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| From: isaiah | Sent: 4/17/2002 2:28 PM | The Trees in The Garden as I See Them I really am not sure how long this thread is going to be but if it turns out to be a lengthy thing I will do it in different posts. I will try my best to keep it as short as possible. We find the word tree is first mentioned in the book of Gen in chapter 1:11. Now I will have a lots of scriptures with this post so just read them and try to bear with me and get into this study and let’s see what you see about the trees in the garden. Gen.-1:11- And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, [God’s kind] whose seed is in itself, [meaning that it had eternal life, Gods life in it] upon the earth: and it was so. [ I would like for you to see one thing in Gen1 there was not a tree of life nor a tree of good an evil there. You may ask why and as I stated above in the first chapter of Gen everything had eternal life God’s life in it. You are going to hear some things on this study that you have never heard before because the church world has never studied this out and it is going to be hard to understand what is happing and a lots of this will have to be explained later unless you know that Gen. 1 and Gen 2 are a different creation. Well I see from this we are in for a long winter nap so grab a pillow and make yourself comfortable. Gen.1-Is where God dwells was a heavenly creation which will never pass away it will always remain the same. While Gen. 2 was an earthly creation which will pass away. Gen. 2 is where man dwells. I know you will have plenty of question on this one but I will have to answer them later. Now after saying all of that back to the trees in the garden. Gen.-2:9- And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Ok here we go. We all have heard so much on these trees that is so carnal. We all have heard about how the woman eat an apple and how that she gave it to husband and that the apple was rotten. All carnal but the part about being rotten. You see what was rotten was the carnal mind of Adam the serpent in disguise with all his subtlety. What I see in these trees are they are not natural as some suppose but are spiritual. These trees as I see them are men or kingdoms or both combined together. Jesus and his kingdom and Satan and his kingdom. We can see some of this when Jesus healed the blind man and he said to Jesus I see men as trees. This was symbolizing trees as men. There is much more that could be brought here at a later time. And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; [ I know you are thinking that if it came out of the ground that was earthly. I thought the same thing at the first. Until God gave me some revelation on this matter. I know for sure that I have heard the voice of God on this one particular scripture. I thank God that he brought forth this tree and made it to grow and praise to God it is still growing. You see what happened here that God planted the seed which was the tree which was Jesus and his kingdom. What is so marvelous about this he made it out of dry ground and it began to bud as the beautiful cactus flower in a dry desert. You see he made this tree to grow and it will continue to grow because it has been watered. God planted the apostles watered and we the true people of God are still watering. Gen.- 2:15- And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. [ see that is where the true people of God are at we are in here watering, digging in the word, pruning, and cutting down those thorns and briers an burning them. We are trying our best to dress up and keep that tree growing. Ok back to vs.9-Which is a prophesy of as I said before Jesus and his kingdom. I will show Satan and his kingdom the other tree in the garden later but right now I want to deal with the kingdom of Jesus. Ok now to show the kingdom of Jesus that came forth from the ground. Isaiah-11:1-And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: [see before a tree can become full grown it first must have a root then from that root it become a stem and from the stem comes a rod. That is what Paul was speaking of in Eph. where he said we were to rooted and grounded in love. If we are not rooted and grounded in this tree which is Jesus we will never become a rod.] Isaiah-53:2- For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. [ see that root and dry ground that I was referring to. I hope you see why it was dry ground. I will show you why. Gen.-2:5- And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. [ see God had not brought forth no water and it also said that he formed man out of the dust of the earth. Another prophesy of Jesus that was fulfilled in Isa.53. John-6:48- I am that bread of life.[ see it said on that tree was food good to eat which is the word] John-14:6- Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.[ see he said he was the life same thing that it said the tree was. Proving to me that this tree of life in the garden was Jesus. There is so much in scripture to prove this that I could show that the tree in the garden was Jesus in so many places but I must move on to other things.] John-3:16- For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. [See that tree of life here, he said that that everlasting life was in his Son. Once more proving that tree to be Jesus. So we see also from this that the tree has everlasting life and will never pass away. More on this in my next post.] | |
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| From: isaiah | Sent: 4/18/2002 5:18 PM | Ok more on this kingdom that was and still is The Tree of Life that was in the Garden of Eden. Jesus and his kingdom. Dan.-4:3- How great are his signs! and how mighty are his wonders! his kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and his dominion is from generation to generation. [see here those sign and wonders symbolizing the NT. people.] see he said it was an everlasting kingdom and it would reign from generation to generation. That there would be no ending to The Tree of Life that was in the garden Acts- 2:43 - And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles [linking this to what Daniel said above.] John -3:36- He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. [ see he said the ones that will have everlasting were the ones who believe on his son The Tree of Life. Everlasting showing once again there would be no end to his kingdom] John- 6:37- Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.[ I think this sums it up here. Who could be a better authority on The Tree in the Garden than Jesus him self? He said that life was in him and also that it is an everlasting life. | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 4/18/2002 10:42 PM | | AMEN!!!!!! Praise Jesus for this new wine~~~~~ this new Law, which we keep, obey and love with Joy unspeakable and full of Glory!!!! Praise Jesus forevermore. Thank you Lord Jesus for giving me eyes to see; and ears to hear what the Spirit says to the churches. Thank you Lord Jesus for giving me your Tree of Life that I may eat and never die. Jo, your daughter with the New Wine. In my new Bottle.  | Reply
| | | From: joie | Sent: 4/18/2002 10:55 PM | I am now seeing that Jesus is the Garden of Eden, which we are Baptized into. The resurrected Christ is the Word; the Book; The tree of life; we being branches on that tree; so the Words of Life must flow out of our 'bellies'. We are the trees in that Garden. It is becoming more & more clear each day. God is giving each of us understanding on this matter; together it will make up the whole. The Jesus before Calvary was first man Adam = human flesh. That is why he had to 'crucify' that image and come forth in the Image of God. He said in Psalms I will be satisfied when I AWAKE in HIS Likenes. The Jesus before resurrection was of the law; he laid that down and picked up Grace = eternal life or the tree of Life. He came here under the tree of knowledge of good and evil - the law. But he laid that in the grave and picked up the tree of life at the resurrection; therefore, death hath no more dominion over him. This is glorious. May we all come to see this great truth. | | |
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| From: isaiah | Sent: 4/19/2002 10:26 AM | Satan and his kingdom Rev.-2:13- I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth [ see he was talking to those that were under the law that were killing the NT. Saints. He said among you where Satan dwellest so that has to be part of Satan’s kingdom.] Rev.-3:9-Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee[ see same thing saying that they were spiritual Jews but worshiping in the natural that old conveant ] Math.-12:25- And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: [see this tree or Satan’s kingdom was divided it had both fruits on it. It had good and it also had evil] Math.-7:11- If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him? [ once again see the mixture of good and evil Satan’s kingdom,] I am not going to dwell on showing more of this right here but I do need to show here the difference between The Tree of Life and the Tree of Good and Evil. He said in the above scriptures that a kingdom divided will become desolate and cannot stand; [Satan’s kingdom] and as we have discussed the Tree of Life[ Jesus kingdom] was to be an everlasting kingdom. Gen.-2:17- But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Ok first to show the good on this tree I will have to go to many scriptures. Ps.-1:1-3- Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. 001:002 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. 001:003 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper. Isa.-61:3- To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified Ps.- 52:8-But I am like a green olive tree in the house of God: I trust in the mercy of God for ever and ever. Ps.-92:12 - The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree: he shall grow like a cedar in Lebanon. 092:013 Those that be planted in the house of the LORD shall flourish in the courts of our God. Je.-17:7-8- Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is. 017:008 For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit. Hos.-14:5-6- I will be as the dew unto Israel: he shall grow as the lily, and cast forth his roots as Lebanon. 014:006 His branches shall spread, and his beauty shall be as the olive tree, and his smell as Lebanon. I realize this is a lots of scriptures but I had to show you the good that was in that tree. Next the evil that was in the tree | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 4/19/2002 1:28 PM | | This is wonderful food for my soul. We are fruit, leaves on the branches of the Tree of Life. The 'leaves' of this tree are for the healing of the nations. Our teachings will heal the evils of this world when Jesus gives us the word to do this. Look at this; part of my message in Lev. which I haven't reached yet: v36--and upon them that are left ALIVE of you I will send a faintness into their hearts in the lands of their enemies; and the sound of a shaken LEAF shall chase them; and they shall flee, as fleeing from a sword; and they shall fall when none pursueth. This is the shaking of one of those leaves on this Tree of Life--- That great Olive Tree. When he gives us his SWORD to bring the judgments on them, one of us 'shakin' will put them to flight. This is becoming clearer each day. Thank you my God for feeding us such great revelation. AMEN!!!! | |
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| From: isaiah | Sent: 4/19/2002 2:14 PM | Rev.-2:13- I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth [ see he was talking to those that were under the law that were killing the NT. Saints. He said among you where Satan dwellest so that has to be part of Satan’s kingdom.] Rev.-3:9-Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee[ see same thing saying that they were spiritual Jews but worshiping in the natural that old covenant ] Math.-12:25- And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: [see this tree or Satan’s kingdom was divided it had both fruits on it. It had good and it also had evil] Math.-7:11- If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him? [ once again see the mixture of good and evil Satan’s kingdom,] I am not going to dwell on showing more of this right here but I do need to show here the difference between The Tree of Life and the Tree of Good and Evil. He said in the above scriptures that a kingdom divided will become desolate and cannot stand; [Satan’s kingdom] and as we have discussed the Tree of Life[ Jesus kingdom] was to be an everlasting kingdom Gen.-2:17- But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. Ok first to show the good on this tree I will have to go to many scriptures. Ps.-1:1-3- Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. 001:002 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. 001:003 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper. Isa.-61:3- To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified Ps.- 52:8-But I am like a green olive tree in the house of God: I trust in the mercy of God for ever and ever. Ps.-92:12 - The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree: he shall grow like a cedar in Lebanon. 092:013 Those that be planted in the house of the LORD shall flourish in the courts of our God. Je.-17:7-8- Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is. 017:008 For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit. Hos.-14:5-6- I will be as the dew unto Israel: he shall grow as the lily, and cast forth his roots as Lebanon. 014:006 His branches shall spread, and his beauty shall be as the olive tree, and his smell as Lebanon. I realize this is a lots of scriptures but I had to show you the good that was in that tree. Next the evil that was in the tree Now to see some of the evil that was in the tree let’s look at some scriptures. Ps.-37:35- I have seen the wicked in great power, and spreading himself like a green bay tree. 037:036 Yet he passed away, and, lo, he was not: yea, I sought him, but he could not be found [ see this he could not be found in other words it had vanished away. That old covenant. That evil that was in Adam.] Math.-17:15-17- Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 007:018 -A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 007:019 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.[ showing one more time that it will be done away with and also showing that you either got to make the tree good or make it corrupt there is no mixture.] Luke -3:9- And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. [see it was cut down and thrown in the fire showing that Satan’s kingdom will burn with him.] 003:010 And the people asked him, saying, What shall we do then? 003:011 He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise. [See the two covenants here. The good and the bad. ] Jude- 12-These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; [ to me this is showing that the lawmakers revied that old conveant that was vanished away and now we are left to pull up the roots which we are doing with the help of Jesus.] | |
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| From: isaiah | Sent: 4/19/2002 11:54 PM | So here is where we stand right now. We know that the tree of knowledge had two fruits on it. It had good fruit and it also had the evil fruit. Gen.-3:6- And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. [ we see here that the woman took of the fruit of the tree of knowledge that God said they should not eat and she gave unto her husband and he did eat.] In other words she said I have made my choice now it is left up to you. She was not to be accountable to him and it was his choice whether he ate from the tree or not. The bible said choose this day whom you are to serve. We make own chose. The thing that she did she listened to what the man or the serpent told her because at the time she had not even been taken from man. She did as so many are doing today they are listing to what man is telling them and they ought to be searching out the scriptures their selves and see what God is saying. Even thou they both did wrong God gave them another chance even thou they had to pay for what they did. He gave them a chance to take of the good of the tree which would lead them to the tree of life. Gen-3:22- And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: [ we see from this no matter if you take of the good in that tree if you don’t let it lead you to the tree of life you are no better off. You must take of the tree of life which is Jesus and his kingdom.] You see being good is not going to do the job. Being good is not going to get any one to heaven. It’s a good start. Well I know some are asking how do I get into the tree of life? Math.-7-18-19-A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 007:019 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire [ so we see from this the first step is to start bringing forth good fruit. And the best way to do that is to show Mat.-3:8- Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance.[ see your fruit here] Acts-3:19-20- Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord. 003:020 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: [ see the tree of life here. Jesus Christ.] Is this all you have to do to get in the tree of life? No you are only a third of the way there? Acts-2:37-38-Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?[ see they wanted also to know what they had to do to enter into the tree of life and Peter told them the same the same as I am telling you] 002:038 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. [ once you have done these and the rest is left up to God and he will filled you with the gift of the Holy Ghost the same as he did on the day of Pentecost with the evidence of speaking in a heavenly language. I had more on these trees but I think I will end this thread here since this is a good place to stop. We also have other places on the board that are also bringing forth things also on these trees. I thank God that he allowed me to do this because he has opened some understanding on these trees in the garden that I have never seen before and maybe it has also helped some of you. May the Lord Bless AMEN | |
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| Good message on the trees in The the garden,I don't know if I agree with all of it but it does back up what I have been saying about the trees in the garden,being people.The tree of life was jesus and The tree of the knowledge good and evil was the devil. Both sowed the seed in Mathew,Jesus the wheat and the devil the tares,and both was men. Jesus was a man and the devil is also a man. One man sowed the good seed and the other man sowed the bad seed. Both men sowed the seed and both men went his way. The devil is not here today and Jesus is not here today,bot both of the seed are still here. | |
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| From: isaiah | Sent: 4/22/2002 10:02 AM |
I would like to show you something very interesting that God has just revealed to me that is also showing the trees in the garden . Remember in Luke where they were fixing to crucify Jesus and there was also two more there with him on the cross. Luke-23:33-43- 023:033 And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left.( the one on the left being the tree of evil, the one on the right being the tree of good. I know you wonder how I know this and I will explain it later down the line.) 023:034 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. 023:035 And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God. 023:036 And the soldiers also mocked him, coming to him, and offering him vinegar, 023:037 And saying, If thou be the king of the Jews, save thyself. 023:038 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS. 023:039 And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.( once again showing the evil in the tree) 023:040 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? ( showing the good) 023:041 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.( once again showing the good in the tree.) 023:042 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.( three witnesses of good) 023:043 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. Ok if you remember where I said that if you take of the good of the tree that it would lead you to the tree of life that was in the mist of the garden. Well this is exactly what the one on the right side of Jesus did. You see that Jesus was in the middle of the two because it said there was one on the right and also one on the left which was put Jesus in the middle. This being the tree of life in the midst. So seeing this we see how that partaking of the good will help to put you in Jesus and his kingdom because he told the one on the right, to day shalt thou be with me in paradise. Ok now to show you how I know the one on the right was the good, and also the one on the left was the bad. The best way and the only way is by scripture. Math.-25:31-34- 031 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 025:032 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats( sheep represents good the goats the evil.) 025:033 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 025:034 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: Same as Jesus told the one on the right to day you shalt be with me in paradise. In other words he had inherited the kingdom with Jesus that was prepared from the foundation of the world. Bless you all. AMEN. | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 4/22/2002 10:31 AM | | Hello Isaiah, this is a wonderful series of messages. You have done a great job of bringing us these messages. It is a blessing to my soul. Last night I rose at midnight and studied the Word until after one. I started in Jer. 4, then went into Romans 7 & 8--- I really began to see these two trees a lot more clearly. I haven't had time to type any of it up yet; but hope to get it done soon. If anyone would like to go ahead and study these Scritpures in light of what we have already brought forth, it will help clear this truth up. I don't think the tree of knowledge prooves out to be Satan; at least not in the way people commonly believe about Satan. Jo | Reply
| | | The Trees----now you know why I asked for teaching on "trees"....this has been awesome. I printed it out in a book form and I am still reading it. It has been a "rich" experience. Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain) had a saying, "to know, is to know that to know, is not to know".... That is not what I was after here. Trees...confusing...but to be enlightened is a whole bunch better. I think it has been a blessing to us all and I appreciate the time each one took to think about trees and talk about trees. God bless! I intend to study this more. I noticed "clouds" was on the board---to me, this is another one...."clouds"..... Love to you all! "Spiritwalker" | | |
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| From: joie | Sent: 4/26/2002 9:35 AM | | You see, Spiritwalker, as I always tell people, the Word of God is NOT English; neither is it any other earthly language. Now I know we READ English words; but they do NOT mean the same things that our equivelant English words mean. For instance, Jesus called his children (US) sheep. Now this is so commonly known, that most people never give it a thought. Yet, if you did not already understand this, you could come up with the idea that Jesus is speaking of the animal, 'sheep'. or 'goat'. See? He called us 'grains'; wheat, barley, corn, etc. Get the pitcure? It is all what I call 'symbols'. The whole Word is written this way. Not knowing this is what takes people to a completely 'carnal' interpretation of Spiritual Word. "trees', clouds, are the same thing. so is 'river' , vines, mountains, hills, valleys, rain, hail, showers, whirlwind, and almost every other word you can think of in the Word. Until one understands this, they will NEVER understand the Word of God. Even the word Garden is symbolocal. Kingdom against Kingdom means Law against Grace. Satan against Jesus. Sinners against Christians. The symbols all have a scripture which explains it as God meant it. Read Jude; this is good for explaining symbols. It shows that 'clouds' mean people: that trees mean people. that spots refer to people Look for the symbols meanings; you will find great revelation. JO | |
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