Freeborn,

This is very interesting. Judah was a women in GEN. I think she was a harlot. Not sure. I see something in Gen. and I don't know how to say it.  Look and see.  Tweety

 

Book	Description	Context
KJV	Ge 29:35 He meets Rachel by the well	35 And she conceived again, and bare a son: and she said, Now will I praise the LORD: therefore she called his name Judah; and left bearing.
KJV	Ge 35:23 Rachel bears Benjamin and dies	23 The sons of Leah; Reuben, Jacob's firstborn, and Simeon, and Levi, and Judah, and Issachar, and Zebulun:
KJV	Ge 37:26 His two dreams	26 And Judah said unto his brethren, What profit is it if we slay our brother, and conceal his blood?
KJV	Ge 38:1 Judah begets Er, Onan, and Shelah	Judah begets Er, Onan, and Shelah
KJV	Ge 38:1 Judah begets Er, Onan, and Shelah	1 And it came to pass at that time, that Judah went down from his brethren, and turned in to a certain Adullamite, whose name was Hirah.
KJV	Ge 38:2 Judah begets Er, Onan, and Shelah	2 And Judah saw there a daughter of a certain Canaanite, whose name was Shuah; and he took her, and went in unto her.
KJV	Ge 38:6 Judah begets Er, Onan, and Shelah	6 And Judah took a wife for Er his firstborn, whose name was Tamar.
KJV	Ge 38:8 Judah begets Er, Onan, and Shelah	8 And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.
KJV	Ge 38:11 Judah begets Er, Onan, and Shelah	11 Then said Judah to Tamar his daughter in law, Remain a widow at thy father's house, till Shelah my son be grown: for he said, Lest peradventure he die also, as his brethren did. And Tamar went and dwelt in her father's house.
KJV	Ge 38:12 Judah begets Er, Onan, and Shelah	12 And in process of time the daughter of Shuah Judah's wife died; and Judah was comforted, and went up unto his sheepshearers to Timnath, he and his friend Hirah the Adullamite.
KJV	Ge 38:15 Judah begets Er, Onan, and Shelah	15 When Judah saw her, he thought her to be an harlot; because she had covered her face.
KJV	Ge 38:20 Judah begets Er, Onan, and Shelah	20 And Judah sent the kid by the hand of his friend the Adullamite, to receive his pledge from the woman's hand: but he found her not.
KJV	Ge 38:22 Judah begets Er, Onan, and Shelah	22 And he returned to Judah, and said, I cannot find her; and also the men of the place said, that there was no harlot in this place.
KJV	Ge 38:23 Judah begets Er, Onan, and Shelah	23 And Judah said, Let her take it to her, lest we be shamed: behold, I sent this kid, and thou hast not found her.
KJV	Ge 38:24 Judah begets Er, Onan, and Shelah	24 And it came to pass about three months after, that it was told Judah, saying, Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot; and also, behold, she is with child by whoredom. And Judah said, Bring her forth, and let her be burnt.
KJV	Ge 38:26 Judah begets Er, Onan, and Shelah	26 And Judah acknowledged them, and said, She hath been more righteous than I; because that I gave her not to Shelah my son. And he knew her again no more.
KJV	Ge 43:3 Jacob is persuaded to send Benjamin	3 And Judah spake unto him, saying, The man did solemnly protest unto us, saying, Ye shall not see my face, except your brother be with you.
KJV	Ge 43:8 Jacob is persuaded to send Benjamin	8 And Judah said unto Israel his father, Send the lad with me, and we will arise and go; that we may live, and not die, both we, and thou, and also our little ones.
KJV	Ge 44:14 Joseph's policy to delay his brothers	14 And Judah and his brethren came to Joseph's house; for he was yet there: and they fell before him on the ground.
KJV	Ge 44:16 Joseph's policy to delay his brothers	16 And Judah said, What shall we say unto my lord? what shall we speak? or how shall we clear ourselves? God hath found out the iniquity of thy servants: behold, we are my lord's servants, both we, and he also with whom the cup is found.
KJV	Ge 44:18 Joseph's policy to delay his brothers	18 Then Judah came near unto him, and said, Oh my lord, let thy servant, I pray thee, speak a word in my lord's ears, and let not thine anger burn against thy servant: for thou art even as Pharaoh.
KJV	Ge 46:12 He journeys to Egypt	12 And the sons of Judah; Er, and Onan, and Shelah, and Pharez, and Zerah: but Er and Onan died in the land of Canaan. And the sons of Pharez were Hezron and Hamul.
KJV	Ge 46:28 Joseph comes to meet his father	Joseph comes to meet his father
KJV	Ge 49:8 Jacob calls his sons to bless them	8 Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy father's children shall bow down before thee.
KJV	Ge 49:9 Jacob calls his sons to bless them	9 Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up?
KJV	Ge 49:10 Jacob calls his sons to bless them	10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.

OK, Tweety.  I read them.  What is it that you are seeing?

Good Afternoon Freeborn,

I believe Rachel in is the Righteous line of the seed of the women. Tamar I believe was I think was not part of the righteous line. It is very strange that Tamar would name her child JUDAH. I may have to study out Tamar again. To see if she was the line of the righteous seed.  Gen 38:15 is like the people of JUDAH. All of this is like types and shadows as you call it.  I will have to study this some more and let you know. I was studying the sins of JUDAH yesterday. BOY! They really were bad. Covering ones face means shame. The people of Judah are like harlots, and they should cover their face because of shame of what they have done against GOD.

Tweety

No, Tweety.  Tamar did not name her child Judah.  Judah was the father of her children.

 

He confessed, She was more righteous than I.

 

Yes, I think she would be in the righteous line.  She did the thing, not for evil, but because he did not give her his promised son, to raise up seed to his dead brother.  She was righteous.

You are correct Freeborn. She was righteous. This is what I have so far in the RIGHTEOUS LINE FROM EVE: (Mother of all living).  This line is before the flood.

 

1. (Eve)

2. Seth

3. Enos

4. Cainan

5. Mahaleel

6. Jared

7. Enoch

8. Methuselah

9. Lamech

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That is the way to get it, Tweety.  Keep this kind of studying up and God will greatly bless you and use you for his kingdom.

Took out that long 'return' post.  Not because of who it was from, but because of the long 'sent back' mumbojumbo