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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 8/4/2008 4:31 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR>  (Original Message) Sent: 10/5/2007 11:39 AM

~~ Set Them Free ~~

It is a terrible, spiritual sin and crime and shame, when men seek to deceive women into thinking that they are not just as entitled to the things of God, as men are. Now to deceive women into thinking they must share a husband with other women, in the NT Freedom, is bad, but to deceive them into believing they cannot have the things of God and be just as used by God as anyone else, is an unspeakably evil thing. It is totally inexcusable.

The only reason I am taking up my time to write this, is for the sake of some women who might be honestly desiring the things of God, and are listening to men’s ugly and evil mouths declaring that they are not entitled to this. That is to doom the woman’s soul to hell fire. That is unforgivable.

Men go to where God told Eve that her husband will now rule over you. But they fail to see that this was not God’s original intention or desire. It was only punishment, to both of them, for their sin.

So to still hold to this is totally denying the deliverance which Jesus brought to the world. They are saying to you women that you are still being punished for sin and cannot get forgiveness. That is a lie of the most evil sort. It comes solely from an evil desire to still rule over you to be lifted up as god. This was Adam’s original sin and his evil desire.

Jesus told men to break every yoke and set everyone free. But proud men flat refuse to do this. Jesus put the proud men down from their ‘seats�?and exalted them of low degree, the women. So if Jesus exalted us, then we are as high as one can go. God did not make Eve to be a ‘possession�?or ‘toy�?or ‘pleasure thing�?for Adam. Adam had already fell into sin and rebellion, the fallen cherub of Eze. 28. God saw that it was not good for Adam to be alone, so he made him a helpmeet. This means one to aid, protect, and succor the man. But Adam was jealous and envious and hated this helpmeet. So he set out to make her fall, so he could get control over her. This is just what he did, as he deceived her into taking of that law.

Men say that God told them they could have two wives. God also told them to kill animals for their sins. Yet the Word of God clearly shows that God hated both things. He shows that animal blood could never take away sins and that God hated this thing. So why then did God tell them that? Because of their evil and hard heart. God let them choose their own way. I have written many messages with Scripture proving all of this, so am just talking to women in this message. I know that most men will never accept God’s truth and see that women are equal to themselves, always have been and always will be. But she was brought under the rulership of man because of letting him deceive her into sacrificing an animal and that set Adam up as god. He was the one who she offered that blood to. He was already claiming to be god. Eze. 28 and Isa 14.

It was the man whom God created and placed into the Garden of Eden. God said this in Eze 28. Men claim this was an angel, to hid the fact that it was the man. But God said it was a MAN. He never said it was an angel. Men think nothing about adding their own thoughts to God’s word.

Men claim that monogamy came from the Roman Church. That is a lie. It came from God. God made Adam only ONE wife. He rebuked Adam, In Hosea for dealing treacherously against this wife of youth. God said he made him one wife. Adam is the only man to whom God ever made a wife, so this has to be speaking of Adam. Of course it also speaks to all men who take more than this one wife. She is the wife of his covenant. So if he takes more than one, he has fallen from the covenant. He does not have a helpmeet.

God made man only one wife. So this proves that monogamy was God’s only plan for man. Men went into sin and chose their own way. So God placed them under that law and there is no salvation under that law. They offered up animals to God, but it was an abomination to God. They took wives of all they chose, but God sent the flood and destroyed them because of this evil.

Since that flood, there was no more sons of God, until Jesus came. So the sons of God cannot have more than one wife. Only sons of Belial can do this. They claim that women cannot have the things of man. So what is that? It most certainly is not the things of Christ, for in Christ there is neither bond nor free, neither male, nor female. So to still say one has to be male or female, in the things of God, is to still be under that dead old law covenant of the blood of animals. It is not in Christ. Jesus never once told anyone they could have more than one wife. It is lies of Satan. The Apostles did not teach or practice this.

You cannot be in the kingdom of Christ and live such an ungodly life. You cannot deny women the things of God and be right with God yourself. Women received the Holy Ghost on the Day of Pentecost, same as men. Jesus sent women out with the message first. Jesus exalted the woman back to the place God put Eve in the first place. Only Satanic men drag them back down to bondage. All who do so are in total rebellion to Jesus.

Scripture is full of women whom God used, both in the OT and the New. The Church is made up of both men and women, but they are all ONE. They are all FEMALE TO GOD. So if woman cannot preach and teach, then neither can men.

Only when you are still in the flesh, walking in rebellion, does this apply. In Christ, we walk in the Spirit, not in the flesh. My Holy Ghost can teach same as anyone’s. If you do not teach from the Holy Ghost, saying only what Scripture says, then you are forbidden to teach, for it is in your flesh. When you make a difference between male and female, you are in the flesh and therefore forbidden to teach. In Christ there is NEITHER.

We are all ONE, in Christ. That means the very same, equals. To reject this, is old Adam-rebellion against the ways of God.

To say that a woman desires to be as man, because she hungers for the things of God, is nothing but the absolute lowest of vile and foolish doctrine from hell. I have ALWAYS desired the things of God, but I most certainly have never desired to be anything but a WOMAN. I happen to love being a woman. I think most women do also. I have never known of a woman who desired to have a man’s body. I dare say that more perverted men desire to be women, than the other way around. This is just foolish and low thinking, trying to bring the daughters of God down, because you stupid men have no truth to teach from.

Not one son of God, since the flood, ever had more than one wife. The sons of Satan did this. When the Sons of God, on the other side of the flood, took up this evil practice, God said their thoughts were only evil and destroyed them. Those OT men who followed their example were not in the kingdom of Christ. That was not given until after Jesus arose from the dead. Those who had faith and love for God were brought into the kingdom of Christ after he died on that cross. They without us cannot be made perfect. They will come into the kingdom at the resurrection. So they are not the example for children of God.

There is absolutely nothing in the kingdom of Christ which women are not entitled to. There are NT prophetesses and teachers. Only those who went back to law are not able to do so. But then men who are in the flesh are also forbidden. Women in the Spirit are the male teachers, for it is not us, but the Christ or Holy Ghost in us who speaks. When I speak the Word of God, that is not coming from a human being, it is of the Holy Ghost. Jesus said, it is not you who speak, but the Father speaking in you.

Why cannot you recognize this? It is only because of your own carnal and evil desires and mind. That is the old serpent, devil, Satan, Adam. It is you who are forbidden to teach God’s Word, for you do speak lies.

To deny women the things of God is the most evil thing anyone can do. God used women just the same as men. The Church is neither male nor female. The entire Church of Pentecost went about everywhere preaching and teaching the things of God. It was the Church, not some man. The Church is both men and women. Those who have the Holy Ghost are CHILDREN of God and all are able to minister.

So you foolish men are cheating those women of becoming Daughters of God and are cheating God of the service and glory these Daughters of God would bring to him. You are flat refusing and rebuking God’s Word, that your sons and your Daughters SHALL PROPHESY. How is she going to prophesy and keep her mouth shut? It is the height of foolishness and evil.

Daughters of God, run for your eternal life. Run to freedom. Flee these wolves who hate the way of God. Once, they held me down, and I would cry my soul out, knowing that God was at work in my life, and yet thinking that it was not truly of Scripture. I sought God for many years for the answer. Then he spoke to me and said, That is of law. You are not under law. In Christ there is neither male nor female. So then I was FREE.

No man can take me away from God now. God set me free. Jesus set me free. Women, if you desire the things of God, seek him. He will set you free. I will never allow any man to take me away from the things of God again. It is of Satan. No true Son of God would desire to cheat you of your rightful place in God. Phoebe was a pastor of a church. She was highly recommended by Paul. Oh sure, men will try to prevent you from seeing this. But if you run all the references in the Strong’s Hebrew and Greek dictionaries, for this word, Servant, in Romans 16, you will see that it means this very thing.

If you allow men to keep you from serving God and being a minister, as all Christians are supposed to do, then you will cheat yourself of eternal life. Women, start studying the Scripture, praying and seeking for God’s truth. Let God talk to you. Stop listening to lying men. They only want to keep you in servitude. But Jesus said set us free. Break every yoke. Men, you are still under bondage yourself, when you hold them as servants. A true Wife is not a servant. She is your equal. She was to be a helpmeet, not a servant.

I only want to bring you all into God’s glorious victory. It is not there for the man, until he sets the woman free, also. Marian was used of God to bring out the Israelites, the same as was Moses and Aaron. She was a prophetess.

A prophetess speaks the words of God same as a prophet.

By: Jo Smith ~~~October 4, 2007



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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 8/4/2008 4:32 AM
From: joie2 Sent: 10/5/2007 5:51 PM

This is the Strongs meaning for the word, Servant, in Romans 16, as pertaining to Phoebe. 1249 // diakonov // diakonos // dee-ak'-on-os //

probably from an obsolete diako (to run on errands, cf
1377 ); TDNT - 2:88,152; n m/f

AV - minister 20, servant 8, deacon 3; 31

1) one who executes the commands of another, esp. of a master,
a servant, attendant, minister

Here is one of the meanings: 1c2) of the preacher of the gospel

This is another of the meanings: 1b3) of any one ministering or rendering service

The above was for the word, ‘servant�? This is for the word, succourer. Paul said Phoebe had been a succourer of many, and himself also.

4368 // prostativ // prostatis // pros-tat'-is //

from a derivative of
4291 ; n f

AV - succourer 1; 1

1) a woman set over others
2) a female guardian, protectress, patroness, caring for the affairs
of others and aiding them with her resources

That word, protectress is one of the meanings of the word, Helpmeet. So we see from this that Jesus has placed the woman back into the original place of being the one to aid and protect the man. She is once again a helpmeet.

This is from that link, 4291:

4291 // proisyhmi // proistemi // pro-is'-tay-mee //

from
4253 and 2476 ; TDNT - 6:700,*; v

AV - rule 5, maintain 2, be over 1; 8

1) to set or place before
1a) to set over
1b) to be over, to superintend, preside over
1c) to be a protector or guardian
1c1) to give aid
1d) to care for, give attention to
1d1) profess honest occupations

See then, that this solidly proves to be the same meaning as the word, Helpmeet.

This proves that Phoebe was over that church as minister, protector, the one to aid and reside over.

This is from the above link 4253:

4253 // pro // pro // pro //

a primary preposition; TDNT - 6:683,935; prep

AV - before 44, above 2, above ... ago 1, or ever 1; 48

1) before

Now that shows that she was above the others and before them.

This is the next reference, 2476.

2476 // isthmi // histemi // his'-tay-mee //

a prolonged form of a primary // staw // stao // stah'-o // (of the same
meaning, and used for it in certain tenses); TDNT - 7:638,1082; v

AV - stand 116, set 11, establish 5, stand still 4, stand by 3,
misc 17, vr stand 2; 158

1) to cause or make to stand, to place, put, set
1a) to bid to stand by, [set up]
1a1) in the presence of others, in the midst, before judges,
before members of the Sanhedrin;
1a2) to place
1b) to make firm, fix establish
1b1) to cause a person or a thing to keep his or its place
1b2) to stand, be kept intact (of family, a kingdom), to escape
in safety
1b3) to establish a thing, cause it to stand
1b31) to uphold or sustain the authority or force of anything
1c) to set or place in a balance
1c1) to weigh: money to one (because in very early times before
the introduction of coinage, the metals used to be weighed)
2) to stand
2a) to stand by or near
2a1) to stop, stand still, to stand immovable, stand firm
2a1a) of the foundation of a building
2b) to stand
2b1) continue safe and sound, stand unharmed, to stand ready or
prepared
2b2) to be of a steadfast mind
2b3) of quality, one who does not hesitate, does not waiver

Now all of that shows that Phoebe was the foundation of that church. She was of quality, as Paul said, and firmly established in the things of God. All of the above comes from the word, Succourer. Paul said Phoebe had been a succourer of many. She was some more powerful minister, even recommended by the great Apostle, Paul. He said, assist her in anything she has need of.

Here is Strong’s meaning for the word, Meet, in helpmeet:

05828 // rze // `ezer // ay'-zer //

from
05826 ; TWOT - 1598a; n m

AV - help 19, help meet 2; 21

1) help, succour
1a) help, succour
1b) one who helps

See then, that it has the very same meaning as that given for Phoebe, or being the one who succours.

This is the online Strongs. My own book gives this help, in helpmeet, also to mean aid and surround, and protect.

So Eve was given to Adam to help him and surround him and protect him. She was not made for his sexual pleasure. That is not even once connected with the meanings of this word, HELPMEET.

That was not Eve’s purpose. She was not made for a servant, either. She was there to stand him up and help lead him. Now men do hate this true meaning of Helpmeet. Adam also hated it, and destroyed it, by deceiving her and bringing her into bondage. God did not set her in bondage. Her listening to Adam brought this about. But Jesus delivered us from that bondage.

We see Phoebe in the rightful place of women of God. We see Paul highly commending this powerful Lady Minister.

Praise my God for his glorious TRUTH.

By: Jo Smith�?Oct. 5, 2007