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Church: Israel : The True Israel of God
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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22  (Original Message)Sent: 10/24/2005 4:00 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameIsaiah·</NOBR> Sent: 1/14/2004 6:01 PM
 

The True Israel of God

We the New Testament people, we are the true Israel of God. That is what is showing when the name of Jacob was changed from Jacob to Israel. Jacob is showing the Old Testament, that old Israel and Israel is showing the New Testament the new Israel. Now let’s go into the book of Genesis to see this.

Genesis 28 10 And Jacob went out from Beersheba, and went toward Haran.
11 And he lighted upon a certain place, and tarried there all night, because the sun was set; and he took of the stones of that place, and put them for his pillows, and lay down in that place to sleep

Now you need to see what he is talking about when he said the sun was set, and he took the stones and put them for his pillows, and laying down in that place to sleep.

The sun was set is showing that the sun went down on that Old Testament or that Old Israel, We not longer can serve God under that Old Testament Way, or the way that that old Israel served God.

Now let me try to show you where the sun went down on those Old Testament Prophets, Priests, and Kings. In other words the sunset, means that you cannot serve God under that Old Testament law.

Zec 11:8 - Three shepherds also I cut off in one month; and my soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred me. ( The three shepherds that God cut off were the Old Testament Prophets, Priests, and Kings. This was old Israel. God loathed them, in other words he was never satisfied with that old Israel and they abhorred him. In other words they detested him or hated God.

Still on verse 11**** And he took of the stones of that place, ( Old Testament or old Israel) and put them for his pillows, and lay down in that place to sleep. ( The stones that were his pillars were those Commandments that was wrote on stone and also the law, that old Israel, or Jacob. In other words his pillars or foundation was fixing to fall or they were going to be put to sleep as it was when Sampson shook the pillars of the temple and it fell down or was put to sleep. That is what the pillars are a foundation. He( Jesus) had to put the first man Adam ( Jacob or old Israel) to sleep to become the second man Adam ( Israel).

We need to see this spiritual and not natural. Also we need to see what I am fixing to say about the ladder.

Gen. 28: 12 And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it. Is this not what was said in John?

Joh 1:51 - And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.

Now to see what the ladder was. I hope you can see that this ladder was set up on the earth. This was Jesus as earthly man. In other words the footstone had become the headstone. This is the stone that the old Israel rejected.

Mr 12:10 - And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner

So to reach the top to heaven, we must be changed as Jesus was. We must have a name change. Jesus had to also have a name change. While here on earth he was Jesus the Son of Man( old Israel) and at the resurrection he was Jesus Christ the Son of God (new Israel). In other words he was the old Israel while on this earth and the new Israel at the resurrection. We must come into the new Israel a step at a time. That is what the ladder is showing. The ladder is Jesus Christ.

The ladder is showing that it is the only way that we can get to God. We must go by that ladder (Jesus Christ) to get to God. There is no other way. The ladder is showing the mediator between us and God.

1Ti 2:5 - For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; ( See the ladder here in this verse.

Jesus also said, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.( So I hope you can see that Jesus is the ladder. We must go by the ladder to get to God. Jesus was that ladder that reached from earth to heaven. He had to put the first man Adam (or Jacob, old Israel) to sleep to become the second man Adam ( Israel) the true sheep of God.

16 And Jacob awaked out of his sleep, and he said, Surely the LORD is in this place; and I knew it not.( Awake means to come alive. Awake also means that it was a new day of new move of God. This is showing Jesus Christ coming forth as the Son of God at the resurrection. This is showing the name change. He went from being the son of man to being the son of God. This is also showing the old Jacob ( old Israel) coming forth as Israel (the true Israel.)

17 And he was afraid, and said, How dreadful is this place! this is none other but the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven.( Now he said that this is the gate to heaven. What was the gate to heaven ? The ladder, of course. Now what is a gate? A gate is an entrance which is nothing but a door. Now that we know that Jesus is the ladder and the gate is a door let’s see what the door is.

Joh 10:9 *** I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. ( So we must enter in by the ladder which is the gate which is the door which is Jesus. This is the true Israel of God. The NT way of serving God.

Joh 10:1**** Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. ( Now this is showing the old Israel. If you trying to get to God by the old way you are trying to come in as a thief and a robber. In other words if you are going through Jacob (OT) you are trying to enter in under the blood of bulls and goats. That old Israel (or Jacob)

Genesis 28 18 And Jacob rose up early in the morning, and took the stone that he had put for his pillows, and set it up for a pillar, and poured oil upon the top of it.( See the rising up on the morning was showing a new day or as I had said before, a new move of God).

�?FONT size=4>And took the stone that he had put for his pillows�?( Before Jacob slept, he placed stones (plural) under his head, but when he woke up after his dream he took the stone that he had under his head (singular) and built it into an altar. This is showing that he was no longer under the headship of that old Israel but now he was under the headship of the true Israel of God. Now he was under the true pillar or the foundation which is Jesus Christ the Son of God.

Jesus Christ was that stone. That stone was the pillar or the foundation.

“And poured oil upon the top of it�?( Who was anointed in the Scriptures? This is showing the ANOINTING of Jesus.

Lu 4:18 - The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Ac 10:38 - How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

This is showing the true Israel of God. In the Old Testament it was the High Priest that was anointed but now Jesus has become our High Priest. He is that stone. This is the stone which became the head of the corner with the anointing. This is the True Israel of God.

Eph 2:20 - And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone. ( See that Jesus Christ was the stone?)

Gen 28:1919- And he called the name of that place Bethel: but the name of that city was called Luz at the first.
20 And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on,
21 So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the LORD be my God:
22 And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

This stone ( Jesus) which was set for a pillar( foundation) was the true Israel of God.

So you see why Jacob had to have a name change. He could not come in under the name of Jacob ( Old Israel) which means deceiver. He had to come in under the name Israel the true name of God. This is where God put his name.

And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel.

And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel. ( Jacob’s name was changed from "deceiver" to "Israel," which means, "God rules; or strives with God; or a prince of God;

The changing of a name in the ‘word�?I believe was showing a new move of God.

Romans 9
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

John 6 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

1 Corinthians 214 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

These verses tell us that the natural descendants of Abraham after the flesh are not the children of God.

The only chosen nation today are both Jews and Gentiles who have been born again by the Spirit of God and received the Holy Ghost and been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.

When you do this you take on a new name. This is the ones that are the true Israel of God.

1 Peter 29 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

These only "are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people" The True Israel of God.

Isaiah speaks and prophecies of the True Israel of God in his writings.

Isaiah 6014 The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee; The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.

Hebrews 12 shows the fulfilling of Isaiah’s prophecy of the true Israel of God.

Hebrews 1222 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

The chosen people of God are His blood-bought ones, and not one little nation in the Far East that lies in darkness and unbelief.  There is nothing Holy about the nation of Israel . Those were not the chosen Jews but all that are in the light and have come in under the name of Jesus Christ, we are the True Israel of God. We that are in grace the NT are the promise land.

 



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 Message 2 of 12 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22Sent: 10/24/2005 4:02 AM
From: joie Sent: 1/14/2004 10:08 PM
Eph. 2:10.  For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
 11.  Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
 
 12.  That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
 13.  But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
 
 14.  For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
 15.  Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
 16.  And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
 
 17.  And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
 18.  For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
 19.  Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
 
This Scripture tells us that Jesus took of the two peoples, the Jews and the Gentiles and brought them together as one body, the body of Christ and now they are no more twain, or two different peoples, but they are the same in Christ.
People who still try to make a difference in the Jews and the Gentiles are DESTROYING, or trying to destroy the work of Jesus.

See that he brought us together in ONE body taking away the enemity.
If you now separate them, you are trying to undo this.  The one new man Jesus made us into is the Christian Church.
We are not different any longer.  The Christians are the Israel of God.  The others are the synagogue of Satan.
 
This has been solidly proven here.  And there is much, much more.
Acts 15: 7.  And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
 8.  And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;

 9.  And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Here Peter declares that God joined us together and now makes no difference between us and them.  We are all one in Christ Jesus.
 
the natural Jews are the synagogue of Satan unless they come into Jesus Christ and then they are part of the new man, the Church Of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 3:21.  But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
 22.  Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
 
This is another place he shows that there is no difference in the people of God.  No difference. we are the Israel of God.  The Church is the Israel of God.

Romans 10: 12.  For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
No difference between the Jew and the Greek.  I hope you all get this important truth.
Since Pentecost there is no difference.  We are the People of God.
 
Romans 11: 26.  And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
 27.  For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
All Israel shall be saved.
Now think a minute.  Have not I solidly proven that the natural fleshly Israel are not the people of God?
then what does it mean they shall ALL be saved?  If they are the synagogue of Satan (and two scriptures said they were)
how can they be saved?
Nope. It means that all saved people are ISRAEL.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22Sent: 10/24/2005 4:03 AM
From: joie Sent: 1/14/2004 10:11 PM
Rev. 3: 9. Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Now see that here he is speaking to one of the seven churches. Why then is he concerned about some of them saying they are Jews and are not?

He tells them that the ones saying they are Jews and are not (the ones of the flesh; natural Jews; remember Paul said in Romans 2: 28 and 29 that he is NOT a Jew which is one outward). So here he is saying that some of the fleshly Jews are still trying to 'throw' their weight around, so to speak, by the fact that they were natural Jews; but see that Paul made it clear that they are NOT JEWS.

So Jesus will make them to come and bow at OUT feet and know that he LOVED US.

He denies those fleshly Jews. They are not his people. we are.

same chp. 12. Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

See here he calls his city the new Jerusalem. It has not one thing to do with the earthly Jerusalem. It is not of God.

Now one more proof: It takes two.

Rev. 2: 9. I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Now see he said it is blasphemy to say they are Jews and are NOT. They are the synagogue of Satan.

Brother this is strong stuff. God said here that those fleshly Jews, (remember they are NOT Jews which is one outwardly or in the flesh)

He said they are blaspheming to claim that what they are in the flesh makes them anything with God. to say that this makes them children of God.....
He said they are the synagogue of Satan.

Those natural, fleshly Jews are the synagogue of Satan.

Yet this whole church world practically worships them and still to this day thinks they are the true Jews, the true Israel and will fight a true Jew, a Christian over those synagogues of satan, the natural Jews which still reject Jesus Christ.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22Sent: 10/24/2005 4:05 AM
From: joie Sent: 1/14/2004 10:13 PM
Gal. 3: 7. Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
14. That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

26. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

See in Christ we are children of Abraham. In Christ there is NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, We are all ONE (means same or equal).

Romans 9:6. Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

7. Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

8. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

9. For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.

Verse 8--the children of the flesh are not the children of God.

See the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

This is the promise which Sarah and Issac represented = the heavenly Jerusalem, which is our mother.

We are the children of God; not the fleshly Jews. They are not counted for his children.

same chp. 24. Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25. As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26. And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

Now do you see that he quoted a Scripture here from Hosea. This speaks of the Gentiles which were once not the people of God that now they are the children of the living God. Peter also in his book quotes this and says the same thing.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22Sent: 10/24/2005 4:06 AM
From: joie Sent: 1/14/2004 10:14 PM
Galatians 4:21. Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

(here Paul is speaking to the churches which were already going back to the law. If you read in Acts you will find that Peter and the others told them they were NOT to keep the law of Moses).

22. For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

(this is speaking of Ishmael, born by Hagar and Issac by Sarah.)

23. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

( the one by the bondwoman was born after the flesh [not spiritual] but Issac by the freewoman was by promise)

24. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

( now here he makes it clear that these two women and two sons represent the two covenants, Law and Grace. The entire word of God deals with these two covenants.)


25. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

(Hagar represents Mt. Sinai where Moses received the law. Now what does this represent? She answers to the Jerusalem (natural) which NOW IS, and is in BONDAGE with her children.)

This is saying that in this allegory Hagar and Isamael represent the natural Jews and they are the bond children, still under law.

26. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

The Jerusalem WHICH IS ABOVE (NOT THE NATURAL JERUSALEM OVER IN ASIA) is free, which is the mother of us all. ALL. Everyone of God's true children.

27. For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

28. Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Paul is addressing the Christians here. We are the children of promise.

29. But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

(they, the natural Israel are the ones who persecuted the spiritual children. They are the ones who primarily killed the Christians. I will show a lot more on this a little later. It would be too much right now.)


30. Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

The Scripture said to cast out the bondwoman and her son = this is the natural Jerusalem. They are the bond children and shall not be heir with the children of the freewoman, the Jerusalem which is ABOVE. This is the Christians. We are the chosen People of God. We are the true Israel. We are the Jews. We are the freeborn.

31. So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

Here he is still speaking to the Christians. We are not the bondchildren. The natural Jerusalem which now is, they are the bondchildren.

Please take some time and study this in your Bible.

I will show another place which is even more clear than this.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22Sent: 10/24/2005 4:07 AM
From: joie Sent: 1/14/2004 10:17 PM
Romans 2: 28. For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29. But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


 Do not let preconceived false doctrine blind you to the truth of the word. Sure it is simple. Nothing I have written is complicated.

But when one reads it with false doctrine already settled in their minds, they are not immediately going to be able to open your spiritual eyes and 'see'.

Now the above verses tell us that the Jew is not in the outward man, or flesh, or what one was born in this life.

Paul said he is NOT a Jew who is one outward.
But he is a Jew who is one inward.

Maybe I need to just show a tiny bit at a time. But In the context of a full message the ground work is laid for the entire revelation.

Israel is a heavenly name of God. He calls his chosen people, the blood-washed NT Christian, Israel.

Now in Malachi as in all the Word, God speaks to both sets of people, the natural Israel and the spiritual Israel.

But let me show you another place where Paul made it clear that the natural Israel is not the children of God.

If you are willing to keep reading this, I can fully show this to you and you will rejoice with the revelation of the Word which will open up to you after you see this glory.

No, we cannot read the Scripture as if it is a history or novel book. It is spiritually written and it must be spiritually discerned. It must always be placed with other Scripture which reveals the full truth.

No one verse has the revelation of itself. It must be interpreted by other verses. That is the only way to find and prove what is really true.

That is why the Scripture is put together as it is.

I will send this and then do another one for you. maybe too much at a time confuses the issue?

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22Sent: 10/24/2005 4:08 AM
From: Isaiah Sent: 9/4/2005 6:16 PM

Joie here is something that I found that you did some time ago. Some of it may be a repeat but this is a good message that should be with this THREAD.


Yes Israel is on earth right now. It will always be on earth. But, know that 'Israel' does not mean any certain country on the earth. Israel was

a heavenly NAME of the Lord.

Proof? Yes!

Gen. 32:27. And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said,

Jacob.
28. And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

I will give you some referrences here; too much to copy and paste it; just go read it. In Is. 41 Israel is called God's servant, but it is speaking of Jesus, not the nation of Israel. See Israel was the heavenly name of the Lord long before Jacob existed. See that Jacob was the real name of the natural man; but his name was changed to go by the name of the Lord, which was Israel.

Isaiah 42

1. Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
2. He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.
3. A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
4. He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.
5. Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
6. I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
7. To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
8. I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another,neither my praise to graven images.

Please read the whole chapter. Here you will find that Jesus is being referred to as God's servant. This chapter proves beyond a doubt that the true servant of God is Jesus. No one else could fit this description.

Is. 43: 5. Fear not: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west;
6. I will say to the north, give up; and to the south, keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;
7.
Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
8. Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears.

See, this says those Israelites were called 'by MY NAME'. This establishes that Israel is actually the name of the Lord. See that Jacob was only called by the Lord's Name to show that for all time, God calls his people by His Own Name. That is why in the NT we must be called by the name of Jesus in Baptism.

No way around it. Israel is the true Christians. Yes, we are still on earth.

Heb. 8: 8. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9. Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

This can be speaking of no one except the NT Christians. See then that we are called Israel. We are the ones the New Covenant is with. We are Israel.

Romans 9: 6. Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
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Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

See not all the flesh children are Israel, but the spiritual seed of Isaac. The children of the promise are counted for the seed = Israel. The promise? That of salvation through Jesus Christ. so who inherited that? The Christians, of course.

Now for one more.

Romans 2:28. For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
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But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

He is not a Jew unless he is one inward.

Gal. 3:26. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
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And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

If ye be Christ's ye are Abraham's seed = Israel. See also then that we are the children of the promise? Making us the Israel of God. See, Israel, Jew, and Jerusalem are not nationality; they are spiritual; So is Hebrew. There was no such thing as a true nationality of Hebrews, Jews, Israelites, or Jerusalem. They are all names of the Lord and of the people of God, the Christians.

What could be plainer? and there are many more Scriptures proving this, but this is enough to prove this to anyone who wishes to know truth.



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From: MSN NicknameSearERICSent: 10/24/2005 4:59 PM
You can see from your post here why I prayed to Yahweh to reveal His true name to me, for the Creator's name is linked directly to our salvation.
 
Eric


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22Sent: 10/24/2005 9:52 PM
It's all in the Name of Jesus Christ.....and without him is no salvation.  without him is no way to God, his Father,  Jehovah.
 
thank God for the precious KJV true Word of God.
 
Have any of you ever read that beautiful and most perfectly worded praise to King James,,,by the very men who knew him personally and are the great men, who knew all the languages,  who were the very instruments God used to give His precious Word to us common English speaking people......the beautiful and majestic words they said to the beloved King James, when they had completed the glorious work of  giving the common people of the world the beautiful, life-giving Word of God in the common man's English?
 
It is in the preface of my Scripture.  I read it to my little granddaughter, Rachel, on Friday......and told her to never ever forget this.........those men knew the wonderful King James personally.....looked him in the eyes.....were so thankful to God for this blessed man who protected the Christians from further death and tortue by the evil popes and also proceed to build up the churches, and most of all, to protect and aid the knowledgeable men who were able to give and  EXACT translation from the original Words into the common man's English.......so we all,,,,,,,without excuse.....now have access to this glory.
 
I am telling you as I told Rachel,  no evil man,,,,,,as the King is slanderouslly accused of being,  received these words of the highest praise.  These men knew this King personally, and they gave him the hightest praise a man could have.  They even said the was next to God as the one whom had blessed them. 
 
Someday, when I am feeling like doing a lot of typing,  I would like to copy that wonderful speech and show it to you all.  No evil man received this great praise.  Those who speak evil and make up lies against king James, are those who did not know one thing about him, and who hate this glorious word of truth.
 
I will most gladly accept the majestic words of these men who knew the King personally.
 
Thank and Praise God for King James.  May his legacy  last forever.
 
JO

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From: ItriedSent: 11/13/2005 8:48 PM
Now let me try to show you where the sun went down on those Old Testament Prophets, Priests, and Kings. In other words the sunset, means that you cannot serve God under that Old Testament law.---from message.....
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now this is something to study about.  the sun went down on those ot prophets etc.  i will try to get the understanding of this.  hum..cannot serve god under that law  ...no prophets.....no priests and no kings?  is that it?

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn22Sent: 6/5/2006 11:36 PM
This is a great one to study.  Just who is the true Israel?  So few know.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 8/9/2008 2:28 AM
Take a good look in the good Book, of which is the Words of Eternal life.

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