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Tweety wanted to discuss this: Tweety 1 John 3:4-10 (KJV)
3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. Me: As I read this I saw something I had never realized before. I will make this brief tonight, and come back to it later. v4. Whosoever committeth sin transgresses the law. for...sin IS the transgression of the law. My, my. How powerful and clear this is, proving that all I have taught on the law is the solid truth. Do you not see this? It is so clear here. If you sin, you are transgressing the law. But...watch this glory: | Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. |
The law works wrath, but the children of God will not be under wrath. why? Where no law is, there is NO TRANGRESSION. See? If one sins, they are transgressing the LAW, because if he is under the law, then God requires his sins of him, or imputes his sins to him. He is thus guilty. He is sinning, because he is under the law and transgressing the law. But.... if he is not under the law, then he is not sinning. Where there is no law, there is no transgression, or sin. | (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. |
Sin is not imputed when there is no law. So, when is there, 'no law'? When one is in Grace, or the NT Holy Ghost salvation. Here is what Strong's says about 'manifested': 1) to make manifest or visible or known what has been hidden or unknown,
to manifest, whether by words, or deeds, or in any other way
1a) make actual and visible, realised
1b) to make known by teaching
1c) to become manifest, be made known
1d) of a person
1d1) expose to view, make manifest, to show one's self, appear
1e) to become known, to be plainly recognised, thoroughly understood
1e1) who and what one is
Look at #1: To make known what has been hidden or unknown. That is great. Jesus made known to the world the message of GRACE. He showed the world how to be free from sin. No one had known before the power of being under Grace. Jesus was the very embodiement of Grace. So to be in Jesus, is to be in Grace. To be in Grace, is to be FREE OF SIN. Where there is no law, there is no sin, for sin is transgressing the law. If we are not under that law, we cannot be guilty of transgressing it. This has been my message for years, trying to get people free of that law. For to be under that law, is to be in sin. No one can keep it. Do not kid yourselves. You cannot keep it. No one could be clear of sin, if they attempt to do it by the works of the law. So Jesus was MANIFESTED to take away our sin. How? By showing us the message of GRACE. By baptizing us into the body of Christ, where there is no sin. In Jesus, in Christ, in him, there is no sin. So if we are in him, we cannot be in sin. If we are in sin, then it is clear, that we cannot be in him. For in him is no sin. If we abide in him, we have no sin. If we abide in him, we are in grace and not under law, therefore we have no sin. So as long as we abide in him, in his grace, we do not sin, for we have no sin. There is no sin in him. If we abide in him, then we do righteousness, else we would not be in him. If we are not under law, then we are righteous, by faith. The law is not of faith, therefore those under the law are in sin, for they have no faith. Now watch this. It is powerful. v8--He that committeth sin is of the devil. It proves what I have been teaching...if you are under the law, it is of the devil. That law is not of God, because if you are sinning, you are of the devil. If you are under the law, you are sinning, for sin is the transgression of the law, and where there is no law, there is no sin. So the only way to not be in sin or sinning, is to not be under that law, and the only way to not be under that law, is by being baptized, by the Holy Ghost, the Acts way, into the body of Christ. Without this baptism of the Holy Ghost, all are still under that law and therefore of the devil, because they have rejected the NT Grace Salvation. By being baptized into Christ, his seed is in us, and therefore, by being in Christ, we CANNOT SIN, for we are not under the law, and where there is no law, there is no sin. He was manifested to take away our sins. So if we are in him, he has taken away our sins and it is manifest that we are the children of God, because we do righteousness. Therefore, the children of the devil declare their status, by declaring that they are still under the law. Under the law, they have their sins, still imputed to them. So because they refused the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, with the NT evidence of speaking in tongues, they are of the devil and still in their sins. Thus the children of God are manifested in that they do not sin and are baptized with the Holy Ghost, which almost everyone hates. Cain slew Abel, because his own works were evil. Cain stayed under that law and hated the message of Grace. So he killed Abel, because Abel refused the law system. Everything proves this message of Adam and Cain taking that law. We have a LAW, and by our LAW, He ought to die. It all started with the murder of ABEL. By: Jo Smith ~~ Oct. 3, 2008 |
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Freeborn, Look at this: Now let me explain what I see. Verse 4 is Speaking of Jesus coming to us, Now look at this, as unto a living stone, see those 10 commandements in the O.T brought death. Thos two tablets of stone. Remember when Satan tempted Jesus and wanted him to turn the stones of the OT into bread? Remember when you said that Satan wanted to make the law bread for man? So when you read these verses that is what it means. Something else I saw-remember in the OT when GOD called the children Israel "My peculiar People"? Look at what it says in verse 9. The people that are in grace are GOD's perculliar people. Not the people that are under the OT law. So the Jews are no longer GOD's perculiar people. WE (THE CHILDREN OF GRACE ARE). Do you see what I see? Tweety 1 Peter 2:4-9 (KJV)
2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
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Yes! Amen! Tweety, that is absolutely true and great discernment of God's truth. this is a powerful and necessary study. We are getting into deep waters and feeding upon the fatness and glory of His Pasture. The 'builders' were those old law Jews, who thought, see? just thought, that they were God's chosen and peculiar people. But they never were. Not those of law. It has always been those of FAITH. the Law is not of faith. so it had to be the Grace people. (from Noah on down). Jesus said, if you BELIEVE and are BAPTIZED, shall be saved.....then he said, these signs SHALL, no guess work, no maybe, SHALL OR WILL follow them that BELIEVE......IF THEY REALLY BELIEVE.....IN MY NAME they shall cast out devils, (Pentecostal stuff)... speak IN NEW TONGUES. (In reading this before sending it, I saw something: Look at the spelling of BELIEVE. iT ends with EVE.) More Pentecostal stuff. wHY ONly pentecostals? Because we came in by FAITH, AND ACCEPTED AND LOVED that Gift of tongues. Without it , they are not believers, for IF THEY BELIEVE, THEY WILL SPEAK WITH NEW TONGEUS. If they do not believe, they are not in grace, If they are not in grace, they are not God's chosen and PECULIAR people. We do hear the joyful sound. We do hear the Shepherds voice. we do know his voice. we do obey his voice. Otherwise, they are lost. See, those BUILDERS were those old Jews of law. What was the STONES they were building with? THOSE TEN. YEP. WRITTEN ON THOSE STONES. But what stone do we build on? Only ONE. The solid ROCK, JESUS CHRIST; FAITH; GRACE. So they rejected this cheif CORNER STONE. They wanted to build the 'house' of God from those stones = the ten. They thought this was the only way. But it is not the way. But we know it will not work. We know it must be built on that one ROCK , and those LIVELY STONES. LIVING STONES. EVE IS THE MOTHER OF ALL LIVING. Keep this message before the people until Satan strips a gear and wrecks. and lands in hell. Great teaching. |
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Everything always goes back to the same old question: are we to live under law, even when we have come into Grace! I just cannot understand how so many people could possibly be so mixed up on this issue. I have taught the difference in Law and Grace, until there has not been one 'stone' left unturned, over and over, yet people still cannot see this simple truth. Where there is no law, there is no sin. It does not mean we live 'lawless, sinful lives'. Right the opposite is true. We have the Holy Spirit of God living inside us, therefore we live Holy and godly in this present world. (people totally discredit the Holy Ghost, asserting that we need law to lead us to christ or to live right. That was BEFORE THE HOLY GHOST WAS GIVEN. (REPEAT THAT, JO)-- ok. that was before the Holy Ghost was given. We are not under that law, therefore we cannot transgress it. We are NOT SINNERS. We are filled with the Holy Ghost and therefore not sinners. The blood of Jesus Christ cleansed us from all sin, and translated us into the kingdom of Christ, where there is no law, and no sin. Having no law, DOES NOT MEAN WE LIVE SINFUL LIVES. IT MEANS WE ARE NOW FREE FROM THE SINFUL NATURE, AND LIVE GODLY LIVES WHICH WAS NEVER, EVER, DONE BY OR UNDER THAT LAW. The law was never my schoolmaster. The Holy Ghost led me to Christ. that schoolmaster was for the OT people only. The Holy Ghost was given to LEAD US AND GUIDE US INTO ALL TRUTH, not that law. For anyone to think they had to have law, instead of the Holy Ghost to lead them to Christ, shows they have absolutly NO UNDERSTANDING of God's Word. Paul clearly taught that if we live by the law, we FALL FROM GRACE. Why would I need a law telling me not to sin, when Jesus has filled me with his HOLY GHOST? If his holy spirit lives inside me, then I also live holy, without law. God never wanted anyone to be under that BONDAGE. Adam is the one who put people under that bondage, resulting in Abel's death. I know people do not understand enough about God's truth to ever get any of this, but I have taught you all the truth anyway. It is because they have not loved his Word and studied it enough to get into his truth. His SPIRIT leads us into ALL TRUTH. We do not need a law. God's LAWS are not that Law, written on stone. It is not the same thing. Where there is no LAW, THERE IS NO SIN. How can any sensible person take this to mean that those of us in Grace, are LAWLESS, MEANING SINFUL AND WICKED AND CRIMINALS? hOW ridiculous. When you hear people talking that way, know that they are of the devil, and ignorant as can be. If it means that, how could it say, WHERE THERE IS NO LAW, THERE IS NO SIN? If it means we live lawless, meaning sinful and criminal? Gosh, the stupidity of people never ceases to amaze me, I mean those who 'claim' to have truth and be spiritual. If they were spiritual, they would know that we are not under law, if we are filled with the Holy Ghost and need not that any man teach us, for his anointing teaches us. we need not a law leading us to Christ. | Because the law worketh wrath: for where NO LAW is, there is no transgression. | | (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is NO LAW. |
The law works WRATH. Is God giving his children WRATH? WHY? where there is no law, there is no transgression, or sin. How can being without LAW place us where there is no transgression? Do not be deceived. Satan's people teach we must have LAW, THAT CHRIST IS NOT SUFFICIENT. that the Holy ghost is not our leader or the one to guide us into all truth, the one to give us a holy nature. It did not come by law, No law could give LIFE, if so it would have come by law. but it could not. we do not need law, when we have grace. We live holy by grace. |
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BELIEVE. BE EVE. HOW BOUT THAT. |
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Tweety, hope you have your computer up and going soon. Here is that Scripture I told you about: | Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? | | They zealously affect you, but not well; yea, they would exclude you, that ye might affect them. | | But it is good to be zealously affected always in a good thing, and not only when I am present with you. | | My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you, | | I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you. | | Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? | | For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. | | But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. |
See! Paul said, I travail in BIRTH. not just once... but AGAIN. I, Paul, travail in BIRTH again,.//// until, Christ be formed in you........so this TRAVAIL in BIRTH, means SPIRITUAL TRAVAIL. SPIRITUAL BIRTH. SPIRITUAL CHILDREN, FROM A SPIRITUAL father. this father/or was it MOTHER? was travailing in birth. Now let the agnostics choke on this. Paul was a WOMAN IN TRAVAIL....BEARING CHILDREN. fight it if you wish. it is God's word. (not speaking to Tweety, here. she does not fight the truth.) But look what Paul took this thing to.....of trying to get Christ formed in these people....and to birth....look > > > look at verse 20 > > > | I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you. | He wanted to be able to change his voice about them, he was in doubt of them......WHY? wHY was he having to TRAVAIL in BIRTH.....AGAIN.....FOR THEM? Look at verse 21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? See? They had GONE BACK TO LAW. So, Paul could see that Christ WAS NOT YET FORMED IN THEM. This is so crystal clear, that I just do not see how anyone who can read, could miss this truth here. They desired to be back under the law. why? they had deceivers with them, just as we do today, who went around screaming....you have to have law.....can't live without law......must have law to lead you to Christ...must live by law to be holy...etc.etc. same as with us today. Then Paul took it right to that bondage LAW, which was given to Moses on Sinai. He said this is the bondchild....cast out the bondchild........the bondchild shall not be HEIR WITH THE FREECHILD. no glorification for them. Now this is why Paul said, I travail in birth AGAIN for you. They had MISSED CHRIST WHEN THEY WENT BACK TO LAW. THEY FELL FROM GRACE, SO HE HAD TO try to BIRTH THEM again. This is the very thing Paul names in chapter one... those who were leading these Christians astray.........back to law. It really could not be any clearer. So if you cannot see this, you consider yourself to be carnal minded, spiritually BLIND. |
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Read my new message, Schoolmaster, under Grace? > it is on the law board. It solidly proves the messages in this thread. I am truly amazed at the carnal minded people, who think that they are so spiritual minded, yet know nothing of the Spiritual things. All they can see is the natural, human things and they 'think', (mistakeningly) that this is spiritual minded. so blind. When you hear people who are always lifting themselves up, boasting on how spiritual they are, you can mark it down, they are strictly carnal minded and do not know Christ. They have no concept of spiritual things, or of the BODY OF CHRIST. That natural, law, Jewish stuff, has again taken almost the entire earth's people, back into bondage and the weak and beggarly elements of law. |
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