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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 9/6/2008 11:40 PM

~~ Baptism of Fire ~~

To understand the Baptism of Fire, we must see what the difference in the Holy Ghost and the Fire of God is. John the Baptist said, Mt 3:10 And now also the ax is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Mt 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: Mt 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Notice here, that John was baptizing with water, unto repentance. This is the start of our life with God. We must repent of sin and be water baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ, to get these sins remitted. After we have received this remission of sins, by the repentance and baptism, then we must go on to perfection. Next we need to receive the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. Jesus is the one who gives us this baptism. Everyone who is water baptized does NOT receive the Holy Ghost. Most of them simply do not believe in this Baptism of the Holy Ghost, so they never receive it. They bring forth no fruit to perfection.

Jesus said he would send us a comforter. John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

So we see that this Holy Ghost is the Comforter. His job is to teach us all things and to lead and guide us into all truth.

Lu 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? Lu 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. Lu 9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village

The disciples had wanted to call down fire from heaven and consume those men who did not wish to receive Jesus. They mentioned doing as Elias had done, when fire came from heaven and consumed those Baal prophets. But Jesus rebuked them for this and said, Ye know not WHAT MANNER OF SPIRIT YOU ARE OF. See, the Holy Ghost is the spirit to save lives. But the Fire is the Spirit to destroy men’s lives. They are of a total different nature, opposites. Yet both Spirits of from God.

Jesus was showing here that these disciples did not have the spirit of FIRE, at this time. They had the spirit of Grace or saving men’s lives. The Holy Ghost is the Comforter, not the destroyer. Both spirits come from God. But the destroyer will not come until men have refused to obey God and receive the Spirit of the Holy Ghost and obey God. Notice how John shows this, when he said, the AX is laid to the Root of the trees and they are cut down and cast into the FIRE. Which trees were cut down and burned? He said, those which did not bear FRUIT.

So, we see that John did both a baptizing ministry and also a burning ministry. He brought in the people and made them ready for the Christ, or the NT Salvation, by baptizing them unto repentance. But at the same time, he was performing a judgment ministry against those of the old covenant, which would NOT turn from the law unto Grace. He laid his ‘spiritual ax�?to the root of their trees, which were bearing no fruit unto righteousness, and cut them down and cast them into the fire of God’s wrath and destruction. That old covenant of law and prophets, was cut off with the ministry of John the Baptist. All the law and prophets were until John. Since then, the kingdom of heaven is preached.

Now those who repented and accepted John’s baptizing ministry came into the New Covenant, receiving the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. This brought them into the new heavens and earth, the City of God. Those who received the Holy Ghost on the day of Pentecost were the ministers to bring in the new covenant and to translate the people out of that old law covenant, into the New Covenant of Grace. They laid the foundation of this New City of God, the NT Salvation. All who refuse to come into this New Covenant, obeying the message of the Apostles of Jesus, will be cut off and burned, at the end of this age. All who have refused this Grace Salvation, by obeying the Acts 2 message, will be cut down and thrown into the FIRE of God’s wrath, which will burn them and destroy them. Someone has to perform this ministry, as John did to that old law covenant people. These people are the ones who receive the Baptism of FIRE.

They must FIRST be water baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of their sins. Then they must receive the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, by which they are now ministers of the New Covenant and have the wonderful Comforter in themselves. Those who go on to bear fruit for the Kingdom of God, will then be given the Baptism of Fire, for the purpose of cutting down the trees of this old dead church and casting them into the FIRE.

So now, let’s see what the prophets told us about this ministry. First, Joel two.

Joel 2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

Joe 2:2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.

See, the TRUMPET is always associated with the judgments. Sound an ALARM. Why an ALARM? See this also has to do with judgments striking. Let the inhabitants tremble. Why? For the DAY OF THE LORD is nigh or near.

So what is this DAY OF THE LORD? Most people think it is the coming of Jesus to earth. But no, that is not the answer. The Day of the LORD is when He brings his wrath on the land for there sins and rebellion.

Who is he telling to sound this alarm? It is the ones who have the BAPTISM OF FIRE. It is the FIRE coming out of their mouths. See, they have to have the Baptism of FIRE for FIRE to come out of their mouth. So how does it come out of their mouth? It is the WORDS THEY SPEAK.

Verse two, see that he associates this day of the LORD with this great strong people. Who are they? Those who receive the Baptism of Fire. And who is that? Watch and see.

Joel 2:10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

See the above? That is the SIXTH Seal. Re 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

See. Compare those two verses. The earth quake before them�?lo, there was a great earthquake �?same earthquake. See the proof�?sun darkened.. moon dark, turned to blood.

Re 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. Re 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. Re 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. Re 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. [Compare this with Psalm 149].

See here is showing the ministry of his Two witnesses. These two witnesses are the people of God, who had both the Baptism of the Holy Ghost and the Baptism of Fire. Only those who first obeyed Acts 2:38, then received the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, will be given the power of the baptism of Fire. Fire is for judgment and destruction. So no one who is not fully able to listen to God and obey him, discerning spirits, and knowing the Word of God, will be given this power of Fire to speak wrath and destruction to the rebels against God. These are the same people who are in Joel two. They are the ‘locusts�?of Rev. nine. It is all the very same judgment ministry.

These people will bring the wrath of the Lamb on this evil whore church, just as John and the Apostles did upon that old whore of the OT, those who claimed to be followers of Moses.

Joel 2:3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.

Joel 2:4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.

Nothing shall escape this great group of people, who are sounding those trumpets. Notice that they make the land a desolate wilderness. Some wildernesses are exploring new territory. But this is not the case here. It is making them DESOLATE.

Where is that prominent in Scripture? When Jesus pronounced Jerusalem desolate. So Jesus was taking part here, in the judgment ministry. But who was it too? It was to the OLD COVENANT. See, something most people do not understand, all Scripture is for the past, the present and the future. It is always. It is eternal. It always true, no matter when you read it. It must be rightly DIVIDED.

Jesus had a dual ministry. He was bringing the OT to a close, or making them desolate. He was bringing in the New Covenant, or giving them life. One is the Baptism of the Holy Ghost (life). The other is the baptism of Fire (death or judgment). He was life to the NT and death to the OT.

Noah was death to the old world, but he was life to the new world. It always works this way. Now this is an important principal to learn, if you are to fully understand what I am teaching here about the two different baptisms, or ministries.

Verse four is the horsemen in Rev. nine. It is the saints of God equipped with the baptism of Fire. Re 9:16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them. Re 9:17 "And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone. " Re 9:18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

See, the fire coming out of these horsemen’s mouths? This is the same group of people in Joel two. Now I want to show you something. This is not only for the end time, which we are now approaching. It was also back in the days of Jesus Christ.

See, Jesus first, spoke desolation, to that old law covenant, or the OT. Then he sent his anointed witnesses, the apostle and that early church, with both the baptism of the Holy Ghost and the baptism of fire.

Only those who received the Holy Ghost, were eligible to receive the Fire. Now those Apostles did as Jesus. They bought life to the NT saints, via the Holy Ghost. But they also were those horsemen coming against that OT law. John had laid the AX to the root of their trees. But the Apostles chopped them down.

They did this with the FIRE coming out of their mouths. If they rejected the Holy Ghost and the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ, they were set to destruction. So they did the dual ministry as did Jesus. It will be the same with the witnesses today.

We see evidence of this ministry of FIRE when Peter spoke and judgment struck Ananias, and Sapphira his wife, and they immediately died. Then we See Paul manifesting this judgment and destruction ministry as he stuck a man blind and other such occurrences.

We will do a dual ministry. We will be bringing life to those who listen and obey the GOSPEL. But we will be given the FIRE, to speak desolation to this evil church of our day. They will be desolate, because they have rejected the GRACE message, as the Jews did in the days of the Apostles.

Joel 2:5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.

Chariots in Scripture, are God’s angels. So these people are acting in capacity as the power of angels. What is the tops of the mountains? Mountains mean nations, or literally, churches, in our age. In Peter’s day, it was those old Jews and their priests and synagogues. This flame of fire is again the judgment ministry, or spirit of Fire, in these witnesses�?mouths.

Flame is said by Strong’s to be feminine. It shows fire to be the masculine. Rev. nine also shows these ministers to have hair like a woman (meaning the daughters of God) and face like a man, showing both male and female in this powerful ministry.

So, what is this flame of fire doing? Devouring stubble. What is stubble? It is the people who try to serve God by the works of the law, instead of faith/grace.

In Isa. 47, we see mystery Babylon being made desolate. This is that old covenant, for Jesus told them, those Jews of his day, you are guilty of all the righteous blood shed on earth. Same words are said to Babylon in Rev. 18. So they are one and the same. There are many more proofs in the Word, but I will not take that in now. Have shown it many times.

But see that she says I am and none beside me. That is those JEWS who think they are God’s only and chosen people. But they worshipped idols and are the very ones God is destroying. Isa 47:11 Therefore shall evil come upon thee; thou shalt not know from whence it riseth: and mischief shall fall upon thee; thou shalt not be able to put it off: and desolation shall come upon thee suddenly, which thou shalt not know.

See that here she is made DESOLATE. This is the very same one we are showing that Jesus and John made to be DESOLATE. And now the ministers of fire are carrying out that command, to make them desolate.

Now here is the proof that they are the STUBBLE: Isa 47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.

Here is more proof that the wicked are the stubble.

Ob 1:18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.

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Well, skyangel, so called know it all. This is showing just how much you do know. No we are not the same. If you would take time to look at our pictures you probably can tell that there is a big difference in jo and my self. I am a male and she is a female.

Now, who needs to REPENT? MISS KNOW IT ALL.
WHAT ABOUT FALSE ACCUSING?

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Jesus Christ is  ALIVE FOREVERMORE,  not to return no more to corruption.  He is not on any cross, and the wicked catholics try to make him be.  He arose from the dead, to die no more.
 
dying daily is NOT the same thing.  This has to do with dying to SELF,  YOUR OLD WAYS AND SIN.

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From: joie2Sent: 9/16/2008 7:53 PM
managers who must lock up their sites, also have something to hide.  Jesus did not hide his teachings.  He ever spoke openingly.  It is none of your business how many we use , or why we do it.
 
but I never set up one nick with which to DECEIVE anyone with.  and I am not Larry .  Larry happens to be Isaiah.  This is how good you can discern.  'this is also the same kind of false interpretations you do to the Word of God.
 
Many people lie about us, for they hate the truth we teach.  so they cannot tear down the truth we teach, so they must try to tear us down, personally,  They is where you are...joined with them.  bearing false witness, finding fault with out site, etc.
 
We are open before God and the people.  We do nothing for deception.  sure, we both have more than one nick.  managers absolutly have to, if they do much on their sites.  Pictures take up a lot of storage, and we both post lots of pictures here.
 
So now, go hang your head in shame for your attack on innocent soldiers of Jesus Christ.

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Sky, I truly do not care how many people see me delete your ugly attacks on this site.  All managers delete things which they do not like being in their sites, and no one thinks a thinga about it.  Yet let me delete something, and you all try to make great big evil out of it. 
 
mY  Daughter, and her daughter, set this site up, for the glory of God and we have the right to run it as God leads us.  They are managers, here,  but do not come in, as Wanna does not have internet access now, and Rebecca,  (Hannah's mom),  does not have time for it.  But they are still managers because they set this site up, with me.  If something happened to me, they could come in here and still run it or save the messages.
Larry was made a manager, because I know him personally, and know he is a Godly Christian, who knows the truth and I can trust him and his judgment.
 
We are the managers.  Satisfied?
 
I do not go into other people's sites, and attack their site, as you keep doing here, and as so many others do.  I did not mock your site for having only ten members, and half of them were probably you, now did I?  course not.  I am not that kind of evil person.
 
You 'claim' to be a christian, full of love, but this is not love and it is not Christian.  Your attackes on Larry and me, and Bottf, is not of God.  It is of Satan.
 
I do not attack other's sites and I am not going to allow you to come in here and attack Bottf.  We teach more truth here than all the other sites, put together.  And I am a steward of this site and this truth.  So I will not allow you or anyone else, anymore. to come in here and attack this site.
 
When you can stop your slander of this site, for the purpose of putting it down, and ask questions in a Godly and sincere manner, you might get answered.
 
But not in the ugly manner in which you go about ACCUSING US OF EVIL.
 
You know nothing about what we do or why, yet you are so arrogrant and wicked, as to judge us evil, without one word of knowledge of us.
 
You accuse me of using Larry's nicks to answer myself.  That is a lie of the devil and your own wicked mind.
I have never done such a thing,  do not have to,   do not know how to sign in as Larry, or anyone else.  Larry happens to agree with the truth which I teach, not because of me, but because God also taught it to him.
 
I have never used my other nicks here to talk to myself and pretend to be someone else, agreeing with me.  I teach pure truth and do not have to resort to such ungodly tatics.  Enemies of God's truth, which I teach, started and keep telling these lies.  God will judge them of their evil and hatred of his Truth.  same to you.
 
I know that what I teach is truth, and that is sufficient.
 
So now,  just sneer on.  perhaps Tweety will see the evil in what you are doing, using her site to try to tear Bottf down, and let kindness into her heart and DELETE YOU AND YOUR UGLY MESS OUT OF HER SITE.
 
IF NOT,  WHO CARES.  TRUTH WILL STAND.  YOUR LIES PROVE THE EVIL THAT YOU ARE.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/19/2008 5:29 PM
Thank you, Tweety, for your stand for truth and against this wicked woman's interrogation of me.
 
If she thinks that I have to submit to her interrogating me as if I am some kind of criminal and she is some kind of lawyer, she is badly deceived. 
 Her questions were simply ACCUSATIONS.....false accusations....seeking to lead others to hatred of me, and believe her lies.  I reject this kind of wickedness and will not submit to it.  now she can say it proves her accusations, all she wishes,  but that is also a LIE.  she is full OF LIES, AND HATE.
 
It is none of her buisness how I do the things which my God leads me to do.
 
and I flat refuse to be interrogated by this witch.  she is not of god, and I hope she does not get you to believing any of her junkie teachings....telling human beings that they are gods.  such evil.
 
It is true that we have God's spirit in us, if he gave us the Holy Ghost, which she certainly does NOT HAVE.  But it is not true that we have been BEGOTTEN  of God.
 
Jesus was his only begotten Son.  And that was at the resurrection.  Certianly God called Jesus his son before that.  We are also now sons of God.......but not BEGOTTEN.
 
That is the secret.  she knows nothing about the secrets of God, because he is not teaching her.  she flat denies the gifts of His Spirit, so he gives her none of them.
 
We now have the EARNEST of our inheritance, BUT NOT THE FULL BIRTH INTO THE IMAGE OF GOD.  That only happens at the resurrection.
 
That is when GOD BEGETS A SON IN HIM IMAGE,  AT THE RESURRECTION.
 
Before that , we have the EARNEST of that full inheritance.  It was the same with Jesus.
 
God does not contradict himself....if he said,  he begot his son the day he raised Jesus from the dead  (Rom. 1 and Acts 13),  then that is when he begot his son.
 
Why did he say Isaac was Abrahams ONLY BEGOTTEN SON?  See?  Secrets.
Abraham had seven other sons.  why was Isaac the only begotten son?
 
We are now sons of God, BUT IT DOES NOT YET APPEAR      WHAT WE SHALL BE,  FOR WHEN HE APPEARS, THEN WE SHALL SEE HIM AS HE IS, FOR WE SHALL BE LIKE HIM......THEN.
 
That is the day we will be begotten of our Father, Jesus.  But he now has a seed in us..  sons,  yet not begotten......YET.
 
Secrets of which this wicked woman, full of hatred, has no idea.
 
No, just because we get 'ruffed' at your kind of evil, and fight against Satan's false doctrines, does NOT PROVE THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE.  that is your own carnal, wicked mind.
 
It is just this kind of evil accusations that we do not answer you and let you try to put us on the defensive, AS IF WE DID HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE.  WE HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE,  BUT IT STILL IS NONE OF YOUR BUISNESS, WHAT WE DO ON THIS SITE OF HOW WE DO IT, ANYMORE THAN IT WOULD BE YOUR BUSINESS WHAT I DO HERE IN MY OWN HOME.
 
AGAIN, IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT HERE,  NO ONE IS HOLDING YOU.  AND STOP YOUR LIES THAT I WANT YOU GONE.  IF I DID, I COULD MOST CERTAINLY GET RID OF YOU AS I HAVE MANY BEFORE YOU.
 
I DO NOT LIKE YOUR LIES, BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT I WANT YOU GONE.
 
BUT I AM TIRED OF THIS USELESS FIGHT.  I INTEND TO GET BACK TO MY TEACHING AND LET YOUR DRY OUT IN YOUR OWN SMUT.
 
Jo

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