all nations, peoples and tongues. God gave to his son a part of the angels to be his helpers. When Adam fell, these angels fell with him. They are all now the devils in this earth. But Adam, the Son of God, is over them. Adam is not an angel. Adam is a human being.

Jesus is God’s other Son. Jesus was also given to be a covering. That covering is Grace. It is still in the earth. Very few are under this covering. This Son has not come into his own throne yet. He now sits on His Father’s throne in Heaven. Adam is still the king on this earth. God gave part of the angels to Jesus. They are still good angels. They will return to earth with Jesus when he comes here to sit upon his own throne as king over this entire earth. At that time Adam, that old serpent, will be cast into the lake of fire. That will end his kingship, or headship over this earth. Then Jesus will succeed Adam as King, just as David had to wait until the death of Saul, in order to exercise his kingship. But David was anointed to be king while Saul still lived. It is the same with Jesus and Adam.

So now we see that there are two coverings for people. It was the same with Cain and Abel. Cain stood with Adam in his rebellion against God. Abel stayed true to God and fed His Sheep the truth. But Abel was killed by this whorish city, for she is guilty of all the righteous blood shed on earth, beginning with Abel. We know that Cain killed Abel. So this proves that Cain was part of the Great Whore which sits upon many waters. [You who claim this city is Europe or Rome, how do you place them with this?]

Now lets prove who is clothed with this scarlet color. Who is clothed with the blue? Or the gold? Or the fine stones? Who is it? What is it? The answer is so clear in the Word of God, there is no need for guess work. God told the serpent that dust is his meat, or his portion. So the dust represents all the money, riches, and fine things on earth. This is Satan’s portion or the way he receives worship. God is not worshipped with works of man’s hands or with money or material things. This is the serpents meat. Remember that Jesus said he had no place to lay his head. He did not deal with money, fancy stuff, or material things. Why? His kingdom is not of these things. His kingdom is in the Spirit. He is meek and lowly. He is not proud or lifted up. He did not ask for big rich buildings or such things. This is Adam’s love and the way Adam is worshipped. Adam is the serpent. Dust is the serpent’s meat. Keep this in mind and watch the following.

I will quote here a lot of Scripture. You cannot teach a thing like this without going into full detail. People have so much false doctrine in their minds, it will take solid proof to change anyone to see truth.

If you do not wish to read and learn truth, just overlook this message. But for those who truly want to learn here goes:

Ex 25:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 25:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring me an offering: of every man that giveth it willingly with his heart ye shall take my offering. 25:3 And this is the offering which ye shall take of them; gold, and silver, and brass, 25:4 And blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine linen, and goats' hair, 25:5 And rams' skins dyed red, and badgers' skins, and shittim wood, 25:6 Oil for the light, spices for anointing oil, and for sweet incense, 25:7 Onyx stones, and stones to be set in the ephod, and in the breastplate. 25:8 And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them. 25:9 According to all that I show thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.

God told Moses to make a tabernacle according to a pattern which God gave to him. All of this is types and shadows of the true thing of God. Keep this in mind. See that the offering the people brought to make these things with are gold, silver, brass, blue, purple, and scarlet fine linen and goats hair. The goats represent the ones whom Jesus casts away from him at the judgment.

If you will read this entire chapter you will see that they made a pattern of the mercy seat, the two witnesses, and the seven churches. They were all under this cunning work of the tabernacle.

Ex 26:1 Moreover thou shalt make the tabernacle with ten curtains of fine twined linen, and blue, and purple, and scarlet: with cherubims of cunning work shalt thou make them.

Ex 26:29 And thou shalt overlay the boards with gold, and make their rings of gold for places for the bars: and thou shalt overlay the bars with gold. Ex 26:30 And thou shalt rear up the tabernacle according to the fashion thereof which was showed thee in the mount. Ex 26:31 And thou shalt make a veil of blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen of cunning work: with cherubims shall it be made:

Watch this word ‘cunning�?all through these chapters. It is the same as the one in Daniel who caused ‘craft�?to prosper in his hand.

Ex 26:36 And thou shalt make an hanging for the door of the tent, of blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen, wrought with needlework. Ex 26:37 And thou shalt make for the hanging five pillars of shittim wood, and overlay them with gold, and their hooks shall be of gold: and thou shalt cast five sockets of brass for them.

Ex 27:16 And for the gate of the court shall be an hanging of twenty cubits, of blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen, wrought with needlework: and their pillars shall be four, and their sockets four.

[You will need to read all of these chapters to really get the full impact and truth of this.]

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From: joieSent: 7/23/2005 1:17 AM
From: joie Sent: 4/9/2005 6:55 PM

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Ex 28:5 And they shall take gold, and blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine linen. Ex 28:6 And they shall make the ephod of gold, of blue, and of purple, of scarlet, and fine twined linen, with cunning work. Ex 28:7 It shall have the two shoulder pieces thereof joined at the two edges thereof; and so it shall be joined together. Ex 28:8 And the curious girdle of the ephod, which is upon it, shall be of the same, according to the work thereof; even of gold, of blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen.

Ex 28:15 And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; of gold, of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine twined linen, shalt thou make it.

Ex 28:33 And beneath upon the hem of it thou shalt make pomegranates of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, round about the hem thereof; and bells of gold between them round about:

Ex 35:5 Take ye from among you an offering unto the LORD: whosoever is of a willing heart, let him bring it, an offering of the LORD; gold, and silver, and brass, 35:6 And blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine linen, and goats' hair, 35:7 And rams' skins dyed red, [one of the meanings of Adam] and badgers' skins, and shittim wood, 35:8 And oil for the light, and spices for anointing oil, and for the sweet incense, 35:9 And onyx stones, and stones to be set for the ephod, and for the breastplate.

Ex 35:25 And all the women that were wise hearted did spin with their hands, and brought that which they had spun, both of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine linen. 35:26 And all the women whose heart stirred them up in wisdom spun goats' hair. 35:27 And the rulers brought onyx stones, and stones to be set, for the ephod, and for the breastplate;

Ex 35:35 Them hath he filled with wisdom of heart, to work all manner of work, of the engraver, and of the cunning workman, and of the embroiderer, in blue, and in purple, in scarlet, and in fine linen, and of the weaver, even of them that do any work, and of those that devise cunning work.

Ex 36:8 And every wise hearted man among them that wrought the work of the tabernacle made ten curtains of fine twined linen, and blue, and purple, and scarlet: with cherubims of cunning work made he them.

Ex 36:35 And he made a veil of blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen: with cherubims made he it of cunning work. Ex 36:36 And he made thereunto four pillars of shittim wood, and overlaid them with gold: their hooks were of gold; and he cast for them four sockets of silver. Ex 36:37 And he made an hanging for the tabernacle door of blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen, of needlework;

Ex 38:18 And the hanging for the gate of the court was needlework, of blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen: and twenty cubits was the length, and the height in the breadth was five cubits, answerable to the hangings of the court.

Ex 38:23 And with him was Aholiab, son of Ahisamach, of the tribe of Dan, an engraver, and a cunning workman, and an embroiderer in blue, and in purple, and in scarlet, and fine linen.

Ex 39:1 And of the blue, and purple, and scarlet, they made cloths of service, to do service in the holy place, and made the holy garments for Aaron; as the LORD commanded Moses. Ex 39:2 And he made the ephod of gold, blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen. Ex 39:3 And they did beat the gold into thin plates, and cut it into wires, to work it in the blue, and in the purple, and in the scarlet, and in the fine linen, with cunning work.

Ex 39:5 And the curious girdle of his ephod, that was upon it, was of the same, according to the work thereof; of gold, blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen; as the LORD commanded Moses. Ex 39:6 And they wrought onyx stones enclosed in ouches of gold, graven, as signets are graven, with the names of the children of Israel.

Ex 39:8 And he made the breastplate of cunning work, like the work of the ephod; of gold, blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen.

Ex 39:24 And they made upon the hems of the robe pomegranates of blue, and purple, and scarlet, and twined linen. Ex 39:25 And they made bells of pure gold, and put the bells between the pomegranates upon the hem of the robe, round about between the pomegranates;

Ex 39:29 And a girdle of fine twined linen, and blue, and purple, and scarlet, of needlework; as the LORD commanded Moses.

Now if this is not enough to prove to the hardest person that this Old Testament Covenant of LAW is this Harlot City of Revelation 17 and 18, I say you are too blind to ever see any truth or ‘hear�?the true voice of the true Shepherd, Jesus. The Word of God has here very clearly revealed to us who this City is which was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls.

There are many more verses proving this, but I have certainly written enough here to prove it solidly. No other city in this world matches this description. Prove to us how the European nations match this description. Rome is only a copy of it. All churches are the image of this original beast of LAW, Adam’s kingdom.

Yes, Adam partook of that ‘tree�?of the KNOWLEDGE of good and evil, the LAW. He set up the animal sacrifices as worship to himself as god. He took the world into the works of the flesh, the LAW. By the LAW, or works of the flesh, shall no one be justified. God hates it all.

Jer 4:30 And when thou art spoiled, what wilt thou do? Though thou clothest thyself with crimson, though thou deckest thee with ornaments of gold, though thou rentest thy face with painting, in vain shalt thou make thyself fair; thy lovers will despise thee, they will seek thy life.

She was clothed with crimson [sin] or made red. She was decked with gold and precious stones. It was that Old Law Covenant. It was that Old Testament. It was Adam. It was that tree of the knowledge of good and evil. It was that covering which is too short and narrow. It is the blood of bulls and goats. Her enemies, the New Testament ministers, set on her and destroyed her. But her daughters, the churches, brought her back up again. They healed that head. They brought Adam back up. They brought law back up. They are doing despite to the Spirit of Grace. They are proud, haughty, and love riches. They love the big fancy, lavish buildings. They love idols. They live in first-man Adam, the outer flesh. False religion started with Adam and extends to the end of this world. It is Adam’s City of Babylon. It was old Jerusalem. It is law. Adam lifted himself up as god. There are ministers right today proclaiming they are god.

Their leaders were not of God. Jer 6:13 For from the least of them even unto the greatest of them every one is given to covetousness; and from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely.

Jer 4:20 Destruction upon destruction is cried; for the whole land is spoiled: suddenly are my tents spoiled, and my curtains in a moment.

This is speaking of the fall or destruction of the OT Covenant. If you doubt these curtains speaks of that old covenant, read this: 1Ch 17:1 Now it came to pass, as David sat in his house, that David said to Nathan the prophet, Lo, I dwell in an house of cedars, but the ark of the covenant of the LORD remaineth under curtains.

This speaks of all those curtains they made back in Exodus. Remember all those curtains of purple and Scarlet? This is what it is speaking of.

Jer 10:20 My tabernacle is spoiled, and all my cords are broken: my children are gone forth of me, and they are not: there is none to stretch forth my tent any more, and to set up my curtains.

This is the cry of the Old Covenant, law, Adam’s kingdom, after the New Testament, or Jesus�?kingdom came in. Now there is no one to set up that old way of worship anymore. It was that old Covenant which dwelt under these tents and curtains.

Re 18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, [Adam ruled over the kings of the earth; so they had committed fornication or worship of idols with her.]

Re 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come. Re 18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: [That buying and selling, or love of money, is the mark of this beast kingdom. Their love for material things is their mark.]

Re 18:12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble, Re 18:13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men. Re 18:14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all. Re 18:15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing, Re 18:16 And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls! Re 18:17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought.

Now why was this ‘city�?into so much merchandizing? It was the mark of the Beast kingdom of Adam. The dust was his meat or portion. So all these rich, material things was the portion God gave to Adam. So God let them set up the kind of world they wanted and loved. This is what all that rich stuff was about in Exodus. Why were they into buying so much flour, wheat, beasts, and sheep? It was what they used in their sacrifices. They ate all this stuff at their sacrifices. The killed their lamb, then made a big feast off it. It is all through the Old Testament how they did this stuff. The gold, silver, precious stones and fine linen, purple, and scarlet cloth is all through what they made. I just showed it to you. That old covenant of law, Old Testament worship, was this rich city. It was made even more rich and grand when Solomon took it even further with that rich, lavish temple he built. But all this riches is set to come to nothing. All these rich church buildings, copying this first beast, is set to be destroyed, when Jesus returns and sets up his kingdom of love and peace, APART FROM MATERIAL RICHES.

Adam’s kingdom, human flesh, is sinful, or red. It is under law. The church has brought that head of law right back up again. Now they are all crying out for the Ten Commandments to be set back up over us. See that after the first beast fell, there rose up another beast? It was the image of that first beast. It was the Church, going back to law and material things instead of the Spiritual things which accompanied the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. They denied the gifts of the Spirit and picked back up rich, fancy building as their ‘work�?for God. It was again the works of the flesh. It was Adam manifested again. It was the dust again being esteemed as the glory. Those seven heads of the OT came back up again in the eight head. This eighth head was a full image of all seven heads of the OT. That is why John declared Re 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. Re 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

See this beast rose up out of the sea, just as the beast Daniel saw did. What is the sea? Isa. 60:5-Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the ABUNDANCE OF THE SEA shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.

This shows that the ‘sea�?represents the Gentile world. So the Gentiles churches of Rev. [those seven] are where this beast rose up from. It also represents flesh, the sand of the sea. So this eighth head was the Church, which made an image to the first beast out of the OT. It was the image of the beast. See Rev. 13 shows that it was like unto a leopard [that third kingdom in Daniel; his feet as the feet of a bear [that second kingdom in Daniel; and his mouth as the mouth of a lion [ that first kingdom in Daniel]. So there you see that the church had in it all the traits of that first beast kingdom, the OT. This then is showing that the church went back to the OT of law, works of the flesh, instead of staying with the Spirit of the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, which was the only true Church, and the only one in Grace.

We know that even in Paul’s and Peter’s day, the church had picked back up on keeping the law. Both Apostles told them this was not the right way. They said the church fell from grace. So it went right back to that Old Covenant of law, and blood of bulls and goats. This is Adam’s kingdom. It is strictly fleshly. It is not Spiritual. And this is why everyone is looking to a fleshly fulfillment of these prophecies, instead of seeing the Spiritual truth of it.

Daniel said he saw four different kingdoms. But John said he saw one beast rise up, which was the image of all seven of the first ones. This one had in it all the characteristics of those seven. So this is the one which was and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

See, that OT beast of law was, [then], but now it is not, for Jesus did away with it, and yet it is, for the church brought it right back up or healed this wounded head of law. But at the end of this age, this kingdom of Adam will be cast into the lake of fire or perdition.

Re 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. Re 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. Re 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Now what are those ten horns? It is those Ten Commandments. Why then does it say they have received no kingdom as yet? Because under the NT age, the law has no true power to cause those who disobey to be killed. But as they continue to call out for law, those Ten Commandments will again be empowered as they were under that old covenant. See, under the new Covenant, they have not been crowned, or given full power as kings, or rulers with the power to enforce that law with the death penalty.

But down here at the close of this church age, those commandments will again be given power and then you will be killed if you disobey and stay true to the Grace Covenant. People, the world is ready for this change right now. The Seventh Day Adventist have hurled this law at people so much, almost everyone has fallen into this deception. Just look around you right now, the signs for the Ten Commandments are in thousands of yards. People have no idea what they are doing or calling for. Under that law, there is NO MERCY. There is no Grace. If you disobey, you must die. Jesus destroyed that head at Calvary, but the Church has healed it and revived it. They are all under law right now. But the law has not been crowned, or given the power to rule again and demand obedience. But it is on the way.

Everyone who teaches that this Whore Woman is something other than this truth, are paving the way for this deception to take over. You are leading souls astray by the lie, so that they are not aware of what the real danger is. So this makes them easy prey for this monster of law to take back over. You think it is not a monster? Then just wait until it is crowned again. Then you obey your churches teaching that you can commit all the sin you want, and still be a Christian! Go commit your adultery and you will be stoned to death. Slap someone on the face or put their eye out. Your eye will be put out in place of it. Children disobey your parents and you will be stoned to death.

Refuse to kill your lamb, and you will be killed. Yes. That law demands animal sacrifices. Only under Grace [which is opposite of law] does the blood of Jesus cleanse you. The law always demands the death of animals. So if you refuse this thing, you will be stoned to death. You think that is not monstrous? Then just wait until you live under it for real. Right now, you are just toying around with it. After it comes into full power again [it has not under the NT] you will then be accountable to law and must obey it or be killed. Refuse that seventh-day Sabbath and they will kill you. This is the very law which they killed Jesus for disobeying! They killed Stephen for they said he spoke against Moses and their law. They stoned him to death for this. This is why they killed all the disciples of Jesus. See that law head was still in power at that time under that OT beast. This is why and how this beast makes war with the Lamb and the saints. Still think you want law?

That dragon, Satan, or Adam, is the one who gives this thing of law its power. God never at any time placed anyone under law. They chose this to their own destruction. They chose to worship that GOLDEN Calf. This thing is an image or idol of ADAM. He was that anointed Cherub, or calf.

Now lets examine a little more about this whore and see if it fits the modern teachings. Re 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

All nations have drunk of her wine and committed fornication with her. Now I ask you, Can this be said of Europe? Of Rome? Or Israel? Of America? No. Only one kingdom fits this, and that is the kingdom of humanity = Adam. Everyone has committed spiritual fornication with this human flesh. Only those who are cleansed by the blood of Jesus through Grace are free from this sin. All peoples [except the true Christians, under Jesus] are under law or that old covenant. It is the beast.

Read Lamentations. This tells in detail the fall of this OT. It is called Jerusalem or Judah here. But it really refers to this Adam kingdom. La 2:9 Her gates are sunk into the ground; he hath destroyed and broken her bars: her king and her princes are among the Gentiles: the law is no more; her prophets also find no vision from the LORD.

See here that the law and her prophets were cut off. Her king was cut off. Her gates, or the way to God through that OT Covenant, sunk into the ground. It is gone forever. That way will never be a way to God again. Only through the NT or Grace will one ever find the kingdom of God.

By: Jo Smith

 

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From: joieSent: 7/23/2005 1:22 AM
If anything ever clearifies who the mother of harlots is, this message does this.  There is no excuse to keep believing lies, if you study this message.
If You desire truth, study this.  Sure, that Catholic Church is part of this, BUT IN ORDER TO KNOW TRUTH, one must go back to the ORIGIN to know a true identification.
The ORIGIN of the Mother of Harlots is NOT that church but old Jerusalem.......to be more specific......that old LAW system.
 

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22Sent: 9/24/2005 8:55 PM
Every member of this group needs to study this great message.
Come out from under the delusions of the fake church.  learn truth.  flee the whore.  Run for your eternal lives.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 11/6/2006 11:22 PM
Purchased, this is the message I wanted you to read.  In fact, this entire board,   Church/Israel,  has a lot of  messages which clearfy this subject of Law or grace.
 
It reveals that the OT was the Babylon Harlot.
 
I know this is strange sounding doctrine, for the church has taught so much false stuff.  The church in Rev. has had no true revelation of the word.
 
Only the true Church in Acts had real power and revelation.
 
This is a marvelous message.  Mostly it came out of Exodus.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 6/15/2007 4:15 PM
Tweety and group,  I am sending this powerful and true, but unknown message back to the top, in hopes some of you will read this,  this time,  and learn that the Catholic Church,  although certainly included in the whore, is NOT the origin or the heart of this whore.
 
The very Jerusalem,  Israel nation, that most of you love and cherish and think is God's holy chosen people,  is this whore.
The other churches,  including the Catholics,  is only a branch of this great and horrible tree.
 
JO

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 7/13/2008 5:18 PM

Re 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

Mt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

What made them desolate? What was the abomination? That old law, which works wrath and death. God is a merciful God. He hated them driving him to set up this law, by which he had them killed for their disobedience. It made that old nation of Israel desolate. Yet the stupid church has set that old law right back up and is bringing people right back into that bondage and desolation. When you see it sitting in that church, where is the seat of Satan, then know that your desolation is nigh. When you see that LAW again, crowned with power, then your desolation is come.

Mt 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: Mt 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Why pray that your flight be not on the Sabbath day? Because they crowned that law again and will kill any who break that Sabbath day by traveling. It brought about all the tribulation on this earth. It is the enemy of your soul. Jesus took that enmity, (law) out of the way, but this foolish church brought it right back up again.

See, the early Apostles had to battle this same thing. They called it subverting their souls, to tell them had to go back to keeping the law of Moses. They called it bondage which none of them could bear. So why would a stupid church take it back up after Jesus set them free from that bondage? (Acts 15).

Mt 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

Mt 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

Mt 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

Moses�?seat is that ten commandment law. It binds heavy burdens and grievous to be borne and lay them on men’s shoulders. They themselves do not obey it. But to be under that law is the bondage. It is the seat of Moses.

Mt 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. Mt 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Mt 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: Mt 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Only a blind person could not see what the above is saying. Those Pharisees and priests, who held folks under that Moses�?law, were serpents, and vipers. They were headed to hell. They are the very ones who persecuted the New Church, who held to Grace.

But notice Verse 35. Here is where Jesus clearly identified this law bunch, Jerusalem, Old Jerusalem, the bond children, as being the mystery Babylon…the one who is guilty of all the righteous blood shed upon the earth. Same words spoken to Babylon in Rev. 17.

How long, oh you people, will you reject this clearly taught TRUTH?

Love,

Jo


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