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Holy Spirit is God I will guess that even when shown proof of Scriptures proving that when the apostles referred to the Holy Spirit, they referred to God, that even plain and clear Scriptures stating it perfectly, the confused and lost with still not see. Acts 5:3, 4 - "But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God." (KJV) See? Obvious proof that lying to the Holy Ghost (Spirit) is lying to God. John 20:28 - "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God." (KJV) 1 John 5:20 - "And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life." (KJV) Titus 2:13 - "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;" (KJV) Here, Jesus is called LORD (kurios) and Thomas called Him God (theos), and John again called Jesus "the true God." Not only is Jesus the Son of God, He is also "one" with God, the only true God, eternal and co-equal and not independant of the Father. 1 Timothy 3:16 - "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." (KJV) Now, we know. The Scriptures boldly state that the Holy Ghost, is God. Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God and the Father is God. Three in one God. Therefore, only "one" God remains. |
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 9/18/2005 2:51 AM |
1 John 5:20 - "And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life." (KJV)
| These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: | | As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. | | And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. |
See verse two? Jesus said that his Father had GIVEN him power over all flesh. v3--and this is life eternal, that they might know THEE [you] (Jesus speaking to His Father, God).. the ONLY TRUE GOD, .....AND.....JESUS CHRIST, whom thou [you] hast sent. Now here Jesus tells his Father that his Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD........but he showed that me must know them BOTH = AND Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. Now read the entire chapter is 1John 5. You will see that this entire chapter is speaking of a record which God gave of HIS SON. NOT OF HIMSELF. but the whole chapter is about God and what God did. Now: | Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. | | By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. | | For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. | | For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. | | Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? | | This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. | | For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. | | And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. | | If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. | | He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. | | And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. | | He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. | | These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. | | And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us: | | And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him. | | If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. | | All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. | | We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. | | And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. | | And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. | | Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen. |
If you isolate verse 20, and you did, then truly you can make it appear that this is speaking of Jesus when it says This is the true God, and eternal life..........but if you say this, then you must call Jesus himself a LIE, IN WHAT HE STATED IN JOHN 17:3-----FOR HERE HE SAID TO God his Father, you are the only true God. That whole chapter is speaking of God. He is the subject of this chapter. When it said this is the true God, it went right back to speaking of the Father, as the entire chapter spoke of something God did. So what do you believe? or rather WHO do you believe? God or man's interpretation of God's word? God said this is MY SON. God said I gave a record of my SON....NOT MYSELF. HE SAID IF YOU DOUBT JESUS IS MY SON, YOU CALL GOD A LIE. I say unto you, that no Scripture declares that Jesus was or is God, other than being OUR PERSONAL God, and that only because God gave Jesus all the same power and authority that God has, but only AFTER HIS RESURRECTION. Then Jesus is still not GOD... but only set there to be worshipped, thus making him ONE WITH GOD. Only when you can study with an open mind, and not try to prove doctrine already taught to you, will you be able to separate this and see truth. Do you believe that Jesus taught us truth? Then if you do, go find one place where Jesus said I am GOD. find one place where Peter said, Jesus is God. Find one place where Paul said, Jesus is God. Find one place in Scripture where even one person declared, I believe that Jesus is God. It is not there. If he is God, as you think, then why is it none of these writters in the Word, or even Jesus himself ever told us that? Do you believe that Mary is the mother of God? Do you believe that man killed God? See for yourself what you really believe. Jo |
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 9/20/2005 1:39 AM |
Well, I am still waiting and waiting and waiting, for someone to show me one verse of Scripture where Jesus said, I AM GOD. Where is it? If he is God, why did he not ever tell us so? Anyone know? give me one verse where one writter in the Holy Book said, Jesus is God, not one you 'think' is saying that......but one that actually says, [so there is no doubt what it is saying].....JESUS IS GOD. or God robed himself in human flesh and became a man......where does the Word teach that? Why is it none of you who claim [and everyone does] that Jesus is God can show me one verse saying this? If this is true, why is it so hard for all of you who believe it to find at least one verse saying it? Every wonder why it does NOT say it? It does not say Satan is God either , does it....so no one believes this, for it is not taught in the Word. So then why say Jesus is god when this is not taught in the word. You cannot go to God for yourself. You must go through Jesus. Sure we worship Jesus; therefore he is our God. but he still is not God. Sound like double-talk? Then pray and seek for truth. I want to ask all you Jesus-only people a question: where was God while Jesus was on earth? None of you or us have or ever will have the HOLY SPIRIT. It is not taught in the Word of God. That is the Father's spirit, and he did not give it to us. We belong to Jesus. Jesus gives us HIS Sprit, the Holy Ghost. And those of you who scoff at the Holy Ghost will never have either Spirit. You cannot have the Father without going through Jesus. You must honour and worship Jesus, for God gave us to JESUS. YOu do dishonour Jesus by claiming it is Holy Spirit, instead of Holy Ghost. JO |
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Joie, I have shown you tons of verses that show that Jesus is God, yet you ignore them and refuse to believe them. You claim to be a believer, yet when I show you verses that say that Jesus is God, you still deny it. You are spiritually blinded by the devil or by your own imagination. You think that having a wild imagination about the Scriptures are the same as having revelations from God. If you do not have the Holy Spirit dwelling inside you and do not believe in the Son of God, you will never be able to fully understand the meaning of the Scriptures. I can make wild and imaginative gestures about the Scriptures and say they are revelations from God, anyone can do that. However, that doesn't mean that they are from God. Revelations about God and from God do not come from your imagination, they come from having a personal relationship with Jesus. God ONLY reveals himself to those who do God's will and desires to know Him more. If your personal relationship with God is lagging, you will not be shown revelations and will be lead astray into confusion and false doctrines. If you are not in a Bible believing church that preaches the Word of God, you are lost. There are NO "lone ranger" Christians. Joie, you need fellow believers and you need to be in a church. If you do not belong to a "Spirit-filled" Bible believing church, then you need to search one out and go there. Joie, you are truly confused. |
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 9/22/2005 4:21 PM |
I can make wild and imaginative gestures about the Scriptures and say they are revelations from God, anyone can do that[GRobber]
Sure, Robber, they can make wild gestures about Scripture, BUT ONE THING THEY NOR YOU CAN DO AND THAT IS PROVE IT, AS I DO, WITH SCRIPTURE FROM GENESIS THROUGH REVELATION. Now you have not shown me one single verse saying that Jesus is God, or was God or will ever stop being the human being that he was and is. I say only what the word of God says. ...... You say what someone told you it says. Now I can assure you, CHURCH is not our saviour. No Scripture says I must belong to some CHURCH to be saved. Show us a Scripture saying that. Besides I do not know of a church which teaches the truth.......and neither do you. You sure show that you have not been taught any truth, and you are surely not receiving any revelation from God, for you only 'parrot' what the false teachers told you. Besides that, God TOLD me to leave ever church I ever attended. I never learned one truth in a church, nor one thing about faith. I had not idea how to have faith until I LEFT THOSE FAKE CHURCHES. You do not belong to a true Church. No true Church is set up 'church' style. That is temples of Satan. Now I asked you to show me one statement in the Word, where JESUS TAUGHT US THAT HE IS OR WAS GOD. Show me one statement where any apostle said JESUS IS GOD. Know what? it is not there. Show me one verse saying what YOU said, that unless I belong to a church I will be lost. Show me one verse saying we must GO TO CHURCH. I want to read that. It is MADE UP FANTASY.....MADE FOR THE PURPOSE OF GETING YOUR MONEY. |
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Joie, Jesus was talking to the Pharisees and they said to Jesus... John 8:53-59 "Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself? 54Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: 55Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying. 56Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM. 59Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by." (KJV) Why would the Pharisees want to stone Jesus? It's because Jesus claimed to be God. How do I know this? Look at Exodus 3:13-15 "And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? 14And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. 15And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations." (KJV) In John 5:39, 46-47, Jesus said, "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." "For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?" (KJV) See? In John 8:53-19, Jesus said that He knew Abraham and Abraham knew Him. Jesus even said in John 5:46-47 that Moses wrote about Him and the Scriptures are about Jesus! The Pharisees said that Jesus could not be no more than fifty years old, how could Jesus know Abraham? The reason is because Jesus is the Word of God. In John 1:1-3, 14 John the Apostle declares that in the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, and was God. In Revelation John says, that Jesus, who is the King of kings and the Lord of lords, is the Word of God. Revelation 19:11-16 "And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS." (KJV) This is Jesus at the Second Coming. He is named "Faithful and True," "The Word of God," a name no one knew but Him, and "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS." Threfore, Jesus is claiming in John 8 that He is the Word of God, who is God, and was God from the beginning made flesh by the seed of Mary and concieved by the Holy Spirit (Ghost), who is also the Spirit of God. Joie, Jesus wasn't always in the flesh. Jesus was the Word of God before His existance as the Son of God. Why is this so difficult for you? |
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 9/23/2005 11:56 PM |
GraveRobber, It is not difficult for me at all. Not one little bit. See, I once believed all that just as you say it. But Man taught it to me that way. God spoke to me and told me it is not true. Then God began to open the Word up to me and teach me himself. Now I know you can say it as you did, and make it sound like truth. But it does not match exactly what the word really teaches. Only a person really desiring truth and being willing to allow God to show them, will ever be able to separate this and see it as it really is. So you think the Pharisees knew the truth? and could interpret the words of Jesus rightly? NO, they had no knowledge of truth. They told a lie when they said Jesus claimed to be God. they bore false witness against him here. See, God the Father was in Jesus. It was God speaking inside Jesus. See, in harmony, they are ONE. Just as we are one with them. God speaks inside me at times, and it comes out in the first person as if God is doing the speaking. This certainly happened with Jesus. See, Jesus IS THE BEGINNING. The WORD was inside Jesus, the beginning. Now Abraham and Moses both knew Jesus only by prophecy. It was prophysied of Jesus. They did not know Jesus personally as a man. They knew the Word about Jesus. Jesus was not telling the Pharisees that he is God. the Word was speaking in Jesus. Jesus is NOT the Word. The Word was inside Jesus. He said the WORDS I speak are NOT MINE, BUT THE FATHER'S WHO SENT ME. Jesus is also the ENDING. Ever see into this? Just as he was the BEGINNING, HE IS THE ENDING. But question is.....beginning of what? ending of What? No, Jesus is not God. He Is a man. Jesus never at any time said, I am God. the Apostles never at any time said I believe Jesus is God. Why did neither one of them explain, as you all do today, that Jesus was first in Heaven, then came to earth from Mary, but was the second person in a godhead? or that he is incarnate God.. or that God robed himself in flesh....or any of that stuff? why did neither of them ever utter such words, if it is truth? Why did they not explain it for us? JO |
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| | | From: joie | Sent: 9/24/2005 12:13 AM |
GraveRobber, Please read the message I just sent back to the top of the all-topics, called Did they Know. It answers all the questions you asked here. Also I forgot to address this: His Name is called the Word of God...now do you not know that the NAME means His power and authority? That is why we baptize in His Name....it is under his authority. It does not deny the Father or Holy Ghost.......it is that we are not under the authority of the Father;;;; only Jesus is......only Jesus has the right, or power, or authority to invoke the NAME, or power of the Father. Jesus' name, or his power or authority, is the Word of God. That is what this is saying. You know his actual name is not, the Word of God, don't you? try to see thing spiritual, not natural. Joie |
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But Man taught it to me that way. God spoke to me and told me it is not true. Joie, It is man's commission by Jesus to teach and preach the Gospel. God spoke to you and told you that it is not true? The devil has decieved you. It is man's responsibility to spread the "good news" of Jesus Christ. It is by man that everyone should hear the truth. It is by man that the word's of salvation are spoken to those who do not believe. The Gospel is the joyous good news of salvation in Jesus Christ. The Greek word translated as "gospel" means "a reward for bringing good news" or simply "good news." In Isaiah 40:9, the prophet proclaimed the "good tidings" that God would rescue His people from captivity. In His famous sermon at the synagogue in Nazareth, Jesus quoted Isaiah 61:1 to characterize the spirit of His ministry: "The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because He has anointed Me to preach the gospel [good news] to the poor" (Luke 4:18). The gospel is not a new plan of salvation; it is the fulfillment of God’s plan of salvation that was begun in Israel, was completed in Jesus Christ, and is made known by the church. The gospel is the saving work of God in His Son Jesus Christ and a call to faith in Him (Rom. 1:16�?7). Jesus is more than a messenger of the gospel; He is the gospel. The good news of God was present in His life, teaching, and atoning death. Therefore, the gospel is both a historical event and a personal relationship. Faith is more than intellectual agreement to a theoretical truth. Faith is trust placed in a living person, Jesus Christ. When the apostle Paul warned Christians of the dangers of following "another gospel" (2 Cor. 11:4), he was reminding them that any gospel different than the one he preached was no gospel at all. In the second century, the word "gospel" came to be used for certain writings in which the "good news" or story of Jesus Christ was told. These writings were written in the first century, but they became known as "gospels" much later. Mark was the first to write such a story (Mark 1:1), and in so doing he invented a literary form that we call a "gospel." The New Testament has four versions of the one gospel: the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. A gospel is more than a biography intended to provide information about a historical character. It is the presentation of the life of Jesus to show His saving significance for all people and to call them to faith in Him. In Matthew 28:19-20, talking to His disciples, Jesus said, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." (KJV) Joie, How is the gospel known? It is known by people, mankind, disciples and churches and it is their resposibility to spread the gospel. It is the way that people get saved. Through a Christians life and testimony of it that people hear the truth. It's not through bickering and argueing online between Christians that people come to faith in Jesus Christ. Jo, where do your priorities lie? Jo, you should be doing the will of God. Going to a Bible believing church. Being a witness for Christ. Spreading the "gospel" of Jesus. Planting that seed of hope in an atheists' heart. Lifting up that neighbor when he is down and out, showing people the heart of Jesus through you. Jo, God is showing what you need to do through me. If you claim to believe God, then believe His Word, the Bible! God is not a god of confusion. He is orderly and makes sense. His word is not to confuse but to be revealed through your relationship with Him. This only comes from seeking the truth. The truth is in Jesus and He is the only truth. If you believe the Bible, you would believe it when Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." (KJV) - John 14:6 Jo, Jesus is the only way to get to heaven and through the efforts of His disciples (me, you and other believers) spreading the gospel, people come to know Him. So, do you still not believe that it is by man people come to know God? |
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GraveRobber, You are so far off, it is pityful. By man came confusion. By man came lies. By man came every false way. By man, death entered this world and by man sin entered this world. By man, every false way is spread. Church is the mass confusion where Satan's seat is. Every read that Satan's seat is in the CHURCH? | And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges; | | I know thy works and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth. |
Did you ever read in Jer. and Eze. that is was the PASTORS and their SHERPHERDS who led them astray? Sure, that is what it says. Ever read where God said COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE? Means come out of those churches and partake not of her sins. I received the truth from studying the Word of God. and it crossed everything Man ever told me. You are sure not telling me any truth. I am just as much into God as anyone. I can read and understand and receive revelation just as Paul did.......and I do. I have the Holy Ghost and HE teaches me and leads me into all truth. I do not know of one single church which teaches truth or is run the Apostolic way. I mean the original Apostles, in Peter's day. Nothing the church and today's preachers say matches the Written Word of God. Now the aposles argured every day over the important things of the Word. Why is satan so against this? Because he knows it is what causes people to get it straight. He is trying to shut up we who do have truth. But he will never shut me up. God taught me, God sent me and I obey Him and Him only. Nothing I teach crosses the Written Word of God, nor what Jesus taught, nor what Peter, Paul and the other apostles taught. You cannot find one place I cross the Word of God. Sure I cross everything you already believe, for all your beliefs came from man, not from God. Jo |
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Jazz, you are listening to a lying spirit. God set forth true Teachers, who teach by the Written Scriptures, not some man's thoughts. So you just go on believing your lying spirit. A person who teaches the Word of God just as it is written is of God and teaches truth. It is true that you must study the Word yourself and prove it all. Prove what I teach; prove what your pastor teaches. If it is NOT WRITTEN JUST AS THEY SAY IT, THEN IT IS A LIE. |
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Freeborn or Jo, Sure, man has done these things. However, Jesus Himself told us, Christians, to teach people everywhere. Matthew 28:19-20 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." (KJV) Jesus commissioned his disciples, which also applies to us, to "teach all nations." And to "observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you." Do you deny this Scripture? |
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GR, I am not the one denying Scripture, and/or adding stuff to make it suit mama harlot. I teach exactly what the Word says, and no one can show different. Oh sure, many 'mocker's ' rise up and try to tear it down, but they cannot succeed for they only have their own words and some other false teachers words to use. I am doing my part to teach everyone I can reach. I am teaching truth. Jesus never sent anyone out to teach the world lies. All churches today only teach lies. They deny the entire truth of The Word of God. [if not, how are they wretched, blind, miserable, poor and do not know it? How are they spewed out of God's Mouth? and why did God command us to COME OUT OF HER?] For instance, saying we must 'pay' preachers to preach. That is a lie of Satan. God never said that, Satan is the one who runs after money and merchandize. Jesus said, freely you have received [the words] freely GIVE. Where is a church which practices this? I know of none. Where is a pastor or evangelist who preaches freely? I know of none. I am obeying the Word to freely give out what God gives me. I have never denied that we are ALL supposed to be teaching the truth. But woe to all those many who are teaching lies. |
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