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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 11/18/2008 3:00 AM

~~ A Living Soul ~~~ or Brute Beast? ~~

This message should follow and be studied with the message, ‘A Living Soul�? Who are the ‘brute beasts�?which the Word of God speaks of? Are they the same as those who are ‘living souls�? The contrast is clear in the Scripture, and will prove the truth of these two messages.

2pe 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

There is the two witnesses of this truth and from their words, we will solidly prove the true nature of these brute beast and who they really are. The Word very clearly identifies these brute beasts and leaves nothing to guess-work.

Now, for some a common-sense question, which will pin-point the true identity of the brute beasts. Notice that Peter said these beasts SPEAK evil of the things that they do not understand. So if it means four-legged animals, how do these animals speak evil of things which they do not understand? Of course, we all know, that cannot be the truth. No animals SPEAK evil of things. Jude gives us the very same information. These beasts SPEAK evil of things which they know not. Both prophets said that they will perish in their own corruption. So now, this solidly proves that these beasts are not Christians, or Living Souls.

Let’s go back to Peter for more identification. 2pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 2pe 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

There is full identification of these brute beasts right here in these few verses, alone. First, we see that they were FALSE PROPHETS. Then we see they shall be FALSE TEACHERS, bringing in damnable heresies, ever to denying the Lord that bought them. Notice one of their main identification marks is MAKING MERCHANDISE OF YOU. This thing of MERCHANDIZING the things of God is the sure mark of these brute beasts. Merchandizing the things of God is the MARK OF THE BEAST. These false prophets/teachers, are BEASTS. They are not Living Souls. ( Living souls are the same thing as the Living Creature, in Ezekiel.) They are brute beasts, made to be taken, (notice that ‘taken), and destroyed. See how they brought in a damnable heresy, saying that the saints of God are the ones who will be ‘taken�? It is a lie of these beasts. They know that they are the ones who will be TAKEN, and destroyed. The Saints, or Living souls, are the ones who will be LEFT to inherit this earth, and rule it. How these brute beasts want to hide this truth! The sinful kingdom, or brute beasts, has always made MERCHANDISE of the people of God. They have bought and sold even forgiveness of sins. They have sold the people all kinds of junk, calling it relics or other foolish things, which they claim are of God, or will bring the people blessings of God.

Peter told the sorcerer, Simon, that the things of God cannot be bought with money. And this truth is borne out in many Scriptures. Yet the beasts will deceive the vast majority of people with this thing of paying a preacher, priest, or other false workers of ‘god�? They are brute beasts, who will utterly perish in their own corruption. Yet they claim to be a Living Soul. It is simply lies of these beasts, who speak evil of things which they do not understand. They slander all the gifts of the Spirit. They slander receiving the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, according to the Book of Acts. They slander water baptism, in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of sins. They scream loud and long that this has nothing to do with having our sins remitted. They are calling God a lie. They are brute beasts.

Remember, we used this Scripture >> Eph 2:3, in the other message. Look at it now, in connection with the above: Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins: Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

See, Jesus quickened us while we are in this life. That is when he ‘breathes�?on us and says, Receive ye the Holy Ghost. He then fills us with the Holy Ghost, and by this Spirit of God, we are QUICKENED, or made ALIVE, or become a LIVING SOUL. Before that took place, we were by NATURE children of wrath, even as others and were DEAD. After Jesus quickened us, then we sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus. We are baptized INTO Christ, so we are then a living soul. Jesus breathed into our ‘nostrils�?the BREATH of LIFE, and in doing so, he took of the ‘dust�? (which we are), and he made a MAN of us. He made us into a living soul. Glory to God. Now, we are no longer brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed. We are now a living soul, a son of God.

We were, by NATURE, children of wrath. They are NATURALLY brute beasts. By nature, they are brute beasts, not living souls. We must be quickened by Jesus in order to become a living soul. Then we sit together in heavenly places. We are then in Christ Jesus, where there is neither male, nor female. We are all one in Christ Jesus.

Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

See that we are CREATED in Christ Jesus. This is a new CREATION, not the one we think of in the past, with the first man/woman. It is a new creation, performed by Jesus Christ, when he breathes on us and brings us to LIFE. This is when he took the dust and made a man and the man became a living soul. It is this new creation in Christ Jesus. Before this, in time PAST, we were walking in the flesh, being no more than a brute beast. He said to REMEMBER THIS.

Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

The above is how Jesus took the dust and made a man. We are the dust. I proved that in the first message. We are dust. Jesus took this dust, removed the enmity, the law of commandments, and made in himself of twain, (Jews and Gentiles), one NEW MAN. So Jesus took this dust and made a MAN, He made this man to become a Living Soul. Before that, he was a brute beast. Glory to God for the real truth, at last.

Next, Peter tells about how God destroyed the old world with the flood, Sodom and evil angels, while delivering just Lot. Then he said, 2pe 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: 2pe 2:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. 2pe 2:11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

2pe 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

Now he gave a lot of explanation of who these beast are: they are those who walk in the flesh, lust of uncleanness, (my, how many today fall here, lusting for uncleanness; pornography and all such filth), and they are selfwilled and despise government. They are natural brute beasts who speak evil of things which they do not understand. They are false prophets and teachers. The world is filled with them, today. You watch those who speak evil of the gifts of the Spirit, of speaking in tongues, etc. These are the brute beasts. Yet the world struggles and struggles, trying to ‘figure�?out who or what the BEAST is. All they have to do is look in the mirror. There is the face of that beast, unless you are filled with the Holy Ghost and walking in the Spirit.

But see, they wish to put this off on someone else. They want the pope to be the beast, or the anti-Christ. They do not wish for the world to know that it is really all these false teachers and lustful people. They do not wish to acknowledge that it is themselves.

Now for more sure-proof identification of who these beasts are: 2pe 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: 2pe 2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

They have eyes full of adultery. They cannot cease from sin. They preach it. When you hear all these churches and preachers, who declare over and over, that they cannot cease from their sinning, know that you are listening to a brute beast. He is a false teacher. He is full of lust. That is why they cannot stop their sinning. It is not that Jesus is not sufficient to give us the victory. It is that they themselves do not wish to give up their sin and lust. Then the big one, THEY LOVE MONEY. Yep. They make merchandise of you. They make you pay them to preach. You must pay them to prophesy to you. You must pay them to pastor your church, sweep the floor, cut the grass, close the door, and some even require pay to pray for people! They love the WAGES of unrighteousness. It is unrighteousness to accept or give PAY, or buy and sell, the things of God. It is the sure MARK OF THE BEAST. They are brute BEASTS, Not a living soul.

Don’t forget now, that this entire chapter is about these BRUTE BEASTS.

2pe 2:17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. (They are not an animal; they are a well, a dry well, no water. They refused the right baptism. This is not speaking of an animal. It is a beast, according to God. Darkness is reserved for them, forever.)

2pe 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. 2pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. (These beasts can speak with great, high-sounding words and appeal to folks who are filled with lusts. They promise you liberty, (preachers), but they are servants of corruption, themselves. If most churches could see their preachers, in private, they would be shocked at the filthy living which they are paying to be their leader!)

2pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. (This verse alone, does away with their false teaching of once saved, always saved. See, they are false teachers. You can escape the pollution of the world through the knowledge of Jesus, then turn and be entangled again, ending up worse than to begin with. If you still had salvation, this could not be true. Better stop listening to these beasts = false teachers.)

2pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

2pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. (If this back-sliding beast still had salvation, it would not be better if he had never known the way of righteousness. So when you hear folks claiming that you are still saved, after you turn again to your sins, know that you are listening to a brute beast, made to be taken and destroyed. And if you follow their pernicious ways, you too, will end up destroyed.)

Jude is also speaking of these brute beasts. He said, Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Now see that he did not say this is an animal. He said it is certain MEN. They are ungodly men, denying Jesus, as Peter also told us. Jude 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Jude also tells us that these beasts are filthy and hate dominion.

Here he fully agrees with Peter: Jude 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. Jude 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

He calls them natural brute beasts, corrupt and seeking reward, greedy lovers of money and lust. These are the beasts of the Word of God, who have not been made a Living Soul. They are dead in trespasses and sins. That is everyone who teaches these false doctrines, and those who follow them. It is those who receive pay or make merchandise of the things of God. It is those of you who think you must pay them. It is all the same sin.

Jude 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; Jude 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever. (Here Jude shows us the same thing which Peter said about these beasts. They are twice DEAD, plucked up by the roots. They were dead before they turned from their sins. Then they are dead again, as they revert right back as a pig does to her wallowing. They will be taken up by the roots and destroyed. They are the dry clouds and the raging waves of the sea.)

Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, Jude 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. Jude 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. (Once again they are identified as murmurers, complainers, speaking ungodly speeches against Jesus. But see that the saints of God will come and execute judgment upon them all.)

Jude 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; Jude 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. (This thing of mocking the things of God is one of their true marks. And the fact that they walk after their own ungodly lusts. This is too clearly laid out for anyone to not understand how to tell a beast when you run into them. You may also judge yourselves by these Scriptures and know if you be in the true Faith or if you are one of these beasts. If you cannot stop your sinning, your lusts, your complaining and mocking the things of God, you are a brute beast. You have not been made or become a Living Soul. You are just deceived.)

Jude 1:19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit. 1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, Jude 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. Jude 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference: Jude 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. Jude 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, Jude 1:25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and for ever. Amen.

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 11/18/2008 3:00 AM

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Now many will say that Adam was not glorified in his beginning. I will show you how to know that he was, and also how to prove that he fell from this LIFE and DIED. Yet he kept on ‘living�?as a mortal man and reproduced more children. Beauty, in Scripture, pertains to glorification. It is not speaking about physical beauty, such as a pretty woman. It is not fleshly. It is spiritual. Jesus was not in the image of God, while on earth. He was in the image of sinful man. (Romans 8:3). Isa 53: tells us that there was no BEAUTY that we should desire him. He was not in a glorified body. He was in a mortal, corruptible body. Now I will show you something which solidly proves that Jesus saw himself as a beast, here, before God. I am sure most people have never known this.

In Psalm 72, Jesus is speaking of how he was envious of the wicked rich, who prosper in this world. (Now I know most people miss all the truth revealed in Psalm, because they think it is about David. But it is really about Jesus.) He was upset about this, until he understood their end. The next verses are God speaking to Jesus about this situation:

Ps 73:19 How are they brought into desolation, as in a moment! they are utterly consumed with terrors.

Ps 73:20 As a dream when one awaketh; so, O Lord, when thou awakest, thou shalt despise their image. (This is God speaking to Jesus.)

Ps 73:21 Thus my heart was grieved, and I was pricked in my reins. (Here Jesus is speaking)

Ps 73:22 So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was as a beast before thee. (Still, Jesus speaking).

Ps 73:23 Nevertheless I am continually with thee: thou hast holden me by my right hand. Ps 73:24 Thou shalt guide me with thy counsel, and afterward receive me to glory.

Now you can deny all of this if you wish, and remain in your own deception, but it will do no good. In the end you will see that you took the word of God as a beast, and not as a living soul. In verse 20, God said to Jesus, (see how the foolish doctrines of man would block anyone from seeing this truth! The Jesus-only folks certainly could not see that God is speaking to Jesus. And the trinities think Jesus was as much God as the Father, so they could not see this truth. But the truth is this: God said to Jesus, because of his envy at the wicked rich, O Lord, when you awake, (could not be spoken to God, because God does not sleep, and certainly does not die)…[this awake means the resurrection]-- you will despise THEIR IMAGE.

What is he really saying? He is saying that in the resurrection, to glory, those who are awake to glorification will despise this image of sinful man. So the man in this image which we are in now, could not be in the image of God. Get this! God is not a mortal man. God is a Spirit, eternal, immortal. Man has never seen his shape or heard his voice.

Verse 21, Jesus said to God, my heart was grieved and I was pricked in my reins. This means he was convicted or sorry for the thoughts he had been having. Why? Because he now sees their END. He now knows this life is but a fleeting moment, then it flees away and nothing matters but what we have with God.

Verse 22...(This is Jesus speaking, even if you can’t accept it)---so foolish was I, and ignorant: I WAS AS A BEAST BEFORE THEE. Thou has held my right hand, guided me with thy counsel, and will afterward receive me to GLORY. This is speaking of the resurrection of Jesus. He then received that beauty of glorification. God said he would BEAUTIFY the meek with salvation.

So this proves that even Jesus, while on earth, was as a Beast, in this sinful image. But see, at his baptism, God breathed on him and said, receive you the Holy Ghost, and this first-man, Adam, (humanity) became a LIVING SOUL. Now don’t go saying that I am blaspheming here. This is exactly what is taught in Scripture. But see the lies of man, beast, saying that Jesus was God in flesh, has blinded you all to this great TRUTH. Accept it or go on being ignorant and as a beast! Refuse the truth and you will never become a living soul.

Now back to Adam. He is that beautiful cherub in Eze 28. I have proven this in many messages, and will not go into it here. Too much, makes this too long. But God told Adam, in the day you eat of that tree, you will DIE. Adam died. He fell from grace or glorification, to a mortal man. (Now this continues on down, through all time, as man falls from Grace, back to law, eating of that forbidden ‘tree�?and loosing his ‘life�? It is prophesy for when Jesus breathes on the disciples and gives them life.)

God made them coats of skins and clothed them. This was the mortal body, which we are now in. It made them brute beasts, not animals, but beasts as far as God is concerned. God did not kill a sheep and make them coats of that animal’s skin, as the carnal church teaches. They were the ‘heavens�? This clothing them is the same thing as when God clothed the heavens with blackness. The carnal mind is the enmity against God. It is death. This is what Adam took up, a carnal mind. He DIED. He never became a living soul. He went from life to death. We go from death to life. Jesus went from death to life. Adam is the only one who started out in life and went to death. He DIED. God said so. Yet he continued on for almost 1,000 natural years, fathering children. He was dead in trespasses and sin. He never was made a living soul. Chapter 2 of Genesis, is prophesy for when Jesus breathed on the disciples and said, receive you the Holy Ghost, and these DUST MEN became a living soul.

Scripture does not say, in chapter one, that God made this man of the dust of the ground. It said that God CREATED man in his own image. People just ‘assumed�?all along that this was Adam. But it was Jesus Christ. This is the resurrection of Jesus Christ. It is also the resurrection of every saint of God. We are all included in this CREATION of God, Jesus Christ being the very first one. He is the first fruits of this creation of God. Adam is NOT named in Chapter One. Oh how I hope many of you can see this great truth and come out of the false teachings of those beasts. Indeed, there is not one word in all of chapter one about making anything of the dust. It did not happen in that heavenly world. Everything there was created in God’s likeness and after his kind.

If you doubt this, take a good close look at Genesis one. You will see that in every verse, it says that GOD created or did something. Then it goes on to day seven and says that God rested from all his work. It was done. Then take a good close look at chapter two. It says that the Lord God did all of this. It CHANGED from God to Lord God. Chapter two is telling us what happened to the first man and woman, but it continues on down through all time as Jesus continues to make men become a living soul. He then puts that man into God’s garden to keep it and dress it. But if man then puts his hand to that tree of the knowledge of good and evil, he will be driven out and be lost. It continues on down to this day. The Word of God is a continual, never ending live word. It is happening today. It never stops. It is eternal.

The Lord God is Jesus. It is prophesy of when God made Jesus to be our Lord and our God. Thus he is Lord God. This is why God said, Let US make man in our likeness and our image. We are first in the image of sinful man, as was Jesus. Then we, who become a living soul, will become, at the resurrection, into the likeness of God, as was Jesus. Now you can reject this great truth if you so wish, but you will be cheating yourself out of the real truth and glory of the revelation of God’s Holy word.

The name, Adam, is also not ever mentioned in chapter one. Adam is not mentioned until verse 19, of chapter two. The first part of chapter two is prophesy of when Jesus filled his people with the Holy Ghost and placed them into God’s ‘Eden�? or the garden of God. The Lord God planted a garden, by birthing children into the kingdom of God, when he filled us with the Holy Ghost. It speaks of ‘the man�?until verse 19. Adam is not named until then. It is prophesy of MAN, after he has been filled with the Holy Ghost. I know this will look like heresy to most everyone, because of the false teachings which have always prevailed from the brute beasts. But only a revelation from God can give the true, spiritual meaning of Scripture. It is not written as a man’s novel. It moves back and forth, back and forth, often covering many, many years in one sentence. You cannot get the truth reading the Word as a novel, written in a sequence of events. Verse 10 speaks of at the flood, when the ‘river�?of ‘mankind�?went out of Eden, at the time of that flood. From there, it parted into those four heads, at the tower of Babel. Then it picks back up in verse 15 with when the LORD God put the man into Eden. Look at verse 5. Every plant of the field BEFORE it was in the earth, and every herb of the field BEFORE it grew.

What do you make of that? Have you really studied this Book seeking these hidden mysteries? If not, how can you know what is truth and what is error? Jesus said the field is the WORLD. It is not meaning this EARTH PLANET. It means this world system, of which we live in now. Those plants live in this FIELD before THEY ARE placed into the Earth of God. We are planted here, first. Then we must be watered, fed, and pruned to bear fruit to God. When we leave this world, we will then be placed into the Earth. But we are herbs living here in this field first. I am just showing you that the mysteries of this deep Book have not been uncovered for us before. The paid pastors/preachers, have not uncovered these secrets. So their teachings are not God’s truth.

First man, Adam, is this earthly person, in the mortal flesh. All of us, including Jesus, had to be first in this state, and then receive the Holy Ghost, in order to become a LIVING SOUL. The soul that sinneth shall DIE. Then he is a dead soul. When one rejects the sacrifice of Jesus Christ and chooses to live in sin, then that person dies. They are then a brute beast, dead in trespasses and sin. He must come and be filled with the Holy Ghost in order to become a living soul. Then if he returns to his vomit, he looses his place in God, and is again DEAD, TWICE DEAD, and will be plucked up by the roots. He will not be planted into the new Earth, but will be destroyed. This truth is taught in all Scripture. It is not made up doctrine. It is solid truth, on the solid Rock.

1co 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 1co 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 1co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 1co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Now there is the proof that Jesus was the one who awoke out of sleep, to come forth as the first fruits of them that slept. He was then born into the image of God. Before this, he was in the image of sinful man. He was first-man, Adam. As in Adam all die. He had to die in this mortal flesh. But now that he is risen and become Christ, he will die no more. Death hath no more dominion over him. He is now in the image of the eternal God. He has now become the Second-man, Adam, a quickening Spirit. When he received the Holy Ghost he became a living soul. After his resurrection from the dead, he was made a quickening spirit. As his Father had life in himself, to quicken all whom he chose, so he gave to Jesus to have this life in himself, to quicken all whom he will. He quickens us and passes us from DEATH to LIFE, when he gives us the Holy Ghost, thus imparting the God-life into us. We then become a living soul. He then places us into his ‘garden�?to dress it and keep it. We are to water them, feed them, prune them, care for them, so the babes in Christ can grow up and bear fruit. They are told to be fruitful and multiply. We are to make new converts to Jesus Christ. We are the stars of the firmament, giving light upon the EARTH. We were in the FIELD first, but now have been planted in the Earth. We were translated, out of the kingdom of Satan, (the field), into the kingdom of His Dear Son, the kingdom of Christ, which is this EARTH. So we were plants in the field before we were in the earth. You have to be translated out of the field, into the Earth.

1co 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

1co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 1co 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

1co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

1co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 1co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 1co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

1co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 1co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Jesus Christ was first earthly. This is one of the reasons the false teachings of the church are so deadly to understanding the truth of Scripture. Both the trinity and Jesus-only lie have taught people that Jesus was FIRST a Spiritual person, in heaven, BEFORE he came to earth. This false teaching, taught by false teachers, called brute beasts, automatically blinds one to the above truth. Jesus was first an earthly man, who bore the image of the earthly. He was first man Adam. He was made a living soul when he received the Holy Ghost. I know this sounds crazy to the carnal mind, but it is absolutely the truth.

This is the very reason he went to John to be baptized. John was looking ahead, in his understanding of the future work of Jesus, as our Lord God, and said, I have need to be baptized of you. John wished to be baptized by Jesus, with the Holy Ghost and Fire. But Jesus was not ready for that part of his work. He was still in first-man, Adam, earthly body. He was not yet into his Lord God roll. He had to die first, and be resurrected into this glory. He could not fulfill John’s wish. So he said, suffer it to be so, for we must fulfill all righteousness. Jesus had to be water baptized and filled with the Holy Ghost, same as we, in order to become a living soul. I know it sounds crazy, but only because we have always been taught carnal lies of these brute beasts.

At his resurrection, Jesus put on glorification and became a quickening Spirit. He then had a spiritual body and bore the image of the Heavenly.

This is also our hope, that we will come forth, from the grave, into this glorious image of Christ and be given our house from Heaven, a glorified, spiritual body.

Here is proof, from Daniel, that beasts are people: Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces

See that the fourth BEAST was a kingdom, upon earth.

Dan 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

So see, these four beasts were four kings, or kingdoms. They are the peoples of this earth.

There were no sons of God, after that flood, until Jesus came on this earth. Before that flood, there were sons of God. Adam was created as a son of God. He lost this status and became Satan, as he took up a carnal, sinful, disobedient mind, against God. Those people before that flood lived hundreds and hundreds of years, for they were not in the same kind of earthly body that we are in. Common sense should tell everyone this. They could bear children for hundreds of years. They were not like us. All of that changed during that flood and after the flood, people were then somehow changed into the kind of weak, mortal beings that we are now. All of a sudden, 70 years became the norm. Sarah and Abraham were considered to be old and past bearing at 90. Yet Noah was STILL ALIVE ON THIS EARTH. While Abraham lived, Noah was still alive, over 900 years old, But Abraham was considered as good as dead, at 100. Don’t tell me that something drastic did not change during that flood! Check the Scriptures. There were no more sons of God until Jesus Christ came. The people born after that flood were no longer LIVING SOULS. They had lost something, during that flood. But when Jesus was resurrected and began to breathe on people, and give them the Holy Ghost, they became a living soul and are now called sons of God again.

But since we are still in these natural, and earthly bodies, which were changed at the flood, to become weak, as we are, we still die at a young age, being very old at 100. One Psalm says that by strength we may make it to 80. Seventy is considered the normal life span for us now. But before that flood, it was up in the nine-hundreds.

Study the ages of those men. It is very interesting. Look at how their life-span drastically cut back, right after that flood. They lost something during that flood. Those who were born on this side, in this FIELD, could no longer live to nearly 1,000 years.

But after Jesus gives us eternal life, we have the promise of living forever, and never dying again. But it is appointed once to man to die. So we all must die that first time. If Jesus makes you a living soul, and you turn your back on it, you will be twice dead and plucked up by the roots, taken and destroyed. Flee idolatry. Do not eat of that law tree. You will die if you do! You are warned with pure Scripture and this truth.

By: Jo Smith ~~ Nov. 17, 2008

 


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 11/18/2008 3:05 AM
I hate to have to divide a message, but this one is too long to do in one post.
 
I usually like to print them out first, proof read them, in my hand and make any corrections which I find, before posting it.
 
but I have worked all day on this message, am very tired, and wanted to go ahead and post it.
 
I will now print it out and take it to bed and read it.  If I find any major errors which need fixing, I may redo it later.
 
But for now, at least you have the complete message on the living soul.
 
God has been moving on me for several weeks now, to do this message.  So now, I have it done.
 
I will not try to post it to the other boards tonight.  If I have time, I will do it tomorrow.  But may not get one, as I have to go to Rhonda's tomorrow for the rest of the week.  So I wanted you to have this to read while I am gone.
 
very tired and worn out fingers.  but at least I have down what God wanted me to do.  it is now finished.
 
nite.  love ye,
Jo

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 11/18/2008 2:04 PM
After I went to bed, I remembers something that I had meant to place in this message.  So here it is.  If you wish to add this to the bottom of your copy, this is it.  I am not going to redo this, but just add this part here.
 
Later, I intend to print out another copy for myself, with this addition in it.  I will place it in the others when I post it to my other sites.
 
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This truth explains something I have pondered for many years. I just could not understand how so many ‘folks�?could do the evil, violent things which they do to others. When you consider what we know of how they have tortured others, even parents torturing their own children, it seems unreal that they could do such evil. As I read of how they have had torture chambers all over Europe for hundreds of years, and the horrible things they did to others, I just can’t imagine a living soul doing such horrible things. When you read the Foxes Book of martyrs, you just know a living soul could not have committed such crimes against others. When we read some of the horrors of war, and the crimes of today, we just know those beasts could not be living souls.

Now I know the answer to this perplexing question. They are NOT living souls. They are dead dust balls walking around. They are dead in trespasses and sins. They are not truly alive. This fully answers that. I know that my God gave me this great revelation. Praise his Holy Name forever. AMEN.


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From: joie2Sent: 11/19/2008 4:35 PM
As I was waking up this morning, something came to me, giving me new understanding to a passage I have pondered many years.  See, as we learn more, (or build another layer to our Wall, then it opens up another line of understanding.).  This is how we GROW IN grace and KNOWLEDGE of His Truth.  This is how we bear fruit.
If you are not growing;  if you are not bearing fruit, Jesus will cut you off and burn you.  So you all need to diligently study, pray, and grow.  Unless you are being FED, you are not where you need to be with God.
 
Jesus said pray,  FEED ME  DAILY BREAD.  It is not speaking about natural, table food for our stomachs.
 
It is speaking about heavenly, spiritual BREAD.
 
Well, I have wondered about this>>> Rev 12: 15,16,  says that the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood to cause the woman to be carried away of the flood. 
 
I could understand this.  It is easy.  That serpent is the false teacher/preachers.  They cast out a flood of false words, causing the woman, or church, to be carried away from truth, with these lies.
 
But verse 16 says that the earth helped the woman by opening her mouth and swallowing up the flood which the dragon cst out of his mouth.
 
The MOUTH is clearly the ones who do the SPEAKING; preachers/teachers/ joksters, etc.  They are the MOUTH of that serpent, which is a kingdom of hypocrites.
 
So the mouth of the earth has to also be a group of people who are speaking something.
Since doing the above messge, I came to see that the 'earth' is the place, spiritually, where we are planted AFTER we receive the Holy Ghost.  We start life, here, in the FIELD.
But when we receive the Holy Ghost, or become a living soul, we are then PLANTED IN THE EARTH.
 
So,  that opens this up.  The EARTH is the church of Jesus Christ.
 
So now, we have it.  The mouth of this earth, is the people, like me, who speak the TRUTH, swallow UP that flood of lies, by speaking out against them and preaching/teaching the truth.
The truth does away with the lies.
 
So we are the MOUTH of this EARTH who helps the woman, the bride of Christ, to excape that flood of lies.
 
So everyone who knows this real truth, must continue to speak out against those lies of that serpent/dragon, and deliver this WOMAN.
She does not need to be carried away from truth any longer.
 
Praise Jesus for feeding me today.
 
Joie

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