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From: joie (Original Message)

Sent: 6/23/2003 11:03 PM

John 4: 24. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

This is Jesus speaking to the woman at the well. He said "GOD IS A SPIRIT."

Luke 24: 34. Saying, The Lord is risen indeed, and hath appeared to Simon.
35. And they told what things were done in the way, and how he was known of them in breaking of bread.
36. And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

37. But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.

38. And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

39. Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

40. And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

Now here it is from the side of God: God is a Spirit ~~~~ spoken by Jesus. Do you believe Jesus?

This is Luke 24 Is after Jesus' resurrection. He appeared in the midst of the disciples and they were frightened thinking he was a spirit.

Jesus said to them a spirit hath NOT FLESH AND BONES as you see me have.

After His resurrection Jesus was STILL NOT A SPIRIT. HE STILL HAD FLESH AND BONES. HE SAID A SPIRIT DOES NOT HAVE FLESH OR BONES.

DO YOU BELIEVE JESUS?

Then here with the above post is proof that Jesus is a man and not a spirit. It is proof that God is a spirit and not man.

How could anyone get this so mixed up? It is so simple to understand and believe.

From: joie

Sent: 6/23/2003 11:09 PM

Isa. 53: 3. He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

1Tim. 2: 5. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Numbers 23: 19. God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Now I sit here hour after hour trying to find and show you all the truth of God's Word. When will you accept the Word for what IT says and not what some false church tells you it says? You had better, if you seriously desire to have salvation and eternal life.

Now, Isa. 53: 3 said that Jesus was a MAN OF SORROWS.

1Tim 2: 5 said Jesus is a man who mediates between God and me. (that is right now, too.)

But look at Numbers 23; 19, this says that God is NOT A MAN, NEITHER THE SON OF MAN.

Now is Jesus the Son of Man? HUH? God is not the Son of Man. God is not a man. God is not half man and half God either. This is the height of blasphemy!

Are you going to deny this Word? If you cling to this dual natured person, you are calling God a lie. It means the Catholic popes and all their idols gods mean more to you than the truth of God. You cannot bring yourself to turn loose that whore's teachings.

Both the trinity lie and the Jesus only lie DECLARE THAT JESUS WAS BOTH GOD AND MAN. In other words picture it -- the myths of half man and half horse.

See that dual thing is where it came from - mythology = idol gods of the heathen.

Is your god a dual being? Mine is surely NOT. And I don't care how many come by, poke fun at me, belittle me, curse me, take up arms with me, or whatever you come up with, I AM TEACHING TRUTH. AND I STAND ON IT. Take the whole world but give me the TRUE JESUS.

Jesus is A man even now in Heaven!

p.s. This is the post I mentioned as being the above message. I took this off another thread.

From: joie

Sent: 6/23/2003 11:53 PM

Now, I say God is a Spirit. I say Jesus is a man. I say Jesus is not God. I say God is not Jesus. Jesus is MY God, but he is not God. God set him to be our God; there is a big difference. anything can be your god; but that does not make it be God. Jesus in not an idol. (or course there is an idol named Jesus, which most everyone worships). But My Jesus, My God is the True Jesus of the Scriptures.

Jesus' Father is his God; and of course he is my God. But the only way I have any access to that being is through my God, Jesus. Can you possible see what I am saying? I hope so. If not, pray and ask God to open your understanding and mean it. Keep seeking until God speaks to you and tells you truth.

He will speak to you if you sincerely seek for Him to do so.

He will not leave you in darkness if you truly desire Light.

Now I have presented the Word of God in the above two posts showing what I say. I proved by the Scriptures that God is a Spirit and not a man.

I proved by the Scriptures that Jesus is a man, even now, and not a spirit.

So I am asking AGAIN for all of you, trinities and Jesus onlies, to present to us Scripture SAYING WHAT YOU SAY.... not some twisted version of Scripture.

Show us at least one verse which says: Jesus is both God and Man. or........ Jesus is 100% God and also 100% man. or..... Jesus is a second person in the Godhead......... or God robed himself in flesh and came down to earth and got into Mary's womb and was born here as both God and man. or.... God evolved himself down and became a man. or......Jesus and God and the Holy Ghost are co-equals. or........ Jesus is both the Father and the Holy Ghost. or....... Jesus is his own Father. or......... Jesus is his own son. ......all of these things is how people on both side try to explain God and the Word. So if it is true, why is it not WRITTEN? Why is what I teach WRITTEN?

Yet everyone says I am wrong. Well all I can say is I say what the WRITTEN WORD SAYS. If I am wrong all the writters of the Word were also wrong.

Where is it written:.... God the Father is the first person in the Godhead? show us that verse. or....... the Holy Ghost is the third person in the Godhead?...... or even the words- God the Son.

I say it can't be done. So where did it come from? Any of the above? Where did all this stuff come from? If it is not WRITTEN, then whoever came up with it had to make it up. They could not possibly have gotten it reading the Word -- for it is NOT WRTTTEN IN THE WORD.

I mean after all look at this:

Matt. 3 16. And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17. And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Now this says that after Jesus was baptized, the Spirit of God DESCENDED like a dove, and lighted upon Jesus.

Now was that Jesus lighting upon Jesus?

If Jesus is the Holy Ghost how was Jesus standing by the water and the Spirit came DOWN From Heaven?

Then:

A voice FROM HEAVEN said, This is my beloved SON, in whom I am well pleased.

Now I ask you, all of you Jesus onlies--Was this Jesus speaking from Heaven? And if so how was he calling himself his own Son?

If it were Jesus who is he saying is his Son? If it were Jesus how was Jesus standing here on earth, and this voice SPOKE TO HIM FROM HEAVEN?

Now go get some Scripture and show us these things. And if you can't, you had better, for your own soul's sake, get to admitting that you are not believing the truth of God's Holy Word and get willing to let God show you his real truth.

At least show us one verse which says what you say; I mean it actually says it.

Now someone said the word 'incarnate' is not in the Word, BUT that it describes what took place. Well I ask for one verse showing that it took place. All of you who believe that lie, show one verse which says a SPIRIT left Heaven and took upon itself human flesh and therefore became a dual nature, double role being who is both God and man.

Now someone find that verse and show me. How can all the ones I wrote say right the opposite?

From: Isaiah

Sent: 6/24/2003 3:44 PM

People that are saying that Jesus was God are only reviving that KILLED OLD HEAD OF FIRST MAN ADAM.

See what they are doing? The same thing as FIRST MAN ADAM DID.

They picked up Adam’s sin of saying I am God; but he was just a man

So Jesus came here as a man not claiming to be God. WHY OH, WHY CAN THEY NOT SEE THIS MISTAKE THAT THEY ARE MAKING? JESUS WAS NOT AND IS NOT AND NEVER WILL BE ALMIGHTY GOD. He is the SON OF GOD JUST AS WE ARE SONS OF JESUS.

JESUS IS THE ONE THAT BROUGHT US TO BIRTH. HE IS THE ONE THAT PUT HIS SEED IN US.

SO SEE WHAT MAN DID? HE So man picked up that first man ADAM. = Jesus and SAID he was God thus reviving that lie that old head the deadly wound THAT was healed.

JESUS DIED AND TOOK THAT LIE INTO HELL, THUS KILLING THAT LIE .

SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING? THEY REVIVED IT BY SAYING THAT JESUS WAS GOD BEFORE THE RESSURECTION.

SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING? THEY ARE SAYING THE SAME LIE THAT ADAM WAS.

THAT THE HUMAN FLESH ( JESUS) IS GOD. WHEN JESUS SAID HIMSELF -----

LUKE 24:39 39. Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

JESUS BECAME MAN OF SIN IN ORDER TO DO AWAY WITH THE MAN OF SATAN= WHICH WAS THE MAN OF SIN= HUMANITY= WHICH WAS THE FIRST MAN ADAM.

I HOPE THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THIS. BECAUSE IT IS WRITTEN.

1 Cor 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

( Jesus sowed that old corrupted ADAM THE FLESHLY MAN WHEN HE DIED AND WENT INTO HELL. But it was made to be INCORRUPTION THE DAY OF THE RESURRECTION.)

15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: ( ( THAT FIRST MAN ADAM WHICH WAS A DISHONOUR TO GOD WAS THE FLESHLY MAN, THE FIRST MAN ADAM. I HAD MORE HERE BUT DECIDED AGAINST IT AFTER I HAD WRITTEN IT DOWN BECAUSE AS PAUL I DID NOT KNOW WHETHER YOU COULD TAKE WHAT I HAD AT THIS TIME.

2Co 13:4 - For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.

Ro 1:4 - And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: ( SEE THE POWER CAME WHEN JESUS WAS DECLARED TO BE THE SON OF GOD. THIS IS WHEN HE IS KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. BUT THIS DID NOT COME TILL AFTER THE RESURRECTION.

15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.( SEE I TOLD YOU IT IS WRITTEN, NOW PAUL IS ALSO SAYING THE SAME THING. HOW CAN ANYONE SAY WHAT I AM SAYING IS NOT TRUTH WHEN PAUL SAYS THE SAME?

15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. ( THE FIRST MAN (ADAM )WAS JESUS WHEN HE WAS HERE ON THIS EARTH, THE SECOND MAN ADAM IS WHERE JESUS IS RIGHT NOW. HE IS OUR Lord. IS NOT WHAT THIS SCRIPTURE SAYS. BUT ALL OF THIS WAS AFTER THE RESURRECTION.

BUT AS I SAID BEFORE JESUS WAS NOT AND IS NOT AND NEVER WILL BE ALMIGHTY GOD. He is the SON OF GOD.

From: joie

Sent: 6/24/2003 6:46 PM

That is a truthful and wonderful message, Isaiah. God has mightly blessed you and given you an understanding of His truth. Now I had also copied this part of my message to show to Tom and saw that you had it also:

39. Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Tom you said that God has a body. Now I ask you where did you get that? Please show me a Scripture which says that. Above here is JESUS' own words that a spirit has not flesh and bones. If God, which is a Spirit does have a body, what kind of body is it? For he could not have any flesh or bones. Jesus said so.

You seem to have a misguided understanding of what a spirit is. A spirit is NOT something imaginary floating around in space. where did you get that? Someone is teaching you lies.

Read in Hebrews. It teaches that angels are spirits and that they are a higher form of life than mankind. They are greater in might and power than a man. They are not imaginary something floating around in space. Neither are the devils. Did you forget that God ALSO inhabits other's bodies? Is he not in us? Did he not dwell inside Jesus? The Word said that GOD WAS IN CHRIST.

As you said, devils are spirits; but do you think they are imaginary something floating around in space? Of course not. They are in control of all this terrible trouble in this world.

You cannot try to explain Scripture. You will come up wrong everytime. The only way a truth can be taught and stay true with the Word is to show where IT IS WRITTEN.

IF IT IS NOT WRITTEN IN THE BOOK, IT IS A LIE.

SO SHOW US WHERE IT IS WRITTEN THAT GOD HAS A BODY. I WANT TO SEE THAT. JESUS WAS MADE A QUICKENING SPIRIT, BECAUSE HE WAS MADE TO BE OUR GOD. HE WAS MADE ONE WITH THE GOD OR SPIRIT KINGDOM OF THE FATHER.

THE FATHER IS A SPIRIT. THE FATHER IS A WHOLE KINGDOM OF SPIRIT.

THE SON IS A MAN. THE SON IS A WHOLE KINGDOM OF MAN.

CAN'T YOU ALL SEE THAT? GOD SET JESUS ON HIS OWN THRONE, THIS MEANS HE SET JESUS, A MAN, THERE TO RULE WITH THE SPIRITS. THIS IS HOW JESUS WAS MADE A QUICKENING SPIRIT = HE WAS GIVEN THE GOD-POWER. HE CAN NOW QUICKEN US. BUT HE IS STILL A MAN, NOT A SPIRIT.

From: Isaiah

Sent: 6/25/2003 2:26 PM

There is no spirit that can create.( Tom)

Tom are you saying that God is not a spirit? You have me confused. You say one thing did you turn around and then say another.

You ( Tom) say that God is a spirit,and you remember it said God, before it said spirit.

Then you say God created, then you say a spirit can not create. Whose rum bottle you been in?
You say he is a man when

Nu 23:19 - God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man,
that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
John 4:24 -God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit
and in truth.

Ge 1:1 - In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Col 1:16 -- For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Jer 31:22 -

How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? for the LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man.

From: joie

Sent: 6/27/2003 1:27 AM

The Word says God is invisible.

Col. 1: 12. Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13. Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14. In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

15. Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16. For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

See that they created an invisible world as well as a visible world? The visible world is ours = flesh. man.

The invisible is God's; spirits.

Thank you all for this very clear and truthful study on the real nature of God. I see so many on other sites who just seem to tear God apart and strip him down to almost nothing. and then I wonder, are they not afraid to teach such things without studying and finding the truth?

It seems they have no fear to say the wrong things I find. I certainly do see that you have full Scripture proof of what you are teaching here. I find it very informing and clear to my understanding.

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