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Genesis : Day One
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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 2/23/2007 5:18 AM

~~ A Study in Genesis One ~~ By: Jo Smith **** Feb. 3, 2007

Day One

So you think you understand creation, eh? You think you understand Genesis One? OK, let’s just look at this for a bit. Let’s see how much is truly understood about creation. I am not teaching in this message. I am showing you and myself things which have not been understood or studied properly or taught by anyone that I have ever heard or know of. We will take this a day at a time.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Ge 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Verse one: God created the heaven and the earth, in the beginning. But what beginning is He speaking about? Notice that this ‘heaven�?is spelled with a small h. Now I know that many people who do not think that the KJV is a pure Word of God, will not make anything of this, but I do. I know it means something. As I have stated many times, you must find another place in Scripture which explains, or interprets each and every verse you are studying. If not, then you do not have the truth. No one, not one soul, can just decide in their own minds what the Word of God means.

Most people fail to realize that the Scripture is not an earthly language, even though it uses English-looking words. The Words all have a spiritual meaning. So only Scripture can rightly interpret any of it.

So to start our study, what does the Scripture reveal the ‘beginning�?to be? It clearly reveals that Jesus is the beginning. (I am not going to list many references in this message, because I have already taught all of this fully in other messages.) So here we find that God created, in Jesus Christ, a heaven and an earth. This heaven and this earth is inside Jesus. It is part of him, or he is this heaven and earth. So this heaven and earth must be rightly interpreted from other Scripture. The ‘earth�?is the body. Our body came from the dust of the earth, so it is ‘one�?with the earth. Heaven is the spiritual part or the inner man.

Verse two: the earth part of this creation in Jesus, was without form and void. So one must find the true interpretation of this somewhere in other Scripture. It is revealed in Isa. 53:2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. Isa 52:14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:

There are other places, but for now use this reference. I will give a few for the sake of showing you how to study this Book of Genesis. It is also the only way to study any Scripture. Darkness upon the face of the deep? You must find out what ‘darkness�?signifies in Scripture and you must find the meaning of ‘deep�? Until you find these two spiritual meanings, you have no idea what this is speaking about.

Deep signifies the deep things of God. Isa 33:19 Thou shalt not see a fierce people, a people of a deeper speech than thou canst perceive; of a stammering tongue, that thou canst not understand.

This is showing that the people of God, especially Jesus, will understand the deepest things of God. They will not encounter people who know things we do not know. So this ‘deep�?is about the deep mysteries of God. Darkness was hiding these truths. Darkness is error, or lies, or Satan’s kingdom. 1Cor 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. Eze 26:19 For thus saith the Lord GOD; When I shall make thee a desolate city, like the cities that are not inhabited; when I shall bring up the deep upon thee, and great waters shall cover thee; Eze 26:20 When I shall bring thee down with them that descend into the pit, with the people of old time, and shall set thee in the low parts of the earth, in places desolate of old, with them that go down to the pit, that thou be not inhabited; and I shall set glory in the land of the living;

The above Scripture is speaking of Adam, his kingdom. His kingdom was the old law, and the rich nations he had set up on the other side of the flood. Jesus is telling him that he will destroy his kingdom, at the flood, and at Calvary, and then bring up the deep truths of God to cover him. This was the ministry of the Apostles as they brought the truth which Jesus had taught them. Jesus brought that old sinful kingdom of Adam to the pit and set up his Holy Kingdom of deep truth. Adam had the deep truths before he rebelled against God. But he took up sin and went into darkness. This ‘deep�?set Adam up on high, but his pride brought him down. The land of the living is the Holy Ghost. This is the life He gave us.

Let’s look at this for explanation of what this darkness and light is: 1John 2:8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth. 2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. 1jo 2:10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. 2:11 But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

Now this makes it very clear that love is the light and hate is the darkness. So he said if we have come to love, then we are in the light and the darkness is past. This proves then that this darkness and light is not speaking of the light and darkness which we call day and night. It is not concerning this at all. These ‘days�?in Genesis one, is not our natural days at all. This love, or light, can only come from Jesus Christ. He is the LIGHT, so he is the love. He is the day star, which is the sun. But it does not mean that sun up in the sky. If you cannot see this, please pray for a spiritual mind. Else you will always walk in the darkness, which has blinded your eyes.

Mt 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

This shows that Jesus and his children will be as the sun in his kingdom. He is our Father. So the light in day one is Jesus�?love, or grace. It is the tree of life. Since ‘hate�?is the darkness, then it is showing that Satan, or Adam, had taken the world, (the deep) into the death of law. So his HATRED for God, truth, and God’s creation, was this darkness which had blinded the eyes, or minds of those in his day. So then I see that hate is the same as death or law. See, under the law there is no love. All transgressions must be punished, even with death. There is no forgiveness or grace. So in this first day, or Jesus�?natural life, there was both life and death, for Satan was there, attempting to tear Jesus down. Both the tree of life and the tree of death, law, were there in Jesus�?life.

Then you must find out what the face of the waters is. What is ‘waters�?in Scripture. Rev. 17:15 will give you this answer. So after you find that waters means peoples of the world, then you must find out what it means that the Spirit of God moved on the ‘face�?of these peoples. Do any of you know? Have you searched to find out? If not, then you really have not cared what this passage of Scripture really means, and you will have swallowed down lies of man.

Then God said let there be light. So what is this light? Now I want you to take note of the fact that God spoke for this light on day one. Remember this.

John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 1:8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

John 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not

You will need the above verses with this. V4, God saw this light and said it was good. He then divided this light from the darkness. He called this light Day. The Capital D means this is a personification. So who is the Day? 2Pe 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

Now we know this is speaking of the same light John spoke of in John one. See here it again states that this light shined in the darkness, or a dark place. Then he spoke of the day star arising in your hearts. So this day star is the same as the Light which was Called Day by God. So then we see that God spoke for a light on day one, which is the Day. He is the Day Star. He is the light shining into the darkness, which the darkness cannot understand or comprehend.

Notice also that God called the darkness Night. This capital N means this is also a personification. So you must find from Scripture who this Night is. And the EVENING and the Morning were the first day. We know that night is the opposite of light. But take a look at the similarity: N ight is the lack of L ight. Change the L to N or the N to L and you have the same thing. So law is opposite of grace. One is death, the other is life. One is night, the other is Day. So Night means Satan or Adam or law. Jesus said:

John 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work. 9:5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

See this could not be speaking of the natural night and day, for we can work in either of these. He is saying we cannot work the true works of God in the darkness of law or the flesh. We must be in the light. Jesus said I am the light. So we must be in Jesus or the Day.

Another proof of this is: John 11:10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

See, he said if a man walk in the night, there is no light in him. So this has to be speaking of spiritual things. Walking in a natural night does not mean there is no light or truth is us. It is saying if you walk in the carnal mind, you do not have the truth of the deep things of God. That darkness or carnality, has blinded your eyes.

Now it is not speaking here of our time. I know everyone took it that way. But that is because they have not taken these verses and analyzed them in light of other Scriptures. I find it very interesting that the only other place in Scripture where this term, evening and morning, are used together in such a way, is in Daniel: Dan 8:26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days. Dan 8:27 And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.

Now that is the only other place where ‘the evening and the morning�?are used together. Notice that Daniel said the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true. So the vision he had been given was of the evening and the morning. This vision was shut up, for it was yet for many days. Notice also that no one understood this vision. I say they still do not. I say they have not even understood enough to know that they do not understand. Men have made up stuff to interpret all these things with. God did not give them the true understanding. They are trying to place all of these things on some man in human history, such as certain kings, rulers, and nations. It is not about them. It is all about JESUS CHRIST. And until you study these things with the knowledge that it is all about Jesus Christ, you will never understand the vision. You will never understand Genesis one or two. I can assure any who read this, the truth of all of this has not been taught by anyone. They still do not understand these things, for they seek the answers from other men, and try to place it on other men. It is all about JESUS CHRIST. Jesus is the light. Jesus is the Day. Jesus is the beginning. Jesus is that heaven and earth. The evening is his earthly life. The morning is after the resurrection. Evening is about our earthly life. It is darkness. Morning is about glorification. It is about Light or LIFE.

This ‘vision�?was ‘prophecy�?in Daniel’s day. It was prophecy in Genesis. It was for many days at the time of Daniel. It was for a time yet to come = when Jesus lived on earth. So until you understand Genesis truthfully, you will never understand Daniel truthfully, or for that matter, any other Scripture. When you come to understand Genesis truthfully, then you will also understand Daniel and Revelation truthfully. Until then, it is total darkness to you. Your mind has been blinded by the Night. Genesis one is God telling us the process by which He made man in his likeness and his image. He is taking in the entire time of life here in carnal flesh and leading up to the resurrection of Jesus and the glorification of all the true Saints of God. That is what Genesis is all about. It is not about God’s creating a universe, as everyone thinks. Proof: Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: Isa 46:11 Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it.

Jesus is the one who went into a ‘far country�? there to execute all of God’s counsel as he sits to rule at God’s right hand.

Now the above solidly proves that God was declaring the end from the beginning and verse 11 proves it is speaking about Jesus Christ. So the prophecy in Genesis one is all about Jesus Christ. See that he said he was speaking in ancient times of the things which were not yet done. So Genesis one was not yet done at the time he first spoke it. It was PROPHECY. Note also that he called this ‘bird�?from the east a MAN. This man was Jesus Christ.

It is not about a creation of a universe. God was showing the end from the beginning. Jesus said I am the beginning and the ending. So in day one, we are told about Jesus�?life. On day six we are told about His resurrection. He was the beginning of a NEW CREATION of God. This is what Genesis is about. Jesus was the foundation of the new world. He laid this foundation. So God spoke about Jesus on day one. Then He goes back and picks up on events which lead up to this time. Last he ends up with the resurrection of Jesus. So Jesus is in day one and day six.

Here is solid PROOF that Jesus is the one in Genesis one: Re 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

Now that clearly shows that Jesus was the beginning of the creation of God. So Genesis one is about Jesus.

Another place which has been totally misunderstood is Zech 14. People all tend to place this chapter at the second coming of Jesus. But it is about his first coming. His feet stood on the mount of Olives in that day. I would really love to take in this entire chapter. Really need to. But, read this: 14:6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark: Zec 14:7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light. Zec 14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be. Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. (The living waters was the teaching of Jesus and His Spirit…out of your belly shall flow rivers of living waters.)

I just have to add this: Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. (The day of the LORD is the crucifixion of Jesus.) His spoil means the ones he has brought into the light of truth. These are the ones he has rescued from the darkness of the OT Law.

Isa 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

They are divided right there in the midst of them. He is dividing the light from the darkness. The Day of Pentecost set this division into progress. There those who had come to the LIGHT were brought into the Church of God and out of the law. Those who clung to law, refusing grace or truth, were left in the darkness of the now dead law covenant. They are now blinded to never see light or life. ‘Spoil�?is the treasures one gathers after they have won a battle. Jesus battled the law or Satan and the disciples were his ‘spoil�?

Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

That gathering of all nations against Jerusalem was when they all gathered together against the Lord and His Christ, when they crucified Jesus. Jerusalem here means Jesus, not an earthly city. Jerusalem is the name of the Lord. This city was only called by the name of the Lord, which is Jerusalem. (As long as you think Scripture is about a natural people, called Jews, you will miss all the truth. It is not about them. It is about Jesus Christ.)

So all these nations were gathered together against Jesus. Now I know most of you will dispute this, but it is the true revelation. The night of the taking of Jesus, did not Jesus�?feet stand on the mount of Olives? Lu 22:39 And he came out, and went, as he was wont, to the mount of Olives; and his disciples also followed him.

Jesus went to the mount of Olives many times. This is what Zech is speaking of. The Mountain is spiritual here. Romans 11 shows that the Olive Tree is the true people of God. So this Mount of Olives is the true Holy Jerusalem, or the true City or People of God. It cleaved in two at that time, as the OT was abolished and the NT was brought in. (We have people so carnal in understanding that they are looking for a natural hill to have a ‘fault�?in it and actually split into. This is again dividing the light from the darkness. It is dividing the waters from the waters. It is not a natural mountain splitting into. It is the mount of the people of God, the Olive Tree of Romans 11.)

The disciples and early Christians were the ones who fled into that valley of safety. Paul explained in Romans 11, that the mount of Olives is the true Church of God. So here it was the dividing of the light from the darkness, as the Christians were separated from the OT group which clung to law. This is where the mount cleaved into. Part went to the North and part to the south. The Valley in between is the place of safety for the woman. This is also the dividing of time. (You will need to learn this, in order to understand the other days in Genesis.)

The two witnesses or the two candlesticks or the two Olive Trees, are those two pure Churches. One was before the Seven Churches in Revelation, and the other was after those seven. So this is the cleaving into of the Mount of Olives from the East to the West. (Jesus�?coming is as lighting from the East to the West.)

East was the original Garden of Eden, or the glorious truth of God. So this East shows the first witness, or the Church in Peter’s day. The West shows the other witness, or the Church in the end of time, with the Baptism of Fire. East shows the rising of the Sun, or that first Church. West shows the going down of the Sun, or the last witness Church. See it shows that this DAY has been completed. It is that FIRST DAY. Realize that this not COUNTING as in 1 2 3. It is showing things in progression. It is all about the life of Jesus. It is about his kingdom from the start to the end as he finally gets rid of the darkness forever. Jesus said they will come from the East and from the West and sit down in his kingdom. So it speaks about these two witness churches, one in the East, and one in the West.

The light was not clear nor dark? What can that mean? It means a mixture. If you take hot water and add cold water, you come up with a mixture, or lukewarm. If you take light and add some darkness, you come up with a mixture, or something like twilight, or when dark clouds blot out the sun and causes it to be darkly in the day time. Thus if you take grace and mix law, you come up with a mixture or the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Thus you have neither light nor darkness, but rather a cloudy condition. A teaching which is mixed up with both grace and law would bring forth this condition. Almost everyone today is in this condition of lukewarm, or mixing grace and law, or light and darkness, or life and death. When people say I am in grace, but must keep Sabbath or tithe, they are in this cloudy condition.

Jesus was made under law. Jesus had to fulfill the law. Jesus had to bring grace. Jesus had to live grace. Jesus had to live law. Jesus had to teach law. Jesus had to teach grace. How could this be? Both were in him. Night and Day was in him. Evening and morning were in him. Heaven and earth were in him. Life and death was in him. In him was life. But also in him was mortality, or death at work in his members. It was neither clear nor dark. In him was life, or grace and love. But also in him was death or law. He had to bring both. So this day of his life was neither clear nor dark. This is why or how DARKNESS was upon the FACE OF THE DEEP.

The DEEP, the dark secrets of God, were inside Jesus. But darkness, or humanity, and law, was upon this, blocking out the light. So it could not come clear to anyone. Jesus had life and grace, but he had to fulfill the law. So this darkness kept this light from being clear. It was so confusing to everyone who heard him speak. It was so confusing to all who watched his life, as he went about fulfilling the law and yet at the same time, giving grace. (How can you set an adulteress free without breaking the law?…How can you break the Sabbath and yet still be perfect? How can you forgive sin, when you are just a man?�?How can you eat with sinners, and be holy?…How can you drive out the money changers with a whip and be kind?�?How can you say “come unto me and I will give you rest, when you are just a man?…How can you heal on the Sabbath day and be free?…How can you say I and my Father are ONE, making yourself equal with God? …etc.) This confusion or darkness, is still a veil over the face of most people. They keep hearing law and mix it with grace. It is nothing but confusion and death. (Jesus is God; no, Jesus is a man; no, Jesus is both, Jesus is the only one, Jesus is the second one; oh wretched man that I am; who shall deliver me from this body of death or confusion? Da 9:8 O Lord, to us belongeth confusion of face, to our kings, to our princes, and to our fathers, because we have sinned against thee.)

(cont.)



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From: MSN NicknameShachar24Sent: 11/21/2007 8:58 PM

But, that human body, (same as ours) was 'without form and void'. That body is the earth. Our human bodies were made from the dust of the earth. God is not speaking here of the planet. He is speaking of his Son, Jesus Christ.

Freeborn, you are also claiming Jesus is the EARTH, in this you are wrong. You also claim he did not exist before, but then make this false claim also. You cannot have it both ways.

And my body has form, and is not void. It is not in a constant state of confussion as you imply. More than likely, though, you are.

Sorry but this needed to be pointed out to you.

What is wrong with the simple message Mosheh wrote anyway (Genesis)? Anthropomorphism is not taught in Holy Scripture, anywhere!!!

Sorry Yeshuwah's, if this statement is contrary to your beliefs

Shalom!

I think I now know where I read your doctrine before, so much discussion is bringing it all back to memory....thanks, when I find it for certain, I will also post where it can be found, ok?


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 11/27/2007 4:30 PM
Shachar24: 

Israel already received G-d's Presence, in fact the whole Hebrew Nation received G-d's Presence. Every man, woman and child who is Jewish has a portion of G-d's Presence within. It seems that it takes a special Baptism before we can receive G-d's Presence within us non-natural (by birthright)Jewish. Adoptionwise, yes, but not by blood, or some kind of pagan spirit thingy, but by the invisible Presence of G-d.


Me:  I challenge you to prove one word of the above with written Scripture.  It is as false as can be.

No one is a Jew by natural birth.  It is a Jewish Fable, to deceive you into 'jew' worship.  You fell for it.  If every person in that old nation of Israel, had God's presence,  please explain why God told Moses when he went up on the moutain,  INTO THE PRESENCE of God,  that if any other person or animal so much as touched that mountain, they were to be KILLED?

Does not show that God gave any of them his presence.  Moses was the only one of them to find GRACE, not law,  and that is the only reason he was permitted into the presence of God.

Not only that , but God did not permit any of them into the Holiest place, into the presence of God.  Only their High Priest was permitted there, and then only once a  year.

But Jesus Christ tore down that  wall of partition, that vail, and rent it in two, thus making the way that we ALL MAY COME INTO THE PRESENCE OF GOD.

It is only for those who find GRACE, not law.

You words that my teaching is of some false junk is only a devise of Satan.  You are his servant.  I teach the pure Word of God as recorded in the KJV.  What do you teach from?  where did you get the above FALSE STATEMENT?


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 11/27/2007 4:39 PM
Shachar24:  For your information... those days in Genesis one, is not our earthly days. It has not one thing to do with our days or time. Timewise, man invented time! The beginning has no such thing, however, you are limiting ElShaddai when you say he did not create everything in the "time" he said he did. The first day ended in verse 5. Verse 3 is where he start his wonderous creations of light. He also divided it from darkness. Then he named them, all in one day, the first day. Verses 6-8 happened in one day also, the second (2nd) day. Verses 9-13 contain his creations of the (3rd) third day. Verses 14-19 are his creations of the (4th) fourth day. Verses 20-23 are his creations of the (5th) fifth day. Verses 23-31 contains the creations G-d created in the (6th) sixth day. Then the next day, being the (7th) day, he rested. Genesis 2:1-3 (KJV) Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. [2] And on the seventh day G-d ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. [3] And G-d blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which G-d created and made. Seems to me, if a people decides to have a Sabbath unto G-d on the seventh day of each week, it should be harmless enough that others do not take it on themselves to condemn them for it...Unless those doing the condemning are domineering tyrants.

Me:  Why do you use G-d (for cursing) instead of God?  It is sooooo silly!

OK, so you see that God created LIGHT on day one?  then what about this:

Ge 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

Ge 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

Ge 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

Ge 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

Ge 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

Ge 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Ok, Now, since you know the right answers, please explain what these LIGHTS are, which God made on day four? Why is it that he set these lights, to divide the day from the night, when he already did this on day one?

Day one: Ge 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Ge 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

Ge 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Now is it not strange that God made LIGHT on two different days, and also that these lights were told to divide the light from the darkness? What? Did not it work on day one, that He had to repeat it on day four?

Do you know the answer? If so, please teach us.

You just reeled off things, saying verse such and such shows what he did on such and such day.  Look at it!  Study it!  then explain!  If you can.

Two different days, God made light to divide the light from the darkness.

Explain.


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 Message 14 of 25 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 11/27/2007 5:49 PM
Shachar24:  Let's continue...Genesis 2:4 (KJV) These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the L-RD G-d made the earth and the heavens, Mosheh is going back over everything G-d created and made in chapter one (1), and explaining it in more detail.

So, you think chapter two is explaining chapter one in more detail?  Then please study it a little closer and explain why it does not match chapter one in ANY KIND OF WAY.  If, as you state, cp. two is explaining cp one, in more detail, please explain why there are all these discrepencies:

For starters, have you ever noticed that God did the creating in cp. one, but the LORD God did the 'making' in cp two, and that the word 'create' is not once named in cp two?  Now that is a very big difference in the two chapters.

If you know the reason, please explain.

Please notice that in chapter one, God created man and woman together, AFTER ALL OTHER THINGS WERE CREATED.  All the animals, trees, and creatures had already been created BEFORE That man and woman, in the image of God.  They were the last thing God created.

Now notice in chapter two that something is odd about the plants and herbs, having been some place before it was growing in the earth.  Any ideas?

Notice also, very important clue,  verse 5 says there was not a man to till the ground......yet I am supposed to believe this is after he created that man in chapter one?  explain.

Then the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground.  No woman, yet.  No dust is mentioned in chapter one.  That one was in the image of God.  God is not of the dust, now is he?  Surely not!

Then next the Lord God made every tree to grow out of the ground.  still no woman.  hummmm?

Now the Lord God takes this man and places him, all alone, into that Garden of Eden.  Next, the Lord God says it is not good for the man to be alone.  See, no animals, yet, and no womanDoes not match chapter one in any kind of way!!

Then the Lord God formed every beast of the field and fowl of the air.  But he made these birds from the ground.  But notice in cp one, that the waters brought forth the birds. v 21.  Is that the same birds?  Are you sure?  If you are not sure, and do not know these answers, how can you say I am wrong in what I taught?  Ponder this!

After Adam named all these creatures, it says that there was not an help meet for him.  So that woman is still not there!  Yet in cp one, she was created with the man, on the same day.  day six.  any explaination?

So the woman is the last thing to be made in cp two.  but the man was first.  Any explainations for these discrepencies, since you stated that this chapter explain cp one more fully?  I say it is a total mix-upper.  Also notice  that in cp two, no amount of 'days' are mentioned!

P.s.  sorry I took so long to get back to your responses.  just could not get to it.  But am glad you are debating these things.  You said I had not showed you anything.  perhaps this will amend for that.


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 Message 15 of 25 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nicknameepe1129Sent: 11/28/2007 3:07 AM
Good questions FREEBORN. I 'm eagerly awaiting the answers. BOTH from you anr Shacar24.
 
epe

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 Message 16 of 25 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 11/28/2007 3:31 AM
I had a feeling he was gone, and so he is.  Guess he thought I would not get to his posts.  I truly just had too much to catch up with.
 
Sorry he has left us.  Wish he would have read my answers to him.  It is such a pity to see people missing all these glorious truths in Scripture.

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 Message 17 of 25 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 11/28/2007 3:39 AM
Epe,  the two chapters are two total different creations, or worlds.
 
It is as I said  before, Chapter one is the ending.  It starts with the earthly life of Jesus Christ.  have you read my message,  Day One?  In it is much of these answers.
 
Shachar did not believe it.  I truly hoped he would have waited and studied this out.  He seemed to think I was against him, but I was not.  Don't know where he got that idea.
 
On day six, it is speaking about the resurrection of Jesus and of course his bride.  Jesus is the first human being to be made into the image of God.  He came out of that grave, into the glorious image of God.
 
Then when he sits down on God's throne in heaven, to rule until all enemies are brought under his feet, then God is resting.  That is God's seventh day, not some weekly day of our time.
 
Chapter one is not our world.  It is a spiritual world.  God declared the end from the beginning.  So chapter is the end.
 
chapter two begins with man made from the dust of the ground.  It is first man Adam.  Chapter one is second man Adam, Christ.
 
I will try to write some more on this tomorrow.  I am simply too tired to do anymore tonight.
 
Thank you for you interest and your good work here.  and May God richly bless you and grant you full understanding on this subject.
 
Jo

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 Message 18 of 25 in Discussion 
From: MSN Nicknameepe1129Sent: 11/29/2007 2:07 AM
Yes, FREEBORN, I will do some writing of my own. Concerning, of course, believing that chapter one is still creation, and chapter two is a description of such. I'm wondering, FREEBORN, do you not believe that God made the heavens and earth ( physically not spiritually ) in six days? If so, where do you find it? If not, WHY ???
 
epe

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 Message 19 of 25 in Discussion 
From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 11/29/2007 2:38 AM
epe, Gen one is not a description of the physical planets or moons, etc.  it is the life of Jesus Christ.
 
No, those 'DAYS'  in Gen one are not man's time.  It has not one thing to do with time.  It is not any certain amount of time.
 
while you are at it, and think it is about the creation of natural earth, please answer the quesions I asked Shachar.
 
Why did god have to  make light on day 1 and 4  in order to divide light from darkness?

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 11/30/2007 1:13 AM
Let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. I Thess. 5:8
 
Which DAY is the above speaking of?

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From: joie2Sent: 9/16/2008 10:41 PM
 

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From: IsaiahSent: 9/16/2008 10:54 PM
 

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From: joie2Sent: 9/17/2008 4:06 PM
You are very wrong, Skyangel.  I do not hate you or anyone else.  Wait until I tell you that I hate you, before you go falsly accusing me,  again.
 
You have falsly accused me of many things here and on your board.  I have put up with this so much, so long, from so many others, in the past, and allowed my enemies to drive many members out of here, where they might have eventually come into some truth.
 
God said not to imagine evil against a brother.  so why do you imagine evil against me?  Where is your love?  In your ugly words and evil against my site?  I do not consider that to be love.
 
God said his people loved him with mouth service, but their HEART was FAR from him.  I say that is the same with you,  it is mouth service, but your words are drawn swords.
 
Show some of this love.  I have worked and worked with you, as I do with all others who come in here, to try to lead you into some real truth.  that is LOVE.
 
But when you get to slandering this site and falsly accusing me,  for the sake of driving others out of here,  I cannot and AM NOT GOING TO PUT UP WITH THAT.
 
I have allowed Satan's people to come in here and just say all manner of evil against me and this site, until there are few people left here.  I will not do that any longer.
 
I do not want you gone. If I did, all I would have to do is remove you.  I keep hoping that you will be able to see the mistakes you are making and come into the true LIGHT OF GOD.
 
If you wish to continue to debate with me,  keep it to the word of God and stop slandering me and Bottf.  That is all I ask.  I do not delete your posts because of false doctrine.  I delete those where you are lying about me and this site.
 
But when something TOOOO BAD against God's truth is put in here,  then I feel it my duty as a steward of God and this site, and to the many who come in here, to do away with it.
 
If I could see any hope of even being considered in your site, I would have stayed.   but I just did not have time for all that stuff, when it showed no hope of doing any good.
 
Perhaps, later I could come back and try again.  right now, while at my daughters, I am having a hard time doing one post here.  It takes 'forever' to get one thread to even open up.
 
It wears me out.  HOpe she gets some new Ram soon.  I would like to go home, but she needs me, and my road and bridge is about washed out.  don't know what I will end up doing.  right now, Rhonda needs me too much.  she is battling a bad case of Hyperactive thyroid.  But it is getting better.  We prayed and found some good herbs for this condition.
 
Jo

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