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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 3/22/2007 5:13 PM
From: joie  (Original Message) Sent: 9/29/2003 4:56 PM
 

~~ Name or Title? ~~

There are many who mistakenly think that Jesus is the name of the Father. They think this is the name of the God of the O.T. They say that all the others words given for people to call God by are ‘just titles�?/FONT>. But, is there any Scripture to support such a teaching? I ask anyone who teaches or believes this, to find just one Scripture saying this.

I will give many Scriptures showing that God went by many different NAMES. But first I want to show you by the Strong’s Concordance, that the word ‘title�?is never used for these ‘names�?

The ONLY time the word ‘title�?is used in all of the O.T. writings is in 11kings 23:17. This refers to the tomb of the Man of God, which went down from Judah and prophesied at Bethel.

There are only two references to the word title in the N.T. This is John 19:19, 20. This refers to the title Pilate wrote over Jesus on the cross.

The word is used in the plural only two times. In Job 32: 21, 22--where it speaks against giving flattering titles unto men.

I say before people go teaching others such things, they should take the time to do some studying of the Word. If the word ‘title�?is never referred to as something God was called by, who gave men the right to bring up such a teaching? I think it very ironic that those who lift themselves up as holding only to the KJV, are the very ones who bring up teaching not spoken in the KJV.

Exodus 3:14--And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

V15--And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is MY NAME for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

Now, I ask you, did God say This is only a title of mine? No!!!! He said this is NAME. Who do you believe?

Exodus 6:3---And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the NAME of God Almighty, but by my NAME JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

Here God spoke of two more NAMES he revealed himself by: God Almighty and Jehovah. He did NOT say these are titles; he said these are my name.

Exodus 15:3---The LORD is a man of war; the LORD is his NAME. (Once again, it said NAME, not title).

Exodus 34:14---For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is JEALOUS, is a jealous God.

Here he said his name is Jealous---it used a Capital letter--showing a proper name. When the adjective, jealous is used to describe him, it uses a small J.

Who are you to say God did not mean what He said? He said Jealous was his NAME, NOT A TITLE.

11Chor. 7:14--If my people, which are called by my NAME, shall humble themselves, and pray....

Here God said his people were called by His Name; so what were they called? Israel. So--Israel was God’s name. He only let Jacob go by His Name.

`Psm 68:4--Here we are told to extol God by his name JAH. It did not say his title, jah.

Psm. 83:18--That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, are the most high over all the earth.

See he only has the NAME OF JEHOVAH.

And one verse the Jesus only people like to distort and misuse:

Isa. 42:8---I am the LORD; that is my NAME; and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

See, this says LORD is his NAME; did not say his title.

Isa. 47:4--As for our redeemer, the LORD of hosts is his name, the Holy one of Israel.

Isa. 51:15--But I am the LORD thy God, that divided the sea, whose waves roared: The LORD of hosts is his NAME.

Two verses saying the Lord of hosts is his NAME.

Isa. 54:5---For the Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his NAME...

Isa. 57:15---For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy;

This capital H in Holy makes it a proper name; not an adjective.

In another Scripture, He had told them at each place where he placed His name, he would appear to them.

Jer. 7: This and several others say that the temple at Jerusalem was called by His Name.

V10--And come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name--- So what did, they call the house?

V12--But go ye now unto my place which was in Shiloh, where I set my name at the first...

So, Shiloh was also His Name.

Jer. 14:9--..yet thou, O LORD, are in the midst of us, and we are called by thy name;---

So, what were they called? Israel.

Jer. 25:29--For, lo, I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name,---- this city is Jerusalem. So, Jerusalem was the NAME OF GOD.

I will give another Scripture showing this in Daniel.

18:...the city which is called by thy name...

v19---...O my God: for thy city and thy people are called by thy name.

So, Israel and Jerusalem were the NAME of God.

Jer. 31:35--....The LORD of hosts is his NAME.

Jer.. 32:18--...The Great, the Mighty God, the LORD of hosts is his NAME.

Jer. 46:18---As I live, saith the KING, WHOSE NAME IS THE LORD OF HOSTS...

Jer. 48:15---.... saith the King, whose name is the LORD of hosts.

Jer. 50:34--Their Redeemer is strong; the LORD of hosts is his NAME....

Jer. 51:19---....the LORD of hosts is his name.

Jer. 51:57-....saith the King, whose name is the LORD of hosts.

Amos 4:13--For, lo, he that formeth the mountains, and createth the wind,..... the LORD, The God of hosts, is his NAME.

Amos 5:27---....saith the LORD, whose NAME is The God of hosts.

v8--says The LORD is his NAME.

Amos 9:6--...The LORD is his name.

Zech. 6:12---Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD.

This prophecy is clearly speaking of Jesus. It says he is a MAN whose NAME is The BRANCH. It did not say his title is the Branch.

(I thought you believed in going by the KJV). What do you do with all these Scriptures? Say they are mistranslated?

Now, I ask those of you saying this, to show one Scripture where God or Jesus ever went by even ONE TITLE.

Jo Smith

 



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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 3/22/2007 5:24 PM
From: joie Sent: 9/29/2003 4:57 PM
Now I have given many Scriptures in this message proving that there is not even one verse saying that God ever went by even one title.
 
Yet many say this is COMMON knowledge, that God, and Lord are titles of God.  So I have proven that the 'common knowledge' so many go by and stake their eternal salvation on, is completely FALSE.
 
And also I say that if this many Scriptures are false, then we may as well just burn them all up and forget it all and join the atheist who say there is no higher power than man.
 
But I can testify that God has made himself known and real to me by this Holy Book, the KJV.  I find it the most delightful and joyful thing in existance.  I need NO OTHER.
 
Let those who claim other books are better, bring forth this kind of clear, opening the understanding kind of messages proven out of their books.  I say it is not possible.
 
Jo


p.s. today, 3/22/07, God showed me that the name  JESUS  is used exclusively in the NT   because these are the days of the Son of Man. 

This is not the days in which God himself dealt with man.  God is now in his rest day.  Jesus is now ruling and reigning until he brings all his enemies down under HIS,  (Jesus's feet).  So all of you who do not wish for Jesus to rule over you, will be destroyed.

 

All of you who do not wish to now call Jesus your God, will be cut off by the very God you think you serve.  He said worship MY SON.  This is why all tongues will confess to the name of JESUS  AND BOW AT HIS FEET,  SAME AS WITH GOD.

You Jesus-only folks make havoc of the precious truth of God.

This is the days of the Son of Man.  Someday, you will all wish you could see one of the Grace days.  but it will be cut off for you.

I would not put this under the above message, except I will do good if msn sends this.

I will teach on this later,  if it gets better.  But for now I want to show you people that Lord God is NOT A TITLE OF GOD.

Father is not a title.  Son is not a title and certainly HOLY GHOST is not a title.  it is lies of man, trying to fit their false doctrine into the word of God.....and they CANNOT.

Now see how many of you can EAT THIS MEAT OF THE WORD.

Get off that 'baptism and who is Jesus' infant foundation and  GROW UP TO GET SOME DEEP MYSTERIES OF THE WORD.

 


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From: MSN NicknameAxs2-381Sent: 3/22/2007 7:04 PM
Get off that 'baptism and who is Jesus' infant foundation and  GROW UP TO GET SOME DEEP MYSTERIES OF THE WORD.( joie)
 
Joie, I agree, why should we have to keep on and on teaching about baptism. Paul stated====
 
 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 
 
Leaving, meaning, going on to something else.  Principals meaning the beginning. We must leave the the principles of the doctrine of Christ, or we will never be perfected, you will not grow into the full stature of Christ. We must leave the infant stage. We should not have to lay the foundation that was laid by the apostles.
 
Eph 4:13 - Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
 
Stature meaning adult age, maturity.  You need to to become fully developed and get out of the infant stage of milk and soft food and get into the meat of the word