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From: joie  (Original Message)Sent: 9/15/2005 7:30 PM
From: joie  (Original Message) Sent: 2/1/2004 9:40 AM

~~ He appeared to Mary ~~

I want to ask you all something. Do you believe that Jesus knew all things? Do you think that after his resurrection he would be aware of what was going on around his resurrection and his grave?

Where do you suppose he was? Do you think that the angels of God who were there also knew what was going on? Do you think they saw Mary there? Do you think they saw Peter and John when they were there?

If so, then please explain this to me-- why do you think they all three waited until Peter and John had looked into the tomb and then turned away and went back to their own home and then appeared to Mary immediately after Peter and John left?

Read this and ponder it a while. Let truth come into your hearts; else you are fighting against the Work of Jesus.

John 20

1. Now on the first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, while it was yet dark, unto the tomb, and seeth the stone taken away from the tomb.
2. She runneth therefore, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we know not where they have laid him.

Now this shows that Mary first went to the grave and found the stone rolled away. Then she went to the disciples and told them this and they had taken the Lord away somewhere. At this time Mary had not seen Jesus. She did not know he had been resurrected.


3. Peter therefore went forth, and the other disciple, and came to the sepulchre.
4. And they ran both together: and the other disciple outran Peter, and came first to the tomb;
5. and stooping and looking in, he seeth the linen cloths lying; yet entered he not in.

Here John came and looked into the grave, but all he saw was the linen cloths there. He did not see the angels or Jesus. I ask you why? Do you think the angels were not there at that time? But they had already come and rolled the stone away--so they WERE there. Where do you suppose Jesus was at the time John looked into the grave?

Why did he not let John see him at this time? why did the two angels not let John see them?


6. Simon Peter therefore also cometh, following him, and entered into the tomb; and he beholdeth the linen cloths lying,
7. and the napkin, that was upon his head, not lying with the linen cloths, but rolled up in a place by itself.
8. Then entered in therefore the other disciple also, who came first to the tomb, and he saw, and believed.

Notice here that both Peter and John have entered into the tomb, but all they saw was the cloths. They did NOT SEE THE ANGELS OR JESUS. I ask you WHY?

Is it because the angels and Jesus were not there? If not, where were they? Is it because they did not KNOW that Peter and John were there?
If you think they did not know, why?

9. For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise from the dead.
10. So the disciples went away again unto their own home.

So after they both looked in and went into the tomb, they both turned again and went to their own homes. Neither the angels or Jesus had appeared to them. Why? Was it because they did not know they were there? And if they did know those two men disciples were there, WHY DID THEY NOT APPEAR TO THEM? WHY DID THEY WAIT AND LET THESE TWO MEN DISCIPLES RETURN TO THEIR OWN HOMES?

11. But Mary was standing without at the tomb weeping: so, as she wept, she stooped and looked into the tomb;
12. and she beholdeth two angels in white sitting, one at the head, and one at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.

13. And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him.

14. When she had thus said, she turned herself back, and beholdeth Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.

15. Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou hast borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
16. Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turneth herself, and saith unto him in Hebrew, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.

17. Jesus saith to her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended unto my Father: but go to my brethren, and say to them, I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.

18. Mary Magdalene cometh and telleth the disciples, I have seen the Lord; and that he had said these things unto her.

Now people in all honesty, do you not see here that as soon as Peter and John left and went home, that Mary looks into the tomb and SEES TWO ANGELS. They speak to her.

Then Jesus himself appears to Mary and reveals his resurrection to HER.

THEN HE DOES THE UNTHINKABLE --He tells her to go tell this revelation to his disciples -- all MEN.

Now I know most of you want to say well all it was Jesus just told her to go tell them. Well if that is all there is to this, that Jesus wanted his disciples to KNOW that he had resurrected, I ask you WHY, WHY, WHY DID HE NOT APPEAR TO THEM WHEN THEY WERE THERE AT THE TOMB?

Do you think He did not know they were there? Do you think he was off somewhere else, and just 'miraculously' gets there immediately after the disciples leave and appears to Mary?

What? Have you ever even considered this? And if not, why not?

Do you study the Word or just listen to hand-me-down stuff?

Here are three heavenly beings, two angels and the resurrected Christ who let these two men disciples look into the tomb, go into the tomb, and leave and go home without saying a word to them. Now why is this?

Yet as soon as they leave, these three heavenly beings appear to Mary and talk to her and commission her to go TELL HER MESSAGE TO THE DISCIPLES ; ALL MEN.

Sure you all try to down-play this and say well it was not preaching; she was just telling them something.

But there has to be a definite reason those angels and Jesus let the men go back home and then send that woman to reveal to them the message Jesus gave her that he was to ascend unto his Father and to his God and their God.

No, I say unto you, that there is much more to this than you want to believe. I say Jesus was fulfilling the prophesy here that his own Mother had spoken, that He would put down the mighty from their 'seats' (of ruler ship) and raise up them of low-degree. = women.

He put down the men, raised up the women, thus bringing about equality for the NT Church.

Anyone who fights this is the enemy of the work of Jesus himself.

I say you had better do some checking up.

By: Jo Smith -- Feb. 1, 2004



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From: joieSent: 9/15/2005 7:31 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameIsaiah·</NOBR> Sent: 2/1/2004 10:42 AM

John 20
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

John 20
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

Why did Jesus say to Mary not to touched him and then 10 verses down told Thomas to touch with his hands and feel?

The word touch in John 20and verse 17 means- to fasten one's self to, adhere to, cling to. In other words she was wanting to worship him and cling to him but he could not received that worship till he was ascended to his Father and her Father and his God and her God. He could not received worship while here on this earth.

Jesus thought it not robbery to be equal with God after the resurrection and now we are to worship him in truth and in spirit. Just as Mary was.


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From: IsaiahSent: 9/16/2005 7:21 AM
Joie , I this could go along with your message and I am going to also make this message a thread of it's own.
 
Luke-1:26-35- 001:026 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
001:027 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
001:028 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. 001:029 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

001:030 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 001:031 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 001:032 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 001:033 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

001:034 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 001:035 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Ok allow me to go back and explain these words I have underlined.

This will take a lot of time and some hard work to do but if this helps even one person it will be worth it all to me and I also know God will bless me for the effort I have put into this. Praise the Lord and to him be all the glory.

The word favored or favor means the followings- [ friendly regard showed toward another person esp. by a superior-it also means to approve, choose, to show mercy, recover. Then I looked up the word recover to see what it meant and it meant the following-to get back again, to reclaim which means to restore, to recall from wrong conduct, to change from undesirable to a desired condition.

See she was approved of God and changed from undesirable to a desired condition and God showed mercy on her and restored her back to the original state and reclaimed what she was at the beginning a help meet. The word blessed means -to speak well of, praise, to be made holy. From this we see that she was no longer a cursed seed but a holy seed. See she had to be changed because a curse see can not bring forth a holy seed and that’s what he said that she was to do. He said that which is borned of you shall be holy and shall be called the Son of God.

The word trouble means- to be disturb, to worry. She began to worry and to be disturbed about this because she had always been taught that nothing holy could come from a woman because she was still under that curse. The same thing is happing in this day and time. Most everybody especially the church are keeping her under the bondage that God has set her free from.

If you remember I said that it was God that set her free go back to vs.30-He told Mary fear not, for thou hast found favor with God. Clear cut evidence that it was God that set her free from this bondage and who God set free is free indeed .So you see women you are no longer under that curse you are free indeed.

Let me show you something here why this curse had to be removed from her before Jesus comes on the scene.

Math.- 7:16-20- 007:016 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 007:017 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 007:018 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 007:019 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 007:020 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

So we see from this that God had to remove the curse that he had placed on the woman before she could bring forth a good seed. He said in the above vs. that a corrupt seed could not bring forth a righteous seed. The word overshadow means-to illuminate, to supply with spiritual or intellectual light- to exceed in importance, and also means to surpass which means-to exceed , to be or become superior to, worthy to be reverenced. More on this later.

ARE YOU STILL WITH ME I HOPE SO

LUKE-1:45-53- 001:045 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord. 001:046 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, 001:047 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. 001:048 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. 001:049 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name. 001:050 And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation. 001:051 He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts. 001:052 He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree. 001:053 He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away

VS.-48-He has regarded- means he showed her respect or to hold her in high esteem. Low estate-means she was in a humble or unfavorable position.She was in a position that she could be mighty used of God because she had become humble before God. Luke-18:14- I tell you, this [woman] went down to [her] house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and [she] that humbleth [herself] shall be exalted.

Now don’t go get upset and say I am changing scriptures to say what I want them to say. All I am trying to do is to show that the woman was in a humble state and by doing this she touched the heart of God and he exalted her. In other words he raised her up from that low estate she was in.

Exalt-means to raise up esp. in rank, power or dignity. She was found to be worthy. Handmaiden-means to be a servant. He exalted her so she is no longer a servant but now she is a daughter. From henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. Who was he referring to here? Was it Mary? No he was referring to his handmaidens. You see what he did for Mary he did for all you women. He removed that yoke of bondage or that so called curse. See God is no respecter or person. What he does for one he will do for all. Praise the Lord

Luke 1:48-from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

Now all of you that says the woman is still under the curse of that law what are you going to do with this scripture? Tell me how she can be cursed and blessed at the same time. It said that he blessed her which means to respect, sanctify, praise. That does not look like any curse seed to me looks to me like a holy seed.

Vs.-50- And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.[ see she found mercy which means to show compassion to victims of misfortune and it also shows forgiveness. To me this also shows that Eve repented and found forgiveness because the word said his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation. We know that she feared him because the word said in Gen.3:8-and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden. And it goes on and said they were afraid]

So to me it shows that Eve found forgiveness in the eyes of the Lord but man is still trying to keep her under that curse.Ok I know what you are thinking if Eve found forgiveness so did Adam. I don’t think so but right now I don’t want to deal with that. He said his mercy on them that fear him [the them he was referring to was his handmaidens not Adam unless he was a handmaid]

Vs.-51- He hath shewed strength with his arm;[ in other words this woman was to his arm to bring forth and birth a man child which was Jesus who was to be his right hand. In other words she was to be his help meet.]

ISAIAH-40:10-11- Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him. 040:011 -He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young. Who was he talking about here when he said his arm will rule for him? It had to be the woman because he said that they were with young.

Back to vs.-51- he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts. [proud here means appearing above others] tell me men who does this sound like? Don’t have an answer? Or don’t want to answer? Well I will answer for you being a man myself I am capable to answer this question. I say the proud that he scattered is the man and he scattered them just like he did over in Gen.

Gen.-11:4- And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.

1 Peter-5:5-6-Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble

005:006 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time See men we have always been the proud and the mighty and I will show you in the following scripture. So you see what we have to do we have to fall down on our knees and humble ourselves before God and ask for forgiveness and quit treating the women like a dog and let show them some respect and women you allow us to do this thing and let’s all be subject to one another.

Men I know that it is going to be hard for you to swallow your pride because I have been in your shoes and have walked your walk. I did as Paul I persecuted the woman where he persecuted the church and did not think she could teach or any of these other things that she is not allowed to do in the church. I have not always had the revelation that I have now about the woman. I also had to eat crow and swallow my pride which was hard to do me being taught in the church the way I was. But when God opens your understanding to something you have to humble yourselves before him.

Luke-1:52- He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree.

Mighty means-strong and powerful, stout, husky, huge, big and muscular. Men can you guess who fits this description? I said above that I would prove who the mighty was. If the description I just gave does not prove that the mighty is the man let me try again.

Jeremiah-31-22- How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? for the LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man.[ see what was happening over in Luke with Mary the LORD was ushering in a new move of God. The word compass hear means to lead. The word man here means mighty. Need I Say anymore about who the mighty is? I think not.

The last of vs.-52 and also vs.-53- and exalted them of low degree.

001:053 He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away. This is saying that this low degree is when Jesus said that he would put down the high and raise up the low and what we just saw in Jer. that a woman would compass a man this is what this is speaking of. That God would lift them up and let them lead.

VS.-53- He hath filled the hungry with good things; [tell me who has always been hungry and starving for the good things of God? No let me tell you. The Woman.]and the rich he hath sent empty away. I guess you know by now who the rich is and being sent away empty handed. The MAN

Psalms-107:9- For he satisfieth the longing soul, and filleth the hungry soul with goodness.Psalms-107:8-Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men!

Psalms-107:21-22- Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men!

107:022 And let them sacrifice the sacrifices of thanksgiving, and declare his works with rejoicing

 

 

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From: joieSent: 9/17/2005 1:14 AM
Thank you Isaiah.  Yes, that is a great message to go with this one about Mary.  Hope all our women can get into this and find their way out of bondage into the freedom Jesus gave us.

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From: MSN Nickname®Larry_W_B_1©Sent: 9/14/2006 4:51 AM
Bump

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 5/27/2008 11:50 PM
One more time.  Get some good stuff on the top.  Praise our Holy God.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/1/2008 9:35 PM
It will be a much better world, when they all come to realize that IN CHRIST THERE IS NEITHER MALE NOR  FEMALE.
for we are ALL ONE in Christ.  we are all equals, as God first made Adam and Eve.
 
She was not made to be in subjection, or 'under' Adam, as the world is falsly believing.
 
What God gives to his sons, he also gives to his DAUGHTERS.  We are all called SONS OF GOD.
 
We are all his children, and he is no respector of persons.
 
A woman can have just as much gifts, ministry and everything from God, that any man can have.  The same Holy Ghost speaks in me, as spoke in Paul, or peter.
 
The world is being cheated of the great work, the Daughters of God could do for Him and it, if they could only see that they are not inferior in any way to men.  We are just as powerful and able to minister as any man.
 
if a man does not have the anointing teaching him,  he is to keep silence and let the ones, male or female, who do have it, do the teaching.
 
God is certainly not pleased with this lie, that women cannot have and do anything Men can do, in the things of God.  Jesus Christ set everything and everyone back on  EQUAL GROUND AS GOD MADE THEM AT FIRST.
 
IT WAS SIN AND GOING UNDER LAW, WHICH MADE  EVE TO BE RULED OVER.
 
BUT SHE GOT BACK TO THE GRACE OF GOD, AND WAS PERSECUTED FROM THEN ON, BECAUSE SHE REBELLED AGAINST THAT EVIL OF LEAVING GRACE AND GOING UNDER LAW.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 10/17/2008 8:39 PM
We need to save all these messages which we can.  Let's pray that they are not going to shut down the religious sites.  I think from what Larry found, it may just be the porn groups.

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