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God and Jesus : The Woman in Travail
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From: joie  (Original Message)Sent: 6/12/2005 4:47 AM
 

 

Jesus is that woman in childbirth travail.  He went into travail at Calvary.  He suffered as no man suffered, so He could make us children of God.

 
Paul also said he travailed in birth till Christ be formed in us.  Yes, we too, are that woman with 'child'.  That is IF we have the Holy Ghost, and the word, the Seed of God inside us.  That seed is there as a natural child is in its mother's womb, working to bring us into the likeness of God at the Resurrection.  That is when we will be 'delivered'.  Until then, we must be with child and in travail to bring forth that 'manchild' of our own.  Me, Jo Smith, coming forth in the image of God's dear Son, Jesus.
 
  Read this:
Isa. 8: 18.  Behold, I and the children whom the Lord hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the Lord of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.
 
Now if you will read this whole chapter you can see that this is Jesus speaking down through here.  So it is Jesus saying, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me    are for 'signs and for wonders' in Israel.  So who is this?
The ones for signs and wonders?  It is the N.T saints who received the Baptism of the Holy Ghost.
Read Joel 2,  he will tell you.  The signs and wonders accompany the Baptism of the holy Ghost.
 
So see?  Jesus travailed at Calvary to bear children to God - saints born again by the Holy ghost.
Jesus said in a Psm.  that he was a fruitfull vine around God's Table.  The vine is the mother.  Jesus is both our Mother and our Father.  It is spiritual.  You will not see this looking at it fleshly.
 
Jesus and this whole earth is the wife of God and His Spiritual world.  The Spiritual world is the MALES  - they have the SEED OF LIFE IN THEMSELVES.  (Gen. one)
 
US -  earthlings,(Gen. two)-- do not have that seed of life in ourselves - we must be GIVEN THIS SEED BY THE HOLY GHOST, JUST AS MARY WAS GIVEN HER SEED BY THE HOLY GHOST......
Only He produced in her the earthly Jesus.  In us he is producing the Heavenly Jesus.  That manchild of Rev. 12.  Me, Jo Smith bearing Christ in myself.  Till Christ be FORMED IN YOU.
 
There is  THE  REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST.


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From: joieSent: 6/12/2005 4:52 AM
Isa. 26: 17.  Like as a woman with child, that draweth near the time of her delivery, is in pain, and crieth out in her pangs; so have we been in thy sight, O Lord.

 18.  We have been with child, we have been in pain, we have as it were brought forth wind; we have not wrought any deliverance in the earth; neither have the inhabitants of the world fallen.

 19.  Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

 20.  Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

 21.  For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
Isa. 54: 3.  For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.

 4.  Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more.

 5.  For thy Maker is thine husband; the Lord of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

 6.  For the Lord hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.
 
(this is clearly speaking of when God forsook Jesus on the cross).

 7.  For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.

 8.  In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the Lord thy Redeemer.
 
Place this with: Isa. 53: .  Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

 9.  For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.

 10.  For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed; but my kindness shall not depart from thee, neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed, saith the Lord that hath mercy on thee.

 11.  O thou afflicted, tossed with tempest, and not comforted, behold, I will lay thy stones with fair colours, and lay thy foundations with sapphires.
 12.  And I will make thy windows of agates, and thy gates of carbuncles, and all thy borders of pleasant stones.
 13.  And all thy children shall be taught of the Lord; and great shall be the peace of thy children.
 
These children are the same children in Isa. 8--- us, the children of Jesus.
Jesus travailed at Calvary to birth me.  He is my Father, my Mother, My Sister, My brother
I am heirs of God ====== and joint-heirs (siblings) with Jesus Christ.
 
We are His Children (the N.T. christians)  He is our holy Mother, the New Jerusalem.
 
Pray for a Spiritual mind.

 
Micah 4: 8.  And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion, unto thee shall it come, even the first dominion; the kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem.

 9.  Now why dost thou cry out aloud? is there no king in thee? is thy counseller perished? for pangs have taken thee as a woman in travail.

 10.  Be in pain, and labour to bring forth, O daughter of Zion, like a woman in travail: for now shalt thou go forth out of the city, and thou shalt dwell in the field, and thou shalt go even to Babylon; there shalt thou be delivered; there the Lord shall redeem thee from the hand of thine enemies.

 11.  Now also many nations are gathered against thee, that say, Let her be defiled, and let our eye look upon Zion.
 
(see here, all the nations gathered together against the Lord and His Christ?)  This is the woman in travail; first, Jesus, then His nation or his Zion, the N.T. Christians)  We are now in travail to bring forth the man-child, = Christ in us the hope of glory.)

 12.  But they know not the thoughts of the Lord, neither understand they his counsel: for he shall gather them as the sheaves into the floor.

 13.  Arise and thresh, O daughter of Zion: for I will make thine horn iron, and I will make thy hoofs brass: and thou shalt beat in pieces many people: and I will consecrate their gain unto the Lord, and their substance unto the Lord of the whole earth.
 
(this is the Saints of Psam. 149, bring the wrath of the Lamb on the world of the ungodly.

 

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From: joieSent: 6/12/2005 4:57 AM
 
Isa. 26: 10.  Let favour be shewed to the wicked, yet will he not learn righteousness: in the land of uprightness will he deal unjustly, and will not behold the majesty of the Lord.
 
Favour = grace.  when it came, the wicked still would not learn righteousness.  the land of 'uprightness' is N.T. Salvation. Yet here, the wicked still deal unjustly and do not 'see' the majesty of the Lord.  They still desire law.

 11.  Lord, when thy hand is lifted up, they will not see: but they shall see, and be ashamed for their envy at the people; yea, the fire of thine enemies shall devour them.
 
His Hand is Jesus.  but they still do not see and they envy those who do.

 12.  Lord, thou wilt ordain peace for us: for thou also hast wrought all our works in us.
 
God ordained peace for those who accepted the N.T. way of Holy Ghost.  He wrought our works in us = faith; not works of law which is a person's own works; not His.

 13.  O Lord our God, other lords beside thee have had dominion over us: but by thee only will we make mention of thy name.
 
Those priests and rulers of the O.T. had dominion over them;  but the true seed will only make mention of the Name of Jesus.

 14.  They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.
 
This says those who cling to the O.T. after God did away with that covenant of law are  DEAD.  Listen to them proclaim loud and clear that they are among those who die.  Dead.  Jesus made all their memory to perish = no more do we remember that old way which never did please God.  But they do.

 15.  Thou hast increased the nation, O Lord, thou hast increased the nation: thou art glorified: thou hadst removed it far unto all the ends of the earth.
 
See this goes to the time of the resurrection?  'thou are glorified".  This is speaking of the beginning of the N.T. = Jesus' resurrection.  Here he increased the nation - he removed it to the far 'ends of the earth'.  Peter said,  We are the people upon whom the ends of the world are come.
 
See, Jesus moved it to the N.T. Baptism of the Holy Ghost.  People, this is absolutely the ONLY WAY IN.  This is that woman travailing at Calvary to bring forth a new nation = the children of God.  Saints filled with the holy Ghost, living Holy by His faith and power; not our own works of law keeping.  May God help many to see this great truth.

 

Isa. 53: 11--He shall see of the  TRAVAIL of HIS soul, and shall be satisfied:  by HIS knowledge shall my righteous SERVANT justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
 
 It is spiritual; not natural.  All flesh is 'female' to God.  God is a Spirit.  The Spirit is MALE to us.  That is how we marry God.  It is a whole unite = Jesus and the whole earth's Christians is the  WIFE of God.  Jesus travailed at Calvary to 'give birth to us'.
 
Hope you can all see this.  Paul said, I travail in  BIRTH again till Christ be formed in you.  It is Spiritual.  Pray for a spiritual mind.

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From: joieSent: 6/12/2005 4:59 AM
this Scripture in Revelation moves on down to the time of the travail of Jesus' soul at Calvary in order to give spiritual birth to the Sons of God.
 
Later, Paul was said to be in travail in birth till Christ be formed in His converts.  Now at the end of the age we will also be in a travail, to bring forth Christ in us.  Scripture is NOT EVER TIED TO ONLY ONE INTERPRETATION.
 
It is an on-going thing.  It was in the beginning and it will be in the end.
 
That is why many times one person will see one aspect of understanding and another person will see it another way and yet both be right.  This causes folks to be at each other for they each know they are seeing truth.  And in many cases they both do see a truth.
 
JO

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From: joieSent: 6/12/2005 5:02 AM
 
Let me also explain this:  Jerusalem is not referring to the old natural city of Jerusalem over in the East.  Of course not.  Paul clearly said that is the bond children.
 
Jerusalem,  Israel, and Jews are names God always calls his true people -- which today is the true Chruch. 
 
We are the Jews - those of us who have the Holy Ghost.
 
We are the Jerusalem.  We are the 'regathered' Israel.  It started on the day of Pentecost.  Too many people are so deceived that they completely overlook the true Christians, and dote so much on those Arabs over there which they think are the true Jews.  Nope.  Only the Christians are the Jews.  Only the true Christians are the Jerusalem God loves.  We are the Zion God loves.  Not those natural people. 
 
Everyone needs to get this truth.
 
JO

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From: joieSent: 6/12/2005 5:06 AM
Now I listen and believe the whole KJV.  What Paul said IS  WHAT  GOD SAID.  Else then we have no Word of God.  If we cannot believe what is written in the KJV, then we have no way of knowing what God told us.  God did NOT WRITE THE WORD; HE SENT HOLY MEN, INSPIRED BY THE H.G. TO DO IT.  Paul was one of these Holy Men.
 
I take everything written in the KJV to be God's Word.
 
I do not take any other writtings to be God's Word.  None of the other versions are true to the Word.
 
Jesus Christ, the man Mary gave birth to, DID NOT EXIST IN THE O.T.
 
He did not exist UNTIL  MARY  GAVE BIRTH TO HIM.  He grew up a total human being.  He was NOT  GOD THE SON.  No Scripture uses this term.
  He was not God here in flesh.  He was a man.  To deny that Jesus came in human flesh is antichrist.  Antichrist is NOT ONE PERSON.  IT IS EVERYONE WHO OPPOSES GOD'S TRUTH.
 
God is a WHOLE KINGDOM.   God is certianly a multiply being = many members  - each having different jobs to do - same as our human body - same as the body of Christ on this earth - many members- yet ONE body.
 
Now that is why you think you see more than one manifestation of God in the Word.  Yes, there are countless members of the God Kingdom - same as there are countless members of the human kingdom -- and countless members of the Satan kingdom.
 
Countless members of the anit-chirst kingdom - which is the false prophet.
 
Now until you all see and understand this, you will forever be in the darkness of the lying trinity doctrine - saying God is only three members ---- or the lying Jesus only doctrine - saying Jesus is the ONLY MEMBER OF GOD.
 
Lord Jesus, may you open the eyes of some of these people.  Open the eyes of Little flock.  May he come to know and understand this real truth.
 
May he come to understand that you, Lord Jesus when on earth, were a human being who died as we die.
 
Jo


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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 2/2/2007 2:46 AM
I think it would do you all well to review these messages and learn the truth, the hidden secrets in the Word about JESUS.

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From: joieSent: 5/7/2007 2:36 AM
this is much food for thought and a good study.  wonder if anyone wants to get into this one now.  I sure love this revelation.

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