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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 7/16/2008 11:34 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR>  (Original Message) Sent: 5/27/2008 6:57 PM

Chapter five:

Lam. 5:1Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us; consider, and behold our reproach.

This is their acknowledgment of their having been made a reproach by God.

V2- [important verse-]-Our Inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens.

These ‘strangers�?are the New T. Ministers and Christians. So this shows that they are now the ones who have inherited the things of God. Their ‘houses�?means their places of ‘worship�? so now, that has gone over to the New T. Church = the body of Christ.

V3-We are orphans and fatherless, our mothers are as widows.

This is spiritual talk--it is not speaking of them as natural widows and orphans; it is speaking of the fact that God has divorced and rejected them. Now, they are no longer His wife and His Children. They are no longer the PEOPLE OF GOD.

This is too much in the Word of God, for so many people to miss this.

Read Isaiah 47 in connection with this study; it is full of the same meanings. This is speaking of when God cut off mystery ‘Babylon�?= old Jerusalem. = Law = old covenant.

V1- tells how he put her into the dust = out of his presence = into being the serpent’s meat. = Cut off from God.

He speaks of her nakedness being uncovered. In our last study, it spoke of his destroying those who became naked. This is the one he speaks of.

V5--Sit thou SILENT, and get thee into darkness, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called, the lady of kingdoms.

Now, most people will miss that this speaks of old Jerusalem - they will place it on the Catholic Church [which is the same thing] -- but when you see that Jesus called Jerusalem the DESOLATE one who killed all the people of God --there can be no doubt that this is speaking of the old ‘wife�?of God being put away. She is told here to be SILENT -- in other words, do not TEACH anymore, OT.

Also God showed me that this is tied to the Scripture where Paul told them your women keep silence. See it was because those churches went back to the old covenant of law. Picking back up the law once again polluted them. So since this was the law, and they became again that old done away with covenant, which had been told to be silent, it truly means that none of them, men or women could speak, or do the teaching and preaching. Since they had gone back to law, they could not teach. They have been rejected by God and told to be silent. What a pity and shame that so many have misunderstood Paul’s words and meaning and forbid true Christian women from doing the ministry which God called them to do. In the Word ‘women�?represent the churches; the nations. So it is these ‘law churches�? women, which he said to keep silence. It is not referring to Christian Women. It means these law churches; these law nations.

V6 shows that God was angry with them; we have already proven this. Then look at verse nine-But these two things shall come to thee in a moment in one day, the loss of children, and widowhood:

Did we not just read that they were the orphans and widows? See, then that this is the same one being spoken of in Lam.

V4 of Lam. 5-- We have drunken our water for money; our wood is sold unto us.

This shows they had been partaking of the mark of the beast in buying the word. In the OT they had been robbed by their leaders by having to pay for the things of God. Now again the church has polluted herself and began charging to give out the bread and water of the Word. This is your PAID preachers, or the hirelings. So those not knowing truth have fallen again into this trap of having to ‘buy�?their water and wood and bread.

V5- our necks are under persecution: we labour, and have no rest.

They ‘labor�?at the works of the law which God had done away with. But they refused to leave that and come into true rest, that of the Holy Ghost. So they have no ‘rest�? See, then that the OT did not give them a true REST?

V6-We have given the hand to the Egyptians, and to the Assyrians, to be satisfied with bread.

The Egyptians and the Assyrians always typed Satan and the world in the word. So here we have them going into the false churches for help; but to no avail. They helped these false churches prosper, but it did not feed them spiritually. Now I know some will say this is not in this verse; but you must see that these things are used in a symbolical sense; as is the rest of the Word of God.

V7- Our fathers have sinned, and are not; and we have borne their iniquities.

Their fathers started with Adam. They sinned against God and are not. But it came on down unto the fake church still clinging to the law. They are the children of the OT fathers. So they have born their iniquities because they are just as guilty as their fathers of sinning against God are. They tried to blame it on their fathers and thus accuse God of injustice. But see they bore their own sins. God had said everyone shall die for his or her own sins. So they are being punished for their own sins, which is the same sin as their fathers.

V8--Servants have ruled over us: there is none that doth deliver us out of their hand.

This is great -- it shows the Servants of Jesus = the N.T. ministers, had the ruler ship over that old law group of people; and no one could deliver them out of their hand and take them back to their place with God under that old covenant.

V9--shows that those who tried to receive spiritual ‘bread�?out of that old way now, endanger their own lives. The ‘sword of the wilderness�?was the New Testament message.

V10--Our skin was black like an oven because of the terrible famine.

This shows there was nothing left in that Old Testament but spiritual starvation.

V11- they ravished the women in Zion, and the maids in the cities of Judah.

This is speaking of the NT ministers seeking to convert the people of the OT. They won many of them to Jesus and this is how they ‘ravished�?them.

V12-- Princes are hanged up by their hand: the faces of elders were not honoured.

They do not honour that OT group of leaders any longer.

V13--They took the young men to grind, and the children fell under the wood.

Grinding represents making bread, or teaching doctrine. Read in Is. 47. So this shows that the young men were taught to receive and teach the new truth of Grace. The ‘young�?ones means the ones who came into the ‘new�?covenant. New is ‘young�? So now only the ‘young�?or new ones can teach. The others are told to keep silence.

V14--The elders have ceased from the gate, the young men from their musick.

This shows that those OT leaders are no longer the ‘gateway�?to God; and the joy of that old way is no longer. Read Rev. 18.

v15--The joy of our heart is ceased; our dance is turned into mourning. This fits the destruction of old Babylon in Rev. 18

V16-- [this is powerful to understanding this message]--The crown is fallen from our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned!

And Rev. 18-that they are now no longer the ‘queen�?of God. Their ‘crown�? or place of ruler ship, has been taken away from them and given to a nation bearing the fruits thereof = the New Church. They came under this ‘woe�?because they sinned in rejecting the change from the OT to the NT.

V17--For this our heart is FAINT; for these things our EYES ARE DIM.

See, they ‘fainted�?= did not hold out spiritually - they did not wait upon the Lord and follow where He led. So, their spiritual ‘eyes were dim�? they cannot see or know spiritual truth. They do not ‘hear�?what the Spirit says to the Churches.

V18--Because of the mountain of Zion, which is DESOLATE, the foxes walk upon it.

This shows that old T. Zion is now the DESOLATE ONE. There can be no doubt that Jesus pronounced this as being Jerusalem or the OT law covenant. The foxes are that which spoils the vines; so they are now ‘spoiled�?or desolate.

V19--Thou, O LORD, remainest for ever; thy throne from generation to generation.

This is great: they have been told that their ‘crown�?has fallen; [they are no longer the ruler for God] - but they must acknowledge that His throne will never end. He is now king to the NT. He moved from that old generation ~ to the New Generation of Grace. Glory to God!

V20- [Please take special note of this verse] ~Wherefore dost thou forget us FOR EVER, and forsake us SO LONG TIME?

Here, they show that God forsook that old way FOR EVER. He has NOT ~AND WILL NOT EVER TURN BACK TO THAT WAY OR THEM ~ AS THE PEOPLE OF GOD! If so, this verse would not be right.

V21--Turn thou us unto thee, O LORD, and we shall be turned; renew our days as of old.

See, they make one last attempt the get God to accept them back as the people of God; to take back that old way of law; but He rejects this attempt to change him from his determination to turn to Grace.

V22--But thou hast UTTERLY REJECTED US; thou art VERY WROTH AGAINST US.

Marvelous way for this book to end!

UTTERLY REJECTED THAT OLD COVENANT AS THE GATE TO HEAVEN ~ OR GOD ~ OR THE CITY OF GOD.

PEOPLE, YOU CANNOT GET TO GOD THROUGH THESE FORSAKEN GATES OF LAW AND OLD COVENANT; OLD JERUSALEM. IT IS ENDED. IT IS FORSAKEN FOREVER.

WHAT MORE NEED BE SAID?

He that hath ears to hear let him hear what the Spirit says to the CHURCHES.

By: Jo Smith



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 Message 2 of 5 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 8/19/2008 12:41 AM
Here is a good and truthful poem, posted by Bro Bryan:
 
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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameBro_Bryan</NOBR>  (Original Message) Sent: 7/24/2007 10:33 PM
THE CHURCH AND THE WORLD---DECEIVED !
 
The church and the world once walked apart
On the changing shores of time.
For according to God's Holy Bible,
The church and world don't rhyme.
How can two walk together,
Unless they be agreed?
How can a Christian love the world,
Unless he be DECEIVED?
 
The Bible says love not the world,
neither the things therein.
Although some try to walk with God,
While they still live in sin.
Unequally yoked they walk on,
Hand in hand agreed,
The church and the world, the best of friends,
DECEIVING and being DECEIVED.
 
Many are called, but few are chosen
To walk salvation's trail.
Though multitudes have filled the pews,
They're just dressed up for HELL !
They tickle their ears and scratch their backs,
Before they have believed.
And add them to the Church of God,
How sad, so many DECEIVED !
 
They build their empires to the sky,
To show the works of man.
They brag and hammer with the world,
Though they build on sinking sand.
Their vast domains will tumble down,
Though now they can't conceive,
That eternity will soon reveal
That the so-called church was DECEIVED !
 
They preach the love of Jesus,
Without the wrath of God.
They're trying to walk the middle
Where Jesus never trod.
He preached Repent ! or Perish !
Today they preach, believe.
And multitudes are going to church
And going to Hell, DECEIVED !
 
Down through the bloody trail of time
Our fathers fought the fight
Proclaimed the holy Word of God,
Stood up for what was right.
Today we've lowered our standards,
The Bible is not believed.
There is a way that seemeth right,
Someone is sure DECEIVED !
 
Religion cannot satisfy
The sinful heart of men.
The soul cannot be pacified,
"Ye must be born again."
You must repent of all your sins,
Before you can believe !
Turn from your wicked ways to Christ !
Or go to Hell--DECEIVED !

- A.W Tozer


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 8/19/2008 12:42 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 7/25/2007 12:02 AM
This is certainly a true message.  I used to listen to Bro. Tozer on the radio.  I really enjoyed his ministry.
 
Only God can reveal the true deception of this church in our land today.
God said the HEATHEN worship, or serve  wood and stone.
there is where the 'church' is........it is all about the works of man,  wood and stone  = church buildings.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 8/19/2008 12:48 AM
Here is another needed article Bro Bryan posted.  But as I said,  where are any who will hear the truth when it is presented?  I study, and I pray, and have the burning desire to teach others this truth, and get them on fire for God.  But who can hear?  Where did he run?
 
Here it is:
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From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameBro_Bryan</NOBR>  (Original Message) Sent: 7/24/2007 9:46 PM

I’ve been amazed at how many Christians are running from church to church and from meeting to meeting looking for prophetic words from the Lord. I’ve seen those who are not content to have just one word per week; they must have more and more and more! They run around like “prophetic word addicts,�?seeking out the prophets of God as if they are Holy Ghost vending machines. If they push the right button, they can receive exactly what they want to hear from these so-called men and women of God. Some are even willing to pay money to false prophets to receive a word from “another Jesus.�?

What’s going on in the body of Christ today? Are we not yet able to discern between the evil and the good? Are we not yet mature enough to hear God for ourselves? Why do we spend so much time seeking “a�?word from the Lord instead of seeking The Word? Answer: It takes effort to seek The Word. It takes effort to read and study the Bible when we’re tired and our flesh is rising up against it. It takes effort to get on our faces before God and cry out to Him until the heavens are opened and His glory comes pouring down.

Many of us are people who have grown up in an instant gratification generation. We’ve been spoiled with new technology, fast food restaurants and quick fix methods. We find pleasure sitting in front of the television with a TV remote control in one hand and a VCR remote control in the other hand. We flip channels until we drive everybody in the house crazy. We don’t ever have to get up out of our lazy boy chairs because everything is “at hand.�?Everything is convenient. When we want something to eat, we can just get in the car and drive to the nearest fast food restaurant. Do we go into the restaurant to order our food? Of course not! We can just cruise through the drive-thru. Why waste time and effort going inside when we can get it in a more “convenient�?manner. After all, our flesh is hungry and we need to satisfy it as soon as possible. It’s time that we learn how to crucify the flesh and submit to the authority and power of the Holy Spirit.

The Lord has prepared a banqueting table for us in the presence of our enemies. Why are we not taking the time to dine with our Master and our King? Who or what is distracting us from spending quality time with the One who gave His life for us? Who or what has caused us to pull away from the banqueting table? Who is deceiving us and causing us to live a life far apart from our source of living water and strength? Could it be that we have allowed our self-centeredness to become our guide instead of allowing the Holy Spirit to be the One who guides us into a life of victorious living? Could it be that some of us are being deceived by our own sinful nature and wishes? Could it be that fleshly thoughts and desires rule our hearts and minds because we have chosen to neglect that which is most “needful?�?Have we allowed ourselves to become like Martha instead of allowing ourselves to become more like Mary when it comes to spending time at the feet of Jesus?

The cry of my heart has been for the body of Christ to rise up and wake up. Every single one of us has an area or areas in our lives that desperately needs a touch from God. There are places in our souls that He longs to restore and revive if we will only be willing to allow Him to do so. We must lay aside the things of the world and the pleasures of sin so that we can be transformed into His image.

There are many deceivers and false prophets in the world today, but in the midst of all the deception and fraud the Lord is revealing Himself as Faithful and True. He is raising up true prophets, apostles, pastors, teachers and evangelists who will walk in the reverential fear and power of God. They will speak the oracles of God with holy boldness and conviction of heart. They will not bow down to the pharisaical expectations and wishes of men, but they will take a firm uncompromising stand for the Gospel of Jesus Christ and what they know to be true. Many of these chosen warriors will give their lives for the cause of Christ. They will burn with holy zeal, purity of heart and passion for the lost. They will have single vision for God’s purposes to be accomplished in their lives and in the lives of those whom they minister to. Their mouths will speak the rhema word of God and it will flow like liquid fire from their lips bringing deliverance and salvation to those who have been held captive by Satan’s power. The world will hear the Gospel message and they will have a chance to repent and be saved. All things will be done decently and in order according to God’s glorious plan. The enemy will not win the coming battle, because the Lord already has been declared the victorious King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

It’s time for the church to arise and take their rightful positions in the body of Christ. God’s not looking for wimps. He’s looking for warriors. He desires to give us a “cause�?to live for and a “cause�?to die for. Are you looking for a “cause�?today? If so, just look to Jesus. He has everything you need in order to fulfill your destiny in this life.


Author Unknown

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 8/19/2008 12:50 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 7/24/2007 11:59 PM
Hello, BroBryan,
 
I am glad to see you joined here and are now posting.  I always like to see the members join in and carry the Word of God and try to help bring people into the nurture and admonition of the Word of God.
 
this is a very good article you posted.  Yet it seems the author is STILL looking forward to someone getting into high gear with God.
 
Well all I can say is,  I have studied the Word of God almost all my life and I search and seek for the TRUTH of God, not man.  I study and pray, and know what?  God answers me.  He gives me revelation of the Word of God.
 
but know what else?  finding someone who will listen, believe it and feed upon it is nigh to impossible.
See, they do not even recognize the truth of God when it is presented, because they have fed on the false junk of man so long....
and...as it stated, are content to live in front of the TV, or other entertainment.
 
They will not wake up, no matter how much we beg and wear our own selves out trying to teach the truth.
 
But I hope you do desire the truth of God's Word and we can get into it together.  I have thousands of truthful messages in this group.  Avail yourself of any of them.
 
It is the food from Heaven, sent to me by God himself.
 
Jo
p.s.  Me, today:   I say when the 'church' folks wake up and STOP PAYING A MAN TO PREACH, the 'pulpits' will EMPTY,  and then those who truly have a message from God and love God and his people, will fill them without price or money, and the truth will come forth.

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