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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 10/30/2006 9:42 PM
From: joie  (Original Message) Sent: 4/10/2003 2:40 PM

 

 

~~ The Importance of a Woman's Hair ~~

~ The Importance of a Woman’s Hair ~

Ezekiel 16: 1. Again the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

2. Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations,

3. And say, Thus saith the Lord God unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite.

4. And as for thy nativity, in the day thou wast born thy navel was not cut, neither wast thou washed in water to supple thee; thou wast not salted at all, nor swaddled at all.

5. None eye pitied thee, to do any of these unto thee, to have compassion upon thee; but thou wast cast out in the open field, to the lothing of thy person, in the day that thou wast born.

6. And when I passed by thee, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live; yea, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live.

7. I have caused thee to multiply as the bud of the field, and thou hast increased and waxen great and thou art come to excellent ornaments: thy breasts are fashioned, and thine hair is grown, whereas thou wast naked and bare. (See without grown hair, she was naked and bare.)

Now in verse 7 God is telling Jerusalem, who is likened to a comely and delicate WOMAN, that by his causing them to ‘live�?and blessing them, their HAIR IS GROWN.

See before he found her and blessed her, her HAIR WAS NOT GROWN. Then the long or grown hair was and is a sign of His Blessing upon a woman or Church or Nation.

8. Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord God, and thou becamest mine.

9. Then washed I thee with water; yea, I throughly washed away thy blood from thee, and I anointed thee with oil.

This is showing the blessing God gave Jerusalem (the true Church) at Pentecost --- he washed them and made them clean; gave them life; caused their hair to grow out; anointed them with the oil of the Holy Ghost; and beautified them with salvation.

That is what all these verses are showing. It is figurative language showing the true Spiritual condition after Pentecost. So by this, for a woman to cut off her hair is showing that they have turned away back from the Pentecost blessing and salvation. Don’t be deceived; this is of more importance than any of us realize!

10. I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk.

11. I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck.

12. And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head.

13. Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom.

14. And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee saith the Lord God.

15. But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.

16. And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon: the like things shall not come, neither shall it be so.

17. Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them,

18. And tookest thy broidered garments and coveredst them: and thou hast set mine oil and mine incense before them.

1Tim. 2: 9. In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

10. But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

1 Peter 3: 1. Likewise, ye wives be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;

2. While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.

3. Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;

4. But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

Now in the above Scriptures we have both Peter and Paul, the two main Apostles agreeing as the two witnesses needed to confirm this teaching, that women must not plait or broid their hair. Why? This would be doing away with the ‘covering�? See that in verse 4 he spoke of these things as ‘ornaments�? This is showing same thing Eze. Is speaking of, that they took the blessings God gave them and made them into idols and offered them is worship of idols.

People this is staggering in its true meaning: it is saying they took the Holy Ghost, the oil, and the grown hair and turned them into idols. They did this by making dead church services instead of the life of the H.G. They took their grown hair and cut it off and curled and plated it up and balled it up on their heads to make themselves sexy and lustful. They (the church) took the gifts of the Holy Ghost which he had anointed them with and refused them, turning instead to doctors and such. They denied the things of God and turned to the worldly things He had rescued them from!

This is an abomination to the Living God and a spit in his face. It causing shame to be upon his blessing.

 

1 Corinthians 11:1. Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

2. Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.

3. But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

4. Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered dishonoureth his head.

5. But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

6. For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

Look up ‘shorn�? It is the past tense of cut. So this is saying if she wears her hair in such a way as to not be covering her, then she just may as well cut it off; for that is the same thing as if she cut it or shaved her head. So women who do not cut their hair but still pin it up on top of her head, is the same thing to God as if she shaved her head. This is powerful stuff. This is declaring that it is a shame for a woman to pray or prophecy without having long hair covering her. Yes it does mean hanging down, for if she be not covered let her cut it off. It she is not covered with it, it is the same thing as shaving her head.

7. For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch, as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

8. For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.

9. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

10. For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

11. Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.

12. For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.

13. Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?

14. Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

15. But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

16. But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

It certainly does have a spiritual meaning; it is showing that she is ‘covered�?with His Spirit and washed from her sins. Yet, IF SHE BE NOT COVERED THIS WAY, in the natural then it is showing that she is not covered in the Spirit. The invisible things of God are clearly SEEN by the things which DO APPEAR. In other words, the visible things show the invisible; so if she is not covered by her hair, which God gave her for a ‘covering�?then she (the Church) is not covered with His Spirit and are yet in their sins and blood.

The Word was not speaking of what is physically beautiful. It is speaking of what is lovely to GOD -- NOT MAN. God said it is not even comely for a woman to pray to God with her head UNCOVERED. He said that not me. He also is saying that if any man wants to settle these things by arguing, things are not done this way in the church. Things are settled by the Word of God given by His Apostles. Paul had plainly told them to go by His Word in the Churches.

Look up comely - it means (and I am quoting my dictionary)-- pleasurably conforming to notions of good appearance, suitability, or proportion. 2. Having a pleasing appearance: not homely or plain.

See than, that this is saying to God long hair on the woman is what is pleasing to him. It said in ‘appearance�? Now this means what you look like on the outside! It also has to do with the inside - for it shows that one is willing to do what pleases God and not themselves.

This is saying women who are willing to live their lives to please God, will joyfully wear the long hair which God said is her power and glory and her covering. He said she ought to have POWER ON HER HEAD BECAUSE OF THE ANGELS.

Now there is no power when the hair is cut or pinned up on top of the head. Evil angels can get in to do harm to all of us because of this covering not being there. Why do you think so much evil crime is done against little girls and women? Just because they cut off the covering which protected them.

The good angels will not protect when one is in rebellion to God. I know this from the Word and from personal experience.

Now for an O.T. Scripture to show this in the types and shadows which we must look to for the pure proof:

Ex. 26: 7. And thou shalt make curtains of goats' hair to be a covering upon the tabernacle: eleven curtains shalt thou make.

Now in the making of their tabernacle there are full types of the New Testament Church. It is just beautiful. I hope soon to do a study on this. But right now I will only use this one verse. After they had made the beautiful tabernacle they were told to make these curtains of goats�?hair to be a covering upon the tabernacle. Now this tabernacle is shown by the woman - the Church- the New Jerusalem.

So see that it had to have a covering of hair? Why would God cause them to go to the trouble to make 11 Curtains of goats�?hair to cover this gorgeous tabernacle? Because it is the type of His true Church, of which the woman is the true type in the N.T. Therefore should the woman have this hair covering for she shows the glory of her head. Her head is her husband; his head is Christ; his head is God. So it goes all the way up to the top of the authority head, which is God. So to cut off her hair is to dishonor herself (the Church), her head all the way up through Christ to God.

You think this is UNIMPORTANT? ---- WELL THEN READ THIS:

Jer. 7: 27. Therefore thou shalt speak all these words unto them; but they will not hearken to thee: thou shalt also call unto them; but they will not answer thee.
28. But thou shalt say unto them, This is a nation that obeyeth not the voice of the Lord their God, nor receiveth correction: truth is perished, and is cut off from their mouth.


29. Cut off thine hair, O Jerusalem, and cast it away, and take up a lamentation on high places; for the Lord hath rejected and forsaken the generation of his wrath.


30. For the children of Judah have done evil in my sight, saith the Lord: they have set their abominations in the house which is called by my name, to pollute it.

God said even when we speak all these words they will not obey them. This nation obeys not the voice of the Lord their God, nor receives correction. TRUTH IS PERISHED, and is cut off from their mouth. (Modern day churches and America)

V29. God likened nations to women. So what fits them fits us. Cut of thine hair --- and cast it away ---.... For the Lord hath rejected and forsaken this generation.

Now, if it is not important, why did he tell her to cut off her hair and cast it away? This proves that when the hair is cut of and cast away they are exactly where this Jerusalem was at that time, - disobeying God enough to cause him to reject and forsake them ----

See the angels will no longer encamp around this person and PROTECT THEM.

May you open your blinded eyes and HEAR THE WORD OF THE LORD.

This reverses what God had done for them in Eze. 16. There at her birth, He washed her, gave her many ‘gifts�?and caused her HAIR TO BE GROWN.

This was her GLORY. But now she is polluted in idol worship, rebelling against all that God loved and commanded, and her glory is departed; so He told her to cut off her hair and cast it away from her for her glory had departed from her.

And you say this is trivial and unimportant? My, such darkness!

Don’t tell me this is UNIMPORTANT! This proves you have nothing but a darkened, carnal mind. You see not as God sees. You cannot speak for him. It is dangerous to speak from your own mind.

When I was going to the dances a few years back and not living for God as I used to, I was in a bad wreck in which one woman was killed. It took me a whole year to get over the pain in my body.

Now before that, I had been in lots of very near wrecks which I know only God could have prevented. So I knew when this one happened, God was warning me I had better get my live back in line with Him, OR ELSE.

I did not need another 'chastising'. One was always enough for me. I know my God let me know I had better repent or His protection would no longer be with me. I do not want to live in this earth without His protection.

I have seen plenty of proof since then that His protection is back with me.

That is my only reason for this cry in the darkness, Women let your hair grow out and leave it down as a covering --- wear only holy godly garments - don't drive the Spirit of God out of your life.

But without the Holy Ghost, none of this will avail you anything. Receive ye the Holy Ghost.

By: Jo Smith

April 10, 2003

 



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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 10/30/2006 10:05 PM
(These are just some replies to some of the stuff some members slung at us over this message:)

From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn22</NOBR> Sent: 9/28/2005 10:44 PM
<NOBR>1Cor 11:5</NOBR> But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
<NOBR>1co 11:6</NOBR> For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.


How could not having a vail over her head be the same as if she were shaven?

How can you read a veil into this?  It is clearly speaking of her long hair.  it is saying that unless her long hair hangs down, to cover her, that to God is the same thing as if she shaved her head.

<NOBR>1co 11:10</NOBR> For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels


How is laying a piece of cloth over her head going to give her any power?

<NOBR>1co 11:14</NOBR> Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
<NOBR>1co 11:15</NOBR> But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
<NOBR>1co 11:16</NOBR> But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.


Even nature teaches that for a man to have long hair, it is a shame to him.......now do you think this is saying that for a man to hang his head down it shames him?  I truly do not think this is even implied here.  Why are so many people fighting this truth?  Why do you all wish for the woman to cut off her glory and power?  I say it is the same old evil spirit in Adam, that of wanting to bring her AGAIN into subservient.

 

She most certainly is NOT  there in Christ, or the NT.  She was never placed there by God, but only as punishment for obeying Adam instead of God.

<NOBR>1co 11:5</NOBR> But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.


That is even all one as if she were shaven.  This said that if she is uncovered with her hair, it is the same thing to God as if she shaved her head.  It has NOT ONE THING TO DO WITH A PIECE OF CLOTH.

It has not one thing to do with bowing his head!  Come on.  Deal sensibly with the Word of God, not with made up junk.


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 10/30/2006 10:06 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn22</NOBR> Sent: 9/29/2005 5:54 PM
Remt.  first of all let me say, you have no idea how I study, now much, nor the fact that man has not taught me anything which I now know and teach.  I say with Paul, I neither received it of man, nor was taught it by man,,,,,,,but solely by the Spirit and Word of God.
 
I honestly have never heard anyone else who teaches what I do.  Now I have run into some others, who are dead now, who did teach the rapture is a lie.  I never heard that man's teachings until LONG AFTER I WAS TEACHING THIS MYSELF.  That man was Bill Britton.  I never heard him in person, only read some of his messages on computer.
 
Now about the hair as a covering,  I ask, why did you not look up 'hair' in the Strong's?  I did.
It goes to the Greek # 2863 and 2864.....Now 2863--have long hair......from 2854----the hair of the head.
Now that proves 1Cor 11 is speaking of the woman having long hair of her own head.  It is NOT speaking of any silly vail.  the word vail is not one time mentioned here and it is not mentioned in the Strong's meaning of this word, hair.
 
Now don't take my word for this.......look it up for yourself.
So you are not only changing the Word of God, but changing the words in Strong's which you seemingly teach exclusively from.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 10/30/2006 10:09 PM
(This is a post by Ray.  Look at crazy this stuff is, trying to discredit truth.)

From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn22</NOBR> Sent: 9/29/2005 6:03 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN Nicknameretmsgt66</NOBR> Sent: 9/29/2005 10:19 AM

1Co 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.

covered, Strong's, 2596 kata {kat-ah'}
 a primary particle;; prep
 AV - according to 107, after 61, against 58, in 36, by 27, daily + 2250 15, as 11, misc 165; 480
 1) down from, through out 2) according to, toward, along

What is there is what is there, no more or less.  The difference is totally there for everyone to see, I don't lie, that is why I show the exact scripture to back what I say.



What I would like to know, is what in the world is all that supposed to mean?  Did you get any understanding from this?  I surely see no understanding to it at all.  God said the hair means the hair of their head.  It SIMPLY is stating that a man should not wear LONG HAIR,,,,,,,BUT THAT THE WOMAN SHOULD HAVE THE LONG HAIR, COVERING HER,  NOT PINNED UP ON TOP OF HER HEAD.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 10/30/2006 10:13 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn22</NOBR> Sent: 9/30/2005 4:27 PM
You are adding to the Word of God when you say it is speaking of a veil.  That is not even mentioned in the Word.  God said her long hair is given to her for a covering.  You,  you, you added the part of a veil being ok.  Now if God tells us to do a thing, that must be obeyed.
 
Where do you think you can set your opinion above what God said?  God did not say it does not matter if you obey this or not, now did he?
He did not say it is ok to cut your hair and then just drape some cloth over your head.
 
That is junk you have added to His Word.  it is sin punishable by death, to add to His Word.
 
You do not like this part of the Word, as you do not like much else of the Word, so you blame the translators, add to it, take away from it, change it.
 
If you cannot see that this is what you are doing, then you need to pray for God to open your eyes.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 10/30/2006 10:17 PM
I only have my replies to these men, Ray and Jazz.  For when I banned them, I also took out their evil words.  So here is another of Ray's things I replied to:  all of this is good teaching on this subject, so I am posting it here.

From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn22</NOBR> Sent: 10/1/2005 1:59 PM
No, but he said through Paul that (if) we had long hair, it is a covering, if not, then women had to cover the head.  That is what is actually there, not some off the wall running of our imagination process to say that all women have to have long hair.  [remtg]

Now that statement is NOT in the Word of God......and you are not adding?  Sure you are.  Paul said if the woman be not COVERED, then let it be shorn [cut] or shaven for that is even all one (means the same thing) as if it were cut.  ....but if it be a SHAME for it to be cut, then let her be covered.

Now that is saying that unless the woman's long hair hangs down and covers her, (if she has pinned it all up on her head) then to God that is the same things as if she shaved her head.  Now that is what the Word of God said.

I have noticed that everyone who seeks to change the Word of God to suit themselves, always claim that it is mistranslated.  You can rest assured when one needs to go there, then they have error in their belief.

Now you are saying that the Word does not contradict itself.  And I fully agree with that.....but then you turn right around and say it was misinterpreted.....so then you see error in it.

I do not see error in it.  You say the Word is the final authority.  I agree.  But you set something you 'think' Strongs says above what the word says.

Strongs' and all other dictionaries only state the natural meanings of the words, whether they are the old language or English.  They do NOT give the Spiritual meanings of the Words.  That is only revealed by other Scripture.

Now that is the only way to find the truth.  Nothing in what Strongs said nor what the Word of God said shows that it is permissable to cut off her hair and cover her head with a cloth.  That is false as can be.

And another thing I see continually that those which error always resort is saying a thing is not escential to salvation.  I say all of God's word is needful.  who are you to decide that part of God's Word is of no importance?

And about the name calling.......I say you need to step back and really read what you say........almost your ever statement is downgrading me.  insulting me....trying to cause others to disbelieve me...trying to say I cross the Word and all sort of other ugly mess.  I have not said that about you.  I am only teaching the truth.  When I say a thing is wrong, that is not personal.  It must be taught.

and yes four is large enough and thanks.  I have tried what you said, but when you set your computer to large, then our entire front page is so large you cannot get it onto this screen.  It does not work that way.

This 'hair' covering has a very deep and spiritual meaning.  If you understood what it is all about, you would know it must be uncut.  A piece of cloth cannot give this spiritual covering which the woman's hair shows.  Now I proved to you by Strongs that it said the word hair here meant ONLY HAIR ON THE HEAD.....AND IT MEANT LONG HAIR.  It does not show it can mean a veil (not cloth).  The long hair is the veil.  The veil separates between the outer courts and the Inner court, or the most HOLY.


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 10/30/2006 10:20 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn22</NOBR> Sent: 10/1/2005 2:23 PM
Ray, I want to ask you a serious question.  Do you think that God forsook His word after he first gave it?  Do you think that He did not watch over it and see that it was handed down to all of us as it is to be believed?  If not, then how could he require it of us?
 
Do you think he either did not care, or lost his power and ability to lead Holy Men into His truth?  If you think the Word is mistranslated, and we must go by Strongs for truth, then you are setting Strongs words up as the ultimate and supreme.
 
Now I know Satan has his ministers or workers in here to mock every word I say and poke as much evil at me as they can, to try and block the sheep of God from hearing this truth, but truth will prevail.  they think that when I use Strongs that I am changing something.  I do not.  when the original natural meanings of words can help open up a hidden mystery, then it helps.  But as I have told this evil worker of Satan, Jazz, I very seldom look at it, and most of the time, it does not help.  sometimes sure it helps.  But that does not EVER CAUSE ME TO DENY SOMETHING THE WORD IS SAYING.
 
I never use Strongs to change the actual wording of the Scripture.
Even the English dictionary only gives us the natural meanings of words.  Sometimes this help greatly, but only when we find the Spiritual meaning in the Word.
 
Now you say there is no symbolism in the Word.  So then I want you to explain from your natural standpoint what this means:
 
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<NOBR>Isa 28:8</NOBR> For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.
<NOBR>Isa 28:9</NOBR> Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

Now if this is not what you call symbolish, please tell me what TABLES it is speaking of.  It is the tables in the homes of those Jews?  or the Gentiles.  Is it your dinner table?  What ?

What is the vomit and filthiness he said ALL THESE TABLES  are full of?  Why is there no place clean?  Does that mean the entire nation of Israel?  or the church?  what?    no place.......clean.....

and what is it speaking of that he gives understanding only to those who are weaned from milk, and drawn from the breasts?  Is this speaking of tiny babies who no longer nurse their mothers?  If so what about bottle fed babies?  Do they also have to stop sucking their bottle before they can learn doctrine?  Then do they learn?  If understanding is given to all who are weaned from their mama's breast, then why is it that almost no one understands?  Sure need this answer.

If this is not symbolism, then you explain it from a purely natural standpoint.  I am looking forward to this lesson.

p.s. I try to pick soft colors which do not glare at eyes.  black does seem to glare.



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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 10/30/2006 10:28 PM
(This answer is such good teaching, that I am including it. )

From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn22</NOBR> Sent: 10/4/2005 6:17 PM
Taken from Post # 38:
 

If you are not married, then you are not subservient to any man. [Ray]


Now that is a lie of Satan. No woman was EVER subservient to any man, married or not married.

That is a lie of Satan, which you throw around freely. Now if any word is not found in the Strong's, it is NOT even written in the Word of God at all.  This is one of the very best uses for Strongs.  It tells you at a glance that a thing is false, for it is NOT in the Word of God.  So to teach a thing which is not written in the Word, is a sin, for you are ADDING your words to God's words.  This is always a LIE.

Now subservient is not in the Strong's, so it is not in the word of God.  Take Scripture and prove this evil statement of yours.  You are attempting to mislead all men and women with such an ungodly teaching.  it is of SATAN, AND NOTHING ELSE.

Now take SCRIPTURE,    and  PROVE IT. It is a big lie.

God made them on equal grounds, and he fixed it right back that way in Christ Jesus.

Again you are guilty of trying to tear down the work of Jesus to make US ALL ONE. Jews, Gentiles, male, female, bond free, we are all on equal grounds. = ONE.

Now I am here to tell you something. I PROVE everything I say by written SCRIPTURE. I do not have to prove by Strongs.

and another thing,

why do you think those who translated for Strongs did not make mistakes?

what makes you so sure those who translated for KJV were not just as much inspired by God as the original writers? If not, then we have NO WORD OF GOD.

Strongs is NOT THE WORD OF GOD.

You are wrong to think you quote strongs and prove all things....I have seen where you changed even that to cover up your lies.

Now Hair is the issue here//////for God said her HAIR IS GIVEN HER FOR A COVERING, OR VEIL.

No cloth is mentioned in any kind of way.

When Paul said IF she have long hair it is a glory to her......that is NOT IMPLYING THAT IT IS OK FOR HER NOT TO HAVE IT IF SHE DOES NOT WANT IT......NO.........THAT IS A LIE.....IT IS SAYING THAT ..........

if she does not have it then she has no glory and no power with God.

It shows she is in disobedience to God.  And it does most certainly affect how both the woman and man gets into the presence of God.....for if the woman cuts off her hair,,,,then she DISHONERS her HEAD,  WHICH IS HER HUSBAND.........so they are both in dishoner before God.  This means they cannot come before God and appear in his presence.

This is deadly to the Christian walk.  That woman is YOUR helpmeet,,,and without that you cannot come before God.


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 10/30/2006 10:32 PM
( Is is clear to this continuing argument between Jazz, Ray and me, what their ridiculous answers were.  I include these for they really have good teaching in them.)

From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn22</NOBR> Sent: 10/4/2005 7:24 PM
Ray, if you understand it, then why don't you explain it?  And how dare you call part of God's Word silly?
I do not consider any question from God's Word to be silly.  You are dodging this with your subtility, because you know that you do not know.
 
You know that if there is an answer, it will prove that the word  'table'  and vomit' are symbols of something SPIRITUAL.
 
Now God did not say all these tables only refer to the priest and other who were drinking or drunken...........do you think it means those men were actually vomitting on their dinner table and expecting others to eat it?
 
That is surely what you sound like you think.  Why is it everyone hides behind that statement,,,,,,,it has nothing to do with your salvation.....when they are cornered and have no answer?   Now it is not wrong to not have an answer,, BUT IT IS WRONG TO ACT AS IF YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE WHO KNOWS SOMETHING......AND CALL EVERYTHING SOMEONE ELSE SAYS WRONG, and still not know yourself.
 
Now if you do NOT know what the answer IS.....then it is for certain that you do not know what it is NOT.
 
Now just go ahead, quit hedging, and explain this passage to us.......if it were not important,,,,,,it would not be in God's word.....so you are guilty of telling God he wrote silly stuff and then told us to study it?????????  [and this is what you call my name calling......because I show you are in error......to you that is name calling]

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 10/30/2006 10:34 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn22</NOBR> Sent: 10/4/2005 7:35 PM

Yep, I am saying that the words in the scripture are not what the Truth is.  The Truth is the:

Jam 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

That is the only thing that will save your soul, the engrafted word.  That is the Truth of the Word, the Word being Jesus. [remtg]


that is pure blasphemy against God's Word.  Now that is the most ridiculous thing you could come up with.  The words are not the truth?

And just what do you THINK God is going to engraft into anyone EXCEPT his Written Word?  and Jesus is NOT  the Word.  Shows you do not have any revelation of truth.

The WORD was INSIDE Jesus.  He brought us God's Word.  I do not see any truth or understanding in anything you say.....not one thing........and when you are confronted with truth, you sneer at it.  so go ahead with your junk.......God will call you to judgment for the way you mangle His Word.


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 10/30/2006 10:36 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn22</NOBR> Sent: 10/4/2005 7:53 PM
 Would you please refrain from posturing and the adolescent name calling? [Ray]
 
 copy and paste names I have called you.........prove this lie or stop saying it....you speak against me in a much harsher and worst way than I have ever said about anyone.  I have not spoken against you this way, as you do me,  I have only shown that what you teach is not in line with the word of God........for instance
 
 
the very first scripture you quoted above here puts the man and woman in EXACTLY THE SAME STATE WITH EACH OTHER........AND YOU ARE TOO BLIND TO SEE IT.  Being the 'head' does not mean what you say it does......for if that be so, then you must take it on to God and Christ.....for God is the head over Christ.  Now does that mean Christ is 'subservant' to God?  Subservant is man's lie, not God's truth.
 
Your desire to RULE over a woman warps your entire understanding.  This was the same ugly desire of Adam.
God made Adam and Eve on equal grounds......by the way......why don't you look up  HELPMEET  in Strongs.  it would be an eye opener which you could not take.
 
Eve was only placed under that man AFTER she listened to him and disobeyed God and partook of LAW.  LAW is the only grounds by which man rules.  It is NOT OF GOD.
 
<NOBR>Mt 20:25</NOBR> But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
<NOBR>Mt 20:26</NOBR> But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
<NOBR>Mt 20:27</NOBR> And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:
<NOBR>Mt 20:28</NOBR> Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

<NOBR>Ga 3:28</NOBR> There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for YE ARE ALL ONE in Christ Jesus.


All One means on equal grounds.  You are trying to tear down the Work of Jesus of making his people all ONE.  You cling to law, by which one rules over another...Jesus said with his people this will NOT BE.

See where that leaves you and your haughty desire to RULE?  Look up HELP  MEET.  study it.



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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/19/2008 5:37 PM

This 'hair' covering has a very deep and spiritual meaning.  If you understood what it is all about, you would know it must be uncut.  A piece of cloth cannot give this spiritual covering which the woman's hair shows.  Now I proved to you by Strongs that it said the word hair here meant ONLY HAIR ON THE HEAD.....AND IT MEANT LONG HAIR.  It does not show it can mean a veil (not cloth).  The long hair is the veil.  The veil separates between the outer courts and the Inner court, or the most HOLY.


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