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What do you make of Kiki's statement over on the other board? I was happy when I read her posts.

From:

Kiki40 in response to Message 52

Sent: 5/25/2008 2:57 PM

Freeborn, your logic is irratic here:

Jesus WAS human. He did not 'have' humanity;

If He was human, He certainly did have a human nature! He did not have a "fallen" nature, but He did have a human nature.

Something else about this subject has intrigued me today, however, and that is the fact that our fallen nature has been inherited from Adam and not from Eve. Is it because Eve was deceived, but Adam made the pre-meditated choice to sin? Also, why is geneaology not traced through the woman (except in the case of Mary, but that was only to show His qualification to claim the Davidic promise to reign as king)? Is it because the "seed" that produces new life comes from the man (I'm assuming, here).

How is it that we have inherited an Adamic nature, and not the nature of Eve? The answer to this question, I feel, has the potential to clear up some confusion concerning the deity of Jesus Christ. It can certainly challenge a few here to line their answer up with this passage from Hebrews 2:

¹⁰For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. ¹¹For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, ¹²Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee. ¹³And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me. ¹⁴Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; ¹⁵And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. ¹⁶For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. ¹⁷Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. ¹⁸For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

Peter says that we are partakers of a divine nature. So, when we receive the Holy Ghost, we have both a human nature and a divine nature. Because of this, we, too, are counted "sons." Jesus was the firstborn among us, His brethren, and He also calls us His children. If God is triune, this would make no sense. But since His fullness dwelt bodily in Jesus, making Jesus both God and man, this passage makes every bit of sense. We are brethren of Jesus' humanity and children of His deity.

Well, see how irratic HER thinking is. If having the Holy Ghost, gives US the divine nature, and it caused Jesus to be both God and man. then by the same reasoning it would cause us to be both God and man.

They cannot reason it out clearly, because of the blindness of their hearts.

She is on to something......I can feel it.......She needs to let all that false teaching go.....I have a feeling she will be preachin like we do.....I just have that feeling....... Love ya. Tweety

But since His fullness dwelt bodily in Jesus, making Jesus both God and man, this passage makes every bit of sense. We are brethren of Jesus' humanity and children of His deity.

I agree that she is on something, false doctrine. She goes right back to Jesus is God . Why say something that is not scriptual?

Tweety, just been on Bro Bryan’s board and I saw where you said that you were a disciple of Freeborn’s sitting at her feet learning the word of God. Then on another thread you are trying to cross her up. Why is this ? Is this because she said to you , Stop trying to figure out what Dake meant. Study what God means. Is it that you really do not want to follow what Jo has to say? Is it that you want to stay with what dake has say, even thou, jo has shown you in many instances that he was wrong? Which is it? Or tell me am I wrong in what I saying. It looks to me that is what you are doing, and it may also look that way to others. If I am wrong, please clear it up for me.

I also saw where you were trying to teach against baptism, claiming that you are saved by faith alone. You really need to study baptism in the word . You need not to teach any thing unless you understand and know that you are right. Do you know that you will be responsible to God for teaching that what is not true? I would recommend to you to go to the baptism threads that we have and prove us wrong if you think baptism is not for us today.

From:

®Larry_W_B_1©

Sent: 5/26/2008 2:19 PM

Tweety, just been on Bro Bryan’s board and I saw where you said that you were a disciple of Freeborn’s sitting at her feet learning the word of God.

Larry, I was only bringing up the sneer that someone said about me on Bro. Bryans board. We talked about it on the phone the yesterday. I call Freeborn alot. Sometimes all during the week.

Then on another thread you are trying to cross her up. Where was I trying to cross anyone up?

The thread was started about how the O.T saints were saved. And yes many people in the O.T. were saved and it was not by water baptism. That is all I was trying to show on that thread. I was not trying to cross anyone up.

Why is this ? Is this because she said to you , Stop trying to figure out what Dake meant. Study what God means.

Do you think anybody could get what me and Freeborn has gotten from the WORD? NO! They hold on to some belief that water will actually save ones soul? Can they grasp a spiritual interpretaion of GOD's WORD? Did the way I see things in GOD's WORD now happen because I have been talking with Freeborn and she has influened my thinking? NO! I read and think. I read and study. And she and I will admit..I have seen things in GOD's WORD that she has not come up with. My point is...They over on the other board need a literal translation....And if they stop and think....maybe they will start studying the WORD of God on a daily basis and see that some of the things that they have been lead to believe is a little off. But it seems that they will not tolerate a difference of opinion over there. Why? They have listened to some preacher that says that is how you are suppose to think and act when it comes to their religion and everybody should adhere to it even though it has been proven wrong According to GOD's WORD? And when you bring something that is false up to them that can be clearly shown in scipture to be false-they ignore it. They will not answer you. -they throw insults at the person. Now I ask you is that a person that is filled with the HOLY SPIRIT? WOULD JESUS hurl insults and sneers at people that bring up questions testing his faith?

Is it that you really do not want to follow what Jo has to say? Is it that you want to stay with what dake has say, even thou, jo has shown you in many instances that he was wrong?

Dake is a literlist. Extreme. I must get a literal translation of the WORD first. I do not know everything. So I read the WORD. Just as it is written.. I think on it... Read it again and I get something different. The WORD OF GOD LIVES.

Which is it? Or tell me am I wrong in what I saying. It looks to me that is what you are doing, and it may also look that way to others. If I am wrong, please clear it up for me.

You are wrong in your assumptions about the whole thing. Freeborn knows I love her and you dearly.

I also saw where you were trying to teach against baptism, claiming that you are saved by faith alone.

There are many other points in Baptism that I wanted to bring out. But the first thing I was gonna do is show them with scripture that the water baptism thing is just one aspect of Baptism. What about the Baptism of the HOLY GHOST? I had not finished all of it.

You really need to study baptism in the word .

I am studing Baptism in the WORD. Should I not study all the WORD of GOD about Baptism? Or just Acts 2:38? Salvation is a big issue. They would not even look at that when I posted it. So much for salvation....and how to obtain it....I guess just baptism.. Forget what the rest of GOD's WORD says......OH well-that is the way of the WORLD.....

You need not to teach any thing unless you understand and know that you are right.

The thread is not finshed yet.

Do you know that you will be responsible to God for teaching that what is not true?

I think GOD would smile upon me for trying to lead some poor soul to the truth of GOD's WORD.

I would recommend to you to go to the baptism threads that we have and prove us wrong if you think baptism is not for us today.

I never said that.....

In love

Tweety

Actly, Tweety, this is the one I was referring to.

From:

Tweety134

Sent: 5/26/2008 8:27 AM

From:

Freeborn551

Sent: 5/25/2008 8:08 PM

All true children of God have the spirit of God is us. It is just the same way with Jesus. God is in us. Christ is in us. does that make us Christ, or God.

I need scripture for what you just said Freeborn!! Who are the true children of GOD? What is this Spirit of GOD that is in us? So if we have this Spirit in us, can we call ourselves flesh gods? Please explain what you are trying to say in this one sentence please. (Tweety)

Your thinking is so warped with false teaching that you cannot reason something this simple out. If Jesus HAD BEEN GOD, then God would not have had to give him the Spirit.

How is their thinking warped Freeborn? What false teachings? And what Spirit did Jesus get and from whom did he get it from? I really need scripture for this stuff that you are saying. SCRIPTURE! (Tweety)

nor would he have had to give all the power of God to Jesus, after his resurrection.

What power? Who gave what to Jesus? After he was resurrected? Scripture please!!! (Tweety).

Jesus would not have had to ASCEND to heaven, after his resurrection, to GO TO HIS FATHER AND HIS GOD, for he would have been all there is to God.

What does ASCEND mean? Where is heaven located? Prove to me with scripture that GOD is THE FATHER AND THAT SAME FATHER IS JESUS GOD. (Tweety).

Jesus did not believe that, nor did he teach it. Jesus never one time told anyone, I am god. You can't find it is scripture.

I will search it out and see if JESUS ever said he was GOD. And when I find it-I will post it. It may take awhile, so bear with me. (Tweety).

Peter never one time said, I believe that Jesus is God. find it if you think he did.

I will search that out too. I will post it when I find it. (Tweety)

Paul immediately taught that Jesus is THE SON OF GOD.

Prove that statement with scripture please! (Tweety).

You cannot find where any of these APOSTLES taught that Jesus is God in flesh.

Can anyone prove this statement of Freeborn's word to be untrue? Can anyone supply scripture to show that she might be saying a false thing? (Tweety).

You do twist many verses trying to make it say that,

Which scriptures are twisted? Who has added and taken away from GOD's WORD? Show me. (Tweety).

but if that is the true interpretation. SCRIPTURE HAS TO SAY IT. else the interpretation is WRONG.

so find the verse which says, Jesus was God in flesh.

Can anyone supply us with scripture showing that Jesus was GOD in FLESH? (Tweety)

But if I misunderstood, my bad. Have a good day.

I wanted her to explain everything with scripture. I wanted her to ram scripture down their throats.....That is what they need......They want meat....I plan on giving them meat to eat.......I am so mad at what they did to Freeborn....until I can't think straight....... Have a good night...Tweety

Thanks, Tweety. As I said. my bad. But I wanted to get it straight.

And I thank both of you for your concern for God and me. Both of you are truly seeking the truth and trying to get it to others. That is what God called us all to do.

I do love both of you and believe that both of you are God's children and will be rewarded for your labour of love toward God's people.

Larry is looking out for the truth and my welfare. I think both of you are doing that.

I have had enough of that mess over there. Being constantly attacked for teaching Scripture is not what God told us to submit to.

when I quote Scripture, word for word, it cannot be wrong. When they must ignor 99% of the Word, change it , add to it and take away from it, for their docrine, that proves that they have it all wrong. But do they care? Not at all.

They hate those of us who stand and rebuke in the gate. Jesus said they would and they do.

When I rebuke I am only trying to get people to stop and listen to what God said. It is for their own welfare.

Just as I rebuked Tweety for saying it does not matter which name we baptize in.

If it does not matter, then the Apostles would have said , just go baptize. Just put them under water. They would Not have said, do it in the name of Jesus.

God would not have said, do everything that you do, in the name of Jesus.

Pray for the sick in the name of Jesus. Does that Matter?

I only want to help as many as possible to get into more truth.

bear more fruit unto righteousness. But when a group of people PROVE OVER AND OVER that they do not want this, then it is best to leave them alone.

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