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God and Jesus : The 'Other' God
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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551  (Original Message)Sent: 8/23/2007 2:46 AM

~~ The ‘Other�?God ~~

All that God does, He has shown it in the Old Testament, as types and shadows. He does all things in the mouth of two or three witnesses.

This message is a great astonishment to people who have not studied deep into the Word of God. I told this to someone on the internet a few years back. They disputed this at first. But when I posted this Scripture, In Exodus seven, they said, I was unaware of that Scripture. Now that is the problem with most of the misunderstandings among people concerning truth�?they do not really study the Word enough to know what it truly does say. Therefore, they are without excuse.

But God does teach those of us who seek and search and study as commanded by Jesus. He does instruct us and send us to try to help others find truth. If they refuse, then they are without excuse.

Let me show you something here. Ex 7:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. Ex 7:2 Thou shalt speak all that I command thee: and Aaron thy brother shall speak unto Pharaoh, that he send the children of Israel out of his land.

God said to Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh. Aaron shall be thy prophet. See, God not only made Moses a god, but also gave this god, Moses, a prophet. He said all that I command thee, you shall speak. So Moses was speaking God’s word. He spoke what God commanded him to speak. So it was God’s word telling Pharaoh to let my people go. It was God telling Pharaoh I will send flies upon you, etc.

Now watch: De 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto thee; unto him ye shall hearken;

De 18:16 According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.

De 18:17 And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.

De 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

De 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

Here God, the Father, was speaking to Moses, the one he had made god to Pharaoh. He is speaking to this �?I>other god�?/I>. He told this other god, I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

Here God told Moses, I will raise them up a Prophet, from among their brethren, like unto thee. Like unto Moses. A Man, yet a god, and a prophet, who was speaking words which God had commanded him to speak. Moses was not really God. He was a full human being. So when God said, this prophet, that I will raise up, will be from among the brethren, like unto you, he was showing that Jesus would be fully human, like Moses. He would be of the brethren, or human beings. He was not God. He was a man, whom God made to be God and a prophet.

He passes on the same words to this other prophet, I will put MY words into his mouth, and he shall speak all that I shall COMMAND HIM.

So here God has made two earthly men to be god and prophets, and he has put his words into their mouths and they are speaking words which were commanded to them by God. If he said to Moses, I will raise them up a prophet, LIKE UNTO YOU…then this includes the fact that God had made Moses to be god to Pharaoh. They both were speaking only what God had commanded them to speak. So both of these men, Moses and Jesus, were speaking God’s word, not their own word. Jesus verified this when he said, the words I speak are not my own, but the Father’s who sent me. He sent Jesus to the world, just as he sent Moses to Pharaoh and Israel.

God does everything in the mouth of two or three witnesses. So here he bore witness with these two men, that he put his words into their mouths, and they spoke only what God commanded them to say. Not only this, but he made them both to be god. Where did God make Jesus to be god?

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Now there is proof that God made Jesus to be God also. This is the two witnesses that God made a human man to be God. Moses is the OT verification of this fact, that God made a human man to be God.

Now here is another powerful example of the OT verification of how God works in the New Testament. This is also very disputed because people did not receive the Bread from Heaven, regularly enough to come into these deep revelations.

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Isa 7:15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.

Isa 7:16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings. Isa 7:17 The LORD shall bring upon thee, and upon thy people, and upon thy father's house, days that have not come from the day that Ephraim departed from Judah; even the king of Assyria.

Here is a prophecy of a virgin born son. But notice that it said before this child shall know to refuse the evil and choose the good, the land that Ahaz hated would be forsaken of both her kings. Then he said he was speaking of the king of Assyria coming against them. That happened in Ahaz’s day. So, who was this virgin born son?

Isa 8:1 Moreover the LORD said unto me, Take thee a great roll, and write in it with a man's pen concerning Mahershalalhashbaz.

Isa 8:2 And I took unto me faithful witnesses to record, Uriah the priest, and Zechariah the son of Jeberechiah.

Isa 8:3 And I went unto the prophetess; and she conceived, and bare a son. Then said the LORD to me, Call his name Mahershalalhashbaz.

Isa 8:4 For before the child shall have knowledge to cry, My father, and my mother, the riches of Damascus and the spoil of Samaria shall be taken away before the king of Assyria.

Isa 8:5 The LORD spake also unto me again, saying,

Isa 8:6 Forasmuch as this people refuseth the waters of Shiloah that go softly, and rejoice in Rezin and Remaliah's son;

Isa 8:7 Now therefore, behold, the Lord bringeth up upon them the waters of the river, strong and many, even the king of Assyria, and all his glory: and he shall come up over all his channels, and go over all his banks:

Isa 8:8 And he shall pass through Judah; he shall overflow and go over, he shall reach even to the neck; and the stretching out of his wings shall fill the breadth of thy land, O Immanuel. (This Assyrian king did not pass through the land at the time of Jesus�?birth. It was at the birth of Mahershalalhashbaz). So see that Mahershalalhashbaz was called Immanuel!

Isaiah took faithful witnesses to record the conception and birth of this child, Mahershalalhashbaz. Notice verse four, same words as in Isa. 7, before this child shall have knowledge to cry, My Father and my Mother, both Damascus and Samaria, (those two countries Ahaz hated,) would be taken away before the king of Assyria. See, the very same words spoken in Isa seven. So this is the virgin born son which was prophesied about in chapter seven. It is the very same words! How could you read this and not see it? Only blindness of heart could cause you to fail to see this.

You think it would be denying the virgin birth of Jesus? Well, not at all. In fact it is very necessary to have this OT type for the verifying witness. This child, Mahershalalhashbaz, is being used in exactly the same way that Moses was used to show that God would make Jesus to be God. It takes an OT type to verify all things. There must be at least two witnesses and all things were shown in those twelve tribes of Israel. So the birth of this virgin born son was absolutely necessary, for the virgin birth of Jesus to be true.

It also proves that Jesus was not God himself, but was made to be God by His God and His Father, just as this same God made Moses to be a god and Aaron to be his prophet. May God bless your heart with understanding.

By: Jo Smith�?August 22, 2007

 



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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/10/2007 9:25 PM
(I am cleaning up some of the back pages;  gettting rid of some of the 'junk'.  = those who tried to smeer this group and the work of God that we do.  But I am saving some of my answers to them, as it is good teaching.)

From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 5/23/2007 8:05 PM
Hi Anne,
 
I am afraid that I do not quite understand what you are really trying to say.
 
But I do understand that you are concerned about what the foundation is.
 
Yes, the verse you gave is certainly true and certainly shows what the foundation is.........but........
 
See, that one verse,  all alone........does not actually give one a complete and 'right' understanding.
 
If it did, then everyone would have it,  right?  After all they know that verse,  I assume.  But see, Scripture must interpret Scripture.  No verse stands alone to be understood.
 
See, there are so many variations,  (coming from man of course,)  as to who Jesus Christ is.
 
See, almost 100% of all 'christians'  believe that Jesus is God in human flesh.  They all believe that God came down from heaven,  and put himself into Mary's womb,  hence,  the INCARNATION lie.
 
Every church preaches that Jesus was God, robed in human flesh.  They can still quote 1Cor 3:11.  But see that they are adding false interpretation as to who Jesus is.
 
Some churches teach that Jesus is God, and the ONLY being in the Godhead.  or in other words,  God is just this 1 and only 1 person.  they claim this 1 person manifested himself in three 'offices'  or three titles, or  bla,bla.
 
Others claim that Jesus is the second person in a three-headed godhead.
 
but is any of that the true foundation upon which Jesus build his church?  Of course not.  why?  all that is lies.  none of the above is written or taught in Scripture.
 
So is that the foundation?  nope.  almost the entire world, which claims to believe in Jesus,  says that he was born on Dec. 25, and therefore must have a birthday celebration on this date each year.  Then they bring up an easter thinggie to 'celebrate' his resurrection. 
Is that the Jesus of the Word of God?  No.  It most certainly is NOT.  That is the false jesus, or the other jesus Paul told us they would bring up.  It is another gospel,   not the true gospel.
 
So is any of that the true foundation?  NO,  it is not.  So did that verse give you the true understanding of the true foundation?  If so,  why all this confusion of false doctrine?
 
So here is the revealing Scripture:
 
<NOBR>Mt 16:13</NOBR> When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
<NOBR>Mt 16:14</NOBR> And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
<NOBR>Mt 16:15</NOBR> He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
<NOBR>Mt 16:16</NOBR> And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
<NOBR>Mt 16:17</NOBR> And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
<NOBR>Mt 16:18</NOBR> And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
<NOBR>Mt 16:19</NOBR> And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
<NOBR>Mt 16:20</NOBR> Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

 
Notice, here Jesus told Peter that his revelation was the right one,  the right foundation, upon which He would build his TRUE Church.
He said that Peter received this right revelation from God, the father,  not from flesh and blood.
 
So in order to have the true foundation,  you must receive a revelation from God.  Have you?
 
I have.  If you have not,  hope this gives it to you.
 
Jesus first asked,  whom do MEN say that I  the Son of Man, am.  See he revealed something of the true Jesus here.  He is the Son of man.
 
Notice that Jesus never at any time claimed to be God.  Never.  He did not say,  who do men say that I,  God,  am....now did he?
 
But then he took it to them personally.  Whom do YOU,  Anne,  say that he is?
 
Peter had receive a revelation from God.  Have you?
 
Peter said,  you are the Christ, the Son   OF  the Living God.
 
Jesus verified that this is the right foundation.  But he proceeded to tell Peter who Peter is.  This is also part of the true foundation.  Jesus must know you.  He must call you by name.  He must put his spirit into you.  This is spiritual  KNOWING.  It brings forth a child of God, from you. So you need this as part of your personal foundation.  You must build a spiritual house yourself.
 
Jesus called this revelation a ROCK.  Upon this ROCK  I will build my Church.  Everything which is TRUE must start at this point.
 
All true doctrine rests upon this revelation.  If the foundation is wrong,   =  Jeuss is God.  Jesus is god robed in flesh,  jesus is second person.,  jesus is the only god.......etc.  all of this is false foundation.  any other revelation built on these doctrines of men,  are on sand,  and will   CRUMBLY AND FALL.
 
Only the Church build upon the true foundation,    Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God,  will stand and be the true Church.
 
Only doctrine built on this truth will lead to more truth.  Every truth God ever showed me, depended upon this truth.  After I saw the truth of this,  and God began to teach me His Word,  I saw that all other teachings I had been given were wrong, and all truth depended upon getting this foundation truth RIGHT.
 
If you do not have this concept of Christ right,  all your beliefs will be wrong.
 
Notice verse 20.  Think on this.  I am not going to get into it now.  I want you to think.  Why did Jesus charge them to tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ?
 
I must get ready for work again and do not have time now to do much. Had to work all day, and must go again tonight.
will have my grand kids tomorrow.  so time will be limited.  But I will get to you as much and as soon as possible.
 
Thanks for you interest and help here.  HOpe I can be of help to you.
 
Love to you,
Jo

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From: MSN NicknameFreeborn551Sent: 9/10/2007 9:26 PM
From: <NOBR>MSN NicknameFreeborn551</NOBR> Sent: 5/25/2007 3:22 PM
Anne:  But honestly Islam is sort of softballing it compared to this.
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Compared to What?
 
People need to come to realize that the young, and those who have not studied the Scriptures for many, many years,  may not be truely able to judge what is actually correct and what is not.  Especially since everyone has their ideas already set by the false teachers of our day.  How shall they know what God has given to those who have studied the word diligently,  nothing but the Word,  for more than half a century?  Do you really think that has merited me nothing?
 
You may not see that I have deep spiritual truths,  but the truth of it is that it is so deep you cannot begin to phantom it.  You are thinking that I am speaking of things from a fleshly, eartly standpoint.  I am most certainly NOT.
 
I have not met many folks in my entire lifetime of 68 years, who have even a slight spiritual mind.
Now that is the real problem with almost everyone....they have a carnal, earthly mind and cannot begin to understand spiritual things.  Oh, they 'think' they do,  but in reality spiritual things seems like heresy to them.  all of them.
 
Most people do not even think the Word of God is spiritual and must be spiritually discerned.  Yet the Word itself tells us this.
 
When I speak of Jesus being  'female'  to God,  this is totally spiritual.  It is NOT fleshly.  I have told you that I KNOW  that Jesus was a fleshly MAN.  so why do you still think I am trying to confuse the thing of men and women?  Because you cannot begin to understand what I am really talking about.  Godly women need to stay as Godly women  = dressing as God said,  wearing long, covering hair, as God said,   conducting themselves in a Holy Manner.
I have lost memebers here when I taught these things  = women in dresses,  not in pants, etc.
Now painted up as Jezebells,  not cut off hair, in total defiance to God.
 
See Women should stay as women,  but it is fleshly.  True it is spirit unto God, but it is still for us as a woman's body.
In Christ there is neither male, nor female.  but that is totally spiritual.......meaning women,  who have the Holy Ghost, can and should do any and everything men who have the Holy Ghost can and should do, in the spiritual work.
This is why saying Christian women cannot preach, teach, pastor and such is ignorance of the truth.
 
BUT in the flesh,  we still have the babies.  etc.  I am not referring to our roles in this life AT ALL.  If you cannot get you mind off the human body, and into the spirit, you will never, never understand God's truth.
 
but you have  shown a good spirit through all of this.  Now if you could just get to accepting that perhaps God has shown me some much deeper revelation than most others have, then you could begin to get some truth.  (not because it is me,  but because I have shown you some great mysteries of God.  Now your not believing it, or being able to see it,  DOES NOT CHANGE IT ONE BIT.  NOR DOES IT DIMINISH MY UNDERSTAND ONE SINGLE BIT.  MANY PEOPLE HAVE BACK-LASHED ME OVER THESE THINGS.  BUT I AM STILL GOING STRONG WITH GOD,  AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO.
 
See, It matters not one bit to me if every person on earth rises up and tells me that I do not have the truth.  It will not change the FACT that God has given me truth which the church world knows nothing about.
 
I prove it with written Scripture.  saying exactly what I am saying.  not adding to it.  not taking away from it.  not changing it.
 
But believing the lies of man causes the people to be  blinded and they cannot see truth when it is presented.
 
To us,  Jesus is MALE.  But again, it is totally spiritual.  it is not fleshly.  Jesus is not now fleshly.  He is second man Adam, which was made a quicking spirit.
 
But in the human flesh,  Jesus was a man....but to God, he had to be as a female,,, =  allowing God to put God's seed into Him, Jesus,  to bring forth that begotten son of God.
 
Now neither you nor all the people in this world can change this SPIRITUAL TRUTH.
 
Do you believe or know  that Jesus is the head of the body?  The body is Christ?  the body in His true Church?  His true church is his bride?  Then this true Church, together with her head,  as one body,  is the wife of God?
 
Then this makes Jesus part of the spiritual woman,  =  the wife of God.  If the church is called a woman,  (and it is)  then Jesus is the HEAD of this church,  he is part of this woman.  why is that so hard for you to see?
 
But to Jesus,  we are the wife.  He is our husband.  He is our Father.  He is our brother.  now that makes three 'male'  roles.
 
He is our everything.  He is all we need.  He is it.  But he does not ever lift himself up above God, His Head, and His Father, and his God.
 
If a person cannot see these spiritual truths,  they need to seek God to give them the Holy Ghost, which will lead you and guide you into all truth.
 
Know what most people do,  what they call studying?  Just read their words.......they study or claim they study  commentaries,  history books,  this man's literature,  that man's literatrue,  this, that, and the other.....anything but the word of God....know what they are doing?....they are searching to see which lie of man suites their own false ideas the most!!!!
 
Jo