MSN Home  |  My MSN  |  Hotmail
Sign in to Windows Live ID Web Search:   
go to MSNGroups 
Free Forum Hosting
 
Important Announcement Important Announcement
The MSN Groups service will close in February 2009. You can move your group to Multiply, MSN’s partner for online groups. Learn More
Build on the True Foundation[email protected] 
  
What's New
  
  Welcome  
  Welcome, by Isaiah  
  All topics  
  Pictures  
  Holy KJV Bible  
  Links  
  Posting guide  
  EMMANUEL  
  Emmanuel--Part two  
  Proof of Emmanuel  
  In The Beginnig  
  Question&Answer  
  Wel./new members  
  Testimonies  
  on trinity  
  On Jesus only  
  Jesus  
  Baptism  
  Gifts of Spirit  
  Law & Sabbath  
  Grace  
  Peace  
  Salvation  
  Eve  
  Adam; Satan  
  The Beginning  
  God and Jesus  
  Day of Lord  
  Church: Israel  
  Genesis  
  The WORD  
  Women  
  Rapture?  
  Revelation  
  Beast Heads  
  Fall of OT  
  Psalm  
  Special Verses  
  Prayer Request  
  Dake's Studies  
  Let's Praise Him  
  Dreams /Visions  
  Family  
  SACRED NAME  
  gift messages  
  Ellen White  
  Holidays  
  Heresy  
  Triva Board  
  Health Tips  
  For Unbelievers  
  Birthdays  
    
  
  
  Tools  
 
For Unbelievers : New unbelievers board
Choose another message board
 
     
Reply
 Message 1 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameSobeit33  (Original Message)Sent: 7/11/2004 2:44 AM
This board is being set up for those who wish to slander God, post doubt-building messages; old law messages; or any other thing of this nature which is NOT condusive to true Christian belief and living.
 
Those of you posting this kind of stuff, either use this message board, or have your messages deleted out of here.
 
This group is for the GLORY AND PRAISE OF JESUS CHRIST, THE KING JAMES SCRIPTURES, AND GOD THE FATHER.
 
Unless you wish to do this, either do NOT post at all, or use this board.
 
Jo-- manager for Jesus and truth.
 
All messags of this nature which are posted on my General board will be deleted without exception.
 
If you wish to call Jesus ugly stuff, you better place it here or lose it.  I mean it!


First  Previous  2-11 of 11  Next  Last 
Reply
 Message 2 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameJoe44-------11123Sent: 7/11/2004 2:47 AM
I am so sorry,I didn't know that I was not allowed to use Old Testament verses.

Reply
 Message 3 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameSobeit33Sent: 7/11/2004 2:57 AM
Joe, we use all Scripture and teach all Scripture.  But it must be rightly divided and interpreted for THE GRACE AGE WE ARE IN.
 
Now your sarcasim and snide remarks do not deceive me one little bit.  You wish only to slander God, truth, Christianity, and any good.
 
Now if you wish to be an atheist and God's enemy, that is your business.  But take it to the unbelievers page from now on.  That way folks will know unbelievers are saying this evil mess you are saying.
 
You apparently are in the wrong group:  you need to join with the atheists and slander to your hearts content.
 
I can tell the difference in sincere folks truly seeking answers and those of YOU who are only seeking to cast doubt and evil against the one who loved you and gave himself for your sins so you can receive forgiveness and eternal life.
 
But since you do not wish this eternal life, go use the unbeliever's page.
 
.....else your stuff is going to be deleted without exception.
 
I mean this!
 
Jo, manager for Jesus and TRUTH.

Reply
 Message 4 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameTweety134Sent: 3/30/2008 3:34 PM
He is at it again on another board.  Tweety
 
From: <NOBR>MSN Nickname_MrWonder_</NOBR> Sent: 3/29/2008 10:55 AM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameYESHUWAHs</NOBR> Sent: 3/27/2008 1:10 PM
You and I don't share in the same God.
 
Agreed.
 
Nor do we read the same Bible.
 
Wrong. We don't read it the same way. I believe what is written in it and you choose to believe what you want to believe, despite what is written in it.
 
You don't even know who my Jesus is.
 
Yes, I do. He is the false messiah.
 
I am telling you that MY GOD tells ME that no man is perfect other than HIM.
 
And my God says His believers are to be perfect, as their Father in Heaven is perfect.
 
MT 5:48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
 
Looks like my God is actually the God of the Scriptures. Your god is one of your own making, apparently.
 
It's nice to read what your god tells you though.
 
It is not so nice to see how you deny the Scriptures, though.

 
Reply
Recommend  Message 3 of 31 in Discussion 
From: <NOBR>MSN Nickname_MrWonder_</NOBR> Sent: 3/29/2008 10:58 AM
In the post above, Yeshuwah's is conversing with Silver Wings.
 
In that post he says that the Lord Jesus Christ is the FALSE MESSIAH, yet HE QUOTES THE LORD JESUS CHRIST in Matthew 5.48 and calls the Lord Jesus "my God".
 
WHY?  WHAT'S YOUR BEEF, Yeshuwah's?
 
MrWonder--The Lord Jesus's.

 
Reply
Recommend  Message 4 of 31 in Discussion 
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameYESHUWAHs</NOBR> Sent: 3/29/2008 11:05 AM
 
Periodically you make insulting references to the Lord Jesus Christ, but then you quote "your God" and they are the actual quotes of the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, "our God".
 
I do not see them as quotes of jesus christ, though.
 
Is it not a fact that your problem with our Lord Jesus is the transliteration of "Yeshua Hamaschiach" to the English equivalent of "Jesus Christ"? 
 
No. It is mostly doctrinal.
 
Or are you trying to tell us that the Person in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John (Yochanan for you ) is not the Messiah, not God in the flesh, and is actually an impostor?
 
I believe in the Messiah who came to Israel. I have always said such.
 
Do you not know that Peter is Pedro in Spanish? 
 
So?
 
Shaul is Paul in English, but is Pablo in Spanish. 
 
So?
 
And Yeshua Hamaschiach is Jesus Christ in English. 
 
You are wrong. I have explained it before but no one seems willing to hear it.
 
What is your beef with English-speaking people speaking English?
 
None. I speak English.
 
Can we reach a common ground or understanding here?
 
Doubtful. I believe in the Messiah sent to Israel and you believe in jesus. There is enmity between us because of it.
 
RO 8:6 [KJV] For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
 
 

 
Reply
Recommend  Message 5 of 31 in Discussion 
From: <NOBR>MSN Nickname_MrWonder_</NOBR> Sent: 3/29/2008 11:10 AM
I do not see them as quotes of jesus christ, though.
 
They are quotes of Jesus Christ.
 
You just admitted you have made yourself a god of your own imagination.
 
God created man in God's image and you have created a god in your own image.
 
That's pitiful.
 
Jesus Christ is the Messiah to Israel and said so in John 8.  You deny Him and He denies you.  That makes your god Satan, by default.  Quote your devil and quit quoting the Lord Jesus.  At least you will then be honest.  Your glorying goes to Lucifer, not to YHWH.

 
Reply
Recommend  Message 6 of 31 in Discussion 
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameYESHUWAHs</NOBR> Sent: 3/29/2008 11:48 AM
 
They are quotes of Jesus Christ.
 
I do not see them as quotes of jesus christ, though.
 
You just admitted you have made yourself a god of your own imagination.
 
You are twisting in the wind.
 
God created man in God's image and you have created a god in your own image.
 
How ridiculous. I have simply believed what is written. Man is created in God's image in Gen. If God and man are the same, then God has heart, soul and mind, as Messiah tells us man does. God must also be male and female at the same time.
 
That's pitiful.
 
Save your pity for yourself.
 
Jesus Christ is the Messiah to Israel and said so in John 8.  You deny Him and He denies you. 
 
I am happy your jesus denies me and I deny him. Otherwise, I would be a sinner, like you.
 
That makes your god Satan, by default. 
 
One of us truly worships haSatan. You say it is me and I say it is you.
 
Quote your devil and quit quoting the Lord Jesus. 
 
I never quote jesus. You do.
 
At least you will then be honest. 
 
I am always honest. You should try it sometime.
 
Your glorying goes to Lucifer, not to YHWH.
 
You are not one to judge a child of God.
1CO 5:11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the Qahal? Are you not to judge those inside? 'Elohiym will judge those outside. "Expel the rasha` from among you."

 
Reply
Recommend  Message 7 of 31 in Discussion 
From: Pastorswife_Lisa Sent: 3/29/2008 11:51 AM
Yesh, I think I am starting to see a little more clearly on what you believe. Now I have a question.  If you believe in the KJV Bible then why do you not believe that JESUS CHRIST is the God of Israel?

 
Reply
Recommend  Message 8 of 31 in Discussion 
From: <NOBR>MSN Nickname_MrWonder_</NOBR> Sent: 3/29/2008 12:12 PM
JESUS CHRIST is the GOD of Israel, boy.  John 8.

 
Reply
Recommend  Message 9 of 31 in Discussion 
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameYESHUWAHs</NOBR> Sent: 3/29/2008 12:14 PM
JESUS CHRIST is the GOD of Israel, boy.  John 8.
 
That is a lie. Jesus christ is the false messiah and his followers are headed straight for hell if they do not repent. 'Eliyahuw is coming.

Reply
 Message 5 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameTweety134Sent: 3/30/2008 3:45 PM
Here is more of Satan's stuff:
Reply
Recommend  Message 13 of 31 in Discussion 
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameDiane1758</NOBR> Sent: 3/29/2008 12:36 PM
Please provide the history of the name Jesus.  Where does the name come from?  What language?  What language were the scriputres originally written in?  If you can answer these questions correctly then you will know that the Lord's name is not Jesus. 

 
Reply
The number of members that recommended this message. 0 recommendations  Message 14 of 31 in Discussion 
  Sent: 3/29/2008 12:36 PM
This message has been deleted by the manager or assistant manager.

 
Reply
Recommend  Message 15 of 31 in Discussion 
From: Joseph7 Sent: 3/29/2008 12:45 PM
As far as the transliteration of names, it is the same with almost all names.Look at how the old testament characters names are written in the new testament compared to the old.
Also, my name Joseph is pronounce Yosef in Hebrew, it is hosef in spanish (other variations of it in spanish to as joe ,joey is short for joseph)It is gessip, and gussppe in German and Italian .Do I go ballistic over it?Why should I?
Dint GOD make all these other languages at the tower of babel?
The translators considered the name YHWH to sacred to write and substituted the what we have as LORD and GOD.
If you look up the definitions we go by as a people, the word GOD means supreme deity.People go by the CURRENT use of the word not the ancient roots because the words have lost those ancient root meanings over time with usage.
Just like the words cool, hot used in every day language.
YESHUAH is called King of KINGS and LORD of lords.
we know baal means "lord" OR "master".JESUS was referred to as both.YESHUAH is the TRUE MASTER AND LORD though whereas baal is a demonic man made creation given that title.
I have also heard hell condemning comments on the name YESHAUH, I have heard it is NOT YESHUAH but YEHOSHUAH ,or YASHUA, OR YEASHUAH.YASHUAH and many condemn the other to hell over the H on the end etc.
We didnt translate the Bible, but the LORD knows all languages, HE knows what we have available to us and is merciful.Ive always known YESHUAH by the english version of JESUS and called out to HIM.If I had not I dont know where I would be today, HE has done so much for me.
When someone can show me where it says HIS anme MUST be pronounced in the hebrew tongue or its hell for them, then I will worry about it a little more.Yes YESHUAH IS the Hebrew and many people do not speak it, and there are words in the Hebrew language we do not have an equivalent for.Why the translators transliterated names instead of translated them phonetically as with almost all words is beyond me.Thats the fault of the translators, not the readers, but does GOD understand this?Or do you think of HIM as ignorant and intolerant of honest error?
What does the Old law say about a man who sins in ignorance ?It says he isnt responsible for making atonement until he is aware of it.the NAME JESUS in our english language IS in reference to YESHUAH and none other.
None of the other so called gods had Peter James and John, or died for our sins, or gave us the SPIRIT of GOD for obeying the gospel that was preached by the apostles.
Think about it a while.
From: <NOBR>MSN Nickname_MrWonder_</NOBR> Sent: 3/29/2008 1:00 PM
AMEN, Joseph.  Very good post.
 
The hypocrite denigrates the Lord Jesus Christ, the only wise God, and then quotes from John instead of Yochanan.  What hypocrisy.
 
SISTER LISA, I call your attention to post 14 where he calls the Lord Jesus Christ the devil.
 
He's got to go.
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameYESHUWAHs</NOBR> Sent: 3/29/2008 3:14 PM
As far as the transliteration of names, it is the same with almost all names.Look at how the old testament characters names are written in the new testament compared to the old.
 
It is no surprise that christians should refuse to hear truth.
 
Also, my name Joseph is pronounce Yosef in Hebrew, it is hosef in spanish (other variations of it in spanish to as joe ,joey is short for joseph)It is gessip, and gussppe in German and Italian .Do I go ballistic over it?Why should I?
Dint GOD make all these other languages at the tower of babel?

No. English came into being in the fifth century AD. It is the language of modern Babylon. It is the confused compilation of words from every language created by God at the tower of Babel.

The translators considered the name YHWH to sacred to write and substituted the what we have as LORD and GOD.
 
What good is superstition for the people of God? This would be evidence they were not His people.

If you look up the definitions we go by as a people, the word GOD means supreme deity. People go by the CURRENT use of the word not the ancient roots because the words have lost those ancient root meanings over time with usage.
 
'Elohiym, the Hebrew word translated as 'god,' does not mean supreme being, though. It is more paganism in the christian churches.

Just like the words cool, hot used in every day language.
YESHUAH is called King of KINGS and LORD of lords.
 
Melek mlakiym w'Adonai 'adoniym does not mean 'king of kings and lord of lords.' Your translators were not men of God. That is why their translations are so error-filled.

we know baal means "lord" OR "master".JESUS was referred to as both.YESHUAH is the TRUE MASTER AND LORD though whereas baal is a demonic man made creation given that title.
 
I disagree. I believe your jesus is "the demonic man made creation given that title."

I have also heard hell condemning comments on the name YESHAUH, I have heard it is NOT YESHUAH but YEHOSHUAH ,or YASHUA, OR YEASHUAH.YASHUAH and many condemn the other to hell over the H on the end etc.
 
There is only one Name, according to the Scriptures. Christians would have people believe there are many, that it doesn't matter what a person calls the messiah as long as they call him something. How ridiculous. How about I call you Johnny instead of Joseph because I like that word better.

We didnt translate the Bible, but the LORD knows all languages, HE knows what we have available to us and is merciful.
 
Hebrew is available to all who are willing to study it. So is Greek.
 
Ive always known YESHUAH by the english version of JESUS and called out to HIM.If I had not I dont know where I would be today, HE has done so much for me.
 
The word Yeshuw`ah has no English equivalent. You are using the equivalent of Yhowshua`, which is actually joshua in English, not jesus. Jesus is a Latin form of the Greek 'iesous.' No worshipping in truth for christians, right.

When someone can show me where it says HIS anme MUST be pronounced in the hebrew tongue or its hell for them, then I will worry about it a little more.
 
Consider yourself shown. The name jesus is simply not the same name as Yeshuw`ah, the Name of the Messiah sent to Israel.
 
Yes YESHUAH IS the Hebrew and many people do not speak it, and there are words in the Hebrew language we do not have an equivalent for.
 
Yeshuw`ah is one of them, as far as a name goes. Yeshuw`ah means 'salvation.'
 
Why the translators transliterated names instead of translated them phonetically as with almost all words is beyond me.Thats the fault of the translators, not the readers, but does GOD understand this?Or do you think of HIM as ignorant and intolerant of honest error?
 
It is not honest error to refuse to "study to shew thyself approved unto God."

What does the Old law say about a man who sins in ignorance?
 
It is not ignorance to refuse to "study to shew thyself approved unto God."
 
It says he isnt responsible for making atonement until he is aware of it.
 
You have been made aware of the problem with the name jesus. Deal with it.
 
the NAME JESUS in our english language IS in reference to YESHUAH and none other.
 
They are not the same name.

 

 
Reply
Recommend  Message 19 of 31 in Discussion 
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameYESHUWAHs</NOBR> Sent: 3/29/2008 3:15 PM
The hypocrite denigrates the Lord Jesus Christ, the only wise God, and then quotes from John instead of Yochanan.  What hypocrisy.
 
Obviously you don't have a clue what hypocrite means. I am not surprised.
 
 
 

Reply
 Message 6 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameTweety134Sent: 3/30/2008 3:53 PM
Here is the last of Satan's preachin on the other board. Do you see how he puts the name JESUS CHRIST IN SMALL LETTERS?
From: <NOBR>MSN Nickname_MrWonder_</NOBR> Sent: 3/29/2008 4:16 PM
Sure I know what "hypocrite" means.  It's in my dictionary:
 
hyp·o·crite      
–noun
1. Yeshuwah's, i.e., a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2.  Yeshuwah's, the person on DF.

 
Reply
Recommend  Message 21 of 31 in Discussion 
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameYESHUWAHs</NOBR> Sent: 3/29/2008 4:20 PM
Then you simply misused it. I do exactly what I claim to believe. Therefore, I am no hypocrite.
 
You, on the other hand, claim to believe in the Messiah sent to Israel, yet do nothing you claim to believe, which is everything He said believers must do in order to be called His. Therefore, you ARE a hypocrite.
Reply
Recommend  Message 23 of 31 in Discussion 
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameYESHUWAHs</NOBR> Sent: 3/29/2008 4:34 PM
I am a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ and I make NO apology for it.
 
I have never disputed that fact, either. I believe you are a follower of the lord jesus christ, as well.

Reply
 Message 7 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/30/2008 4:40 PM
Tweety, you better be careful....calling this 'Jesus-hating jerk' satan.  You will be branded as evil, like I am.  You are being 'unkind' to point out this monster's lies.
 
I say the name,  'yeshuah' and all other concocted spellings of this is actually a hidden name of Satan.
 
It crosses my Spirit and I know I have the Holy Ghost.  God rebuked me for trying to worship, using that name, for the sole purpose of 'testing' it.  He proved he does not like that name.
 
btw.  Jesus did not ever,   see,  never, ever, have a Hebrew name.   This mistake is leading many honest Christians, such as that Joseph, into believing this lie.
 
Hebrew means OT.  Jesus did not EVER HAVE AN OT NAME.  He had to have a NT name, as did JOHN THE BAPTIST.
JOHN STARTED HIS NEW AGE.  IF HE HAD TO HAVE A NT NAME, THEN MOST CERTAINLY DID JESUS ALSO.
 
Now that is the kind of revelation my God, the True God, speaks to me.

Reply
 Message 8 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameTweety134Sent: 3/30/2008 11:14 PM
Freeborn,
I call them like I see them. If he acts like Satan, preahes like Satan, then he is like Satan. Let me be branded evil. I know I am not evil. I will show him his evil ways. Repent or BE GONE!  TWEETY

Reply
 Message 9 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameTweety134Sent: 3/31/2008 12:34 AM
Yeshwah was banned tonight from Discussion Forum. If he comes here, we will ban him after we give him a good fight.  Tweety

Reply
 Message 10 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/31/2008 2:32 AM
lol, Tweety.  Tell it like it is.  I am glad to have you join in o n this fight.  It is time other Christians realize their obligation to the kingdom of God and help war with these enemies of Jesus.
 
He will not return here.  He has given it two runs and could not deal with the truth we give him.

Reply
 Message 11 of 11 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameTweety134Sent: 4/7/2008 1:44 AM
Another False Prophet!!!
I will deal with the first part of what this man is saying. I know who he is, I think he was here before. Well his group has put the KJV Holy Scriptures together with the KORAN and calling it the KING OF KINGS BIBLE. This is part 1 of the writing. I will deal with this. Tweety
 
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameRobJDI5</NOBR>  (Original Message) Sent: 4/5/2008 9:20 PM
THIS IS A GREAT MYSTERY

MARRIAGE GUIDANCE



By D. P. Grafton

Edited; Corrected and Supplemented by JAH

http://jahtruth.net/marguide.htm




Introduction


I. FOR THIS CAUSE

a) "but from the beginning"

b) Codified Law

c) "a help meet"

d) Human authority and submission


II. A BILL OF DIVORCEMENT

a) "some uncleanness"

b) "for every cause?"


III. DIVINE MARRIAGE

a) "put my name on them"

b) "Israel committed adultery"

c) "I will betroth thee"


IV. HIS BODY

a) The Community

b) "caught up together"


V. MAY BE ONE IN US

a) "Till all be fulfilled"

b) "reigned with Christ"

c) "the Bride, the Lamb's wife"


VI. CONCLUSION






THIS IS A GREAT MYSTERY



INTRODUCTION

Paul, the mighty expositor of Divine Will is declared by the Risen Son to be "a chosen vessel unto me to bear my name before the Gentiles and kings and the children of Israel," (Acts 9:15) and this man, chosen and commissioned by the Lord, has this to say. "By one man sin entered into the world and death by sin: and so death passed upon all men for that all have sinned." (Rom. 5:12) He states that restoration of sinning mankind is "through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. Whom God hath sent forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God." (Rom. 3:24-25)

We are thereby told that the opening chapters of the book of Genesis are Divinely inspired in recording man's fall from grace and his promised salvation.

In his second letter to Timothy, Paul says, "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." (2 Tim.3:16) By "all Scripture" Paul is of course referring to the Old Testament, so that this "chosen vessel" of the Lord is claiming for the books of Genesis to Malachi, their "inspiration of God".

In these books, the "profitable" doctrine and the "instruction" in righteousness is taught by precept and example, and therefore we must see in them a Self Revelation of the Godhead and His Purpose.

The prime example shown man is in the Israel nation. Formed by the LORD for this express purpose, the Divine Law given her reveals in its outworking the Doctrine of Righteousness, of which one of the great examples is the series of Feasts of YHWH - "I AM". Another is the family relationship of husband and wife in which the marriage bond teaches by Law and demonstration the relationship between God and His creatures. Yet another is in the teaching that the body of believers ­ the Assembly or Community ­ is the Body of Christ.

Paul in his letter to the Ephesians (5:21-32) brings these last two points together, and argues that our Lord is both "head of the Community" ­ the Body, and that believers are united to Him as is a wife to her husband. "This is a great mystery" Paul claims, and indeed it is. Wonderful; Mystical, yet in this unity of the created with the Divine is the whole message of the Scriptures.

As a first step then in attempting an understanding of the "great mystery" it is necessary to look in detail at God's physical Marriage Laws in considerable depth, in order to understand their spiritual teaching.




I. FOR THIS CAUSE


a) "but from the beginning"

The first statement concerning marriage and the family unit is given in Genesis 1:27-28. Here we have the fact of the creation of man and woman and the power vested in them, but it is in Genesis 2:18-24 we have the detail.

The man is a solitary being, possessing dominion over all other life on Earth, but "the LORD God, said, It is not good that man should be alone: I will make him a help meet for him". So, from the bone of man ­ the very foundation of his body ­ was brought forth his "help meet" (i.e. a companion suitable for him, a helper to help him, not to be his equal) and Adam named her "Woman, because she was taken out of Man".

The announcement is then made. "Therefore shall a man leave his father and mother: and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh". We are thus shown that a whole man is man plus woman. A unity of bone and flesh ­ one body.

This unity of man plus woman receives Divine Blessing and Command. "God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth and subdue it". From this union the males and females would continue the pattern of I+I=I, and be the way of life under Edenic conditions with the unity of man and woman spiritually at-one with God.

The Son, co-eternal with the Father and Holy Spirit, when questioned by a group of Pharisees concerning divorce, answers by citing the above passage from Genesis, and so doing confirms Divine Authority of the statements. "Have you not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female. And said, For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and they shall be one flesh?"

This is fundamental Law of the LORD. It is His Will, and is both factual and symbolic.

When by disobedience man separated himself from the Godhead, he spiritually as well as physically put himself out of Eden. This sinning degenerate creature, unable by his own efforts to regain spiritual understanding; unable to regain knowledge of Divine Law, must continually and totally act according to the power of anti-God into whose hands he had placed himself. But, if that man accepts the Divine Redemption offered him, then he will seek to be obedient to Divine Law in all things, including the marriage bond.

This is explained by our Lord to the Pharisees thus. "Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it be] for fornication (NOT adultery), and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.." That is, the marriage law of one man plus one obedient woman. Thus whoever of degenerate, sinful man, will accept the "I AM"'s Redemption, "the redemption that is in Christ Jesus," will be so strengthened and enlightened that he will "be able to receive it" - the message about the three types of eunuch. In other words, Divine Law can only be practised by God-fearing men and women, who are born again as their spirit-Being.

Matthew 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it be] for fornication (NOT adultery), and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
19:10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with [his] wife, it is not good to marry.
19:11 But he said unto them, All [men] cannot receive this saying, save [they] to whom it is given.
19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from [their] mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the Kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive [it], let him receive [it].


b) Codified Law

At Sinai the descendants of Jacob-Israel accepted to be the "I AM"'s Servant nation. In the world of anti-God systems, they would be a working model of the Power and Beneficence of the "I AM", and show that peace, plenty and kindliness was His Will for mankind.

What had been a loosely knit tribal community, was soon to be a nation, settled in her own territory and therefore requiring a uniform, or central government, with a Law to deal with personal; national and international life at every level. And so, this new nation Israel, received from the "I AM" God, His codified Law, the foundation of which was the Ten Commandments. (Ex. 20:1-17)

It is the 7th, "Thou shalt not commit adultery" and the 5th, "Honour thy father and mother" of these Commandments on which rest the inter-relationship of the family unit, and which concern us most in this enquiry.

In the context of the 7th Commandment, Israel were given rules of conduct, and warned against certain practices enumerated in Leviticus 18. Verses 6-23 state the relationships within which marriage is forbidden, and rules against homosexuality and intercourse between man or woman and beast.

These were not academic conditions which might occur. On the contrary, they were practised by all the peoples the Israelites had lived among, and would continue to be close neighbours of. The ultimate horror in these nations was surely that of human sacrifice, when children were sacrificed in burnt-offering to the fire-god, Molech, as a propitiatory act. (Lev. 20:1-5)

This same chapter 20 of Leviticus contains the judgments for breaking The Laws we have mentioned, to the end that the nation be clean in the sight of the "I AM". Thus aliens within the nation were subject to exactly the same Law as the Israelite born. This was essential if the nation be an example to unregenerate mankind, and is expressly stated in Lev. 18:26-27. "Ye shall therefore keep My Statutes and My Judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations: neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you: (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled)."

How different would have been the history of mankind had that Command been obeyed. But in after years, Israel permitted alien customs and heathen worship to take place in her midst, and brought on herself judgment by deportation.


c) "a help meet"

At the time of creation of woman, the suitable companion for Adam, it should be noted that woman is to be man's helper. The one is the complement of the other, therefore they are a perfect unity, under Divine direction.

But after their act of disobedience, that unity is lost; the harmony between them becomes discord, and they no longer have confidence in each other. The man blames the woman for his state, and she blames the power that tempted her. But, it could well be that in time; rather than acknowledge her crime and accept her own responsibility for it; she would blame the man for not preventing her action, so that a growing tension between them is inevitable.

Divine intervention with Law for this new condition of the sinning creatures, places authority in the man, and the woman hears the pronouncement, "thy desire [shall be subject] to thy husband, and HE SHALL RULE OVER THEE". (Gen. 3:16)

A supreme authority there must be to maintain order. When the unity of man and woman was obedient to the "I AM", there was peace on Earth, the ultimate authority resting on the One Source.

But in discord between man and woman and between that unit in separation from the "I AM", restoration of law and order must be movement from the Godhead to the creatures. So the demonstration of this is set up by the "I AM" proclaiming that in the first being (man) remains Authority, whether in Divine Presence or degraded, sinful humanity.

Obedience then to Divine Law is the means whereby the man and woman recover their contact with the "I AM", and is also the means of bringing peace between themselves. Thus unity, harmony and peace are again shown to be in obedience to Divine Authority.


Excerpt from Philip's Gospel

When Eve was in Adam there was no death; but when she was separated from him death came into being. If she go in again, and he take her to himself, death will no longer exist. For this reason a man and woman will leave their parents and cleave one (the woman) to the other (the man) becoming one flesh.

She or he who loves anyone or anything more than me and being part of me (Christ) and allows them, or it, to come in between is unworthy of me and will die.

If the woman had not separated from the man, and had not gone apart from him to talk to Satan, deciding to believe Satan in preference to God, thereby calling God the liar, she would not die with and have caused the man to die. His separation through worshipping the woman first rather than God became the beginning of death. Because of this Christ came, in order that he might remove the separation which was from the beginning, and again unite the two; and that he might give life to those who died in the separation, and unite them (in serving God). But the woman is united to the man in the "Bridal Chamber". Only those who have united in "The Bridal Chamber" (of God) will no longer be separated. Because of this Eve separated from Adam, because she was not united to him in the "Bridal Chamber" of God, and went to serve Satan in his world where he comes between man and woman and between both of them and God.

He whom the woman loves, those whom she will bear are like him: if her husband (or God), they are like her husband (or God); if it is an adulterer (or Satan), they are like the adulterer (or Satan). Often if a woman sleeps with her husband of necessity, but her heart is with the adulterer (or Satan) with whom she is wont to consort (in his world), then what she bears she bears in the likeness of the adulterer (or Satan). But you who are with the Son of God, love not the world but love the Lord, that those you bring forth may not be like unto the world but may be like the Lord.

Man mixes with man, horse mixes with horse, ass mixes with ass. The kinds mix with those of like kind. So also spirit is wont to mix only with spirit and the Word to consort with the Word and the Light to consort with the Light. If thou become man men will love thee. If thou become spirit the Spirit will be joined to thee. If thou become (and not just speak) the Word, it is the Word which will mix with thee. If thou become Light, it is the Light which will consort with thee. If thou become one of those who belong above, those who belong above will find their rest in thee. If thou become horse or ass or bull or dog or goat or any other animal of those outside and those below (or as in the case of some people all of them), then neither man nor Spirit, nor the Word nor Light, nor those above nor those within will be able to love thee. They will not be able to find rest in or with thee and thou hast no part in them.

He or she who is a slave against his or her will will be able to become free. He who has become free by the favour of his master and has sold himself again into slavery to his master's enemy will no longer be able to be free. (Seven devils enter the clean house and he is worse then than he was in his first state).

End of the excerpt from the Gospel of Philip which is contained in "The King of kings' Bible" - by JAH


First  Previous  2-11 of 11  Next  Last 
Return to For Unbelievers