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| | From:  Tweety134 (Original Message) | Sent: 4/7/2008 12:59 PM |
This man Sam does not believe in the Gift of speaking in tongues. Tweety | Mudpie | And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; this "speak in new tongues" is simply the supernatural ability to speak in foreign languages.. japanese, dutch, russian, indian, arabic, korean, etc etc its so if u cant speak those languages and someone that does speak those languages needs to hear the gospel and youre all thats there u can talk to them in their native language. this is not a prayer language. please dont put the two together. they will pick up serpents with their hands; and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover.�?BR>—Mark 16:15-18 if APO's have so much "gifts power" why dont u drink deadly poison to prove it? and with APO's in america why is healthcare such a concern in amercia? why are hospitals overpacked? why are most APO's in bad health all the time needing healings?
Acts 2:1-4
2:1 When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place. And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and rested on each one of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues study the term "other tongues" it just mean other languages or different languages. it DOESNT mean they were in a trance saying " sha ta oh me sah" they told the story of jesus in different languages what do u need to prove this? as the Spirit gave them utterance. as the Spirit gave them the ability
—Acts 2:1-4
Acts 10:44-47
While Peter was still saying these things, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word. And the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles. For they were hearing them speaking in tongues and extolling God. other nationalities were around and the Spirit gave them the supernatural ability to speak about God and how he raised jesus from the dead. and they spoke it in different languages. Then Peter declared, “Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?�?BR>—Acts 10:44-47
Acts 19:6
And when Paul had laid his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking in tongues and prophesying. again study the culture of what was happening at that time. many people from foreign countries had lingered after pentecost and they couldnt speak galilean/hebrew/aramaic. so the holy ghost used the townspeople to speak different languages to preach the gospel.
—Acts 19:6
1 Corinthians 12:27-31
Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it. And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, helping, administrating, and various kinds of tongues. and heres the gifts of the Spirit. yes. different kinds of languages. some may have the ability to speak french and korean some the ability for russian and spanish and so on. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? can everybody here speak different languages? the answer is obviously no. APO''s just wont admit these verses are just talking about different foreign languages and nothing else. why complicate it? do u speak vietnamese? do u speak dutch? do u speak arabic? thats all hes asking Do all interpret? But earnestly desire the higher gifts.
And I will show you a still more excellent way.
�? Corinthians 12:27-31
1 Corinthians 14:1-5
14:1 Pursue love, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy. For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit. On the other hand, the one who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation. The one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself, but the one who prophesies builds up the church. Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up.
�? Corinthians 14:1-5
1 Corinthians 14:14-19
For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful. What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also; I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will sing with my mind also. Otherwise, if you give thanks with your spirit, how can anyone in the position of an outsider say “Amen�?to your thanksgiving when he does not know what you are saying? For you may be giving thanks well enough, but the other person is not being built up. I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. Nevertheless, in church I would rather speak five words with my mind in order to instruct others, than ten thousand words in a tongue. these "tongues" here are not earthly languages that can be understood by somebody. right here is different
�? Corinthians 14:14-19
1 Corinthians 14:37-40
If anyone thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that the things I am writing to you are a command of the Lord. If anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized. So, my brothers, earnestly desire to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. But all things should be done decently and in order.
�? Corinthians 14:37-40
Jude 1:20
different kind of tongues here. thois has nothing to do with Acts 2
But you, beloved, building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit,
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| | | From: Dovey | Sent: 7/22/2008 6:44 AM |
Acts 2: 5-8 "And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own LANGUAGE. And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?" Acts 2: 9-11 "Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God." Notice how in verses 9-11 that countries or places are listed and they all heard their own language. DOVEY |
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Dovey, that Scripture does NOT say that the Apostles were preaching in those other languages! That is where man has set up all these kinds of false doctrines, without comparing with other Scriptures. It matters NOT one bit, what some lexicon says a word means. We must find the true spiritual meanings in Scripture itself. Now go back to Acts 2, and carefully read all of that. How many 'languages' were represented there? quite a few, right? So Peter was preaching. How many of those languages do you suppose he was speaking in? The Word does NOT say he was speaking in any other language except his own. There is not one single instance recorded in Scripture saying that any person spoke the Word to someone of a foreign language, by supernaturally speaking in a language which the speaker did not know. It is not in the Word. So what happened in Acts 2: 5-8? Read it again. The miracle took place with the HEARERS. That is right. Peter and none of the others with him, were SPEAKING in any language, except their own. How could they speak in a dozen different tongues at once? Did none of you ever think of this? No. God opened it up to them in their own language. Peter was NOT speaking their language. Those people said, are not all of these speaking , Galileans? They knew they were speaking Galilean. Now for proof: | For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries |
Speaking in an unknown tongue means just that --- it is not a known tongue on this earth. It was never meant to be used to speak to other men. He is not speaking unto MEN. He is speaking unto GOD. See? If peter was speaking to those MEN in an unknown tongue, it would CROSS THIS SCRIPTURE. TRUTH NEVER CROSSES ANY SCRIPTURE. |
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| | | From: Dovey | Sent: 7/22/2008 8:42 PM |
So what happened in Acts 2: 5-8? Read it again. The miracle took place with the HEARERS. That is right. Peter and none of the others with him, were SPEAKING in any language, except their own.<FREEBORN> You make a good point. However, fact still remains that those who HEARD THEM SPEAK....Heard their LANGUAGE. They understood what they were saying in their language. So it proves that "Tongues" means language. God is not a God of confusion. In a church setting if a person is going to speak in an other language there must be an interpreter. Otherwise what is the point? How can a congregation be edified if they cannot understand what the speaker is saying? It has nothing to do with superstitious mumbo jumbo or gibberish. DOVEY |
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It has nothing to do with superstitious mumbo jumbo or gibberish. DOVEY So are you an expert on tongues? Are you an expert on superstitious mumbo jumbo or gibberish? How did you acquire this knowledge? Where is the basis for this? and what is this gibberish? what are you speaking about? ' need more information on this matter. |
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Dovey, I realized after I posted my first message that you had copied and pasted it from the first post. Sorry aboutt he mix up. Now about speaking in tongues mumbo jumbo? I do not think that something like that should be considered mumbo jumbo. Do you believe that speaking in tongues is one of the signs of having the holy ghost? Tweety |
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Dovey, please explain this gibberish to us? I am strongly interested in this matter. Have you experienced the real tongues? You seem to think that you know all there is to know about this subject, so I assume that you experience speaking in tongues a lot? I do. I speak in tongues a lot, which I am praying worshipping my Lord. right here, all alone. no one of another language to be spoken to. It is not for that purpose, never has been, never will be, for that would cross Scripture. So now. Please tell us about this mumbo jumbo business? do you experience mumbo mumbo? I do not. Just wish to hear what you call mumbo jumbo. Is that what you do in your church? Is there never any true tongues and messages given in your church? If not, it is not a NT Church, not in grace. |
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| I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying. |
| I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all: | | Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue. |
I speak with tongues more than ye all. Paul. So do you speak in tongues? Paul said, I would that you all speak in tongues? Does he mean 'gibberish' here? or what? do you know? If he speaks in tongues more than all of them, and only wanted to teach them in a known language, in church, then where is he speaking in tongues so much? and for what reason? | In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. | | Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. |
How is tongues a sign to them which believe NOT? Do you believe? decide on how you feel about speaking in tongues. That is how you will know for sure....because it is the sign gift. It proves wheather you do believe or not. Do you believe it? | Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. |
Forbid NOT to speak with tongues. How do you believe about this? Does your church forbid speaking in tongues? If so, they are DISOBEYING THIS COMMANDMENT HERE. Forbid not.....is a command. |
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| | | From: Dovey | Sent: 7/25/2008 12:43 AM |
Dovey, please explain this gibberish to us? I am strongly interested in this matter. <Freeborn> Gibberish as in senseless babbling that no one understands, not even the person doing the babbling. I believe God is able to give someone the ability to talk in another language (which they have never learned), IF there is reason for it. But to have a church full of jumping people babbling a bunch of gibberish, that no one knows, is senseless and would not edify the congregation. God is a God of order and not confusion. The Spirit of God is not for boasting. DOVEY |
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What? what is boasting? Enjoying the Spirit of God? Girl, you are so far out into the darkness of false doctrine, it is scary, for your soul. So, whose doctrine is this you are teaching? Where did you get this stuff? I know of no Scripture saying God will give people a language which they have not learned. and that there would be a need for this. You do not believe in going by Scripture, do you? So who are you to judge that their speaking is gibberish? Do you have the Gift of discernment? and are you judging 'gibberish' which you have witnesses personally? or are you so spiritual that you can 'JUDGE' churches which you are not even present at? "a church full of jumping people, babbling a bunch of gibberish, that no one knows,...." who gave you that kind of discernment? So you think anytime this should go on, that it is of the devil? I say you are blaspheming the holy Ghost. So I take it that you do not believe in the kind of speaking in tongues which the WORD OF GOD SPEAKS ABOUT? It does NOT teach the kind you speak of. Paul plainly said that speaking in tongues IS NOT TO MEN, but to GOD, for the purpose of edifying ones self. What did Paul mean then, when he said, I would that you ALL spoke in tongues? Does your church forbid this? If so, they are DISOBEYING GOD'S COMMANDMENT, TO NOT FORBID THIS. YOU ARE GUILTY, BECAUSE YOUR SPIRIT FORBIDS IT. AND YOU CLAIM TO KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS! BULL CRAPT. You are in total rebellion to all the things of God. dO YOU put this glorious experience down? It proves you are an UNBELIEVER, FOR THAT IS WHAT THIS GIFT (of tongues) DOES, either proves you a believer, (the one who does it).... or an unbeliever, (the ones who call it gibberish>) This is why you cannot understand ANY TRUTH. Your false religion is being brought into the LIGHT, for all to see. HOpe you take advantage of this, and REPENT AND SEEK FORGIVENESS OF BLASPHEMING THE HOLY GHOST. |
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OK, I will try one more time. This is God's Word, You need to be very careful how you teach different and lie against this truth. 1co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. Now, can you read? The above verse says that a person speaking in an UNKNOWN tongues, is NOT speaking unto men, but unto God. Why do you overlook this verse, and continue with your false doctrine, of it being for some person of a different earthly language? Paul said, NO MAN UNDERSTANDS HIM. It is mysteries of spiritual things. Yet miss dovey can judge this as gibberish. Girl you are on dangerous grounds with your false doctrine and practically cursing the wonderful things of the Spirit of God. Your LAW false doctrine has blinded you to ALL NT DOCTRINE. You are totally a rebel to the NT Teachings and salvation. You know not one thing about the truth of God. You falsely claim to keep the ten commandments. You do no such thing, ESPECIALLY THE 4TH ONE. You most certainly DO NOT KEEP THIS ONE ACCORDING TO GOD'S plan. 1co 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. 1co 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying. 1co 14:6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine? 1co 14:13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. Here Paul is speaking solely about teaching or edifying others, not himself. He is speaking about teaching the church. This teaching is NOT done with the gift of tongues. But he still said, I would that you all spoke with tongues. Why? So they could be boasting? Or gibbering? You silly girl.!!! 1co 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. 1co 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. Here Paul said, I will pray with the Spirit--- what does that mean? It is self explanatory. He means in tongues. For then he said, I will pray with the UNDERSTANDING ALSO. (he then interprets it, or prays in his own language). Then. I will sign with the Spirit, --again, he means singing in tongues--- guess that is gibberish? Who made you the judge of these SPIRITUAL THINGS? And you have never had the joy of singing in tongues! Such deprivation! Your doctrine is A THEIF. It robs one spiritually! 1co 14:16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest? 1co 14:17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified. Now, did God say this person spoke in girbbish? No. He said, you gave thanks WELL, but it did not edify the others, as they did not understand the words. But see, IT WAS GIVING THANKS TO GOD IN THE SPIRIT. So you call giving thanks in the spirit, gibberish? Such blasphemy--- all out of your ignorance. You would do better to stop playing religion. You are an enemy of the things of God. 1co 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all: So, Paul thanks God that he is jabbering more than the others? Wow, such darkness and false teaching. No wonder I despise that evil fake law religion. 1co 14:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue. He shows here that he is only speaking about teaching others, when he says those things about speaking words of understanding in the church! He is most certainly not condemning this blessed sign gift, as you are doing. He would not dare! |
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Dovey, you said that because all these people speak, and no man understands them, that it is just gebbish. mombo jumbo. this is blasphemy! (and I do not deny that some people are doing that; but I am teaching the real tongues, as written in Scripture.) YOu seem to not believe there is a real gift of tongues. you speak of something which is not one time named in scripture, as being this gift. It was never meant to teach others with. 1Cor 14, makes this crystal clear. Yet Paul plainly said, that when we speak in tongues, NO MAN UNDERSTANDS US. Why cannot you see this? You are crossing what the Apostle Paul taught. Do you think you know more than Paul? or do you call Paul a lie? You are doing so. It was never meant to be understood by men, because we are not speaking to man, but to God. You need to repent of blaspheming this great gift of God, out of the ignorance of your dead church. |
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| | | From: Dovey | Sent: 7/28/2008 9:04 AM |
1co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. When a person is praying in a language which those around him do not understand...(because they don't know that language)...then that person is praying to God. This is not talking about some mysterious superstitious babble. I will use an example: Lets say that a person is among a group of people that speak German. But! the person knows only Japanese. Will that person go up to the front of the congregation and teach in Japanese?? Of course not! Who will understand??? However ,the japanese person is able to pray unto God. In the Spirit he is speaking mysteries to those around him because they only understand German. God's Holy Spirit is not something man can use for boasting, showing off or try to glorify themselves as if they are MORE spiritual than their fellow brothers and sisters in the Lord. God is not mocked that way. What would the congregation obtain..or how would it be edified if the person talking in Japanese is not understood??? God is a god of order..not confusion. I Corinthians 14: 28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God DOVEY |
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Dovey, you are a rebellious, self-righteous, hater of God's truth. You are no teacher of any truth. I rebuke this filthy lie in the name of Jesus Christ. I rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ. Stop teaching your lies. You are a great hinderance to God's kingdom. You know not one thing about God's truth, or his word, or his gifts. so stop your lying. You are in the heat of REBELLION AGAINST GOD'S TRUTH. Paul nor any other apostle, said what you are saying. You have no idea what they taught, nor do you care. Except that others may read this, I would not even bother to answer this, for I have already fully explained it. You have no EARS TO HEAR. You have no eyes withwhich to see. You are spiritually blind and deaf, and naked and miserable and a worker of Satan. this is why you cannot understand clearly taught TRUTH. Truth is BABBLE TO YOU. You understand it NOT. Paul said a person speaking in tongues, is NOT SPEAKING TO MAN, BUT TO GOD. He said NO MAN UNDERSTANDS HIM. That means that the Japanese person, might be in the midst of a room full of Japanses speaking people, and pray in tongues, and not one of those Japanses folks would understand him. What you call superstitious babble is showing your own ignorance and rebellion to God's tongues. It proves you are an UNBELIEVER, for you believe not in tongues. yOU do speak the lies of satanic teachers, to try to tear down this precious gift of the HOLY GHOST. Now a person who is afrAID to use the word, HOLY GHOST, of which is all through the NT , is certainly NOT GOING TO UNDERSTAND THIS GIFT WHICH IS GIVEN BY THE HOLY GHOST. The TONGUES in Scripture is NOT AN EARTHLY LANGUAGE, LIAR. Your example is a lame mess of satan. You do speak from your father, the devil and his lies you do teach. |
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| | | From: Dovey | Sent: 7/29/2008 12:56 AM |
LOL..I'm not afraid to use the words.."Holy Ghost". All I'm saying is the Holy Ghost and Holy Spirit are one and the same. Using the term.."Holy Ghost" doesn't make any one holier. Neither does using the term 'Holy Spirit". My only point about the term "Holy Ghost" is that Ghost sounds like a phanthom...which we know God isn't. And, that "Holy Ghost" is the same as Holy Spirit. That's all I'm saying. Doesn't offend me in the least if someone says.."Holy Ghost". I personally like saying "Holy Spirit". Not that I think that makes me better. Goodness woman. You take everything to such an extreme. Selfcontrol, peace and patience are fruits of the Spirit. I think God is more concerned about His children developing those, than if someone can speak some language no one knows. LOVE DOVEY |
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Dovey, you would do well to stop trying to speak for the Living God. You have no idea what God prefers. I have seen you say this stuff several times! For goodness sakes, lady. Just because you do not like the gifts of the Spirit does not mean that God has some trouble with them. He most certainly wants all of his children to have the gifts. that is what they are for.......for our good and to glorify him with. You think, you think. You cannot think for God. stop this foolishness. the very fact that you have a problem with HOLY GHOST, proves you have not any NT salvation. It also proves you do not study or believe the NT. The reason you 'like' the Holy Spirit' better is, because you are trying to live under the OLD COVENANT. But rather you like it or not, there is A VAST DIFFERENCE IN THE WORKING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT AND THE HOLY GHOST. If not, why is Holy Spirit all through the OT scriptures, and only a few time in the new, and that is when it refers to the OT workings. Why is the term, HOLY GHOST not one time mentioned in the OT? Bet you did not even know this. You have not searched this matter out, not studied it. So it would behoove you to stop trying to teach things which God has NOT REVEALED TO YOU. It is a very dangerous thing to teach false doctrine. I warn everyone about this. It is a dangerous thing to ADD EVEN ONE WORD TO GOD'S WORD, OR TO TAKE AWAY EVEN ONE WORD FROM GOD'S WORD. So you need to check out everything before you say it. Make very sure it is written in Scripture, JUST EXACTLY AS YOU SAY IT. Else you will bring the wrath of God into your life. I am trying to spare you that. But you are determined to fight me to the end, and resist the truth. I have patience when needed. But one thing you are probably totally unaware of, as most everyone is, THERE IS WAR GOING ON. I mean spiritual warfare. Only those who have exercised their senses to discern between good and evil, truth and error, children of God and children of Satan, are qualified or able to be in this ARMY OF THE LORD. We have swords, battle armour, and much else to do this battle with. So when most people see one of the warriors of God at battle, they are OFFENDED AND THINK WE ARE UNKIND, HATEFUL, AND NOT OF THE RIGHT SPIRIT. That is simply not true. I would much rather be able to calmly and 'sweetly' teach everyone. but it is not possible. Very few come along who wish to learn any truth. They all have a MAN/church/ devil, who means more to them than the truth of God. So they begin a battle everytime they hear the real truth, FOR IT CROSSES EVERYTHING THEY STAND FOR AND THAT MAKES THEM HATE THE BEARER OF THE 'BAD NEWS'. sO HERE WE ARE----SET IN BATTLE ARAY.....WITH SWORDS DRAWN....AND BLOWS FLYING. iS IT FUN TO YOU? I tried to teach you. But you refuse to listen or study....so now I am at war with you. Only by running away, or putting down your sword, will you get out of this battle, and I put mine down, and again try to HELP YOU FIND ETERNAL LIFE. Which do you want? If you would be honest, you would have to admit, already, that I have proven every word you say to be wrong, with SCRIPTURE. and you have not a clue as to what I am teaching. If you truly wanted to know God's truth, this would make you sit back and study with me. that is what Tweety does. she and I have been butting heads for a long time. But she listens and studied, so we get along beautifully. We are even friends on the phone. I would like to be that way with you. Tweety has learned a lot since she first joined here. She is going a long way with God. She did not believe in Baptism at first. especially not in the name of Jesus Christ. But right now, she is getting ready to do just that. God bless her and you also. I am not your enemy. You may think I am. but it is not true. I truly wish to help you. But you want no help, so nothing I can do but battle your false doctrine. Love, Jo |
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